I started this thread in political area because since its mine, you people will probably make an argument out of it, which I don’t understand since I’m so friendly, accommodating and quite opposed to conflict.

Anyway.
I was in line at the Wendy’s tonight getting a taco salad, and it occurred to me that some people are born with honor, and others acquire it young.

So the question is: What is honor? And can someone that has been lacking in honor achieve it?

I was in line at the Wendy’s tonight . . . . . .

Blimey! this Wendy girl is popular if people queue up for her:eek: :rolleyes:

Col

Blimey! this Wendy girl is popular if people queue up for her:eek: :rolleyes:

Col
It's certainly not for her cooking skills :rolleyes:

I have an honor of 52 on America's Army... but I had to work hard for it... and I still suck!!

I did a Google search on Wendy's as I'd never heard of it.

It said [Wendy's]Operate a chain of 6000 restaurants worldwide

so I looked at the website and clicked on "countries" to see where they were and the only options are the USA and Canada:rolleyes:

Its obviously run by people who have no idea there are other countries in the world :rolleyes: - remind me again how many countries participate in the "World Series"?

Col

I did a Google search on Wendy's as I'd never heard of it.
You're not missing much. It's basically another McDonald's but the quality is better. The hamburgers, though, are actually worse for you.

remind me again how many countries participate in the "World Series"?
Two. Unless you consider the fact that all the best players from the entire world come to play in the U.S. league, even from Japan, which is the only other country that actually gives baseball serious attention.

To answer your question, Joe, I would define honor (yeah, I know, I'm actually not looking it up for once) as believing in an ideal that influences you to act in a self-sacrificing manner. For example, a person with honor believes in keeping his or her word, so that person will abide by an agreement even if breaking it would be more advantageous.

Can someone without honor achieve it? Sure, at it takes is a belief change. Of course, that can be very rare and/or very difficult.

As believing in an ideal that influences you to act in a self-sacrificing manner.
OK Kraj, I am just playing devil's advocate here is all.
So in your version of Honor, it could be said those guys that shot and killed abortion clinc doctors to save the lives of the babies while scraficing their freedom, did an honorable act?
:rolleyes:

I started this thread in political area because since its mine, you people will probably make an argument out of it, which I don’t understand since I’m so friendly, accommodating and quite opposed to conflict.

Anyway.
I was in line at the Wendy’s tonight getting a taco salad, and it occurred to me that some people are born with honor, and others acquire it young.

So the question is: What is honor? And can someone that has been lacking in honor achieve it?

To me honor is born and or taught. If you are raised around someone who is honorable then you could possibly learn to be honorable. Some people are just naturally honorable. It is their nature and/or personality.

To me honor is:
doing exactly as you say you are,
having and maintianing loyality (to a fault),
honesty,
living as you believe (not how others think you should live),
trust worthy, and
neither good nor evil.

As for someone without honor achieving it in the future, Why not? If the person has the will to change, then I feel they can change. I am not sure you can force honor on someone. They can appear to be, but deep down they are only acting as they are being forced to. Therefore, according to my list, I feel they are not truly honorable.

Honor is a state of being.

You're not missing much. It's basically another McDonald's but the quality is better. The hamburgers, though, are actually worse for you.
Ok thanks, I'm fairly sure we haven't got them in the UK.


Two. Unless you consider the fact that all the best players from the entire world come to play in the U.S. league, even from Japan, which is the only other country that actually gives baseball serious attention.
Which two play then? USA and Canada? I think having a few foreign players doesn't really qualify it as being a "world" series - you're stretching it a bit there Kraj.:rolleyes:

I just thought it funny that Wendy's quote 6000 outlets "worldwide" yet only list Canada and USA as the countries that have them. It just gives the impression that Wendy's management think the "world" comprises of the USA and Canada

Col

I just thought it funny that Wendy's quote 6000 outlets "worldwide" yet only list Canada and USA as the countries that have them. It just gives the impression that Wendy's management think the "world" comprises of the USA and Canada

Col

Well Col, World Wide sounds better than Hemispheric wide.

There are Wendy's in Japan, so I'm sure they exist in other countries too, they just might not list them on their website. Maybe they have different websites for other languages? :confused:

Well Col, World Wide sounds better than Hemispheric wide.
Yes but its misleading;) in fact, they could be sued because its not true. It gives one the impression they are so popular they have outlets in every country.

Perhaps I should email Wendy's and ask them for a list of countries that they have outlets in - maybe they haven't updated their website yet.

Maybe I should just go home:D ;) its 4pm here

Col

Honour??? You guys couldn't even spell it ;-)

Wendy's is where you get a free finger in your chilli...

