They seem like a reasonable bunch.Of course we are:D


Some of us simply have a low threshold on the bulls--t-o-meter.;)

Of course we are:D


Some of us simply have a low threshold on the bulls--t-o-meter.;)
Alternatively, take that sentence to mean "Some of us don't like to hear stuff we don't agree with, so we stick our fingers in our ears and ignore them".

Alternatively, take that sentence to mean "Some of us don't like to hear stuff we don't agree with, so we stick our fingers in our ears and ignore them".

Some of us don't like to hear windbags, so we stick our fingers in our ears and ignore them... :D :D :D

Some of us don't like to hear windbags, so we stick our fingers in our ears and ignore them... :D :D :D
What a pity then as a nation you didn't do the same when Bush started with his crap!:rolleyes:

What a pity then as a nation you didn't do the same when Bush started with his crap!:rolleyes:

:eek: Two points! :p

Some of us don't like to hear windbags, so we stick our fingers in our ears and ignore them... :D :D :D
:eek: :cool:
So, now you know my stance on the NRA, what's your beef with them?

What a pity then as a nation you didn't do the same when Bush started with his crap!:rolleyes:If it makes a difference, I try to ignore him, too:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=nomorehype]

Originally Posted by Kraj
If you're going to chide me for failing to read your posts, perhaps you could avoid looking like a total jackass by actually reading mine


Hang on, you're American, right? Then why would anyone in the world give a t*ss about whether you think they're a jackass? Your 'opinions' are simply the result of random synapses firing in the vaccuum between your ears.

QUOTE]

That's your best answer and come back. It's not even coming close to addressing what Kraj said. You come back with one of your typical American slams rather than actually addressing it? It's not as much fun to play with someone who can out match you, uh? You let me know yesterday I was no match for you. Your probably right, but then Kraj is a different story, so have fun.

When you re-establish your IQ at a level a bit higher than the 'sleeps with his sister' and 'they should all be shot' comments we'll talk... :):):)

So your group, consisting of you, one presumes, doesn't happen to to agree with the whole world. But of course /you're/ right, and they're all wrong. Okay, no probs, I got it.

Saying that 'conventional wisdom' supports your argument is like saying 'God is on my side' when going to war. It's worthless because it is an argument from authority. Try building some of your own arguments and take responsibility for them when they fail.


Hang on, you're American, right? Then why would anyone in the world give a t*ss about whether you think they're a jackass? Your 'opinions' are simply the result of random synapses firing in the vaccuum between your ears.

The sky is still blue even if no-one cared if it wasn't. Much like your supposed jack-assed nature.


I communicated, you misinterpreted. QED.

A simple case of cause and effect. Bad communication causes mis-interpretation. QED indeed.


D'oh, more random synapses... I 'cared' to point out that you misinterpreted something. The fact that you /did/ misinterpret it is, as I pointed out, tough sh*t.

Perhaps a little more 'care' in your communication would be in order. Prevention is better that cure, as they say.


Sort of like "You're a retard. Oh, but I was only kidding" ? Problem with that hypothesis is that I don't overly care how you feel about it.

I think we're getting to the root of the problem here. Your lack of care, it seems.

I can't be bothered to play pedant by pointing out the numerous innacuracies of your own diatribes.

Indeed, why would you care to?

I'm afraid the mere fact that I believe it to be true means you're unlikely to change my mind simply by whining about it.

If whining is so reprehensible to you, why do you do so much of it?

It won't be long before this gets boring, but I'm not quite there yet.

....

Actually, I got about half way through and got bored. Your crap, nomorehype, has ceased to be entertaining and is not even the tiniest bit challenging to respond to. I mean, you've given me nothing to work with here. For as many posts as you've managed to spew out in such a short period, you've managed to avoid being the slightest bit interesting. You're just beligerant. *Yawn*

I'll finish up with a portion of the reponse I had been working on, and then I'll most likely just ignore you:

It was quite apparent from the first time you opened your mouth that you don't give a damn what anyone thinks, especially Americans and especially someone like me. It's just that, in my experience, more often than not when I think someone is behaving like a total ass, the majority of the people here are in agreement with me. I certainly have my moments when I'm less-than level-headed, but I've been complimented on my ability to be reasonable, intelligent and rational by just about every regular poster here (from all over the world, not just the U.S.) at one time or another.

So, though by no means do I speak for everyone here but I am fairly confident that even those here who agree with your general sentiment agree with my opinion on your poor behavior. And if you don't give a toss what anyone here thinks, then why exactly are you even posting here?

Oh, and by the way... I deleted my post as soon as I saw you and Dan had agreed to drop it. That's what a reasonable person does. You could have easily done the same, but you'd rather perpetuate a conflict. No moral high ground for you, I'm afraid.

EDIT: Dan, that response was absolutely delicious.

When you re-establish your IQ at a level a bit higher than the 'sleeps with his sister' and 'they should all be shot' comments we'll talk... :):):)
awww, you just gettin' tetchy. Twas nuttin' more to take notice of than the guy from CHiPS

It won't be long before this gets boring, but I'm not quite there yet.

It's a bit like playing with a half-dead mouse... :D


EDIT: Dan, that response was absolutely delicious.

Just trying to entertain the troops whilst Rich and Col are in the bed :p

[QUOTE=nomorehype]

Originally Posted by Kraj
If you're going to chide me for failing to read your posts, perhaps you could avoid looking like a total jackass by actually reading mine


Hang on, you're American, right? Then why would anyone in the world give a t*ss about whether you think they're a jackass? Your 'opinions' are simply the result of random synapses firing in the vaccuum between your ears.

QUOTE]

That's your best answer and come back. It's not even coming close to addressing what Kraj said. You come back with one of your typical American slams rather than actually addressing it? It's not as much fun to play with someone who can out match you, uh? You let me know yesterday I was no match for you. Your probably right, but then Kraj is a different story, so have fun.

Now *this* is interesting. I'm happy to confess to being new here, so maybe I read the rules wrong. Are you suggesting that the reason d'etre of this forum is only to score 'points' from each other, so that one person wins and another loses purely based on their ability to deride their opponents argument? Damn, you should have /said/ - I'd have put more effort into the posts! I thought we merely exchanged views...
But anyway, as for your point, I react as I find. Ad hominem attacks were posted /to/ me some time before they came /from/ me.

ROFL....

Just to add to the sheer hilarity of it all, I present to you, ladies and gentlemen, normorehype's first post: (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=503955&postcount=242)

You haven't? Perhaps you haven't been looking very hard then. Here's an example, I didn't look too far for it, just a couple of posts away from your own.

...

"All we have to do is click our fingers..." Now I know you chaps aren't exactly renowned for your sensitivity, but I'm reasonably confident even the Merkin mentality is strong enough to work out that a Brit would find that comment extremely offensive.
Gee, don't be so touchy. I mean, dan-cat wasn't intentionally offensive. It's not his fault if you interepreted it that way... :rolleyes:

It's a bit like playing with a half-dead mouse... :D





Mrs Bush would know all about that

Damn, Rich, you're on a roll today!

Now *this* is interesting. I'm happy to confess to being new here, so maybe I read the rules wrong. Are you suggesting that the reason d'etre of this forum is only to score 'points' from each other, so that one person wins and another loses purely based on their ability to deride their opponents argument? Damn, you should have /said/ - I'd have put more effort into the posts! I thought we merely exchanged views...
But anyway, as for your point, I react as I find. Ad hominem attacks were posted /to/ me some time before they came /from/ me.
See the funny thing here is that what Shane is saying is that you're not exchanging ideas, all you are doing is trying to score points. It's interesting how you're trying to turn it around on him.

