By the way, congrats. :D Just to hijack the thread further, did you get to go anywhere exciting for your honeymoon?

By the way, congrats. :D Just to hijack the thread further, did you get to go anywhere exciting for your honeymoon?

Thanks (and to Bodisthathva) :D

We spent four days in Whistler, then four in Vancouver. I'd thoroughly recommend both, although my wife - still feels weird writing that - wasn't as keen on the latter.

I was guessing "flinch", but it didn't seem to quite fit the rest of the paragraph. Neither did my other options of "fling", "flange" or "flan".

What about phlegm? :D

What about phlegm? :D

Not for me thanks, but don't let me stop you. :D

I do not "fire right back", I merely try to assertain what is happening. The visions we get of America are continually shot down (by Americans) as "pure Hollywood" or untrue.
Col

American are the only people in the world who deny that their media reflect their culture. I wonder why they're so ashamed of it? :rolleyes:

While I think of it, credit where credit's due:

Terri321's "Are you a mutation of scripted media?"

ranks right up there with

"You do have a spleen?" (I forget who posed this little gem)

as one of the most insane remarks I've read on any of the forums.
Top marks for originality if nothing else. :D
I forgot all about that comment, and was so amused I had to look it up. Bon appetite! (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=508822&postcount=792)

Instead of relying on what you hear - why don't you find out for yourself ;)


Yes as long as you're white not a muslim or are part of a gay couple you'll be allowed in to the "land of freedom, equality and justice" :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3122632.stm

Yes as long as you're white not a muslim or are part of a gay couple you'll be allowed in to the "land of freedom, equality and justice" :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3122632.stm
Sorry, don't agree. They were not allowed in because they refused to fill out the proper paperwork.
The reason the paperwork needed to be filled out in that manner might not be a real valid reason, but that is not why they were refused entry.
How ever I do have issues with the articule and what they said, in that the U.S. should recognise marriage by an outside country. I disagree with that, because I don't wanr some guy let in because his country deems they can marry a atomic bomb, and so he is allowed entry with his atomic bomb spouse, or his sheep, or whatever they think they are married to.
This one however seems to be one of those, I am going to make a stink about it to get some press, issues more than any thing else.

or his sheep, .

Is that because the country's full of sheep already?:confused:

Is that because the country's full of sheep already?:confused:

Yes, we've imported enough of them. :cool:

Yes, we've imported enough of them. :cool:
From mainland Europe presumably? :D :p

From mainland Europe presumably? :D :p

Predominantly. :D
Definitely not from the UK, if that's what you're hinting at. We let you keep yours. :p :cool:

I forgot all about that comment, and was so amused I had to look it up. Bon appetite! (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=508822&postcount=792)

Excellent stuff!

I was leaving a club, some years back. One of my friends used to dress somewhat flamboyantly and a drunk stood, swaying in front of him before coming out with the unforgettable "Why don't you f*ck off, you velvet-trousered b*stard?".

I can always appreciate an imaginative insult, especially if it detracts from whatever nonsense the person is otherwise coming out with (which leads us back nicely to the two previously mentioned remarks ;) ) The fact that this guy had the presence of mind to correctly combine those two words while heavily inebriated impressed me no end. His vomiting and falling over lessened the effect only marginally.

Excellent stuff!

I was leaving a club, some years back. One of my friends used to dress somewhat flamboyantly and a drunk stood, swaying in front of him before coming out with the unforgettable "Why don't you f*ck off, you velvet-trousered b*stard?".

I can always appreciate an imaginative insult, especially if it detracts from whatever nonsense the person is otherwise coming out with (which leads us back nicely to the two previously mentioned remarks ;) ) The fact that this guy had the presence of mind to correctly combine those two words while heavily inebriated impressed me no end. His vomiting and falling over lessened the effect only marginally.

How did he know you were born out of wedlock?:confused: :D

I was wearing a t-shirt that said so :D , but the comment was actually directed at my friend.

I can always appreciate an imaginative insult, especially if it detracts from whatever nonsense the person is otherwise coming out with.... "Why don't you f*ck off, you velvet-trousered b*stard?".
Amen to that! The art of really-good insults is lost, I'm afraid, and replaced by generics. Bravo to this fine, young man!

Yes as long as you're white not a muslim or are part of a gay couple you'll be allowed in to the "land of freedom, equality and justice" :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3122632.stm
See Rich, as time goes on you really do come to realize our countries are not so different after all. :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5267884.stm

See Rich, as time goes on you really do come to realize our countries are not so different after all. :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5267884.stm

That online report doesn't give all the details of the incident and in any case they were allowed to enter the UK

That online report doesn't give all the details of the incident and in any case they were allowed to enter the UK
And if those two Canadians filled out the proper paperwork, they would have been allowed to enter the U.S.

And if those two Canadians filled out the proper paperwork, they would have been allowed to enter the U.S.
red tape, red tape:rolleyes:

I forgot all about that comment, and was so amused I had to look it up. Bon appetite! (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=508822&postcount=792)

Yes, I wonder whatever happened to nomorehype? Do you think he gave up at trying to 'educate' us?

red tape, red tape:rolleyes:

It's everywhere, it's everywhere. :rolleyes: ;)

It's everywhere, it's everywhere. :rolleyes: ;)
Except when one wants a gun in your country:p :cool:

Except when one wants a gun in your country:p :cool:

No, it's there too. At least, it is when you go through legal channels to buy one. But, therein lies the problem. :cool: :D

No, it's there too. At least, it is when you go through legal channels to buy one. But, therein lies the problem. :cool: :D

You mean across the counter at Walmart is illegal? :confused:

You mean across the counter at Walmart is illegal? :confused:

Meaning that those who obtain guns by illegal means (stealing, black market, etc.) account for most of the gun crime problems over here.

Silly Rich, don't try to play dumb. I know we've covered this material before. Or do you suffer from memory loss? ;) :D

Meaning that those who obtain guns by illegal means (stealing, black market, etc.) account for most of the gun crime problems over here.

Silly Rich, don't try to play dumb. I know we've covered this material before. Or do you suffer from memory loss? ;) :D

No, it's just that the matter was left unresolved :eek: :p

No, it's just that the matter was left unresolved :eek: :p

Why, I don't know what you mean. It was resolved quite nicely from my end. :eek: :D

Why, I don't know what you mean. It was resolved quite nicely from my end. :eek: :D

Can't have been, you still have them :p

Can't have been, you still have them :p

Precisely. :D :cool: :p

I don't know, I take a couple of weeks off for honeymoon and this has fast become the most varied and - dare I say - surreal forum of all (not that I make any claim to having kept it sensible myself, having made no contributions until now, but I have enjoyed reading some of the more rational comments).

Congradulations Matt, glad to see ya back.:)

Meaning that those who obtain guns by illegal means (stealing, black market, etc.) account for most of the gun crime problems over here.

Silly Rich, don't try to play dumb. I know we've covered this material before. Or do you suffer from memory loss? ;) :D



A radio broadcast: there will be one way the Average Joe American can still have a gun. We can order gun kits; it’s the full gun only in parts and assemble the gun ourselves. These kit guns have no serial numbers and do not legally need to be recorded.

It might be something someone is interested in looking into.
Sorry no links or further information at the moment.


Terri321

Yes, I wonder whatever happened to nomorehype? Do you think he gave up at trying to 'educate' us?
We can only hope...

American are the only people in the world who deny that their media reflect their culture. I wonder why they're so ashamed of it? :rolleyes:
hmm...

Aus: Crocodile Dundee / Crocodile Hunter
Australia may be like this for a very very few people, but for most of us it isn't...

UK: Little Britain / Monty Python / Benny Hill

I rest my case :p

hmm...

Aus: Crocodile Dundee / Crocodile Hunter
Australia may be like this for a very very few people, but for most of us it isn't...

UK: Little Britain / Monty Python / Benny Hill

I rest my case :p

Those are just one or two examples, almost the entire output of American media shows violence, corruption, drug pushing, guns in everybodys hands, etc.
I rest my case :cool: :p

Those are just one or two examples, almost the entire output of American media shows violence, corruption, drug pushing, guns in everybodys hands, etc.
I rest my case :cool: :p
And those vampires... better stay away from Sunnydale (and Santa Carla!) :eek: :p

And those vampires... better stay away from Sunnydale (and Santa Carla!) :eek: :p
and there's a vampire in the White House at the minute :mad: :p

Therefore, it is of my opinion that your claim to simply be trying "to assertain what is happening" is an outright lie.
I do not tell lies, thank you very much:mad:

Frankly, if you want to base all your conclusions about America and Americans off of television and movies, that's your perogative. Just do us all a favor and stop telling yourself you know more about the daily life of Americans than Americans do.