Yes but its misleading;) in fact, they could be sued because its not true.

Gawd, not another one who loves to sue everyone and everything. :rolleyes:


Maybe I should just go home:D ;) its 4pm here

Brat!! you love to rub it in don'tcha *THWACK*

Honour??? You guys couldn't even spell it ;-)

Wendy's is where you get a free finger in your chilli...
oh yes, thats gross, I saw the case on TV the other night, not going to Wendy's then (if we had any)

Col

Which two play then? USA and Canada? I think having a few foreign players doesn't really qualify it as being a "world" series - you're stretching it a bit there Kraj.:rolleyes:
I agree. I didn't name the thing...

oh yes, thats gross, I saw the case on TV the other night, not going to Wendy's then (if we had any)

Col
Good thing you've got that good ol' uncensored media over there. Did they happen to report the part where the proved she had brought the severed finger in and put it into the chilli herself?

I knew that woman was full of it from the beginning; my first job was at a Wendy's, I know how the chilli is made and the possibility that a severed finger would make its way into the batch is assinine.

OK Kraj, I am just playing devil's advocate here is all.
So in your version of Honor, it could be said those guys that shot and killed abortion clinc doctors to save the lives of the babies while scraficing their freedom, did an honorable act?
:rolleyes:
Well, I imagine in their mind it was. I don't consider it honorable, but I don't believe in the ideal they do. Nor do I consider an act of murder to be self-sacrificing, whether or not you happen to die in the process.

Honour??? You guys couldn't even spell it ;-)

Wendy's is where you get a free finger in your chilli...

Still posting on my threads, ay?

Still posting on my threads, ay?
of course, it's written in our constitution that we can and thus we will. I do note that we still have to keep on correcting your mistakes :cool:

of course, it's written in our constitution that we can and thus we will. I do note that we still have to keep on correcting your mistakes :cool:

It's just that the monkey man brags about having me on his ignor list.

It's just that the monkey man brags about having me on his ignor list.
that's ignore by the way :D you could do the same, anyway he works for local GOVERNMENT:mad: :D

Did they happen to report the part where the proved she had brought the severed finger in and put it into the chilli herself?


Yes, but then if she didn't live in a sue all country she'd have had no incentive in the first place, would she? :cool:

that's ignore by the way :D you could do the same, anyway he works for local GOVERNMENT:mad: :D


The thing is Rich,
Once people close off their mind to any input that is contradictory to their beliefs; their intellect dies.

So for someone to brag about it, it’s just insane. So my raving is not so much at the ape man, as much as against all close mindedness.

A couple of days ago, I started writing a retort to something FoFa had misrepresented. I got tired of writing it and just quit and didn’t post it. A few hours later Kraj posted, what could have been a carbon copy of my original writings.

Next thing I know Monkey Face is phrasing Kraj for being a scholar. Now this is just wrong on 2 levels.
1. FoFa is the epitome of the brain washed republican supporter. As such our friend the monkeyphile should have put him on the ignore list.
2. Kraj and I have demonstrated on many occasions that we are very similar in our ideology and if I might be so bold, in intellect as well.

So put me on ignore, proof that you’re more interested in expounding than learning. Then congratulate others for thinking the same way I do.

It just pisses me off that’s all.

Anyway I’m going to continue to insult him behind his back until the coward turns around and fights.

Good thing you've got that good ol' uncensored media over there. Did they happen to report the part where the proved she had brought the severed finger in and put it into the chilli herself?


Yeah, sorry that was me being flippant. The news report I saw was of the end of the court case, and it was clearly stated that her husband had actually bought the finger (for $100) from a colleague who had lost it in an accident.

I actually do feel for American restaurant chains; there are so many urban myths perpetuated. My favourite one is the nonsense about KFC not actually being whole chickens, but some sort of genetically engineered chicken torso...

Originally Posted by jsanders
It's just that the monkey man brags about having me on his ignor list.


Bragged??? I may have mentioned it once. Clearly you are more interested in argument rather discussion. I have much better things to do with my time. You started threads with a completely unacceptable tone for me, so much so I never want to hear anything you say again. Deal with it and I may come to respect you. You certainly won't get any respect by attempting to bait me.


anyway he works for local GOVERNMENT


LOL Not jealous are we now Rich? Believe me if you saw me fighting the gravy train you would be applauding me! ;-)

LOL Not jealous are we now Rich?

