Anyone know just where these can been seen?

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm)

I'd imagine most places have removed them by now. Wikipedia has a low resolution picture available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg

The accompanying article describes each picture.

Yes and it's a damn good job christians don't display such riotous behaviour just because someone has a different take on life. :rolleyes:
Fortunately for us Europeans freedom of expression is guaranteed any chance you guys would ever be afforded such freedom?

Fortunately for us Europeans freedom of expression is guaranteed
Unless you're the chief editor of France Soir apparently. :rolleyes: Yes, the European community sure showed the Muslims who's in charge of the free speech train...

Unless you're the chief editor of France Soir apparently. :rolleyes: ...

I suspect that decision was based on commercial reasons and not on ethical grounds

Yes and it's a damn good job christians don't display such riotous behaviour just because someone has a different take on life. :rolleyes:
Fortunately for us Europeans freedom of expression is guaranteed any chance you guys would ever be afforded such freedom?

Did I miss something? Where were the cartoons on the BBC web site?

I suspect that decision was based on commercial reasons and not on ethical grounds
So in Europe speech is free unless is costs you money?

So in Europe speech is free unless is costs you money?
Please don't class France as indicitive of Europe in general

Pleas don't class France as Europe
...
Fortunately for us Europeans freedom of expression is guaranteed[...]
Apparently what you meant to say was "Fortunately for some Europeans..."

I'm interested to see whether the UN indeed punishes Denmark as many Arab nations are demanding.

Did I miss something? Where were the cartoons on the BBC web site?

Why would they be ?:confused:

...

Apparently what you meant to say was "Fortunately for some Europeans..."

Yes, I should have said most

Anyone know just where these can been seen?



Have a look at this.
http://democracyfrontline.org/blog/?p=133

Go Danes, Go

Hum... Thanks RAK. I can see how they would be offensive. But I think the protests are doing their cause more harm than good. I guess I simply don't grasp the doctrine so I should just mind my own business... :(

I don't think the protests are so bad; it's the death threats and such. The reaction is so rediculously extreme that the Muslims are actually proving the point the cartoons are trying to make; kinda funny if you ask me.

And yeah, they are rather offensive and the paper got exactly what they expected, but you'd think some leaders of the Muslim community might think, "Hey, maybe we should be more outraged at the people who are giving Islam this terrible image instead."

I don't know if I'd consider it funny. Maybe Ironic. If the paper was wanting to voice a concern over Islamic extremist the it seem they would have simply done an editorial. (Which probably would have back-fired as well :( ). Otherwise I'd say they may have been out to stir the trouble up from the beginning. I bet their circulation/readership has gone up...

it's the death threats and such. The reaction is so rediculously extreme that the Muslims are actually proving the point the cartoons are trying to make; kinda funny if you ask me.


Makes you wonder how little else they have in their lives :confused:

I always like it when I take a day off from this place, you never know what you’ll find when you come back.

I was wondering if someone was going to start this thread.

And as usual, everyone pretty much stayed in form.

You guys can take the next part personally, because I mean it that way.

Hum... Thanks RAK. I can see how they would be offensive. But I think the protests are doing their cause more harm than good. I guess I simply don't grasp the doctrine so I should just mind my own business... :(

Ken,
As usual, above all else, you are a nice guy.

I don't think the protests are so bad; it's the death threats and such. The reaction is so rediculously extreme that the Muslims are actually proving the point the cartoons are trying to make; kinda funny if you ask me.

And yeah, they are rather offensive and the paper got exactly what they expected, but you'd think some leaders of the Muslim community might think, "Hey, maybe we should be more outraged at the people who are giving Islam this terrible image instead."

Kraj,

As usual, you have insight into the crux, well beyond your years. I’ll elaborate on your answer in the next post.


Have a look at this.
http://democracyfrontline.org/blog/?p=133

Go Danes, Go

Rak,

We can always count on you for the information.


And of course Rich,

If you ever had an original thought, the world would once again revolve in greased grooves.


Yes and it's a damn good job christians don't display such riotous behaviour just because someone has a different take on life. :rolleyes:
Fortunately for us Europeans freedom of expression is guaranteed any chance you guys would ever be afforded such freedom?

The Muslims bomb and cause mayhem; and it’s the Christians you talk about, or was the lack of Freedom in the US.

Makes you wonder how little else they have in their lives :confused:

The Royal Family and the rest or the ruling class in those countries take all the wealth and then allow the mosque to subvert the young men into lives of organized crime, and you insinuate that the West is somehow responsible.

It wouldn’t be so offensive if for once, just once, you would actually make a statement that was neither anti American nor anti Christian.

If you think that I am attacking you personally than you are correct. It wouldn't be so bad if you were stupid or otherwise incapable of thought, but you are an intelligent and likable guy, with a serious problem.

Have a look at this.
http://democracyfrontline.org/blog/?p=133

Go Danes, Go

Are those the cartoon that actually caused all this?

Yes indeed, American Christian extremism is endangering the world.