Look, how can I get this across to you. Time and time again on US programmes we see guns, shooting, killings, blacks are bad, whites are good, we see corruption at highest levels, we see corruption at lower levels, we see street violence, knifings, we see motorists shooting each other in road rage, we see guns for sale in Walmart, we see a society obsessed with guns and money - the dollar is the top rated religion, the gun is second. We see a prez who is happy to kill tens of thousands of innocent people in retaliation for 3,000 killed on 11/9.

I am perfectly aware that downtown Bloominton, Illinois is probobly a super place with hardly any crime - thats not the point, the point is if Hollywood make these programmes and its all untrue, where do they base their ideas from? is it fantasy?

Ask Cindy why she keeps a gun on top the wardrobe. Ask other members why they keep an arsenal of weapons. Why do cops carry guns?


It's upsetting.How sad:rolleyes:

more and more bickering and valuable forum members simply giving up and departing
who has left as a direct result of either Rich's or my postings? neither of us personally insult other members -like name calling- we are merely trying to show that your censored perspective on how you think the USA is viewed, is seriously flawed.
Rich and I are like good samaritans, we are trying to help you, unfortunately, its a long process - but we will strive to make progress.

As I said before, Hollywood is very very bad PR for America.

two years I've been posting here.
is that all? thought it was longer

Col

If you want to keep up with this thread you can't afford a day away, atleast not if you are a slow reader like me:D .

If tv shows reflect the country they are made in goes that mean all London Eastenders are crooks and/or as thick as 2 short planks?

It must also be noted that the pubs in tv shows rarely have loud background music drowning all hope of conversation, whereas the opposite is true in real life.

I wonder what % of American TV production we get in the UK.

Brian

If tv shows reflect the country they are made in goes that mean all London Eastenders are crooks and/or as thick as 2 short planks?

exactly!!! thats what I am trying to say - the TV shows have a basis to real life, some Eastenders are crooks and are thick, all Essex girls appear to be blonde with stillettos and are right slappers:eek: all Liverpool people went to school with either Lennon or McCartney. But it seems that American shows are pure fantasy and have no basis in real life.

It must also be noted that the pubs in tv shows rarely have loud background music drowning all hope of conversation, whereas the opposite is true in real life.
Any regular viewer of Coronation Street will have realised that if the 'toilets' in the Rovers pub were real, then the ladies and gents would actually be in Ken Barlows living room;) :eek: the gap between the pub wall and his house is about 3 feet, yet the toilet door is in that wall.

I wonder what % of American TV production we get in the UK.
it seems quite high, but of course we get repeats on satellite. On normal telly I would think we get more UK programmes.

On satellite the other day, I came across The Beverly Hillbillies - it made me wonder if they are typical of USA mountain dwellers. If not, where does this image come from? I know the Yanks will say its not typical, and I'm sure thats true - but its interesting where stereotypical images come from. Is it a Hollywood think tank that dreams them up?

What stereotypical images have we of other places / countries? or indeed, have they of us?

Col

exactly!!! thats what I am trying to say - the TV shows have a basis to real life, some Eastenders are crooks and are thick, all Essex girls appear to be blonde with stillettos and are right slappers:eek: all Liverpool people went to school with either Lennon or McCartney.

Not true Hazel was at school with Ringo:D if a few years younger. We get a lot of mileage out of that in the States;)


Any regular viewer of Coronation Street will have realised that if the 'toilets' in the Rovers pub were real, then the ladies and gents would actually be in Ken Barlows living room;) :eek: the gap between the pub wall and his house is about 3 feet, yet the toilet door is in that wall.

Its actually a door to the jigga, the men turn left the women right.




it seems quite high, but of course we get repeats on satellite. On normal telly I would think we get more UK programmes.

I meant what % of their production do we get here not what % of our shows are American.

On satellite the other day, I came across The Beverly Hillbillies - it made me wonder if they are typical of USA mountain dwellers.

Is this one for Kenny? Tho' he is giving this thread a miss, I always thought that he was intelligent.:)

If not, where does this image come from? I know the Yanks will say its not typical, and I'm sure thats true - but its interesting where stereotypical images come from. Is it a Hollywood think tank that dreams them up?

They are called writers/producers:rolleyes:

Brian

Not true Hazel was at school with Ringo:D if a few years younger. We get a lot of mileage out of that in the States;)
I can imagine. Odd though being as they despised The Beatles for being more popular than Jesus

Its actually a door to the jigga, the men turn left the women right.Not sure what a jigga is - but left or right, the gap between the walls will not support toilets - and the 'cellar' door is there too.;)

Is this one for Kenny? Tho' he is giving this thread a miss, I always thought that he was intelligent.:) I confess when Jed Clampett shot at an animal for his stew I did think of our Ken:D



They are called writers/producers:rolleyes: no, they just do the TV show and prolong the illusion. I'm referring to general stereotypes,

why should a person with a southern accent be deemed less intelligent?,
why are Californians "beautiful"? when they are actually sun dried, shrivelled plastic wrecks like Joan Rivers.
Why are mountain people cast like Jed Clampett and Granny?
Why are dentists Jewish?
Why do Texas people wear 10 gallon hats like JR?
If there is a parade - does it always rain on it?


Who originally created these images?

Do the British drink tea all day and warm beer at night? Do we all dress like John Steed in the Avengers?

Am I bovvered? no

Col

On satellite the other day, I came across The Beverly Hillbillies - it made me wonder if they are typical of USA mountain dwellers. If not, where does this image come from? I know the Yanks will say its not typical, and I'm sure thats true - but its interesting where stereotypical images come from. Is it a Hollywood think tank that dreams them up? not typical...but if you take a large cross section of the "mountain dwellers" from West Virginia to the Ozarks, you would probably come across 90% of the quirks that made up the TV show.:eek: You'd also encounter a percentage that have more than 2 teeth, can read and write, bathe regularly, and live in the hills because they wouldn't have it any other way.

What stereotypical images have we of other places / countries? or indeed, have they of us?you know, the usual...all English drink Martinis (shaken, not stirred), are incredibly randy womanizers, drive Astin Martins, and have really, really, cool gadgets:rolleyes:

The Scots all paint their faces blue, moon unsuspecting English, live in little thatched huts, and really don't wear any drawers under those kilts:eek:

The Germans wear those little pointy hats, are incredibly obese, and completely clueless that the POWs under their guard have an escape tunnel to get to town (and then come back).

The French do nothing but drink wine at little sidewalk cafes and when the Germans aren't looking, they sneak into the back room to decode the subliminal messages from the BBC.

The Dutch all live in windmills, wear wooden shoes, and grow massive quantities of tulips

you know, the usual...all English drink Martinis (shaken, not stirred), are incredibly randy womanizers, drive Astin Martins, and have really, really, cool gadgets:rolleyes:

The Scots all paint their faces blue, moon unsuspecting English, live in little thatched huts, and really don't wear any drawers under those kilts:eek:

The Germans wear those little pointy hats, are incredibly obese, and completely clueless that the POWs under their guard have an escape tunnel to get to town (and then come back).

The French do nothing but drink wine at little sidewalk cafes and when the Germans aren't looking, they sneak into the back room to decode the subliminal messages from the BBC.

The Dutch all live in windmills, wear wooden shoes, and grow massive quantities of tulips

I think Col was referring to untrue stereotyping.:D

brian

Hi Col

Jigga , Jigger, Back Entry, Alley

From Wikipedia for Jigger

An alleyway or entry back jigger, an access to the rear of a row of houses, term used by people in Liverpool, England, United Kingdom. (Believed to come from the use of the back entries for "jig-jig" as African sailors called having sex)

Brian

Ps who have not lived if you have not had a knee trembler up the back jigger.

you know, the usual...all English drink Martinis (shaken, not stirred), are incredibly randy womanizers, drive Astin Martins, and have really, really, cool gadgets:rolleyes:
I have a bottle of Martini (Rosso) in our cocktail cabinet, the women thing is true - the only thing I haven't got is the Aston, I have a Ford Mondeo with cool gadgets - like a cup holder and a little space to put coins.

The Scots all paint their faces blue, moon unsuspecting English, live in little thatched huts, and really don't wear any drawers under those kilts:eek:thats all true, and they hate the English

The Germans wear those little pointy hats, are incredibly obese, and completely clueless that the POWs under their guard have an escape tunnel to get to town (and then come back). mostly true, but its only the Yanks that keep POW's these days in Cuba, the practice was abandoned by most civilised countries years ago.

The French do nothing but drink wine at little sidewalk cafes and when the Germans aren't looking, they sneak into the back room to decode the subliminal messages from the BBC.first bit true about the cafes - the rest is questionable as the French hate the rest of Europe, especially the English

The Dutch all live in windmills, wear wooden shoes, and grow massive quantities of tulipsthats true, and they travel everywhere by canal boat or bicycle

Col

Jigga , Jigger, Back Entry, Alley


is the Liverpool term "fish and finger pie" anything associated with this?