I also find it hilarious that you claim to be victimized by ad hominem attacks when the post you made which prompted me to respond was one big, ad hominem attack.

Thanks for kicking the entertainment factor back up a notch!

I mean, dan-cat wasn't intentionally offensive.
Nah, he's just an American

awww, you just gettin' tetchy. Twas nuttin' more to take notice of than the guy from CHiPS

Yeah - :D The Chips thing should have thrown up the big red flag of just how smart a bloke you are huh... :p

Is the 'tetchy' thing some kind of UK slang? :confused:

Mmmm.... you're slipping. Sorry, just wasn't up to par, Rich. Care to try again?

Nah, he's just an American

I think somebody doesn't like not being the center of attention ...:p

It won't be long before this gets boring, but I'm not quite there yet.

....

Actually, I got about half way through and got bored. Your crap, nomorehype, has ceased to be entertaining and is not even the tiniest bit challenging to respond to. I mean, you've given me nothing to work with here. For as many posts as you've managed to spew out in such a short period, you've managed to avoid being the slightest bit interesting. You're just beligerant. *Yawn*

I'll finish up with a portion of the reponse I had been working on, and then I'll most likely just ignore you:

It was quite apparent from the first time you opened your mouth that you don't give a damn what anyone thinks, especially Americans and especially someone like me. It's just that, in my experience, more often than not when I think someone is behaving like a total ass, the majority of the people here are in agreement with me. I certainly have my moments when I'm less-than level-headed, but I've been complimented on my ability to be reasonable, intelligent and rational by just about every regular poster here (from all over the world, not just the U.S.) at one time or another.

So, though by no means do I speak for everyone here but I am fairly confident that even those here who agree with your general sentiment agree with my opinion on your poor behavior. And if you don't give a toss what anyone here thinks, then why exactly are you even posting here?

Oh, and by the way... I deleted my post as soon as I saw you and Dan had agreed to drop it. That's what a reasonable person does. You could have easily done the same, but you'd rather perpetuate a conflict. No moral high ground for you, I'm afraid.

EDIT: Dan, that response was absolutely delicious.


Hello, Obiwan. I've now been reliably informed that I'm playing here with the master, so I'll be sure to try hard.
I'm not /attempting/ to be "challenging to respond to", because unfortunately I wasn't aware that was the scoring system of the game. My bad, as you guys say.
You're right though in that I don't overly care what Americans think, because I'm firmly of the opinion that they are warmongerers and wont be around long in the great scheme of things. But hey, that's just my opinion. I'm not sure what you mean by "especially someone like me (you)" though - feel free to either elucidate, or not, as the feeling takes you :)

Hello, Obiwan. I've now been reliably informed that I'm playing here with the master, so I'll be sure to try hard.
Actually, it's more like Yoda.

[QUOTE=ShaneMan]

Now *this* is interesting. I'm happy to confess to being new here, so maybe I read the rules wrong. Are you suggesting that the reason d'etre of this forum is only to score 'points' from each other, so that one person wins and another loses purely based on their ability to deride their opponents argument? Damn, you should have /said/ - I'd have put more effort into the posts! I thought we merely exchanged views...
But anyway, as for your point, I react as I find. Ad hominem attacks were posted /to/ me some time before they came /from/ me.

Are you dyslexic? How do you read what someone post and then answer way out in left field? All I was asking is "are you having as much fun trying to verbally slap people around who are more in your league of play?"
Does that help you to understand what I was saying better? As far as you being the messager attacked...maybe you better go back to your first post. I believe you called down the thunder all on your own. Come on your smarter than me I shouldn't be explaining things to you. Your better than that.:)

I think somebody doesn't like not being the center of attention ...:p
That can't be me, I'm not American

That can't be me, I'm not American
*tsk tsk* You were showing so much promise today....

You're right though in that I don't overly care what Americans think, because I'm firmly of the opinion that they are warmongerers and wont be around long in the great scheme of things.

I knew it, you're a Jehovah's Witness. Should never have let you into the house :mad: :p

[QUOTE=nomorehype]

All I was asking is "are you having as much fun trying to verbally slap people around who are more in your league of play?"
Any different to the American way of bombs and bullets? :rolleyes:

*tsk tsk* You were showing so much promise today....

I think we may have been at the sauce this evening :p

Any different to the American way of bombs and bullets? :rolleyes:
Hmmm.... better. Still needs some work, though.

I think we may have been at the sauce this evening :p
Sounds like a plan to me. Apple Martini's, anyone? I can make really good ones!

I knew it, you're a Jehovah's Witness.
thought bible punchers were right up Americas alley :rolleyes:

Any different to the American way of bombs and bullets? :rolleyes:

Nice try Rich. Find another mouse you can chase around.;)

Sounds like a plan to me. Apple Martini's, anyone? I can make really good ones!

We'll have our work cut out to catch up with Richy-boy :D

Chin chin ...

Nice try Rich. Find another mouse you can chase around.;)
Don't need one, I cite the events of the last 50yrs in evidence :rolleyes:

Dunno... Rich strikes me as vodka stright-up kinda guy, though he appreciates a good beer social.

Nice try Rich. Find another mouse you can chase around.;)
It's not mice he chases, it's pussy.

:D Sorry...had to.

Mrs Bush would know all about that

Just to let you know this one didn't get lost in the rapid replies, cause this was actually pretty funny.:D

Dunno... Rich strikes me as vodka stright-up kinda guy, though he appreciates a good beer social.


It's not mice he chases, it's pussy.

:D Sorry...had to.

:eek: Do you think he knows what to do with it when it finds it?

:eek: Do you think he knows what to do with it when it finds it?
He's filled more than one pram :cool: :rolleyes:

He's filled more than one pram :cool: :rolleyes:

That was then. I figured at your age you may not remember what your suppose to do once you catch it.;)

That was then. I figured at your age you may not remember what your suppose to do once you catch it.;)
No different to you then

Well, Shane, it's just like riding a bycicle - once you learn you never forget, but damned if you can ever keep the damn thing upright for very long. :D

Well, Shane, it's just like riding a bycicle - once you learn you never forget, but damned if you can ever keep the damn thing upright for very long. :D

I think it was George Burns who said that once you get to a certain age then "it's like shooting pool with a rope.":D The heart is willing the flesh is weak.

"it's like shooting pool with a rope.":D The heart is willing the flesh is weak.
Speak for yourself :cool:

Yeah - :D The Chips thing should have thrown up the big red flag of just how smart a bloke you are huh... :p

Is the 'tetchy' thing some kind of UK slang? :confused:
Again, I've not claimed to be smart. Oh, and I remembered his name - its Estrada, or something close. And I didn't even use Google to help :)
Still, in answer to your point. Okay, I unreservedly apologise for the incest thing - it was meant as a joke, pandering to the stereotype of the 'good ole boys' with the gunrack in back of the pickup. I accept that it wasn't funny even if it was intended that way, and I'm sorry for offence caused by it.

ROFL....

Just to add to the sheer hilarity of it all, I present to you, ladies and gentlemen, normorehype's first post: (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=503955&postcount=242)


Gee, don't be so touchy. I mean, dan-cat wasn't intentionally offensive. It's not his fault if you interepreted it that way... :rolleyes:

You're right, it isn't his fault how I interpret it. The question I replied to, or rather the statement, was that no American had been so offensive as a particular Brit had. In showing that I had indeed taken offence at an American post, I proved the point that the post /was/ offensive. You're really rather proving my argument for me - it may not (in fact probably /was/ not) intended in an offensive manner, but it was taken in that way IRRESPECTIVE of the posters intention. See?

