OK, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR, bad for you, yet it is in many, many products.
What if instead of this bad for you thing, these products were changed to use say a regular sugar, stuff like that which would make them not as bad for you?
Then the current HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR plants changed to generate Ethenol instead. The Ethenol can be used as fuel, and could be added to exiting supplies, and even it's own since corperations like GM are building their cars to run on 85% Ethenol.
Kind of kill two birds with one stone, make everyday products a little less unhealthy, and help the fuel situation.

Just thinking out loud.

OK, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR, bad for you, yet it is in many, many products.
What if instead of this bad for you thing, these products were changed to use say a regular sugar, stuff like that which would make them not as bad for you?
Then the current HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR plants changed to generate Ethenol instead. The Ethenol can be used as fuel, and could be added to exiting supplies, and even it's own since corperations like GM are building their cars to run on 85% Ethenol.
Kind of kill two birds with one stone, make everyday products a little less unhealthy, and help the fuel situation.

Just thinking out loud.

In 1979 Americans ate 2 lbs of High Fructose Corn Syrup, in 2005 they ate 60.

No wonder we’re a bunch of fat pigs.

It’s cheaper than sugar, easier to transport, and is actually sweeter.

It has a more detrimental effect on the insulin cycle creating FAT people.

Much better to burn it in our cars.

The Ethenol can be used as fuel, and could be added to exiting supplies, and even it's own since corperations like GM are building their cars to run on 85% Ethenol.



Old news Fofa, the brazilians are doing that for years now. Ethanol is being produced from sugar cane and is added to the gasoline. It is a renewable energy source and an excellent combustible, since its motor octane number is higher than that from gasoline.

The fermentative process of ethanol production that give byproducts like fructose, comes as an extra, since there is an expanding market for fructose.

Here in the Netherlands we're doing tests with adding rapeseed to diesel
( Biodiesel), which reduces the literprice of Diesel and is better fro the environment.

Much better to burn it in our cars.
and here's your latest model :cool:


http://www.steamcar.net/img/toledo-2.jpg

OK, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR, bad for you, yet it is in many, many products.
What if instead of this bad for you thing, these products were changed to use say a regular sugar, stuff like that which would make them not as bad for you?
Then the current HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR plants changed to generate Ethenol instead. The Ethenol can be used as fuel, and could be added to exiting supplies, and even it's own since corperations like GM are building their cars to run on 85% Ethenol.
Kind of kill two birds with one stone, make everyday products a little less unhealthy, and help the fuel situation.

Just thinking out loud.
I have not heard of HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR but it would not suprise me what they are adding to our food today to make them more addictive and fattening. I bet Coke Zero has HFCS in it.

I have not heard of HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR but it would not suprise me what they are adding to our food today to make them more addictive and fattening. I bet Coke Zero has HFCS in it.

AKA high fructose corn syrup. It is in a LOT of things, especially drinks. You won't find many "fruit" drinks that don't have the stuff in it, unless it is 100% from concentrate. Definitely not good for you.

Old news Fofa, the brazilians are doing that for years now. Ethanol is being produced from sugar cane and is added to the gasoline. It is a renewable energy source and an excellent combustible, since its motor octane number is higher than that from gasoline.
I never said Ethanol was a new idea. They have used it for years in small quantities here. But Ethanol, like all alchole is drived from fermenting sugars. So instead of putting those "bad"sugars in our diet, convert them to alcohol and burn it in our cars. If I understand correctly, less bad emissions also.

I have not heard of HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SUGAR but it would not suprise me what they are adding to our food today to make them more addictive and fattening. I bet Coke Zero has HFCS in it.

I got one right here!! *Loves Coke Zero* No HFCS.....

It has the following:
Carbonated Water, Caramel Color, Phosphoric Acid, Aspartame, Potassium, Benzoate (to protect taste), Natural Favors, Potassium Citrate, Acesulfame, Potassium, Caffeine. PHENYLKETONURICS: Contains PHENYLALANINE.

Eeek. Aspertame... Bleh...

Eeek. Aspertame... Bleh...