Well, now that I have that out of the way I think I will take a more scholarly approach.

Kraj your earlier statements actually sum up the real problems in the Muslim world.

You guys have been hearing me say the war is coming to the Middle East for months now. And you’ve also heard me say it’s going to be civil war, brother against brother.



Here is the problem.


I don't think the protests are so bad; it's the death threats and such. The reaction is so rediculously extreme that the Muslims are actually proving the point the cartoons are trying to make; kinda funny if you ask me.

And yeah, they are rather offensive and the paper got exactly what they expected, but you'd think some leaders of the Muslim community might think, "Hey, maybe we should be more outraged at the people who are giving Islam this terrible image instead."


There is a “Catch 22” hostage crises going on in the Muslim world.

The Middle Eastern leadership is incapable of policing the extremist in their mist for fear of a full scale rebellion; which will lead to revolution. But they need the weapons and technology from the west, so they play the deadly middle ground trying to court the west and at the same time trying not to allow, yet another country to succumb to radical Islam.

Basically they know that the end is near, but they are powerless to turn the tide. And the ones that could, have no incentive what-so-ever.

Saudi Arabia; the shining economic star in the Middle Eastern petroleum states, has yet to wean itself of dependency on oil revenue. When their Oil runs out, the rich will head for Europe or the US and leave a starving bunch of people to fend for themselves. The evidence of this is the lack of investment in education, and non oil related businesses. The vast majority of Saudi investment by the Royal Family is in Europe and the US.

They expect to leave, and the only ones their leaving are the peons, the undesirables, and the religious extreme.

They’ve been trying to kill them off for centuries anyway.

And of course Rich,

If you ever had an original thought, the world would once again revolve in greased grooves.




The Muslims bomb and cause mayhem; and it’s the Christians you talk about, or was the lack of Freedom in the US.



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What a bloody hypocrite you are, remind me who just killed 18 Muslims including children with a missile. And you accuse me of stupidity and ignorance :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Are those the cartoon that actually caused all this?

Yes indeed, American Christian extremism is endangering the world.

Oh yeah, look back on here just a few days ago :rolleyes:

What a bloody hypocrite you are, remind me who just killed 18 Muslims including children with a missile. And you accuse me of stupidity and ignorance :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sadly, you’re right about those unfortunate people.

But that is no excuse to make every post about those terrible Americans. As if we live in a vacuum.

I don’t think that all of what we do here is defendable, but trying to blame it entirely on America is short sighted, inflammatory, and down right inaccurate.

Your position would be better served by a more balanced approach.

And I have never said you were either stupid or ignorant. I have, and still do, maintain that your invariably one sided position is predictable, and therefore of dubious less value.

But that is no excuse to make every post about those terrible Americans. As if we live in a vacuum.
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I don't, however it is right and proper that I point out when neccessary that you have no right to take the moral high ground here.

I don’t think that all of what we do here is defendable, but trying to blame it entirely on America is short sighted, inflammatory, and down right inaccurate.


Am I missing something here, are you trying to justify what can only be described as murder, as being somebody elses fault?

Your position would be better served by a more balanced approach.


Ahem, what balanced approach is that? :confused:

I don't, however it is right and proper that I point out when neccessary that you have no right to take the moral high ground here.



Am I missing something here, are you trying to justify what can only be described as murder, as being somebody elses fault?



Ahem, what balanced approach is that? :confused:

I, and others, here have been trying to explane it to you Richard.

But alas it all seems to fall on deaf ears.

Think what you want, I grow weary of trying to educate you.

I, and others, here have been trying to explane it to you Richard.

But alas it all seems to fall on deaf ears.

Think what you want, I grow weary of trying to educate you.

Explain what, murder ?

Explain what, murder ?

Post one more time so you can get the last word, I'm done.

Post one more time so you can get the last word, I'm done.

Done what? All you've done so far is continue with your personal vendetta against the Saudi royal family and the middle east in general. :confused:

Having seen the riots etc. in the Middle East, all I can say is thank God we've got the race relations act etc. here. I mean can you imagine Muslims walking around London with placards inciting racial hatred and advocating murder.
Of course they'd immediately be arrested and charged under the race relations act along with many other acts if that one didn't work.
Hell it's a good job I don't suggest we burn down one or two Muslim embassies, I'd be arrested for inciting racial hatred, it's a jolly good job our law's even handed. I wonder if our politicians and in particular Zog (the impotent) will continue to ignore the people and in particular the recent verdict of the jury in the highly publicised trial of known extreme racists.
The day we aren't allowed freedom of expression is the day life isn't worth living anymore.
Just who the hell opened Pandora’s box in the first place?

More important from my perspective is just hwo many money/circulation hungry news outlets will try to capitalize on this by doing their own cartoon thing...

More important from my perspective is just hwo many money/circulation hungry news outlets will try to capitalize on this by doing their own cartoon thing...

Why shouldn't they, aren't your papers full of politically satirical cartoons ?

I'll probably get a Fatwat issued for this, but what the hell :rolleyes:


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