Damn, Rich, you're on a roll today!


See the funny thing here is that what Shane is saying is that you're not exchanging ideas, all you are doing is trying to score points. It's interesting how you're trying to turn it around on him.

I also find it hilarious that you claim to be victimized by ad hominem attacks when the post you made which prompted me to respond was one big, ad hominem attack.


Well I don't agree, as you might expect, but then as we have kicked back and forth several times that's not in the posters remit. And as for point scoring, let me ask you something. Seriously now. Given that its unlikely we'll ever cross paths off this forum, why on Earth would anyone /care/?

Again, I've not claimed to be smart. Oh, and I remembered his name - its Estrada, or something close. And I didn't even use Google to help :)
Still, in answer to your point. Okay, I unreservedly apologise for the incest thing - it was meant as a joke, pandering to the stereotype of the 'good ole boys' with the gunrack in back of the pickup. I accept that it wasn't funny even if it was intended that way, and I'm sorry for offence caused by it.

Close enough :)

What were we talkng about? The NRA?...

Close enough :)

What were we talkng about? The NRA?...
Yeah... do they go out of their way to be contentious, or is it just the issues they pick are ones that are likely to be in the public eye

I'm about to go out and eat hot wings with cupcake and some friends - I'll have to check in later...:)

Actually, it's more like Yoda.ROTFLMFAO:D :D :D
If he wasn't such a dink I'd un-Ignore him...your side of this conversation is hilarious.

Dan's not doin' so bad either:I knew it, you're a Jehovah's Witness. Should never have let you into the houseouch!:D:D:D

I'm about to go out and eat hot wings with cupcake and some friends -
Do you shoot them first Hannibal ?:confused:

Just trying to entertain the troops whilst Rich and Col are in the bed :p

Some cultures are easily ammused as they say:rolleyes:

I helped elect the decision makers. :o

I knew you were a Bush supporter, next time elect somebody intelligent:mad:
Of course you'll have to remove the restriction on only Americans being allowed to stand:rolleyes:

Do you shoot them first Hannibal ?:confused:

Some cultures are easily ammused as they say

I knew you were a Bush supporter, next time elect somebody intelligent
Of course you'll have to remove the restriction on only Americans being allowed to stand

You're blabbering more than usual this morning, is everything ok? :) :) :)

Your 'opinions' are simply the result of random synapses firing in the vaccuum between your ears.


I'm genuinely sorry that you're too thick to understand plain English, so I'll have one more go at helping you understand.
noMoreWhatEverYourNameIs - Please do not use personal insults to forum members. :mad: Kraj is not thick, in fact he is extremely sane and articulate as is Ken, Dan, Bod, et al.
We (Rich and I) have had many "heated" conversations with our American colleagues without resorting to personal insults.

Ken - out of interest. We, in the Uk had never heard of the "yellow ribbon" thing until Tony Orlando and Dawn got to No.1 with "Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree" - in fact at the time, although it was a pleasant enough bouncy song, we had no idea what it meant. If I recall correctly, Tony Orlando came on TV to explain the meaning.

Col

Yeah... do they go out of their way to be contentious, or is it just the issues they pick are ones that are likely to be in the public eye

If I had to guess I'd say you are right. They probably have professional strategist that try to get them as much attention as they can...

But back to your assertion that you hate Americans because they stand for everything the NRA promotes; I'd say that very few Americans are as adamant on all the gun issues as the NRA. The ace in the hole that they play off of is where they claim certain entities in the gov are out to ban all guns and their goal is to oppose this ban.

In the end, I'd say most Americans are against a total ban, but have no problem with certain other controls. Like assault type guns - Ban 'em. Waiting periods for a background check before you buy a gun - No problem. Get the picture... Just because you see Heston spouting off on the tele, don't mean we all have his views on gun control...:) :) :)

These are of course just my views... I'm curious as to how some of the other US posters feel on the topic...:)

Ken - out of interest. We, in the Uk had never heard of the "yellow ribbon" thing until Tony Orlando and Dawn got to No.1 with "Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree" - in fact at the time, although it was a pleasant enough bouncy song, we had no idea what it meant. If I recall correctly, Tony Orlando came on TV to explain the meaning.

Col

Ok, so the actual yellow ribbon thing is corny and a bit overdone over here... But that really wasn't the point I was trying to make...:o :o

Ok, so the actual yellow ribbon thing is corny and a bit overdone over here... But that really wasn't the point I was trying to make...:o :o

No, I know that:rolleyes: ;) but the song scenario demonstrates one way of how different customs can travel from one country to another.

Another example, we never used to have "trick or treat" here.
But what with it being shown on telly in US films / US programmes etc. British kids have adopted it as a way to extort money or sweets (candy) out of householders.
Now every year we have to cough up on halloween or get your car windows smashed or paint stripper over the car or your garden destroyed:rolleyes:

Col

I'm curious as to how some of the other US posters feel on the topic...:) Glad you asked:D

Our political/lobbying system has become a parody of itself because of the very nature of the system. The system itself is basically a barter system of "you scratch my back..." in which you give (and take) in order to come to a mutually agreed upon center ground. Over time, it becomes basic knowledge that when entering into negotiations for anything, you must be prepared to cede some of your wishes in order to look like a willing participant and engender trust and cooperation in the other side. Knowing that, you automatically up the ante so that your "capitulation" isn't really a capitulation but a pseudo-negotiated return to what you wanted in the first place. (like buying a car) This is why they all look like extremists...they're really just going over the top to insure that the basics of their wants are taken care of. Why do think actors do so well?;)

No, I know that:rolleyes: ;) but the song scenario demonstrates one way of how different customs can travel from one country to another.

Another example, we never used to have "trick or treat" here.
But what with it being shown on telly in US films / US programmes etc. British kids have adopted it as a way to extort money or sweets (candy) out of householders.
Now every year we have to cough up on halloween or get your car windows smashed or paint stripper over the car or your garden destroyed:rolleyes:

Col

I think Red Sovine (http://redsovine.com/) did a version a the yellow ribbon thing... Have you ever heard of him? I think you'd really like 'em...:) :) :) I can send you a cd if you want one :)

ah... Halloween. Yet another American cultural sinkhole...

Glad you asked:D

Our political/lobbying system has become a parody of itself because of the very nature of the system. The system itself is basically a barter system of "you scratch my back..." in which you give (and take) in order to come to a mutually agreed upon center ground. Over time, it becomes basic knowledge that when entering into negotiations for anything, you must be prepared to cede some of your wishes in order to look like a willing participant and engender trust and cooperation in the other side. Knowing that, you automatically up the ante so that your "capitulation" isn't really a capitulation but a pseudo-negotiated return to what you wanted in the first place. (like buying a car) This is why they all look like extremists...they're really just going over the top to insure that the basics of their wants are taken care of. Why do think actors do so well?;)

Something else I was going to say on the gun control issue is that it is very difficult to do a national type stance when the issues are so different when you go from a heavily populated urban environment verses a wide open rural area. Like maybe tighter control in the cities and not so controlled in the country areas...?!?

If I had to guess I'd say you are right. They probably have professional strategist that try to get them as much attention as they can...

But back to your assertion that you hate Americans because they stand for everything the NRA promotes; I'd say that very few Americans are as adamant on all the gun issues as the NRA. The ace in the hole that they play off of is where they claim certain entities in the gov are out to ban all guns and their goal is to oppose this ban.