Col

is the Liverpool term "fish and finger pie" anything associated with this?

Col

I'll have to ask the boss when she comes home, not being a true born and bred Liverpudlian I don't know.

Brian

Look, how can I get this across to you.


I am perfectly aware that downtown Bloominton, Illinois is probobly a super place with hardly any crime - thats not the point, the point is if Hollywood make these programmes and its all untrue, where do they base their ideas from? is it fantasy?

You've just illustrated Kraj's point perfectly. I've already told you. These programmes are based on the abnormal.

For a show to be put on air - it has to be watched. It has to sell. It has to be OUT of the ordinary. I see people getting pulled over for a ticket all the time. Why would I want to buy a DVD of same? For me to buy that DVD it has to offer me something that I don't normally see.

All you're doing is ignoring perfectly valid answers to your questions and repeating the same question over and over again with the accusation that you're not being responded to. You ARE bring responded to, you're just not listening.

You've just illustrated Kraj's point perfectly. I've already told you. These programmes are based on the abnormal.

All you're doing is ignoring perfectly valid answers to your questions and repeating the same question over and over again with the accusation that you're not being responded to. You ARE bring responded to, you're just not listening.
I will drop this topic for a while, because you ( and Kraj) just don't understand what I'm getting at:rolleyes:

Lets move on to another subject

Col

I'll have to ask the boss when she comes home, not being a true born and bred Liverpudlian I don't know.

Brian
In case its rude:eek: it is referred to in the song "Penny Lane";)

Col

In case its rude:eek: it is referred to in the song "Penny Lane";)

Col

Hmm! I'd better tread carefully, asked my son in law, who asked his mum who is a real scouser in her 70s but neither knew, perhaps its a figment of John/Paul's imagination.

Brian

You were right to be cautious.

http://www.pointon.f2s.com/Content/ContentAtoH3.htm

Brian

Congradulations Matt, glad to see ya back.:)

Thanks, I would say "good to be back", but as much as I enjoy the forum, it comes a poor second ;)

I have a Ford Mondeo with cool gadgets - like a cup holder and a little space to put coins.

Thanks for that, Col. I just spat my drink all over the keyboard. :D

I'd love to see a "Pay attention, Bond" speech involving Q explaining either of those.

and there's a vampire in the White House at the minute :mad: :p

Spooky coincidence? Have you been sneaking a look at Terri321s public profile?

Or..no, it couldn't be, could it? If you take the word 'Rich', add some characters and remove some others it actually spells 'Terri321'.

Go on admit it, you've finally snapped and are now masquerading as an American conspiracy theorist.

Lets move on to another subject
Col

I'm quite sure that will be temporary.

I'm quite sure that will be temporary.
How true, but Rich and I will try to keep our American colleagues on track:rolleyes:

Col

I will drop this topic for a while, because you ( and Kraj) just don't understand what I'm getting at:rolleyes:
You've actually proven my point in more ways than one, so there's really no need for me to discuss it further.

Lets move on to another subject
That's what we've been suggesting for months. :rolleyes:

But to answer your question about who has departed or spent less time here because of the continuous crapfest this place has become: my visits here are increasingly infrequent, Dan has expressed being on the verge of leaving, Selena rarely says anything other than 'Hi', Chad disappeared without hardly a word as did CJBirkin/Stoat, Tess comes around maybe once a month, Ken rarely posts in the Cooler anymore, Joe has more or less disappeared... and those are just the ones off the top of my head. All are people who regularly contributed to friendly conversations and intelligent discussions and all are people who regularly expressed frustration over the increasingly unfriendly and unconstructive nature of the content here.

I recognize my contribution to this mess. If you want to pretend that everyone else is the problem, well, have fun with that.

Those are just one or two examples, almost the entire output of American media shows violence, corruption, drug pushing, guns in everybodys hands, etc.
I rest my case :cool: :p

Not the shows I watch. :eek:

I rest my case. :cool: :D

You've actually proven my point in more ways than one, so there's really no need for me to discuss it further.
not really, but never mind.


But to answer your question about who has departed or spent less time here because of the continuous crapfest this place has become: my visits here are increasingly infrequent, Dan has expressed being on the verge of leaving, Selena rarely says anything other than 'Hi', Chad disappeared without hardly a word as did CJBirkin/Stoat, Tess comes around maybe once a month, Ken rarely posts in the Cooler anymore, Joe has more or less disappeared
Apart from Dan threatening to go elsewhere (but he didn't), there are no reasons given for their infrequency, apart from Selena who is training and has no access to a PC. She will be back provided she has internet access.

Col

What you mean is that because I refuse to accept your point of view I'm either stupid or just anti-American

What I mean is that I have watched you refuse to accept ANYONE ELSE'S point of view. You have that right, but it means that I have no hope of changing your mindset. I am intelligent enough to recognize the futility of the attempt. Therefore, by applying the serenity prayer, I find that I must accept that which I cannot change and be thankful that I eventually found the wisdom to tell the difference.

Dan-cat

I have to say, that this is nonsense.

This was in response to my comment about no innocent citizens in Lebanon.

If the folks in Lebanon didn't kick out Hezbollah themselves, they became part of the problem. I see the parallel to this in inner cities of the USA. The druggies take over whole neighborhoods and the people who live there haven't got the guts to stand up to them. So they let it happen, then complain when nobody stops them from preying on the neighborhood.

Just remember, not to decide is to decide. If you don't want to be bombed to Hell and gone, remove the targets from your area.

Just remember, not to decide is to decide. If you don't want to be bombed to Hell and gone, remove the targets from your area.

Hi Doc,

You have to remember that it's not a crime to be meek. Just because civilians don't respond aggresively, it doesn't mean they take moral responsibility for the criminal's actions. Some people are simply not cut out for confrontation and it's usually those whose lives are cheapest when it comes to war.

We now have Hezbollah claiming victory, Israel admitting that they screwed up their military planning and plenty of civilians who just want to live a peaceful life, blown to smithereens. Basically lives lost with no gain whatsoever.

American are the only people in the world who deny that their media reflect their culture. I wonder why they're so ashamed of it?

OK, you bloody twit, that one is a non sequitur in that it performs the fallacy of the unrelated antecedent.

We deny that the media reflects our culture accurately because anything that shows "ordinary" life won't sell. "Big media" is out for a buck - our slang for making money. So they sell fantasy - which by definition is fantastic in the sense of "not real." What facet of reality they choose to show is of no consequence. Whatever the media shows, it is exaggerated, stretched to fit, and otherwise not representative of reality. It has omissions, additions, modifications, flights of fantasy, extrapolations, compressions, and all of the other little tricks that make the program "fit in the time allotted."

Since that presentation is not related to reality, how does it figure that we are ashamed of our real culture? (Answer: It does not.)

Therefore, when you toss in that remark about Americans being ashamed of their culture, you drew it from the nothingness inside you because you surely cannot have deduced it from our comments on what our media actually display. You were just being mean-spirited. You can deny it but I'm calling you out that you were just bashing for the sake of bashing. Either that, or your ability to understand logic is sorely deficient.

Hollywood (and probably Pinewood in the UK) have NO RELATION TO REALITY! If there is any shame, it is about a human - not a USA - trait. Morbid curiosity. We have no lock on this one. That is why the stuff made in TinselTown sells. It appeals to the basest of human interests.

I've watched the police video shows referenced in other posts. I once talked to a police officer who happens to also be a tennis buddy of mine. He told me what was going on. I'll try to explain.

Once you have a police chase that involves collisions, refusal to stop, and other issues that indicate an unwillingness to cooperate, you quickly get into the situation called a "felony stop." Listen to the shows more carefully to hear this phrase. I have heard it many times when the tape comes from the California area and the officer's voice is that of the helicopter observer.

In this mode of operation, the police ASSUME the worst because the driver has ALREADY SHOWN IT TO BE TRUE! Trying to force an officer off the road, trying to run down pedestrians (or just plowing through intersections without regard to pedestrians), using the car AS A WEAPON - these make the actions of the driver a FELONY. In such cases, to protect the lives of the police AND the citizens around them, the rule is that you draw your weapon because you will not accept further resistance. The driver has already performed a felony or two before they get the vehicle stopped.

Basically lives lost with no gain whatsoever.

There, Dan, we agree.

Hezbollah's agenda includes destruction of Israel. Isreal's agenda is survival and retribution against those who attack. Both involve a desire to kill others. And there is where the no-win situation comes about.

But to answer your question about who has departed or spent less time here because of the continuous crapfest this place has become: my visits here are increasingly infrequent,

Where's the loss there?:rolleyes:
I have to confess I thought you were complaining about nomorehype leaving the forum but then I noticed it was Americans you were referring too. Well lets face it the Yanks aren't exactly know for staying the distance when in an argument are they?:rolleyes:

What I mean is that I have watched you refuse to accept ANYONE ELSE'S point of view.