It's Aspartame. ;)

I know, I try not to think about it and just drink it.

Didn't you know Coke and Cola are nothing more than diluted paint stripper? ;)

It's Aspartame. ;)

I know, I try not to think about it and just drink it.

Wow! My spelling's been corrected! And by Selena! ;)

Yeah, I just can't stand most things with aspartame in it. It just tastes disgusting to me.

Wow! My spelling's been corrected! And by Selena! ;)

Ohh, lordy mercy.....Hades hath frozen over......:eek: :p :D

....Hades hath frozen over......:eek: :p :D

New York's frozen this early in the year, bloody global warming!

You're not diabetic, are you?

You're not diabetic, are you?


To whom are you asking?

I'm asking you.

"[...] acesulfame-K are all known to enhance insulin release even though they are not carbohydrates"

And just for shits and giggles:

"Phenylalanine uses the same active transport channel as tryptophan to cross the blood-brain barrier, and, in large quantities, interferes with the production of serotonin."

I'm asking you.

"[...] acesulfame-K are all known to enhance insulin release even though they are not carbohydrates"

And just for shits and giggles:

"Phenylalanine uses the same active transport channel as tryptophan to cross the blood-brain barrier, and, in large quantities, interferes with the production of serotonin."
Actually I was insulin resistant, but since I've lost 80lbs over the past 2 years, I hadn't had any problems.

serotonin eh...not good either......I need to keep all I have since I apparently don't keep it, and try to reabsorb it when I shouldn't. . I'm on a serotonin re-uptake inhabiter. :D

Just keep it to a couple cans a day and you'll only be slightly poisoned. :)

Just keep it to a couple cans a day and you'll only be slightly poisoned. :)

At least I'll be happily poisioned...:eek: :D

At least I'll be happily poisioned...:eek: :D
Is it alcoholic ?:confused: :confused:

Is it alcoholic ?:confused: :confused:


Nope, but it sure taste good. Mmmmmm *licks lips*

Nope, but it sure taste good. Mmmmmm *licks lips*

Coke tastes good? :confused:

Coke tastes good? :confused:

Yes Coca-Cola taste very good......

Yes Coca-Cola taste very good......

Like drinking coal tar:rolleyes:

Like drinking coal tar:rolleyes:

Mmmm, then it must be good coal tar then. ;) :D

I also like Diet Pepsi, but hate Pepsi. I love Coke, but hate Diet Coke....Go figure right?

I've always thought Diet Pepsi was like soap.

OK, before you ask,...

I was foul-mouthed as a kid. Got my mouth washed out regularly.

So Diet Pepsi tastes like soap. Thus speaks the voice of experience. Of course, when they got Brittany Spears to do the commercials, I at least honored the effort by watching them. She's not that bright; her singing is a bit distant; her style is strictly teen pop - but she's not hard on the eyes, particularly if you're an old f*rt like me.

On a different topic, I had a friend in college who used to drink a liter of soft drink a day. He told me that when he switched from regular Coke (lots of HFCS) to Diet Coke (just aspartame), he lost 30 pounds in a year with no other changes in his diet.

On a different topic, I had a friend in college who used to drink a liter of soft drink a day. He told me that when he switched from regular Coke (lots of HFCS) to Diet Coke (just aspartame), he lost 30 pounds in a year with no other changes in his diet.


Ohh, I don't care much for Slutny Spears. :eek: Err, I mean Brittiny Spears.

And yes, You can lost weight by just changing from real Coke to the Diet version. Very nice way to lose 30 lbs and not even try eh?

I've always thought Diet Pepsi was like soap.


Yes, Wrights coal tar soap :cool:

On a different topic, I had a friend in college who used to drink a liter of soft drink a day. He told me that when he switched from regular Coke (lots of HFCS) to Diet Coke (just aspartame), he lost 30 pounds in a year with no other changes in his diet.

It's the absolute number one factor in teenage obesity.

That settles it !! I'm giving up Coke and donating my stash of 38,724 cartons of Coke to Brittiny Spears.

It's the absolute number one factor in teenage obesity.