In the end, I'd say most Americans are against a total ban, but have no problem with certain other controls. Like assault type guns - Ban 'em. Waiting periods for a background check before you buy a gun - No problem. Get the picture... Just because you see Heston spouting off on the tele, don't mean we all have his views on gun control...:) :) :)

These are of course just my views... I'm curious as to how some of the other US posters feel on the topic...:)

Oh, of course. I wouldn't imagine for a minute that Heston is representative of the average NRA member (if there is such a thing). I did so enjoy that Moore bloke wandering up to Hestons villa and giving him what for though :D . To be honest, I plucked the NRA out of the ether, just as an example of something - *it seems to me* that membership conveys with it an instruction that you must be a /vocal/ member, own at least half a dozen weapons capable of dispensing death at a rate of 25 per second, shove at least four big stickers on your bumper saying basically 'I love the NRA because its my right to do so', and just generally ensure that nobody tramples on your right to shoot the bloke next door because his cat pee'd on your lawn.

And /why/? Well, because you /can/. Nobody seems to come up with a plausible reason why everyone needs a gun, except maybe because everyone /else/ has one. We've had our share of gun tragedies over here, but the US makes those pale into insignificance with Columbine and similar disasters. You /allegedly/ have some of the highest gun crime in the Western world, drive by shootings are commonplace, etc. but the NRA seems to defeat all of this with the simplistic argument that 'guns dont kill people, people kill people'. 'Course, all of that is just my perception of them, but it goes toward the argument that other countries see America as evil and why.

I could have picked any one of a hundred other organisations as an example, or a hundred other 'inconsistencies', like America's stance on pollution -v- their failure to sign up to Kyoto, their defence of 'freedom above all' -v- Camp X-ray, their assurance that they are committed to helping other nations -v- their status as one of the lowest givers of aid, etc. No /one/ of those things is sufficient to turn a nations opinion against you, but the /cumulative/ effect is 'Wow, what a bunch of ****holes...'. You can't blame the world for harbouring a grudge when all they see is bad!

Like maybe tighter control in the cities and not so controlled in the country areasI would agree, but what criteria do you use? While there is a difference between the type of firearms used for hunting and those used for...entertainment, it wouldn't be possible to say "you can only sell these". Maybe proof that the purchaser either does actually possess a valid hunting license and has completed an approved hunter's safety course, or has access to an appropriate facility or area for use of the weapon? Then what do you do for those that wish only to protect their homes? Or businessmen that make large cash deposits after closing? This is not something which can be easily solved without infringing upon someone's rights...that's the problem:confused:

Oh, of course. I wouldn't imagine for a minute that Heston is representative of the average NRA member (if there is such a thing). I did so enjoy that Moore bloke wandering up to Hestons villa and giving him what for though :D . To be honest, I plucked the NRA out of the ether, just as an example of something - *it seems to me* that membership conveys with it an instruction that you must be a /vocal/ member, own at least half a dozen weapons capable of dispensing death at a rate of 25 per second, shove at least four big stickers on your bumper saying basically 'I love the NRA because its my right to do so', and just generally ensure that nobody tramples on your right to shoot the bloke next door because his cat pee'd on your lawn.

And /why/? Well, because you /can/. Nobody seems to come up with a plausible reason why everyone needs a gun, except maybe because everyone /else/ has one. We've had our share of gun tragedies over here, but the US makes those pale into insignificance with Columbine and similar disasters. You /allegedly/ have some of the highest gun crime in the Western world, drive by shootings are commonplace, etc. but the NRA seems to defeat all of this with the simplistic argument that 'guns dont kill people, people kill people'. 'Course, all of that is just my perception of them, but it goes toward the argument that other countries see America as evil and why.

I could have picked any one of a hundred other organisations as an example, or a hundred other 'inconsistencies', like America's stance on pollution -v- their failure to sign up to Kyoto, their defence of 'freedom above all' -v- Camp X-ray, their assurance that they are committed to helping other nations -v- their status as one of the lowest givers of aid, etc. No /one/ of those things is sufficient to turn a nations opinion against you, but the /cumulative/ effect is 'Wow, what a bunch of ****holes...'. You can't blame the world for harbouring a grudge when all they see is bad!

Well, when you put it that way seems you have a pretty sound argument. Still the bottom line is that we're not a bunch of ***holes. We're mothers and fathers, sons & daughters, getting up every morning just like you and we go off to do the best we can to put food on the table and a roof over our head. We don't have a some hidden agenda to take over the world and ignore the cries for help from those less fortunate.

We do realize our political system is screwed up but it's the best we can do and besides, who's system isn't screwed up...

Sorry that you have this pent up anger against us - I for one, apologize for our short-comings as a nation. We'll try to do better...:)

(I do bag my lawn clippings and recycle them as mulch :) :p )

This is not something which can be easily solved without infringing upon someone's rights...that's the problem:confused:
That's /just/ the point - preserving some /individual/ rights at a cost of /everyone's/ right not to get shot. There's a whole sub-argument there too, in that creating law only affects law-abiders, so the anti-gun argument is itself simplistic, but as an example it holds true. There is a gun 'culture' in the US, and the NRA seeks (seemingly) to /promote/ that, rather than hide it

That's /just/ the point - preserving some /individual/ rights at a cost of /everyone's/ right not to get shot. There's a whole sub-argument there too, in that creating law only affects law-abiders, so the anti-gun argument is itself simplistic, but as an example it holds true. There is a gun 'culture' in the US, and the NRA seeks (seemingly) to /promote/ that, rather than hide it

But the gun law is only addressing a symptom of the bigger issue... ;)

[QUOTE=KenHigg]Sorry that you have this pent up anger against us - I for one, apologize for our short-comings as a nation. We'll try to do better...:) QUOTE]
Okay, lets try and take the personal element out of it a moment. As a fully-paid up member of USA, inc. rather than as an individual, do you understand why fully paid up members of UK plc, or France ltd, or even Afghanistan company, think you're the 'bad guys on the block'. We're not attempting to /explain/ these feelings in this conversation, merely to accept that they exist at all. American's often dismiss other's attitude to them as "jealousy" - 'fess up now you know that's true - when that patently isn't the case.

[QUOTE=KenHigg]Sorry that you have this pent up anger against us - I for one, apologize for our short-comings as a nation. We'll try to do better...:) QUOTE]
Okay, lets try and take the personal element out of it a moment. As a fully-paid up member of USA, inc. rather than as an individual, do you understand why fully paid up members of UK plc, or France ltd, or even Afghanistan company, think you're the 'bad guys on the block'. We're not attempting to /explain/ these feelings in this conversation, merely to accept that they exist at all. American's often dismiss other's attitude to them as "jealousy" - 'fess up now you know that's true - when that patently isn't the case.

I think I said 'Sorry'. What else do you want?

How about this as a counter point: Fix your own screwed up country before you tell us how to fix ours. Do you understand that?

[QUOTE=nomorehype]

I think I said 'Sorry'. What else do you want?

How about this as a counter point: Fix your own screwed up country before you tell us how to fix ours. Do you understand that?
Yikes. Well I thought Britland was relatively benign and the only people opposed was them that are opposed to basically everywhere and a few sandal-wearers in Harlow who didn't get some lottery money for their "Save the lesbian ethnic-minority whale" campaign. Okay, I'll see what I can do - what precisely would you like fixed?

[QUOTE=KenHigg]
Yikes. Well I thought Britland was relatively benign and the only people opposed was them that are opposed to basically everywhere and a few sandal-wearers in Harlow who didn't get some lottery money for their "Save the lesbian ethnic-minority whale" campaign. Okay, I'll see what I can do - what precisely would you like fixed?