No, I couldn't cope with all those holidays, early retirement, generous pension, fringe benefits, etc :mad: :D

No, I couldn't cope with all those holidays,

Holidays are good. Not quite as good as my sister, who is a teacher, but still good. We also have a flexitime system where you can accumulate a day and a half leave for every four week period.

early retirement, generous pension,

I'm afraid you are behind the times there Rich, these are a thing of the past. Take a look at the news, both these are rapidly disappearing.

fringe benefits,

I can join Costco, and I get a 15% discount on a bus pass... other than that there's nothing else I can think of. Do let me know though, I'll be right onto it! ;-)

I won't argue I'm not mad...

I'm afraid you are behind the times there Rich, these are a thing of the past. Take a look at the news, both these are rapidly disappearing.
...

They haven't gone yet though, and in any case Tony's going to stamp out retirement for all of us.
Wish he'd hurry up and f......g retire:mad:

The thing is Rich,
Once people close off their mind to any input that is contradictory to their beliefs; their intellect dies.

So for someone to brag about it, it’s just insane. So my raving is not so much at the ape man, as much as against all close mindedness.

A couple of days ago, I started writing a retort to something FoFa had misrepresented. I got tired of writing it and just quit and didn’t post it. A few hours later Kraj posted, what could have been a carbon copy of my original writings.

Next thing I know Monkey Face is phrasing Kraj for being a scholar. Now this is just wrong on 2 levels.
1. FoFa is the epitome of the brain washed republican supporter. As such our friend the monkeyphile should have put him on the ignore list.
2. Kraj and I have demonstrated on many occasions that we are very similar in our ideology and if I might be so bold, in intellect as well.

So put me on ignore, proof that you’re more interested in expounding than learning. Then congratulate others for thinking the same way I do.

It just pisses me off that’s all.

Anyway I’m going to continue to insult him behind his back until the coward turns around and fights.

jsanders:

As predicted, once I posted enough answers in response to their irreverence throughout the forum, their responses ALWAYS keyed back on blanket statements and excuses. MANY users here have noticed this pattern as well because it is a pattern of genuine thought and feeling but by the same token, not at all what any group of people would agree upon. Just this little gang of sorts that exists here so, don't key on that or them anymore...

Their comments further support that none of these people have that "fire" in their bellies, that "stare" to perservere, or the tolerance for people in general, which is the most blatantly CLEAR aspect of all their postings and feelings on any subject, in order to be any kind of leader or role model here or elsewhere and that's okay because that may not be what they're on here for.

So these folks are simply happy and fully content on being...themselves and to me, therein lies the justice and justicification so I welcome their responses because it just underlines the moral majority of people out there "doing" instead of constantly talking, and talking, and on and on...judging, hating, and ignoring, all to their detriment.

Ignore me, share your thoughts, close your mind off, or leave it open, it doesn't matter because I'll focus either way and share what I can to help or simply rebuke irreverence!

It's all about LIFE EXPERIENCE here and sharing thoughts and ideas and for some, just a place to point fingers, accuse, argue for the sake of arguing, and expressing angst.

Hopefully, they are all content in their own ways but you'd at least think they should also know that people with that "fire", "stare", and tolerance for all people will always keep moving forward because that's what we do! :cool:

Eh? :confused:

Eh? :confused:

We used to have jargon generators in the 70s so that you could write meaningless but high sounding sentences, GML has gone one better, he has a rant generator.:D

Brian

maybe it has something to do with honour...

Its obviously run by people who have no idea there are other countries in the world :rolleyes: - remind me again how many countries participate in the "World Series"?

Col

Actually, the "World" Series was invented for the championship of American baseball by the now defunct New York World newspaper.
The name stuck.

I did a Google search on Wendy's as I'd never heard of it.

It said

so I looked at the website and clicked on "countries" to see where they were and the only options are the USA and Canada:rolleyes:


Col

Last time I checked, Canada was an independant country. That qualifies as "worldwide" if just barely.

I am sure there used to be a Wendys in Richmond.. (about 5 years ago), it is gone now..

Aside from the United States, Wendy's has opened restaurants in Aruba, Canada, Cayman Islands, El Salvador, Greece, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Jamaica, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Panama, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Wendy's just opened in Costa Rica. Wendy's Old Fashioned Hamburgers didn't last long in Australia nor in Colombia. Nine restaurants were picked up in Victoria by Hungry Jack's in 1986 after the Wendy's Hamburger Chain went bust. The Hungry Jack's Story explains in limited detail about the Wendy's Hamburgers acquisition. Stores in Australia called Wendy's are an Australian ice cream franchise which is unrelated to the American hamburger chain (stores for both are found in New Zealand. See Wendy's (Australia). Wendy's restaurants closed in Greece in 2002 after almost 8 years of operation due to heavy competition from other restaurants such as Goody's and McDonald's. Wendy's also had locations in major cities across the United Kingdom; these were sold to McDonald's in 1999. Wendy's also had 18 restaurants in Argentina. All of them were closed in November 2000. Wendy's had been in the local market for four years and made the decision due to the poor performance of its restaurants

From Wikipedia... Seems it was once worldwide..