I disagree. #1 would be the appalling lack of knowledge in parents/kids of nutrition of current food products. #2 is lack of will to do anything with that knowledge.

That settles it !! I'm giving up Coke and donating my stash of 38,724 cartons of Coke to Brittiny Spears.

What exaclty is a 'carton' of coke? I've heard of a case of cokes, a 12 pack and 6 pack. But never a carton :confused:

And thats a lot of any kind of drink :eek: Did you count them all or is that kind of a guess-timate of your stash?

What exaclty is a 'carton' of coke? I've heard of a case of cokes, a 12 pack and 6 pack. But never a carton :confused:

And thats a lot of any kind of drink :eek: Did you count them all or is that kind of a guess-timate of your stash?
Cartons come in 18 or 24 or 36 packs.
The only reason I made a comment about Brittany Spears is because I don't like her because , last I heard, she supports George Bush.

You seem to be obsessed with this 'Bush' thing...

You seem to be obsessed with this 'Bush' thing...
Perhaps Bart is Donny Rumsfelt in disguise trying to find out what people really think:eek:

Col

You would think the 'Artist in the name of peace' people could do a bit better than the cheesy animated 'hate bush' flash thingie... Unless they're also part of the 'Starving Artist' clan... :D :D :D

(I was thinking his posts did remind me of some other posters around here - maybe he does have a dual username/sign-in...)

(I was thinking his posts did remind me of some other posters around here - maybe he does have a dual username/sign-in...)
Thats possible but not many people (if any) refer to Bush in every post;)

Col

True... ;)

I was thinking maybe he's American (?), Not UK beacuse he ask about Blair and not some other country because there simple are not a whole lot from other countries around here... Hum, possibly Canadian? I was also guessing maybe West Coast...

True... ;)

I was thinking maybe he's American (?), Not UK beacuse he ask about Blair and not some other country because there simple are not a whole lot from other countries around here... Hum, possibly Canadian? I was also guessing maybe West Coast...
Don't worry about it too much guys. I'm just here to join a a forum and do a bit of Bush bashing while I'm at it. And learn some other computer stuff too.
Hey you missed 2 posts where I didn't mention Bush.! :D
I'll give the first person a prize if they can guess my nationality and country I live in.
So for now all I want to say is :BushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushB ushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBus hBushBushBushBushBushBushBushBush

.... I'm just here to join a a forum and do a bit of Bush bashing while I'm at it. ...

Sorry, This is not an AA (http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/?Media=PlayFlash) forum... Even though Col & Rich could drive a person to drinking...

(Sorry - Couldn't pass up the chance at a cheap shot :p )

Sorry, This is not an AA (http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/?Media=PlayFlash) forum... Even though Col & Rich could drive a person to drinking...

(Sorry - Couldn't pass up the chance at a cheap shot :p )

I a pretty bad speller and i usually double check my post but wanted to just put in a quick reply..I am an artist *cough cough* and here's my latest painting. I can give you links to my Bush satire paintings also but I think that can wait for later.

anyhow this one's called..." In Memory of ".

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/69/memory40mx.jpg
.

Sorry, This is not an AA (http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/?Media=PlayFlash) forum... Even though Col & Rich could drive a person to drinking...

(Sorry - Couldn't pass up the chance at a cheap shot :p )
a cheap shot of what? Southern Comfort? - if they really are cheap, I'll pop over and we'll down a few Ken:D

Col

I certainly believe Bio-fuels are a way forward in reducing emissions. However Bio-fuels will add an extra and interesting dimension to fuel markets. For example what happens if there is a crop failure due to drought or pest infestation? What will the net impact be on the environment if there is an increase in the use of fertilizers and pesticides/herbicides to support national scale use of bio-fuels. What is the impact of mono-culture on bio-diversity because there will certainly needed to be changes to the scale of production that would be need to meet nationally legislated minimum useage i.e 5-10-15% ethanol by volume. What is the true carbon reduction effect. Bio-fuels are not infact carbon neutral to use the parlance. They require energy to transport and refine/brew which may come from fossil fuels. The logical answer to part of that problem at least is to have locally grown crops refined and distributed to local fuel stations which would at least reduce the impact of transportation. To add another dimension would countries that have so far resisted moves towards genetically modified crops sanction their use for crops that could produce higher oil or sugar yields to be used in the bio-fuels market.
Finally you can run a diesel car on cooking oil with little modification however it is illegal to do so in the UK unless you pay fuel tax meaning that there is actually little incentive -accept perhaps one of assuaging a fevered conscience - for the consumer to switch unless they have no choice.