Hum... See if you can get the American tele re-runs taken off the air... They seem to be screwing up your perception of life in the US...:D

Hum... See if you can get the American tele re-runs taken off the air...
Well, okay, but half a dozen cable stations will need to close, and throw all of their staff on the welfare state where will have 3x as much disposable income as they did before (or 4x if they have a prediliction for members of the same genital group)
They seem to be screwing up your perception of life in the US...:D
Oh, you mean the /news/ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I was thinking about the frightening amount of misplaced animosity and anger that's been circling about as of late and really tried to figure it out. I suppose it all boils down to we are or we aren't what the ne'er-do-wells think we are, in which case:

We really aren't all as bad as they think. They are using a broad brush (some would say a the paint can itself) to paint a canvas so much larger than they are used to, so they sit and stew, bringing themselves to a boiling point over issues which they themselves have brought to a paranoid, hysterical state...which is both pathetic and sad that they spend their lives in such a state of fear and anger.


We really are the warmongering, country annexing, global domination machine they fear us to be, in which case: Sit down, relax, have some tea and another crumpet...someone will be along to begin the ass-kickery and subjugation of your puny little island shortly.

Oh, you mean the /news/ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But I think if guys cut down on your steady diet of Chips (:p ), we'll be past a major hurdle...:p

Another example, we never used to have "trick or treat" here. But what with it being shown on telly in US films / US programmes etc. British kids have adopted it
Col

Pure curiosity: I know it came from the US, but when? I definitely remember going trick or treating, back in the '70s. Does anyone remember doing it in the UK farther back than that?

I was thinking about the frightening amount of misplaced animosity and anger that's been circling about as of late and really tried to figure it out. I suppose it all boils down to we are or we aren't what the ne'er-do-wells think we are, in which case:

We really aren't all as bad as they think. They are using a broad brush (some would say a the paint can itself) to paint a canvas so much larger than they are used to, so they sit and stew, bringing themselves to a boiling point over issues which they themselves have brought to a paranoid, hysterical state...which is both pathetic and sad that they spend their lives in such a state of fear and anger.
Some would say that it would be 'pathetic and sad' to sit idly by, having discovered a great wrong being perpetrated. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
We really are the warmongering, country annexing, global domination machine they fear us to be, in which case: Sit down, relax, have some tea and another crumpet...someone will be along to begin the ass-kickery and subjugation of your puny little island shortly.

Alas, I fear 'tis already upon us.
Still, 'puny' we might be, but that didn't stop the mighty US asking for a little help when it spread itself too thinly!

Chips (:p )
freedom fries?

freedom fries?

Cute... :D

I'm kind of tired of fussin' for a while :) :) :)

Some would say that it would be 'pathetic and sad' to sit idly by, having discovered a great wrong being perpetrated. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

Triply so, when you have voted this 'wrong' in three times consecutively ...:eek:


Still, 'puny' we might be, but that didn't stop the mighty US asking for a little help when it spread itself too thinly!

Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.

Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.psst...Dan...don't encourage him. I know from Rich's posts that the UK knows full well about sarcasm.

Hmmm...sarcasm fails. Over-the-top fails. Subtlety fails. Logic fails. You sure hes not Dubya himself?:eek:

Pure curiosity: I know it came from the US, but when? I definitely remember going trick or treating, back in the '70s. Does anyone remember doing it in the UK farther back than that?
I'm not really old enough - but Rich will be able to tell you if it was around in the 50's and 60's:D

Col

Kraj is not thick, in fact he is extremely sane and articulate as is Ken, Dan, Bod, et al.


http://www.lucasalexander.dk/images/Thatcher-Reagan.jpg :D :D :D

http://www.lucasalexander.dk/images/Thatcher-Reagan.jpg :D :D :D

Ah... The good old days....:o

psst...Dan...don't encourage him. I know from Rich's posts that the UK knows full well about sarcasm.

You think? :p


Hmmm...sarcasm fails. Over-the-top fails. Subtlety fails. Logic fails. You sure hes not Dubya himself?:eek:

Quoting a British politician who supported the American revolution to argue his case was either a stroke of genius or another example of a dubya. I vote for the latter :D

Triply so, when you have voted this 'wrong' in three times consecutively ...:eek:



Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.
So, its fair to say we rely on each other then? So our dimunitive stature is irrelevant :D

psst...Dan...don't encourage him. I know from Rich's posts that the UK knows full well about sarcasm.

Hmmm...sarcasm fails. Over-the-top fails. Subtlety fails. Logic fails. You sure hes not Dubya himself?:eek:
Hmmm, ignoring him works though. Pity you can't manage to achieve it, eh?

Quoting a British politician who supported the American revolution to argue his case was either a stroke of genius or another example of a dubya. I vote for the latter :D
We've seen you Yanks 'voting' before :) :)

So, its fair to say we rely on each other then? So our dimunitive stature is irrelevant :D

As is your diminutive stature :p :p :p

noMoreWhatEverYourNameIs - Please do not use personal insults to forum members. :mad: Kraj is not thick, in fact he is extremely sane and articulate as is Ken, Dan, Bod, et al.
We (Rich and I) have had many "heated" conversations with our American colleagues without resorting to personal insults.
To be fair, at this point I've flung insults almost as bad his way. I don't think anyone is actually paying enough attention to him anymore to be insulted.

Thanks for getting my back, though! :)

...Thanks for getting my back, though! :)

I quess we should never write anyone off completely... Imagine - Col coming to our defense. Darn now we'll have to be nice to him as well...:mad:

:p :p :p

Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.
As I recall, the UK did ask for US help in the Falklands war, but it was turned down as being a UK issue not a US issue.;)

Not that it mattered, by the time the US would have gotten down there,we'd stuffed the Argies anyway. If you recall, it took the US 2 or 3 years to work out there was a world war on in the 40's:rolleyes:

Col

... If you recall, it took the US 2 or 3 years to work out there was a world war on in the 40's:rolleyes: Col

In the 40's ... ?

Rich should remember that... :D

To be fair, at this point I've flung insults almost as bad his way.
Wow, I'm shocked. An admission from an American to knowing the word 'fair'. And a tentative understanding of its meaning, too!
Thanks for getting my back, though! :)
Funny, when I rallied behind a compatriot I was called a sycophant.

Still, nice day, the weather's great, who needs vitriol?

I quess we should never write anyone off completely... Imagine - Col coming to our defense. Darn now we'll have to be nice to him as well...:mad:

:p :p :p
Yeah, but not too nice. He still needs his fun too, you know. :D

Some would say that it would be 'pathetic and sad' to sit idly by, having discovered a great wrong being perpetrated. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
Yes, and I'm sure bitching and whining about it is exactly the alternative Burke had in mind. :rolleyes:

Wow, I'm shocked. An admission from an American to knowing the word 'fair'. And a tentative understanding of its meaning, too!
You might find yourself consistently shocked at the quality of discourse you'd find from us "Merkins" when you appraoch us like a reasonable human being instead of.... whatever you are.

Funny, when I rallied behind a compatriot I was called a sycophant.
Maybe because no one's terribly excited to have you on their side at the moment...

...Still, nice day, the weather's great, who needs vitriol?

:D :D :D

You're actually pretty funny when you get off your soap box...:p :p

As I recall, the UK did ask for US help in the Falklands war, but it was turned down as being a UK issue not a US issue.;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/falklands/guide3.stm

4th paragraph... :confused:


Not that it mattered, by the time the US would have gotten down there,we'd stuffed the Argies anyway. If you recall, it took the US 2 or 3 years to work out there was a world war on in the 40's:rolleyes:
Col

Now I admit we were a little late but a certain Mr Chamberlain wasn't very sparky either. You have to admit it was worth the wait. :p Anyway we did let you borrow our nukes during the cold war as recompense.