We used to have jargon generators in the 70s so that you could write meaningless but high sounding sentences, GML has gone one better, he has a rant generator.:D

Brian

Thanks for the confirmation! I could set my watch by any one of you guys but why bother, you're even more predictable!?#?$?!:D :p :rolleyes:

Thanks for the confirmation! I could set my watch by any one of you guys but why bother, you're even more predictable!?#?$?!:D :p :rolleyes:

GMLWORLDCHUMP - what is with this "them and us" attitude! You are very confusing.

GMLWORLDCHUMP - what is with this "them and us" attitude! You are very confusing.

He wont answer a direct and polite question, he has been asked by Kenny what GML stands for, by COl what the !?#?$?! he frequently uses is all about, and what he is worldchamp at, but all to no avail, you just get meaningless drivel back.

Brian

He wont answer a direct and polite question, he has been asked by Kenny what GML stands for, by COl what the !?#?$?! he frequently uses is all about, and what he is worldchamp at, but all to no avail, you just get meaningless drivel back.

Brian

I understood that we where not qualified to question his sporting prowess

I understood that we where not qualified to question his sporting prowess
That would depend on if you classed golf as a sport, surely?:D

That would depend on if you classed golf as a sport, surely?:D
Crickey its Tiger on our forum:p

Brian

Crickey its Tiger on our forum:p

Brian
I thought he bred birdies, i.e. Eagles:confused:

GMLWORLDCHUMP - what is with this "them and us" attitude! You are very confusing.

You guys are great!

I'll be sure to set aside some candy for you all come Halloween since you guys are ALWAYS in costume!...oh yeah, !?#?$??!...

That's "cartoon-ease" for cussing because you guys all remind me and many, many others here of cartoon characters!:D

To get back to the original topic.

I remember hearing a story about an officer during the battle of Waterloo. He was in charge of some canons, He saw a canon on the opposite site fire at hi position, realising that he was about to be killed by the cannon ball he decided the most honourable thing to do was stand to attention and salute and die like an officer, which is what he did as he watched the cannon ball hurtle towards him. The ball landed one meter to his site killing six of his men.

To get back to the original topic.

I remember hearing a story about an officer during the battle of Waterloo. He was in charge of some canons, He saw a canon on the opposite site fire at hi position, realising that he was about to be killed by the cannon ball he decided the most honourable thing to do was stand to attention and salute and die like an officer, which is what he did as he watched the cannon ball hurtle towards him. The ball landed one meter to his site killing six of his men.
Yeah. . . . . .go on. . . . . . whats the punchline:confused:

or is it supposed to be true? if so, a cannonball landing 1 metre to his "site" or side? would kill him also - wouldn't it? also if he had time to think of all these things, why didn't he get out the way a bit sharpish?

your point being?. . . . . . . .how much of a tit this geezer is?

Col

Yeah. . . . . .go on. . . . . . whats the punchline:confused:

or is it supposed to be true? if so, a cannonball landing 1 metre to his "site" or side? would kill him also - wouldn't it? also if he had time to think of all these things, why didn't he get out the way a bit sharpish?

your point being?. . . . . . . .how much of a tit this geezer is?

Col

The point was that he chose to die with honour (his version) rather than get out of the way, and hif he had moved to the side he would have prob have been killed.

It is meant to be true.

I presume with a cannon ball it does not explode, if it landed beside you, you would be ok

he has been asked by Kenny what GML stands for, ...
My best guess is "Gloria Mathews, Ltd", which is a company in Omaha that does commercial printing and also has a sports collectibles and equipment division. I'm guessing the company sponsors some sort of golf championship which GMLWORLDCHAMP either has won or fancies himself a winner of one day.

I have to be careful in case I am asked was MSP stands for. (In truth it was just three random letters) and I am not a Member of the Scottish Parliament.

I have to be careful in case I am asked was MSP stands for. (In truth it was just three random letters) and I am not a Member of the Scottish Parliament.