No, only American Republicans views, let's take a look at how well Bush's policy of bombing the crap out of everyone that doesn't tow the American line is shall we?
America bombed the crap out of Afghanistan because it wouldn't hand over BinLiner, are you still there searching no! you handed the mess over to others due to the fact that Saddam was taking the piss out of America and you wanted more than one war. Hussein was caged in by the alliance and the no fly zone, he wasn't a threat to anyone!
Who has the voice of Muslims now? Iran! Well done now we're in a worse frigging mess than before:rolleyes:

You carry on and bury your head in the sand about bombing the crap out of the world and going in all guns blazing and remember who brought IRAN to the forefront it now enjoys in the middle east:rolleyes:

We deny that the media reflects our culture accurately because anything that shows "ordinary" life won't sell.

Bollywood manages very well

Dan-cat



This was in response to my comment about no innocent citizens in Lebanon.

If the folks in Lebanon didn't kick out Hezbollah themselves, they became part of the problem. I see the parallel to this in inner cities of the USA. The druggies take over whole neighborhoods and the people who live there haven't got the guts to stand up to them. So they let it happen, then complain when nobody stops them from preying on the neighborhood.

Just remember, not to decide is to decide. If you don't want to be bombed to Hell and gone, remove the targets from your area.


That's what makes America so frigging dangerous, I challenge you again, by your definition we should have bombed the crap out of Ireland after all because it harboured terrorists they must have all been guilty!

I rest my case. :cool: :D

I'm sure Perry Mason had a gun too, just in case:p :D

These programmes are based on the abnormal.

There must be a hell of a lot of the abnormal over there then:cool: :p

there are no reasons given for their infrequency

It has been increasingly stale in here. I go through periods where I may not visit for a few weeks and when I come back, inevitibly the discussion is right where I left it. I certainly don't feel as if I'm going to miss anything.:rolleyes:

I came here over three years ago and you're still talking about the same crap. :eek:

I will drop this topic for a while, because you ( and Kraj) just don't understand what I'm getting at

I must admit, I don't really understand what you're getting at either. As far as I can see, all of the questions that you and Rich have asked have been answered many times in myriad ways, yet you still claim not to understand. Is that really possible? Or is it just that you would rather believe Hollywood instead of us?

Time and time again on US programmes we see guns, shooting, killings, blacks are bad, whites are good, we see corruption at highest levels, we see corruption at lower levels, we see street violence, knifings, we see motorists shooting each other in road rage,

the point is if Hollywood make these programmes and its all untrue, where do they base their ideas from? is it fantasy?

Short answer, yes. Hollywood churns out this crap in an effort to make money. People would rather pay to see a violent movie rather than a movie about an average Christian family going to church. I really don't understand why you keep harping on this topic anyway. I have never once watched a British show and thought that I must be learning about what life is really like over there. Fiction = Fake. The movies that you are referring to are not "true" stories.

The one-upmanship that has been going on between the movie studios doesn't help matters either. The trend the last few years however has been to steer clear of the R rating and shoot for PG-13 ratings so that more families can go and see movies together. Therefore, the amount of violence in movies has been on the decrease, thank goodness.

Ask Cindy why she keeps a gun on top the wardrobe. Ask other members why they keep an arsenal of weapons. Why do cops carry guns?

We have that gun because it was given to us by my husband's stepdad. My point I tried to make (and tried and tried ;)) way back when in the Gun Crime thread was that if I had to use it to defend myself or my family I would do so without hesitation. Does crime happen here? Yes, just as it does over there. Do murders happen here? Yes, just as they do over there. Cops carry guns because criminals are dangerous. Seems pretty self explanatory to me. :D

Lets move on to another subject

Thank goodness. ;) :p

Now, I'm going to back out of this discussion again and go back just to making light-hearted comments again, in a vain attempt to lighten the mood around here. :D

There must be a hell of a lot of the abnormal over there then:cool: :p

Nothing that can't be handled by one such as me...:p

http://www.dandare.org/hp_dan.gif

Nothing that can't be handled by one such as me...:p


I've always thought of Americans as the Mekon meself:cool: :p

We have that gun because it was given to us by my husband's stepdad. My point I tried to make (and tried and tried ;)) way back when in the Gun Crime thread was that if I had to use it to defend myself or my family I would do so without hesitation.

But we worry in case you accidentally shoot yourself in the foot Cindy, honest:D

But we worry in case you accidentally shoot yourself in the foot Cindy, honest:D

I would have thought she uses her feet to pull the trigger :eek:

I would have thought she uses her feet to pull the trigger :eek:
That's disgusting! there are children viewing this forum:mad: :p :D

I'm sure Perry Mason had a gun too, just in case:p :D

Perhaps, but then the guy he was defending was never guilty, was he? Otherwise the show would have been over too quickly. :D

But we worry in case you accidentally shoot yourself in the foot Cindy, honest:D

Thanks for your concern. :rolleyes: :p

I would have thought she uses her feet to pull the trigger

And thanks for that too. :rolleyes: :cool:

Actually, we have the stupid thing up out of reach and unloaded right now since we have a youngun.

Bollywood manages very well
So you think that Indians spend all day singing & dancing? :p

So you think that Indians spend all day singing & dancing? :p
better than running around all day shooting each other:p ;)


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14502154/

The movies that you are referring to are not "true" stories.

Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, St Valentines Day Massacre, The Lone Ranger etc. all fiction? :confused:

This was in response to my comment about no innocent citizens in Lebanon.

If the folks in Lebanon didn't kick out Hezbollah themselves, they became part of the problem.
By your own definition, if the USA folks don't sort out Bush, they become part of the problem. Bush happily kills tens of thousands of people on a whim and sends 3,000 ish Americans to their deaths. So the USA folks are also to blame? or is it different when its the USA inflicting their ideals on other countries?

Doc, just going back to the police thing - you said
In this mode of operation, the police ASSUME the worst because the driver has ALREADY SHOWN IT TO BE TRUE! Trying to force an officer off the road, trying to run down pedestrians . . . . . . . . . . the rule is that you draw your weapon because you will not accept further resistance. The driver has already performed a felony or two before they get the vehicle stopped.

we have exactly the same instances here, yet our police deal with it without the need for shouting / guns drawn / pump action shotguns etc etc. Our police deal with these perps in a firm, polite and efficient way, if necessary they may handcuff them. I think the USA police just seem to over-react all the time.:rolleyes:
Do you admit that your gun worshiping culture has forced your police along this aggressive 'Wyatt Earp' stance? it is proven (in the UK) that it is not necessary.

As I said, the dollar is the No 1 religion in the USA with the gun at No 2

Cindy - We have that gun because it was given to us by my husband's stepdad. My point I tried to make (and tried and tried ) way back when in the Gun Crime thread was that if I had to use it to defend myself or my family I would do so without hesitation

Actually, we have the stupid thing up out of reach and unloaded right now since we have a youngun
I hate to say this but your first quote and second don't mesh together. By the time you find the gun and ammo and load it - do you think the perp is going to wait?:rolleyes: you may as well get rid of the thing. Anyway, you live with Mr Universe - who in their right mind will take him on? he could kill with one sneeze:)

Col

So you think that Indians spend all day singing & dancing? :pOf course we do...:D better than running around all day shooting each other...but with only bows, arrows, and spears, we can't wreak too much havok:eek: Bonnie & Clyde, Dillinger, St Valentines Day Massacre, The Lone Ranger etc. all fiction?Not at all...don't let 'em lie to you, Rich. Why just the other day, my dear ol' Ma and her stage coach were saved from an unfriendly band of heathen savages by an unknown masked man. But the silver bullet he left behind can only mean one thing...

an unfriendly band of heathen savages
that'll be the FBI. From what we see, its best not to upset them too much either. They make the KGB seem like ameteurs:rolleyes:

Col

that'll be the FBI. From what we see, its best not to upset them too much either. They make the KGB seem like ameteurs:rolleyes:
Technically, the FBI doesn't amout to much more than glorified State Troopers. The NSA is the one to watch for...