Just read your note and thought I would add my two cents worth. First, look at the ingerdients list. If high fructose corn syrup is present, there are no other sugars added since it is about 60 times sweeter than dextrose, the usual sweetener. That means I can make a product with the same sweetness taste with a lot less sugar - a boon to those would should limit their sugar intake. Second, frustose, some times called levulose, is a natural product and readily metabolizable by any organism that has a glycolysis pathway (that's all of them: animals, plants, protozoa, you name it). So, I do not know where the idea that fructose is a bad actor comes from other than some form of tribal knowledge that has acquired a life of its own. I know of no rigorous study suggesting fructose has deleterious side effects (of course, I haven't read everything). Remember that nearly everything we consume gets converted to glucose unless used directly as a building block so sugars are not inherently bad for us. The amount we consume is and HFCS can help us with that part.

a cheap shot of what? Southern Comfort? - if they really are cheap, I'll pop over and we'll down a few Ken:D

Col

Goodness... aren't we witty this morning...

BTW - That 'God save the queen' is really cute... Is that some kind of ditty that is supposed to do a unity type thing among you old schoolers?

I a pretty bad speller and i usually double check my post but wanted to just put in a quick reply..I am an artist *cough cough* and here's my latest painting. I can give you links to my Bush satire paintings also but I think that can wait for later.

anyhow this one's called..." In Memory of ".

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/69/memory40mx.jpg
.

Do you earn a living selling that kind of stuff?

Just read your note and thought I would add my two cents worth. First, look at the ingerdients list. If high fructose corn syrup is present, there are no other sugars added since it is about 60 times sweeter than dextrose, the usual sweetener. That means I can make a product with the same sweetness taste with a lot less sugar - a boon to those would should limit their sugar intake. Second, frustose, some times called levulose, is a natural product and readily metabolizable by any organism that has a glycolysis pathway (that's all of them: animals, plants, protozoa, you name it). So, I do not know where the idea that fructose is a bad actor comes from other than some form of tribal knowledge that has acquired a life of its own. I know of no rigorous study suggesting fructose has deleterious side effects (of course, I haven't read everything). Remember that nearly everything we consume gets converted to glucose unless used directly as a building block so sugars are not inherently bad for us. The amount we consume is and HFCS can help us with that part.

Interesting that a PhD found a sugar thread that was of interest in the 'cooler:eek: :D :D

That 'God save the queen' is really cute... Is that some kind of ditty that is supposed to do a unity type thing among you old schoolers?
I take it you mean our national anthem. We are united, now I know this is tricky for you to grasp - the clue is in the title - United Kingdom.:rolleyes: comprising of 4 different countries. Unlike the "United" States which erroniously indicates all states are united, except of course for the confederate states:D oh and Hawaii

Col

Do you earn a living selling that kind of stuff?
Its a bit blue isn't it? Shame there isn't a few more colours really. I thought it was Picasso who had a "blue period":confused:

Col

I take it you mean our national anthem. We are united, now I know this is tricky for you to grasp - the clue is in the title - United Kingdom.:rolleyes: comprising of 4 different countries. Unlike the "United" States which erroniously indicates all states are united, except of course for the confederate states:D oh and Hawaii

Col

No, I meant the way you do 'God bless her' or something like that everytime you mention the old gal in your posts...