Yes, and I'm sure bitching and whining about it is exactly the alternative Burke had in mind. :rolleyes:
What would you have me do, kraj? One fights with the weapons at one's disposal.
pen, sword, mighty. See if you can arrange those into a famous expression

Maybe because no one's terribly excited to have you on their side at the moment...
LOL. No, the comment came from the /opposition/ camp :D

How about some fuel...

DARRELL SCOTT TESTIMONY

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The f irst recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today:

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/falklands/guide3.stm

4th paragraph... :confused:
I'm amazed US intelligence knew where the South Atlantic was!



Anyway we did let you borrow our nukes during the cold war as recompense.
er no actually. They were placed on American bases by the USA despite the fact we didn't want them, hence all the protests at the time. It made us a sitting target and we didn't want to be blown off the planet just because the USA was having a spat with the USSR.

Col

... having a spat ...

:D :D

See, those Dukes of Hazard re-runs has improved your verbal dexterity :D :D

I quess we should never write anyone off completely... Imagine - Col coming to our defense. Darn now we'll have to be nice to him as well...:mad:

:p :p :p
Rich and I do have a code of practice that we try to stick to. (albeit a loose one!) I felt whatsHisName went beyond that in my opinion.;)

Col

They were placed on American bases by the USA despite the fact we didn't want them, hence all the protests at the time.

I guess we'll put that one down as another example of the UK doing as they are told :p

How about some fuel...
I'm not going to say that wasn't /very/ sobering and just as when the incident occurred I immediately think of my own son at his school. I'd applaud the man's clarity of mind to point the finger at the real villains rather than the popular choice, the NRA.
Of course the perpetrators could easily have used other weapons were guns unavailable to them, but that doesn't mean that guns are innocent. Pest control aside there is no justifiable reason why any citizen should have a gun.

Rich and I do have a code of practice that we try to stick to.

I'm trying to find a reason to be thankful...:p :p :p

I guess we'll put that one down as another example of the UK doing as they are told :p
Seemingly so. I'd like to think the tide is turning though, and the day will come when the US ask for something and get told to naff off and solve your own damn problems. I don't think our government finds us to be the placid and accepting mob we once were :rolleyes:

I guess we'll put that one down as another example of the UK doing as they are told :p
or the USA once again thinking they own the bloody world:p

See, those Dukes of Hazard re-runs has improved your verbal dexterity
its unlikely the Dukes of Hazzard would have such a long word as one with 4 letters. They are after all good-ol'-boys like those in Georgia.:p

Col

its unlikely the Dukes of Hazzard would have such a long word as one with 4 letters. They are after all good-ol'-boys like those in Georgia.:p

ColPersonally I was always too busy watching Daisy's chest heave to listen to much of the dialogue

There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.

Off to a nice, rational start, then... :rolleyes:

Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc.

Absolutely right! I mean, look at how little violence has ever been perpetrated by people claiming to be acting on behalf of a given religion. The Crusades, the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland, the Klan, etc. etc. - none of it actually happened.

No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre.

I could be wrong - and I openly admit that - but I thought I heard that the kids who did the killing got their guns from people who legally owned them? I'm not suggesting for one minute that they were deliberately armed by the owners, but gun laws that stopped those people from owning them in the first place would have gone a fair way toward stopping them. The anger would still have been there, but there's only so much damage you can do with a knife or a club.

Yes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. And, yes, shooting animals makes a lot of people feel more manly. Not arguing with either of those points. However, if logically extended, why not allow people to own bombs? Both are created purely to kill, both could just be for defence, and both could be used quite effectively to kill animals.

As far as the line I keep seeing quoted in various articles about how more people die from car related injuries than from being shot is concerned, I would point out that cars aren't specifically intended to kill things. It happens, yes, but rarely intentionally. That's exactly what guns are meant to do.

I'm not getting into the whole "It's my right to own one" argument, I'm simply pointing out the connection between allowing legalised guns and an increase in the number of innocent people being shot. I forget the exact wording, but to paraphrase Bill Hicks:

"There is absolutely no connection being having a gun and shooting someone and not having a gun and not shooting someone - and you'd be a fool and a communist to make one"

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

Probably just me being dull, but what is he talking about here? Examine your heart for what? :confused:

... if logically extended, why not allow people to own bombs? Both are created purely to kill, both could just be for defence, and both could be used quite effectively to kill animals. but you're not going to find enough to cut into a steak if you blow it up!:eek: :eek: Think, Man, Think!:D

Pest control aside there is no justifiable reason why any citizen should have a gun.

Oh dear... I'm getting faint headed:(

but you're not going to find enough to cut into a steak if you blow it up!:eek: :eek: Think, Man, Think!:D

Okey-dokey, boss. What about bovine-specific nerve gas, then?:D

Okey-dokey, boss. What about bovine-specific nerve gas, then?:D
but den wot 'bout squrlz, deers, 'possums, ground hogs, turkeys, rabbits...how we gets ta eat dem?:confused::confused::confused: :D

but den wot 'bout squrlz, deers, 'possums, ground hogs, turkeys, rabbits...how we gets ta eat dem?:confused::confused::confused: :D

Drive 'em down through Ga. and I'll pick 'em off one at a time...:D

However, if logically extended, why not allow people to own bombs? Both are created purely to kill, both could just be for defence, and both could be used quite effectively to kill animals.

Bombs? We don't need no steenkin bombs. We want one of /these/
http://www.joseph1.demon.co.uk/pgsherman.htm

Drive 'em down through Ga. and I'll pick 'em off one at a time...:DWhile I was playing upon the inevitable redneck joke coming off that, I'm not picking on you Ken...I must admit to having hunted and eaten everything on that list...plus some.:D

While I was playing upon the inevitable redneck joke coming off that, I'm not picking on you Ken...I must admit to having hunted and eaten everything on that list...plus some.:D
But do they all taste like chicken? :eek:

While I was playing upon the inevitable redneck joke coming off that, I'm not picking on you Ken...I must admit to having hunted and eaten everything on that list...plus some.:D

Do you deer hunt still?

Do you deer hunt still?

No, darling, do you?

(sorry, couldn't resist and, yes, I know it was more of a verbal gag):D

Do you deer hunt still?Absolutely. Better for you than beef. Much, much, cheaper. And let's not forget, it gives me the opportunity to spend time out in the woods, away from all of the idjits:D . My Grandfather taught me when I was very young, so for me, it's almost like I still get to spend that time with him.

No, darling, do you?

(sorry, couldn't resist and, yes, I know it was more of a verbal gag):D

That was as bad as some of Ricky's stuff...:rolleyes:

Do you deer hunt still?
That's not very 'sporting' if its stood still, is it? Couldn't you at least give it a running start?

Absolutely. Better for you than beef. Much, much, cheaper. And let's not forget, it gives me the opportunity to spend time out in the woods, away from all of the idjits:D . My Grandfather taught me when I was very young, so for me, it's almost like I still get to spend that time with him.

We are a lucky few huh...

I didn't deer hunt with Granddad but he did take us squirrel and rabbit hunting....

That's not very 'sporting' if its stood still, is it? Couldn't you at least give it a running start?

Huh? It has the time from when it hears the gun go off until the bullet gets there to run, what else does it need, a gentle nudge with a stick?