EDIT:
oops! Better watch it. This kind of conversation will bring the wackos out of the woodwork :eek:

oops! Better watch it. This kind of conversation will bring the wackos out of the woodwork :eek:

I think Rich and Col are already up and about this morning :eek:

(just joshin' fellas :p )

I think Rich and Col are already up and about this morning :eek:

(just joshin' fellas :p )

A Yank with a sense of humour, my god! how can this be? :eek: :p

A Yank with a sense of humour, my god! how can this be? :eek: :p

It must have been that crumpet I had this morning :D

It must have been that crumpet I had this morning :D

Does your wife know? :eek:

Does your wife know? :eek:

Yes, she was the one who prepared it for me, with lots of butter :p

Yes, she was the one who prepared it for me, with lots of butter :p
You refer to hot totty as it and your wife prepared it for you:eek:
does she have a sister by the way? :confused:

You refer to hot totty as it and your wife prepared it for you:eek:

Well a crumpet is a tasty breakfast item isn't it :confused:

Well a crumpet is a tasty breakfast item isn't it :confused:
Well it could be, crumpet does have two meanings here ;)

Well a crumpet is a tasty breakfast item isn't it :confused:
Not that I am an expert, but the Crumpets I have had were pretty much what we would call a pancake.
Now fill my plate with some English bacon (not streaky), black pudding and eggs, I am there!

Not that I am an expert, but the Crumpets I have had were pretty much what we would call a pancake.

Nah, nothing like a pancake

Nah, nothing like a pancake
Like I said, the ones I have had. I would say they were pretty indistiguishable from a pancake. Consistancy was just a tad different, depending on who makes your pancakes (Crumpets were a tad more rubbery).

Like I said, the ones I have had. I would say they were pretty indistiguishable from a pancake. Consistancy was just a tad different, depending on who makes your pancakes (Crumpets were a tad more rubbery).

If you had a pancake as thick as a crumpet then the pancake wasn't cooked properly, anyway crumpets are nearly back in season:cool:

In regard to the Perry Mason sub-thread

Perhaps, but then the guy he was defending was never guilty, was he? Otherwise the show would have been over too quickly.

My dear departed Mum was a Raymond Burr fan, watched all of the old Black and White episodes. ONCE and ONCE ONLY, Perry defended a guy who was guilty. Per American guidelines, he assured that the criminal's rights were not violated and he made sure the police dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's. But at the end, Lt. Tragg figured it out. Perry was still there to assure no rights violation, but the baddie got caught. I don't recall whether Perry took the guy's money anyway.

Hmm... I believe you are using the word 'crumpet' in the same way we sometimes use the term 'cupcake' - though we also have the word 'strumpet' that seems to more closely fit the context you were using earlier.

Buttered cupcakes are really lots of fun, but washing up afterwards is much trickier than if you use something more water soluble than butter.

Given the cultural shock brought about by 9/11, Americans are probably at least partly responsible for allowing the bombing of Iraq and several other types of bombing. Now ask us if we feel remorse. While you are at it, ask Israel if they have remorse over the bombing of Lebanon.

Regret? Yes. Remorse, probably not as much. Do it again? Don't honestly know. Some wake-up calls have very negative effects. 9/11 was one of the more powerful wake-up calls.

Will we stop it? Eventually we will. Remember, though, we had 10 years of weapons production to use up. Gotta replace all the bombs with new ones, don't you know? But right now, it ticks you off so much that we might do it some more just to yank your chain.

If you had a pancake as thick as a crumpet then the pancake wasn't cooked properly, anyway crumpets are nearly back in season:cool:
OK, googling Crumpets images, these (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nmcexquisite.com/Recipes/crumpets.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nmcexquisite.com/Recipes/recipes.html&h=251&w=280&sz=14&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=VRpaEnwM9AGEBM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrumpets%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr% 3D%26sa%3DG) are more what I have had, but the other images look like exactly what I would call an English Muffin.

Hmm... I believe you are using the word 'crumpet' in the same way we sometimes use the term 'cupcake' - though we also have the word 'strumpet' that seems to more closely fit the context you were using earlier.
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Well spotted ;)

Given the cultural shock brought about by 9/11, Americans are probably at least partly responsible for allowing the bombing of Iraq and several other types of bombing. Now ask us if we feel remorse. While you are at it, ask Israel if they have remorse over the bombing of Lebanon.

Regret? Yes. Remorse, probably not as much. Do it again? Don't honestly know. Some wake-up calls have very negative effects. 9/11 was one of the more powerful wake-up calls.

Will we stop it? Eventually we will. Remember, though, we had 10 years of weapons production to use up. Gotta replace all the bombs with new ones, don't you know? But right now, it ticks you off so much that we might do it some more just to yank your chain.

So the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq was an act of revenge?

But right now, it ticks you off so much that we might do it some more just to yank your chain.
THAT's what I am talking about! Good show. :p

OK, googling Crumpets images, these (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nmcexquisite.com/Recipes/crumpets.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nmcexquisite.com/Recipes/recipes.html&h=251&w=280&sz=14&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=VRpaEnwM9AGEBM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrumpets%26svnum%3D30%26hl%3Den%26lr% 3D%26sa%3DG) are more what I have had, but the other images look like exactly what I would call an English Muffin.
Nah these are crumpets


http://www.warburtons.co.uk/bakery_snacks/images/recipe-marmite.jpg

So the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq was an act of revenge?
Pre-emptive strike against the terrorist hiders.
So says our Gov.
Wipe out the bee hive of terrorist clans hiding out in those countries.
If the information the British gave us is wrong, oh well, too bad, so sad.
:rolleyes:

Nah these are crumpets


http://www.warburtons.co.uk/bakery_snacks/images/recipe-marmite.jpg
English Muffin to US, If those are cut in half.
I love them.

If the information the British gave us is wrong, oh well, too bad, so sad.
:rolleyes:

Since when did the Yanks take any notice of our advice, or anyone elses for that matter? :rolleyes:

English Muffin to US, If those are cut in half.
I love them.

English Muffins are on sale here in Canada and I can categorically state that they're not the same thing as what the British call Crumpets.

I cannot comment on the US interpretation of the word but would be willing to do some research on the subject, of someone South of the border wants to send some up?

Note that I'm staying out of the war stuff in an experiment to see if an intentionally political thread can be sidetracked onto an irrelevant topic, or if it only works vice-versa :D

English Muffins are on sale here in Canada and I can categorically state that they're not the same thing as what the British call Crumpets.
I am going off the image, look like and English muffin cut in half (the wau I eat them, with jam). But images can be misleading. It might be we have no popular product here that is equivilant to the Crumpet. Of course every time I was in England, I never saw one (go figure), or didn't know what I what I was looking at (thought they were pancakes?)

I am going off the image, look like and English muffin cut in half (the wau I eat them, with jam). But images can be misleading. It might be we have no popular product here that is equivilant to the Crumpet. Of course every time I was in England, I never saw one (go figure), or didn't know what I what I was looking at (thought they were pancakes?)

I've had the same problem with moose in Canada. I haven't seen one that is, not I thought they were pancakes. :D

I've had the same problem with moose in Canada. I haven't seen one that is,
Serves you right for not visiting Banff:p

I am going off the image, look like and English muffin cut in half (the wau I eat them, with jam). But images can be misleading. It might be we have no popular product here that is equivilant to the Crumpet. Of course every time I was in England, I never saw one (go figure), or didn't know what I what I was looking at (thought they were pancakes?)
English muffins are quite different... as you said, you cut (or break) them in half, toast them, & put toppings on the "inside". They have a texture very much like bread.

Crumpets look like a foam sponge on the top, and flat on the bottom. I guess when they're made fresh they're fried, but if you buy them pre-made (which is the usual way) you just put them in the toaster.

I've had the same problem with moose in Canada. I haven't seen one that is, not I thought they were pancakes. :D
So easily mistaken, moose and pancakes! The moose are the ones with antlers (I think)
:p

Everything tastes like chicken anyways :P

Maybe your Crumpets look like our eggo waffles

But it doesn't do anything to degrade the bravery and sacrifice of those who received the Purple Heart, even if some of the recipients may not have been as deserving as others.


Just out of interest, the US "medal" dished out under the name of the Purple Heart medal for a broken fingernail, scratched arm etc., are on Ebay for about $10 if anyone was unlucky not to get one and wants to cheat.:rolleyes:

Col

I wonder why so many are glad to get rid of them, maybe they're worthless:eek:

I wonder why so many are glad to get rid of them, maybe they're worthless:eek:
Well I think I speculated that if everyone gets one then their meaning is diminished somewhat. Or maybe the money they get for them goes towards the hospital and doctors bills.:confused:

How far does $10 go? thats a tankfull of petrol in the US + change for a coke,burger and supersize fries.;) :D

Col

How far does $10 go? thats a tankfull of petrol in the US only if you ride a motorcycle...and you're not quite empty:eek:

Rich:

So the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq was an act of revenge?

Naw, suppressing fire. (Look it up if you are not familiar with the term.)

FYI, it is estimated based on casualty figures and ammunition consumption figures that over 90% of all rifle rounds fired in WW2 were of the nature of suppression fire. That doesn't count machine-gun rounds, for which the percentage would probably be higher. We're just using bigger ordnance than rifle bullets.