Makes Silly Pronouncements

;) :D sorry couldn't resist it

Brian

My best guess is "Gloria Mathews, Ltd", which is a company in Omaha that does commercial printing and also has a sports collectibles and equipment division. I'm guessing the company sponsors some sort of golf championship which GMLWORLDCHAMP either has won or fancies himself a winner of one day.
so where is Gloria this afternoon? off trying to think up more instances of how the US has stopped us from speaking German I s'pose:rolleyes:

Actually I was wondering if his name was Mike:eek: :eek: (Gloria's - not MSP)

Col

Wendy's Old Fashioned Hamburgers didn't last long in Australia nor in Colombia. Nine restaurants were picked up in Victoria by Hungry Jack's in 1986 after the Wendy's Hamburger Chain went bust. The Hungry Jack's Story explains in limited detail about the Wendy's Hamburgers acquisition. Stores in Australia called Wendy's are an Australian ice cream franchise which is unrelated to the American hamburger chain (stores for both are found in New Zealand. See Wendy's (Australia).
I didn't know we ever had Wendy's burgers here - maybe the 9 in Victoria was all they had. Wendy's icecream, on the other hand, are in every shopping centre...
and Hungry Jack's is just the local version of Burger King (though they now have both in Sydney and/or Melbourne)

so where is Gloria this afternoon? off trying to think up more instances of how the US has stopped us from speaking German I s'pose:rolleyes:

Actually I was wondering if his name was Mike:eek: :eek: (Gloria's - not MSP)

Col

Hey everyone...it's...Colin of Essex...(clap sign lights)...

Yeah Col...between you and Rich, he's still our favorite "cartoon" but you are a very close 2nd...very much like code for the bathroom; he's #1 and you're #2!:p

...so ends the lesson because that is by far, more clever than you two could ever hope to be!?#?$?!:p

To revert, rather boringly :D , to the original thread subject, I think honour is doing what you believe to be right regardless of the potential negative consequences to yourself or those around you: i.e. when it is not 'easy' to do the right thing.

Is this innate or acquired? Well, a bit of bit of both I think. There is a theory of moral development that has six stages. The highest stage, Principled Conscience, seems to me to be the same as acting honorably. If you follow this theory, then honour is definitely acquired.

It is a very interesting theory and can give an insight when we see reprehensible behaviour in others (or even ourselves :D ). It is quite often easy to spot where somebody 'stalled' on the path!

Kohlberg's classification can be outlined in the following manner:
Pre-conventional Level
Stage 1) Obedience and Punishment
Stage 2) Individualism, Instrumentalism, and Exchange

Conventional Level
Stage 3) "Good boy/girl"
Stage 4) Law and Order

Post-conventional
Stage 5) Social Contract
Stage 6) Principled Conscience

Google for more. Hope this wasn't to boring and was fairly relevant to the thread.

Regards,

Hey everyone...it's...Colin of Essex...(clap sign lights)...

Yeah Col...between you and Rich, he's still our favorite "cartoon" but you are a very close 2nd...very much like code for the bathroom; he's #1 and you're #2!:p

...so ends the lesson because that is by far, more clever than you two could ever hope to be!?#?$?!:p
Boo! All that ranting and you didn't confirm whether I was right about Gloria Matthews, Ltd???!!! I want to know! :mad:

Boo! All that ranting and you didn't confirm whether I was right about Gloria Matthews, Ltd???!!! I want to know! :mad:

Yes, very sorry...I was ranting but in response to constant irreverence so I had no choice!

My "GML" doesn't stand for "Gloria..." or "Gone Mad Lately"...

I was running a golf league out here in Denver for a company back in '91 and a very attractive young lady commented later to me that she thought I looked "quite the golf professional"...:D

Anyway, after dating for some time, we were talking about when we first met and I asked her about her 1st impressions and she reiterated and added, "you looked like a real Golf Machine." So, Golf Machine Limited was born!

...I'm happy to add more in my golf threads! - Sports Forum...

Back to this thread...your honor!:cool:

What is honor?
Something that Bush and his cronies are totally devoid of
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5329350.stm :rolleyes:

Something that Bush and his cronies are totally devoid of
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5329350.stm :rolleyes:

Old News.

We have known for over 18 months, or maybe even more than 2 years, that the intelligence community was against this invasion, and that the administration "doctored" the evidence.

This whole Iraqi thing is very sad, but you still need a new tune.

but you still need a new tune.
Nah, the old ones are the best :cool:

Yes, very sorry...I was ranting but in response to constant irreverence so I had no choice!
No prob. Thanks for the explanation; I feel much better now! :p :D

Honor, to me, is doing what is right, for the right reasons, even when noone else will ever notice. Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I am new, so hopefully I will be forgiven. :P