(Sorry to have wasted your little rant about 'the confederate states and Hawaii' - whatever that was all about...:rolleyes: )

No, I meant the way you do 'God bless her' or something like that everytime you mention the old gal in your posts...
Its called respect - not something you are familiar with in the US presumably.:rolleyes:

(Sorry to have wasted your little rant about 'the confederate states and Hawaii' - whatever that was all about...:rolleyes: )I can save it for another day. I don't 'rant', unlike others here:D :rolleyes:

Col

I a pretty bad speller and i usually double check my post but wanted to just put in a quick reply..I am an artist *cough cough* and here's my latest painting. I can give you links to my Bush satire paintings also but I think that can wait for later.

anyhow this one's called..." In Memory of ".

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/69/memory40mx.jpg
.


I think it is very beautiful! I would love to see more.


Also, what medium was that done in?

Its a bit blue isn't it? Shame there isn't a few more colours really. I thought it was Picasso who had a "blue period":confused:

Col
I like it. It's a hell of a lot better than the majority of abstract art I've seen. This one has a strong sense of depth and - even though it's all blue - has a wide variety of variation in tone. I'd rather hang this on my wall than anything by Jackson Pollack (prestige factor, aside ;) ).

Its called respect - not something you are familiar with in the US presumably.:rolleyes:
Col
Considering you don't believe in God and pretty much think the whole concept is a scam, isn't it rather hypocritical of you to say "God bless the Queen" is a show of respect?

Considering you don't believe in God and pretty much think the whole concept is a scam, isn't it rather hypocritical of you to say "God bless the Queen" is a show of respect?

Is kind of screwy isn't it...:rolleyes: I'm sure he'll have a come back...;)

... Even though Col & Rich could drive a person to drinking...


Yes but you'll have to make your own way back home, unlike the US we don't believe in drink driving:p :cool:

Yes but you'll have to make your own way back home, unlike the US we don't believe in drink driving:p :cool:

'Don't believe in drink driving'... Pretty much say's it all :p Is it happy happy hour over there already? :p :p

Is kind of screwy isn't it...:rolleyes: I'm sure he'll have a come back...;)
Yes, its a bit bloody sneaky adding a comment in the tail like that after you originally posted. Fair enough making the odd amendment to spelling but to add a whole comment - I expected more from you Kraj - that was sneaky:(
It wasn't there when I read the thread

Col

'Don't believe in drink driving'... Pretty much say's it all :p Is it happy happy hour over there already? :p :p
We are always happy:D

Col

Is it happy happy hour over there already? :p :p

We're happy all the time Kenny, :cool: well except when Bush's mug appears on the box :mad: :mad: :p

Sorry, I missed something here...??? What was sneaky?

We are always happy:D

Col

You should be, you have us protecting you, you eat our wonderful food, drink our cokes, etc, watch our TV shows, etc...:rolleyes:

(Just kidding - ;) )

What was sneaky?
Give us a clue :confused: :confused:

You should be, you have us protecting you,
God help us :rolleyes: :p

You should be, you have us protecting you, you eat our wonderful food, drink our cokes, etc, watch our TV shows, etc...:rolleyes:

(Just kidding - ;) )
Now where's that vomit smilie I did yesterday after your sickly story:D ;)


Edit. . . . . . .found it. . . . . . . . http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-011.gif


Col

You should be, you have us protecting you,
http://www.rabidls1.zandalea.net/NEWSMILIES/lolol.gif

http://www.rabidls1.zandalea.net/NEWSMILIES/lolol.gif

Now you can leave work on Friday on an upbeat mood :D

(Cool smiley :D )

Now where's that vomit smilie I did yesterday after your sickly story:D ;)


Edit. . . . . . .found it. . . . . . . . http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-011.gif


Col

Here's one in regard to your sappy 'Bless the queen stuff' :

http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/commentary.gif

;) :D

Yes, its a bit bloody sneaky adding a comment in the tail like that after you originally posted. Fair enough making the odd amendment to spelling but to add a whole comment - I expected more from you Kraj - that was sneaky:(
It wasn't there when I read the thread

Col
Yes, I realize that three-minute window between my original post and my edit was a recipie for disaster. But I'm willing to take that risk rather than double- or triple-post like you fellas are happy to constantly do because you're too lazy to copy/paste into one post after you hit the Quote button. :D :p