Huh? It has the time from when it hears the gun go off until the bullet gets there to run, what else does it need, a gentle nudge with a stick? sure...for the first two days. When have you seen anything standing still in the woods after the first two days of any season?:confused:

Huh? It has the time from when it hears the gun go off until the bullet gets there to run, what else does it need, a gentle nudge with a stick?
I bet it'd prefer a gun to shoot back with :)

I, for one, can't wait to get me one of these babies! Those wacky Australians have done it again!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/BUSINESS/06/26/australia.metalstorm/index.html

I, for one, can't wait to get me one of these babies!Hmmm...the hunting uses for such a device appear somewhat limited...but I think I could come up with one or two other uses:eek:

While much of the technology is a closely guarded secret, the firing mechanism has no moving parts. Instead, it uses electronic ballistics technology. Unlike other guns, the only parts which move are the bullets.


Sergeant: Private, there's a bomb coming. Fire the Metal Storm.
Private: Umm, Sarge? It says "Windows Protection Error. Please Restart The Application"
-- BOOM --

I bet it'd prefer a gun to shoot back with :)

Like these:

http://www.whitetails.com/Graphics/humor_photos/30.jpg

The really creepy thing about that picture is that in all probability those deer are actually posed corpses.

The really creepy thing about that picture is that in all probability those deer are actually posed corpses.
Nah, they'll have been 'photoshopped' in afterwards

Nah, they'll have been 'photoshopped' in afterwards

They're shoulder mounts that are propped up from behind...:rolleyes:


http://www.4seasonstaxidermy.com/albums/NorthAmerican/taxidermy_6_006.jpg

We really are the warmongering, country annexing, global domination machine they fear us to be,


An educated American, that's a rarity:eek:

Doesn't stop the UK from asking for a little help in protecting some rock-pile in the South Atlantic either does it? It's called D-I-P-L-O-M-A-C-Y.

Trouble is you didn't quite grasp the concept then, still don't over 25yrs later:rolleyes:

You might find yourself consistently shocked at the quality of discourse you'd find from us "Merkins" ..


http://z.about.com/d/webclipart/1/0/P/u/can1b.gif

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You might find yourself consistently shocked at the quality of discourse you'd find from us "Merkins" when you appraoch us like a reasonable human being instead of.... whatever you are.

Odd, that wasn't there the first time I saw the post. Oh hang on,
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So what do you do, go back and edit a post when some new barb occurs to you?

And /why/?
Well it's really quite simple
A/ It's written on a scrap over paper that's several centuries out of date that they can, (they call it their constitution, or some such drivel, it does away with the need for a government)

B/ It's to prevent the church taking control of their country, which is kind of odd because plastered all over their currency is "In god we trust" :rolleyes:

As I recall, the UK did ask for US help in the Falklands war, but it was turned down as being a UK issue not a US issue.;)

Col

if i remember right they did give us the sidewinder missile which was brand spanking new technology in those days....that along with the argentinian air force's reluctance to engage the harriers in combat allowed us to blow most of their planes out the sky with next to no losses for our air force.

They're shoulder mounts that are propped up from behind...:rolleyes:
Yep, that's what I figured. That's counts as a corpse in my book. :D

So what do you do, go back and edit a post when some new barb occurs to you?
Yes, as long as no one has posted after me. That is how one is supposed to behaive, as opposed to your penchant for posting multiple times in a row, which is referred to as 'spamming', or as I call it: 'lazy'.

That is how one is supposed to behaive, .
assuming you meant behave, according to whose rules?:rolleyes:

Yes, as long as no one has posted after me.
Several had. At least one had quoted you. You'll forgive me for thinking that its rather sad to go back and change something later, wont you?
That is how one is supposed to behaive, as opposed to your penchant for posting multiple times in a row, which is referred to as 'spamming', or as I call it: 'lazy'.
Ummm, its 'lazy' to post more than once in a row? Sigh, more utter b*ll*cks...
(Don't worry if its not allowed to say b*ll*cks - I'll go back and edit it out later ;) )

2 cents


I simply had to add my 2 cents to the conversation. :D

Trouble is you didn't quite grasp the concept then, still don't over 25yrs later:rolleyes:

...and yet you still keep doing what we tell you. What is wrong with you people?!? :D :D :D

I simply had to add my 2 cents to the conversation. :D

Bit of an indulgence don't you think - thought you were supposed to be studying :rolleyes:

I simply had to add my 2 cents to the conversation. :D
I think you'll find its 3 cents now. Rampant inflation, ya know :o
By the way, thanks for posting behind me, and saving me having to break whatever 'rule' Kraj dreamed up five minutes ago :eek: :eek:

Bit of an indulgence don't you think - thought you were supposed to be studying :rolleyes:


Yes, I do need a bit of indulgence every now and then as well as I must be in a maschosistic mood to put my two cents into this conversation. :rolleyes:

Also, don't roll your eyes at me danny boy. :p

PS, it's lab night in my VB.net class. I can do what I want, as long as I get my program done.

I think you'll find its 3 cents now. Rampant inflation, ya know :o
By the way, thanks for posting behind me, and saving me having to break whatever 'rule' Kraj dreamed up five minutes ago :eek: :eek:

Rules? I am not aware of any rules, and I'm sure they don't apply to a cute red-headed southern belle such as myself. ;)

...and yet you still keep doing what we tell you.
Actually we ignored you and restored freedom and democracy to the island, any chance you guys will get just one of them? :rolleyes:

Actually we ignored you and restored freedom and democracy to the island, any chance you guys will get just one of them? :rolleyes:

How many sidewinders (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/0/75b0842883e0798f8525626e0048ad88?OpenDocument) did we give you? At $83k a pop, I'm guessing you owe us a couple of those islands... :rolleyes:

(:D )

How many sidewinders (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/0/75b0842883e0798f8525626e0048ad88?OpenDocument) did we give you? At $83k a pop, I'm guessing you owe us a couple of those islands... :rolleyes:

(:D )
I think the original poster was misinformed, the United States has never given us anything:rolleyes:

I think the original poster was misinformed, the United States has never given us anything:rolleyes:
Thats not strictly true. The USA has given us

1) Rampant obesity amongst our children who eat their cardboard fat laden burgers:rolleyes:

2) Elvis Presley

3) The Fabulous Beach Boys

4) A sue-all culture

5) super high petrol prices (about $8 a gallon)

6) educational TV shows showing the American way of life:D

7) most of all they've given us a reason to be targetted by terror groups so we can have our people killed at random, all thanks to a total religious freak who thinks he rules the world from the white house.

shall I go on?

At $83k a pop, I'm guessing you owe us a couple of those islands...

at a cost to you of tens of billions of dollars, what does Iraq owe you? why not take their thousands of homeless children and adults (who's lives the USA has destroyed) and give them a new start in the USA:eek: . . . . . . . heaven forbid eh Ken?
as Greg said the other week, you wouldn't want to see the reality of what the USA has done would you?

Col

Yes I forgot to add the words of value to the end of the sentence, shall I do the American thing and edit the thread in the hope that nobody notices? :rolleyes:

Yes I forgot to add the words of value to the end of the sentence, shall I do the American thing and edit the thread in the hope that nobody notices? :rolleyes:
You may as well, I edited mine 4 minutes after you posted - but I didn't know your post was there.
I recall a couple of weeks ago one of our colonials edited a thread much later, then picked me up on the new edit which of course I hadn't read -:rolleyes:
Col

at a cost to you of tens of billions of dollars, what does Iraq owe you?
Well I would have thought that was blindingly obvious Colin. Just their oil revenues for the next 20 years, nothing too much
why not take their thousands of homeless children and adults (who's lives the USA has destroyed) and give them a new start in the USA
Ummm.... is that bit /compulsory/?