Right now, in the USA in the greater New Orleans area, we are getting something on the order of $2.50 to $2.60 for one gallon of regular unleaded gasoline. So unless you have a 4-gallon tank, that $10 isn't going very far.

Heck, a code, burger, and supersize fries is over half of your $10 right there. And heavens forfend that you would get them in a movie theater, at which point add in popcorn and take away the fries, and you are STILL right at the $10 mark. With no gasoline at all! Not counting admission to the movie.

Filled up my Cycle yesterday, 3.3 gallons of Premium cost $8.32 @ 35 MPG. I could probably get better milage, but I seem to have this issue with the loud handle on full blast most of the time with this guy in the mirror looking something like this :D staring back at me.

I fill up the 'Wing every two days @ $7-$9 a shot.

...but the truck costs $40+ every four days:eek:

Rich:



Naw, suppressing fire. (Look it up if you are not familiar with the term.)



What fire?

FYI, it is estimated based on casualty figures and ammunition consumption figures that over 90% of all rifle rounds fired in WW2 were of the nature of suppression fire. That doesn't count machine-gun rounds, for which the percentage would probably be higher. We're just using bigger ordnance than rifle bullets.


The war against the Nazis bear no comparison with what's going on in Afghanistan or Iraq! We didn't start the former

What fire?

The war against the Nazis bear no comparison with what's going on in Afghanistan or Iraq! We didn't start the former

You are truly classic rich!?#?$!$ - You have to know that being the largest operation in recent documented history, WWII was nothing short of a collosal task that, as much as you hate to admit, took the combined efforts and superior intelligence, planning, training, and talent among many other things, to pull off and luckily for Europe, Hitler didn't increase his efforts for his air defence campaign especially since he had weapons that greatly out performed the entire Allied forces.

Mainly, his array of better planes, bombs, tanks, and strategies for their deployment that never came to fruition because he was nothing more than a loser thief, a drug addicted psycho who came along at the most unfortunate time in recent history to seize power and have millions blindly follow.

So, yes, you would have absolutely been eating differently, drinking differently, wearing much different clothing, singing songs in German, after of course having to learn German or be shot, drinking a lot of Vodka, and having no future to speak of because the Old World ignored this chain of events as they unfolded under their nose and as much as you hate that the U.S., butts into other affairs of the world...THIS IS WHY!!!

So for once, at least, show respect to the greatest generation to have ever lived!

In fact, I was so greatful, I even wrote a few of the officers featured in "BAND OF BROTHERS" just to say thanks and to ask them if they remembered my grandfather, A Chinese man, who proudly served in the U.S. Army: 680th Glider Battery B Battalion and Major Richard Winters, who is most featured in this series wrote back to me with the most amazing sentiments!

Bottomline: These were men and women who fought and died so that you could be stupid today, so give thanks!!!

A lot of valid points, but...

drinking a lot of Vodka
...which is Russian
besides... where's the problem in that?
;)

A lot of valid points, but...


...which is Russian
besides... where's the problem in that?
;)

Hum... What is the alcoholic beverage Germany is famous for? (Besides beer)

Hum... What is the alcoholic beverage Germany is famous for? (Besides beer)

Jägermeister

Quellwasser

Bereausleese

Schnaps

etc

Jägermeister

Quellwasser

Bereausleese

Schnaps

etc

I've heard of Jägermeister and Schnaps but didn't realize they were German...

You are truly classic rich!?#?$!$ -
Thank you

Mainly, his array of better planes, bombs, tanks, and strategies for their deployment that never came to fruition because he was nothing more than a loser thief, a drug addicted psycho who came along at the most unfortunate time in recent history to seize power and have millions blindly follow.

Actually his weapons weren't better, I doubt you've ever heard of them but look up The Spitfire and T34, Typhoon etc.

So, yes, you would have absolutely been eating differently, drinking differently, wearing much different clothing, singing songs in German, after of course having to learn German or be shot, drinking a lot of Vodka, and having no future to speak of because the Old World ignored this chain of events as they unfolded under their nose and as much as you hate that the U.S., butts into other affairs of the world...THIS IS WHY!!!


Not that tired old sock "we saved you from speaking German", that's been taken apart here so many times it's now becoming rather boring. Use the search function if you wish to find the truth.:rolleyes:

So for once, at least, show respect to the greatest generation to have ever lived!

You mean the generation that started WW11 in the first place, isn't that contrary to what you said earlier?:confused:

In fact, I was so greatful, I even wrote a few of the officers featured in "BAND OF BROTHERS" just to say thanks and to ask them if they remembered my grandfather, A Chinese man, who proudly served in the U.S. Army: 680th Glider Battery B Battalion and Major Richard Winters, who is most featured in this series wrote back to me with the most amazing sentiments!

You forgot to mention though that the countless thousand Blacks were segregated and treat like sh*t during the conflict

Bottomline: These were men and women who fought and died so that you could be stupid today, so give thanks!!!

A lecture from a Yank on remembrance, no I don't bloody think so, I see the scars of that war every day!:rolleyes:

So, yes, you would have absolutely been eating differently, drinking differently, wearing much different clothing, singing songs in German, after of course having to learn German or be shot, drinking a lot of Vodka, and having no future to speak of

Again I suggest you expand your history research to outside the USA, where you will find that
a) Vodka is in fact Russian not German,
b) shooting people is an American hobby ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5387062.stm),
c) Germans wear similar clothes to the rest of Europe,
d) Due to the Common Market, beverages from all European nations are available all over Europe. Its certainly better than that US coke stuff, or that poisoned water Coca Cola tried to sell us (Dasani) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3566233.stm)


Col

A lecture from a Yank on remembrance,
Rich, don't forget that the Americans always have rememberance for something.
Remember 2 or 3 weeks ago when you couldn't watch any programme without seeing those bloody towers falling down and having that rammed down our throats - dramatic on 11/9/01 - but a bit boring now.

Col

Again I suggest you expand your history research to outside the USA, where you will find that
a) Vodka is in fact Russian not German,
b) shooting people is an American hobby ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5387062.stm),
c) Germans wear similar clothes to the rest of Europe,
d) Due to the Common Market, beverages from all European nations are available all over Europe. Its certainly better than that US coke stuff, or that poisoned water Coca Cola tried to sell us (Dasani) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3566233.stm)


Col


Sorry Col, but did you note that :

-Vodka is beeing produced at Russia, Czech Rep, Hungary and Germany and they all taste different
- Shooting is being exercised by the UK police as well :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4712061.stm
- Germans may dress considerably different from other EU countries, especially in Bavaria, Feldgrau, and the Leipzig area
- Typical beverage from various EU countries are very much different from each other. I listed a couple of German ones above and like to add: Killepitsch, Flügerl , Himbeergeist , Underberg . Let alone the diffence between Chateauneuf du Pape, dutch jenever and Portugese faellanisa.

That's what make this world interesting : the differences ! :cool:

Thanks Rak - I was actually aware of all that. The reason for my blanket answer was to see if our American colleague who dwells in the past picked up on it:rolleyes:

Not to worry:D ;)

Col

I was actually aware of all that. Not to worry:


I'm not sure. I do and I don't. :(

Btw where is Barry, haven't seen him for a while ?

Btw where is Barry, haven't seen him for a while ?
He's probobly off on tour somewhere with his band. Or maybe he's out spending my royalties of my CD "getting more bookings" (as he tells me):rolleyes:

Col

Sorry Col, but did you note that :

-Vodka is beeing produced at Russia, Czech Rep, Hungary and Germany and they all taste different
Don't forget Poland! That Poles make some wonderful Vodka. Mmmm.... Pirat... :)

FIO Vodka is also made in Warrington!

Brian

Don't forget Poland! That Poles make some wonderful Vodka. Mmmm.... Pirat... :)

My list was not intended to include all relevant countries :D , but you're right
the Polish gorzałka is certainly one of it's kind. ( 's been a while that I drank that ) ;)
Ever tasted the Scandinavian degvīns, swedish vodka ? :cool:


Vodka is also made in Warrington!


To be perfectly honest Brain, I never tasted the Vladivar.
Can you sent over a bottle ? :rolleyes:

Ever tasted the Scandinavian degvīns, swedish vodka ? :cool:
I don't think so. I'm not much of a vodka connoisseur; I mostly drink it with mixers so the nuances are lost on me. I was recently gifted Pirat vodka from Poland which was the first time I actually enjoyed the flavor of a straight vodka.

I hate vodka, may aswell just drink some metholated spirits... cheaper and tastes the same.

Hello boys and girls.
I've noticed you've all gone a bit off topic on my thread.
Keep up the good work! :D

I hate vodka, may aswell just drink some metholated spirits... cheaper and tastes the same.
How do you know? :confused:

may aswell just drink some metholated spirits

How do you know?

He's 19 and he's Australian?