Thats possible but not many people (if any) refer to Bush in every post;)
Rich comes pretty close

Just read your note and thought I would add my two cents worth. First, look at the ingerdients list. If high fructose corn syrup is present, there are no other sugars added since it is about 60 times sweeter than dextrose, the usual sweetener. That means I can make a product with the same sweetness taste with a lot less sugar - a boon to those would should limit their sugar intake. Second, frustose, some times called levulose, is a natural product and readily metabolizable by any organism that has a glycolysis pathway (that's all of them: animals, plants, protozoa, you name it). So, I do not know where the idea that fructose is a bad actor comes from other than some form of tribal knowledge that has acquired a life of its own. I know of no rigorous study suggesting fructose has deleterious side effects (of course, I haven't read everything). Remember that nearly everything we consume gets converted to glucose unless used directly as a building block so sugars are not inherently bad for us. The amount we consume is and HFCS can help us with that part.
Yea, however it does force the body (in some people like me) to go into insulin over drive, and causes a ping pong effect of high and low blod surgar. Plus as I also understand it, it appears in products that don't really need sugar, just because we are getting more used to sugar in the diet, so it gets added since it is cheap. So why not replace it with a sugar that does is not so readly broken down by the body, negating that ping pong efect of insulin, and make fuel from it instead?

I take it you mean our national anthem. We are united, now I know this is tricky for you to grasp - the clue is in the title - United Kingdom. comprising of 4 different countries. Unlike the "United" States which erroniously indicates all states are united
Humm, but when I was in Scotland, their take on it is pretty much a suppressive English government that dictates what can, and can't happen to them (basically). They say they have a "token" government representative (don't know what it is myself, so we will leave it at that). Does not really sound that "United" to me. And why is not called "United Countries" then?
Wherein United States is closer to reality in my way of thinking. And we would truly be United if we could get rid of those whiny liberals and send them back to Europe and their same kind. :eek: :p :rolleyes:

All this vomiting is nasty!! Make my tummy churn just viewing this thread!!

Blah, can't you boys find something a bit different??

... And we would truly be United if we could get rid of those whiny liberals and send them back to Europe and their same kind. :eek: :p :rolleyes:

Fo for Pres!! :) :) :)

All this vomiting is nasty!! Make my tummy churn just viewing this thread!!

Blah, can't you boys find something a bit different??

Sorry... How's this?

http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~pjw/Q3D/newlake/lake.jpg

Sorry... How's this?

http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~pjw/Q3D/newlake/lake.jpg


Much better Kenny boy...much better!!

Rich comes pretty close
Well somebody's got to try and educate you guys:rolleyes:

Humm, but when I was in Scotland, their take on it is pretty much a suppressive English government that dictates what can, and can't happen to them (basically). They say they have a "token" government representative (don't know what it is myself, so we will leave it at that)

The Scots, Welsh and NI all have their own legislators, paid for I might add by the English, England does not have its own parliament:mad:


And why is not called "United Countries" then?

Because it's a Kingdom :rolleyes:


And we would truly be United if we could get rid of those whiny liberals and send them back to Europe and their same kind. :eek: :p :rolleyes

Except those who are of Germanic hereditary eh? :rolleyes:

Fo for Pres!! :) :) :)
There's already a lunatic in office:rolleyes:

still, leave it to God to sort out the mess

Thanks for your feedback on my previous painting which was done in Photoshop CS2. I've just installed CS2 but used my old PS 7 to do this one called " Democracy in Iraq". I'm trying to organize a new web site that has the best of my works on it but for now I'll just post a few goodies here .
I have read all the posts since my last post on this thread and it's a bit difficult to reply to all.,
I don't do art for a living.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4240/demo35yw.jpg

.

[QUOTE=KenHigg]Sorry... How's this?

Grand Tetons????

Not sure Joe... I was guessing Colorado Rockies?

Not sure Joe... I was guessing Colorado Rockies?

Could be also. I've seen a very similar place in the Rocky Mountain National Park, but I've also seen a similar view from the Tetons. Either way, or from anywhere else in the world...georgeous.

Either way it is beatiful!!