He's 19 and he's Australian?
But I thought they ate roo steaks and drank gnats p*ss, I mean lager:confused: :D

But I thought they ate roo steaks and drank gnats p*ss, I mean lager:confused: :Dhmmm..."Fosters: Australian for gnats p*ss".

Catchy, but I don't think they'll be using that one anytime soon...:D

Thats a cultural stereotype - they'll drink anything!;)

- they'll drink anything!;)
And they wear hats rimmed with corks to stop them from drowning

As an Australian, I feel I should be offended... but I'm too busy laughing :D

lol i think its funny too, lucky im full blooded german. Plus i think any aussie would agree with you when you say they drink anything, as long as it will get you drunk.

Ive smelt and tried vodka and ive smelt metho, i cant tell the difference.

Personaly i like wheatbeer like Erdinger.

i think any aussie would agree with you when you say they drink anything, as long as it will get you drunk.I don't personally, but there seem to be a lot that do.
I think I've only been drunk 2 or 3 times in my life.

Ive smelt and tried vodka and ive smelt metho, i cant tell the difference.Must have been cheap crappy vodka then... or maybe top quality metho? :p

And they wear hats rimmed with corks to stop them from drowning

lol, hey only bushmen where those things.

I don't personally, but there seem to be a lot that do.
I think I've only been drunk 2 or 3 times in my life.

lol r u kidding!, ive been drunk 3 times in a week. When i say aussies drink anything i mean only the sterotypical "blokes" with beer guts and a singlet.

lol r u kidding!, ive been drunk 3 times in a week.
Yeah... I describe myself as an antisocial, social drinker :p

Yeah... I describe myself as an antisocial, social drinker :p

Lol, i see. How old are you if you dont mind me asking?

31...

The times I've been drunk are:
Mate's 18th
Another mate's 18th (was not really really drunk though)
My buck's night (god I hate Tequila...)

What about their 21st's and your 21st and your 18th?

Didn't drink that much... maybe got a little tipsy, but nowhere near what I'd call drunk.

hey....... Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth.

he's just about down and out now.......a couple more good boofs in the head and he'll be out !

Today is yet another milestone in US history - 4000 soldiers now killed in Iraq since 2003. Bush says the war on terror is working. Isn't that great news?

:rolleyes:

Col

It's certainly given work to a lot of undertakers. What else it may have accomplished escapes me.

Oh yeah, long lines at the airport.

Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth.

If people are allowed to talk freely about the destruction GWB is doing to the USA, Iraq and the rest of the world then that is a good start.

I know that people are scared to say anything against Bush and the Iraq war etc, in the real world, so this thread may give you confidence to say what you like in public after reading replies in this thread.

If free speech is not stifled by laws like the Patriot Act etc, then we should hope to see a quicker end to the evils of Bush and his administration and a return to a more healthier and peaceful world.


Except for one other thing: Why were we attacked in the first place by Al Quida and what has been the GWB administration or previous administrations
involvement that brought all this to bear?

:mad:

Except for one other thing: Why were we attacked in the first place by Al Quida and what has been the GWB administration or previous administrations
involvement that brought all this to bear?

:mad:

What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?:rolleyes:

What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?:rolleyes:

Nothing. It was GWB wanting to finish what his Daddy didn't do.

Now it's cost 4,000 US lives and well over 100,000 Iraqi lives.

Job well done?

Col

Nothing. It was GWB wanting to finish what his Daddy didn't do.

Now it's cost 4,000 US lives and well over 100,000 Iraqi lives.

Job well done?

Col

Careful Col, you finally said somthing I agree with.
Actually, when "W" was elected I knew it was only a matter of time before the Iraq situation was going to return.

Actually, when "W" was elected I knew it was only a matter of time before the Iraq situation was going to return.

It never went away. Clinton also had to deal with it, and so will the person after Dubya.

Careful Col, you finally said somthing I agree with.


I am an agreeable sort of person.

Col

I am an agreeable sort of person.

Col

Oddly enough, it seems to happen about once per year. :D

I was watching the news before coming to work this morning and it was reported that Iran now has the capability of sending a missile to the United Kingdom. That is what will be included on the plate of the next president.

I was watching the news before coming to work this morning and it was reported that Iran now has the capability of sending a missile to the United Kingdom.

We've known this for ages in the UK.:rolleyes:

Nice that you're up with the latest news in the USA.

Col

From the point of view of invasion, Iran is a tricky problem. Lousy terrain for tanks, lots of ambush sites, tailor made for defence and not for attack.

The US has backed off on Iran in the past few months because they realize that invading and defeating Iran is a major undertaking that might cause hundreds of thousand of US casualties. Iran also has a large professional army and there is at least some possibility that they might invade the US.

From the point of view of invasion, Iran is a tricky problem. Lousy terrain for tanks, lots of ambush sites, tailor made for defence and not for attack.

The US has backed off on Iran in the past few months because they realize that invading and defeating Iran is a major undertaking that might cause hundreds of thousand of US casualties. Iran also has a large professional army and there is at least some possibility that they might invade the US.

With Iran's treats of wiping Israel off the map and Israel stating they would rather fight Iran that is not armed with nuclear weapons, Israel is looking like they could possible be the first ones to jump in.

From the point of view of invasion, Iran is a tricky problem. Lousy terrain for tanks, lots of ambush sites, tailor made for defence and not for attack.

The US has backed off on Iran in the past few months because they realize that invading and defeating Iran is a major undertaking that might cause hundreds of thousand of US casualties. Iran also has a large professional army and there is at least some possibility that they might invade the US.

The US has backed off because invading Iran would make Iraq like a sunday stroll.

Plus the world backlash would finish the USA - already the most hated country, how worse do you want to be?

Col

With Iran's treats of wiping Israel off the map and Israel stating they would rather fight Iran that is not armed with nuclear weapons, Israel is looking like they could possible be the first ones to jump in.

Iran has threatened to wipe out a lot of countires.

With the exception of Iraq, how many did they actually attack?

The Iranians may be bombasts but they are not stupid. If you start shooting at Israel, they have a nasty habit of shooting back with great effect.

The US has backed off because invading Iran would make Iraq like a sunday stroll.

Plus the world backlash would finish the USA - already the most hated country, how worse do you want to be?

Col

Bush isnt afraid of anyone on this planet because he has friends in certain places
http://blog.syracuse.com/newstracker/2007/08/large_tabloid.jpg
and a guaranteed seat on the mother ship if this world domination thing doesnt pan out.

It's nice to know he still has some support.
Pity the aliens can't vote.

It's nice to know he still has some support.
Pity the aliens can't vote.

But they are doing an excellent job picking all the vegetables when they remember to wash their hands.

This thread proves to me that kool-aid drinkers are not just in the USA

This thread proves to me that kool-aid drinkers are not just in the USA

Never heard of it.

I had some Gatoraid the other day in an airport - is was awful, I binned it after two swigs.

Col

Maybe the UK news didn't cover Jim Jones' sect very well?

Maybe the UK news didn't cover Jim Jones' sect very well?

We're well aware of Warren, Waco, etc., etc, just goes to justify the belief that the US is full of nutters...............

the US is full of nutters...............

I can't disagree. But please elaborate. Are you saying there are not nutters in other places?

http://www.bushslastday.com/bldflashclock/012009Clock.swf

Are you saying there are not nutters in other places?

No, just not so many

It's nice to know he still has some support.
Pity the aliens can't vote.

Yes they can - don't Travolta, Cruise and all their Scientology chums believe they came from Venus? Perhaps Georgie is the re-incarnation of L Ron himself.....

Never heard of it.

I had some Gatoraid the other day in an airport - is was awful, I binned it after two swigs.

Col

Gatorade is an electrolite and salt replacement drink. You're supposed to drink it after a serious round of exercise with excessive perspiring.
I can't think of any reason why you would drink it unless you have to although it is making it's way into the vending machines here as well. It's being marketed like a soft drink "a healthy version of Coke for guys with ripped abs".

No, just not so many

What about Tony B et al?

It has been my experience that "nutters" in the UK are generally referred to by more pleasant names, like eccentric.

Gatorade is an electrolite and salt replacement drink. You're supposed to drink it after a serious round of exercise with excessive perspiring.
I can't think of any reason why you would drink it unless you have to although it is making it's way into the vending machines here as well. It's being marketed like a soft drink "a healthy version of Coke for guys with ripped abs".

And a smoker with bad ticker doesn't exactly paint the picture of a health nut does it... No wonder he hated it :p

It's available in a number of different flavours. Some are almost drinkable. Most taste like bin feed.
Next time I see some in the corner store, I think I'll do a label check. Calories, carbs etc. between Coke and Gatorade.

Gatorade is an electrolite and salt replacement drink. You're supposed to drink it after a serious round of exercise with excessive perspiring.
I can't think of any reason why you would drink it unless you have to although it is making it's way into the vending machines here as well. It's being marketed like a soft drink "a healthy version of Coke for guys with ripped abs".

It was on sale in a vending machine at Stansted Airport in Essex. I had heard of it in one of Paul Simons' songs (Papa Hobo I think) so decided to try it, I had no idea it was a health type drink, like Lucozade.


And a smoker with bad ticker doesn't exactly paint the picture of a health nut does it... No wonder he hated it

I can't quite see what having a heart problem has to do with the like or dislike of a drink, can you expand on this theory please? (or will you do what you normally do and ignore any pressing questions)

Are you saying that anyone who does not have a heart problem would like it?

Col

Hmmm...Gatorade tastes pretty bad, unless you're dehydrated. I used to love to gulp down a bottle after (American) football practice.

Definitely not a health drink...it's designed to keep extreme athletes hydrated, especially those who play (American) football in the extreme Florida climate.

I think it has a rather high sodium level which might make it undesirable for heart patients, especially those with high blood pressure.

Kool aid drinker defined - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kool+Aid+Drinker

Hmmm...Gatorade tastes pretty bad, unless you're dehydrated. I used to love to gulp down a bottle after (American) football practice.

Definitely not a health drink...it's designed to keep extreme athletes hydrated, especially those who play (American) football in the extreme Florida climate.

I think it has a rather high sodium level which might make it undesirable for heart patients, especially those with high blood pressure.

And a lot of smokers I've seen have a hard time catching their breath, much less breaking a sweat so dehydration is rarely an issue :p

And a lot of smokers I've seen have a hard time catching their breath, much less breaking a sweat so dehydration is rarely an issue :p

I don't smoke, but I got dehydrated standing still in Texas. :D

Brian

...I got dehydrated standing still in Texas. :D

Brian

Sounds like a Jerry Reed ditty :p

Who? do I need to Google?

Brian

Yep, I got him.

Brian

Damn having read it I feel so stupid, guess my trip down South fried my brains.

Looking at the candidates for November I'm ready to give george Bush a third term.

Yeah... I just saw loud mouth talking trash and being bold now that she don't have to live up to any of it....

Yeah... I just saw loud mouth talking trash and being bold now that she don't have to live up to any of it....

Surely she'll be Vice President?:confused:

Vice president? I have two words for Obama if he's thinking this - Vince Foster. She would be just a heartbeat away from the presidency and I think the Clinton's know how to stop the heartbeat of those who get in their way.

What actually is a 'running mate'? Is that the person who would be Vice Prez if the leader gets in?

If not, what is the purpose of this 'running mate'?

Col

What actually is a 'running mate'? Is that the person who would be Vice Prez if the leader gets in?

If not, what is the purpose of this 'running mate'?

Col

It's the one that'll take over when Barak gets bumped off and then he or she'll lead them even further into the mire, like Johnson..........................

Truth be told, there are very few US Vice Presidents who did not leave office much better golfers than when they started.
I think Hillary will probably be offered the VP nod, but as she has struck me as being an all or nothing sort, she'll probably turn it down.

The concept of running mate goes back to the early days of the US. Both the President and Vice President had to be from the same party. Otherwise, if you had a Republican president and a Democrat vice president and the Congress was controlled by the Democrats, the Democrats might just cook up some phony charges, impeach the president and get their man in as president.
No references, that was the way it was explained to me.

The concept of running mate goes back to the early days of the US. Both the President and Vice President had to be from the same party. Otherwise, if you had a Republican president and a Democrat vice president and the Congress was controlled by the Democrats, the Democrats might just cook up some phony charges, impeach the president and get their man in as president.
No references, that was the way it was explained to me.

Hmmm...as I recall my US History classes, initially the VP was the loser from the opposing party. Having a running mate came along later. I think the reason they changed it was because of the possibility of such intrigue.

Not sure why they ever cared about impeachment, Bill Clinton was impeached and all that happened to him was Hillary yelled at him. Since she probably always did that anyway, it was business as usual for him.

I think some state governor races still appoint the losing candidate as Leiutenant Governor. I think I recall something like that from my 4th grade Florida history class.

One thought is that Hillary wants Obama to lose big in November. Then she can return to try again in 2012. If Barak wins he will surely become the automatic candidate for 2012 and that wouldn't be good for her.

One thought is that Hillary wants Obama to lose big in November. Then she can return to try again in 2012. If Barak wins he will surely become the automatic candidate for 2012 and that wouldn't be good for her.

Doesn't she have to win again in New York in 2010?
Note, I forget when she was elected so my math might be off.

Hmmm...as I recall my US History classes, initially the VP was the loser from the opposing party. Having a running mate came along later. I think the reason they changed it was because of the possibility of such intrigue.

Not sure why they ever cared about impeachment, Bill Clinton was impeached and all that happened to him was Hillary yelled at him. Since she probably always did that anyway, it was business as usual for him.

I think some state governor races still appoint the losing candidate as Leiutenant Governor. I think I recall something like that from my 4th grade Florida history class.

I believe you are correct about the running mate. I said early days, not the beginning and this was an explanation of the process given to me by an American.

California is one such state. There was a story about 10 years ago that everytime the Democratic governor left the state, the Republican lt. governor would sign Executive orders and the like that the Governor didn't like.
He had to spend the first few days after his return cancelling everything his subordinate had done. Got to the point that the Governor rarely left the state at all.

And a smoker with bad ticker doesn't exactly paint the picture of a health nut does it... No wonder he hated it

I can't quite see what having a heart problem has to do with the like or dislike of a drink, can you expand on this theory please? (or will you do what you normally do and ignore any pressing questions)

Are you saying that anyone who does not have a heart problem would like it?

Ken, you forgot to answer my question - just thought I'd post it again to remind you.

Col

Wow, you consider that a pressing question?

There are many studies that link drinking to heart health. Some of them are positive and some are negative (towards drinking).

Though I know of no studies to prove this, I imagine that drinking too much can kill you, thus proving fatal to your heart (please note, this is my opinion, as I've tried to say several times in this sentence in my pidgeon English). Perhaps that what Ken was thinking (also my opinion).

... in my pidgeon English)

That'd be a bad 'klok', or a 'klok' attach then?

http://www.june29.com/HLP/lang/pidgin.html

:p

There are many studies that link drinking to heart health. Some of them are positive and some are negative (towards drinking).

We were talking about Gatorade - Ken eluded to the fact that as I had a heart condition earlier this year it is "no wonder he hated it"

Therefore, Ken seems to have exclusive knowlege that a person who has had a heart condition would dislike Gatorade and those who have not had a heart condition would like it.

So - what is the research on this? Is the drink Gatorade only disliked by those with a previous heart condition?

I can't quite work out why Ken would think I should dislike it. It's like saying I drive a Honda motorbike so therefore I can't like ice-cream.

I can't see the link - therefore maybe Ken can explain his logic.

Col

I won't speak for Ken, but in my opinion throwing out the Gatorade was a sign of good taste, not bad health.

I drive a BMW, what do I dislike? :D

I won't speak for Ken, but in my opinion throwing out the Gatorade was a sign of good taste, not bad health.

I drive a BMW, what do I dislike? :D
If you're driving it in Ontario, indicating before changing lanes? :D

Followed closely by driving at 60 km/hr in the passing lane of the 401.

Near which city, town or village do you reside?

Followed closely by driving at 60 km/hr in the passing lane of the 401.



How slow? The buses go faster than that here:eek:

We were talking about Gatorade - Ken eluded to the fact that as I had a heart condition earlier this year it is "no wonder he hated it"

Therefore, Ken seems to have exclusive knowlege that a person who has had a heart condition would dislike Gatorade and those who have not had a heart condition would like it.

So - what is the research on this? Is the drink Gatorade only disliked by those with a previous heart condition?

I can't quite work out why Ken would think I should dislike it. It's like saying I drive a Honda motorbike so therefore I can't like ice-cream.

I can't see the link - therefore maybe Ken can explain his logic.

Col

Sorry Col. I remember that now. Thanks for straightening me out.

I kinda got what Ken said at that time because I thought that Gatorade had a very high sodium content (I could be wrong). Since sodium is linked to high blood pressure and high blood pressure is linked to heart problems...

Sorry Col. I remember that now. Thanks for straightening me out.

I kinda got what Ken said at that time because I thought that Gatorade had a very high sodium content (I could be wrong). Since sodium is linked to high blood pressure and high blood pressure is linked to heart problems...

Yes I see that, but that doesn't preclude me from liking it or not. I have salt on food.
But Ken eluded to the fact that if you have a heart condition it's 'no wonder he didn't like it' - therefore, Kens logic dictates - if you don't have a heart condition you must like it - but I'm guessing there must be peo