Thats not strictly true. The USA has given us

1) Rampant obesity amongst our children who eat their cardboard fat laden burgers:rolleyes:

2) Elvis Presley

3) The Fabulous Beach Boys

4) A sue-all culture

5) super high petrol prices (about $8 a gallon)

6) educational TV shows showing the American way of life:D

7) most of all they've given us a reason to be targetted by terror groups so we can have our people killed at random, all thanks to a total religious freak who thinks he rules the world from the white house.

shall I go on?



at a cost to you of tens of billions of dollars, what does Iraq owe you? why not take their thousands of homeless children and adults (who's lives the USA has destroyed) and give them a new start in the USA:eek: . . . . . . . heaven forbid eh Ken?
as Greg said the other week, you wouldn't want to see the reality of what the USA has done would you?

Col

You boy's sure are on rampage this morning. Sorry your day is off to such a bad start...:(

You boy's sure are on rampage this morning. Sorry your day is off to such a bad start...:(
Well its 11:30am here and there's no improvement yet:rolleyes: apart from a phone call from a very good friend:D :D :D

Col

Well its 11:30am here and there's no improvement yet:rolleyes: Col

Does it help when I log on in the morning and you get to hack away at me?

apart from a phone call from a very good friend

Thanks Col but I don't recall ringing you this morning :confused: :D

Does it help when I log on in the morning and you get to hack away at me?

you know you like it:D



Thanks Col but I don't recall ringing you this morning :confused: :D
sorry mate, you're the wrong sex:eek:

Col

you know you like it:D

At one time it was like a second cup of coffee for me, but now, it just seems like kind of an obligation I have to you guys... :) :)

Actually we ignored you and restored freedom and democracy to the island, any chance you guys will get just one of them? :rolleyes:

I like the way you edit out my smilies when you are on the warpath ...:p

Thats not strictly true. The USA has given us

1) Rampant obesity amongst our children who eat their cardboard fat laden burgers:rolleyes:
Sorry.... when we heard you folks constantly call each other "thick" we misinterprated. Our bad. :o

2) Elvis Presley
If he turns up, please send him back. We miss him.

3) The Fabulous Beach Boys
Er... you can keep them.

4) A sue-all culture
That phrase is trademarked under U.S. trademark law 5580-10, section 217.5c. You'll be hearing from our lawyers.

5) super high petrol prices (about $8 a gallon)
You could cut that in half by taking all the taxes off. But then you'd use as much as we do and then you wouldn't be able to complain about our oil consumption.

6) educational TV shows showing the American way of life:D
Such as Blue Collar TV, the Jeff Foxworthy Show, Dukes of Hazard, Hee Haw, Bonanza, and Fox News.

7) most of all they've given us a reason to be targetted by terror groups so we can have our people killed at random, all thanks to a total religious freak who thinks he rules the world from the white house.

OK serious on this one.... I think the proper people to give "all thanks to" for being targeted by terror groups are the terrorists, not Bush.

I think the proper people to give "all thanks to" for being targeted by terror groups are the terrorists, not Bush.
Is there a difference between Bush and a terrorist?

It seems to me that one kills many people (directly) and is branded as a terrorist and the other kills many more people (indirectly) than the terrorist and is called a President. To me its the same thing, people die.

Col

That phrase is trademarked under U.S. trademark law 5580-10, section 217.5c. You'll be hearing from our lawyers.


Like it :D :D

Is there a difference between Bush and a terrorist?

It seems to me that one kills many people (directly) and is branded as a terrorist and the other kills many more people (indirectly) than the terrorist and is called a President. To me its the same thing, people die.

Col
No Col, now pay attention. A /terrorist/ comes into your country illegally, and then sets about a campaign of terror, harrassing and killing people completely without compunction, irrespective of their age, gender, or affiliations.
Oh, hang on...:eek:

But then you'd use as much as we do and then you wouldn't be able to complain about our oil consumption.
Well I wasn't going to mention it, but now that you've bought it up...

Is there a difference between Bush and a terrorist?

It seems to me that one kills many people (directly) and is branded as a terrorist and the other kills many more people (indirectly) than the terrorist and is called a President. To me its the same thing, people die.

Col

http://www.ict.org.il/Articles/define.htm

http://www.ict.org.il/Articles/define.htm
Interesting article. But looking at the clinical definition of a terrorist on that page, not only is the US guilty of terrorism in Afghanistan AND Iraq, but also Israel is guilty on a daily basis of terrorism (including today) happily supported by the US

Interesting article. But looking at the clinical definition of a terrorist on that page, not only is the US guilty of terrorism in Afghanistan AND Iraq, but also Israel is guilty on a daily basis of terrorism (including today) happily supported by the US

Not disagreeing, but wanted to provide some source outside of 'our' own opinions, in an attempt to alleviate squabbling later on ;) .

Obviously, the reliability of the source of any information can always be drawn into question, but that's another argument.

Not disagreeing, but wanted to provide some source outside of 'our' own opinions, in an attempt to alleviate squabbling later on ;)
Good luck with that... :rolleyes:

It seems to me that one kills many people (directly) and is branded as a terrorist and the other kills many more people (indirectly) than the terrorist and is called a President. To me its the same thing, people die.
Hmmm... so both the British soldiers during WWII as well as Churchill were terrorists? Gotcha.

Oh, and just to be accurate, the President gets that title before people are killed. ;)

Hmmm... so both the British soldiers during WWII as well as Churchill were terrorists? Gotcha.


Well now look, I know your history books and media are all to cock but we didn't actually start WW11.
I know your books say it was Japan but it was actually a guy called Hitler.
We were actually liberating countries from an invader, try again:rolleyes:

Is there a difference between Bush and a terrorist?

Col

Absolutely, one's fuelled by hatred and guided by his god, the other's fuelled by hatred and guided by his god :rolleyes:
Of course both claim to be seeking justice

We were actually liberating countries from an invader, try again:rolleyes:

Which you gave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) to Hitler in the first place ...:rolleyes:

Which you gave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement) to Hitler in the first place ...:rolleyes:
No we didn't, look up Poland and of course you Nazi sympathisers didn't complain at the time:rolleyes:

but also Israel is guilty on a daily basis of terrorism (including today) happily supported by the US

Oh please... You can't seriously believe that the Israeli's hard-line approach against the thugs of Hezbollah is terrorism.

... You can't seriously believe that the Israeli's hard-line approach against the thugs of Hezbollah is terrorism.

It's the same approach America uses, oddly enough the violence and death still continues for everybody involved:rolleyes:

No we didn't, look up Poland and of course you Nazi sympathisers didn't complain at the time:rolleyes:

Tell that to the Czechs :rolleyes:

Their invite got lost in the mail I suppose...

I like the way you edit out my smilies when you are on the warpath ...:p
The original post was not amusing and as such didn't deserve smilies:mad:

The original post was not amusing and as such didn't deserve smilies:mad:

Well I would apologise for any offense caused but since the chances of reciprocation are negligible, I don't think I'll bother...;)

Their invite got lost in the mail I suppose...

As did the complaint or solution from the Americans about the deal :rolleyes:

Well I would apologise for any offense caused but since the chances of reciprocation are negligible, I don't think I'll bother...;)

I've done nothing to apologise for, I complain about Bush and the gun ho attitude of America, which’s meritorious :cool: :p

As did the complaint or solution from the Americans about the deal :rolleyes:

As did the reaction from the UK when Hitler went ahead and invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia anyway.

As did the reaction from the UK when Hitler went ahead and invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia anyway.
Yes it's not in your history books, we went to war whilst you lot were sat at home in font of the box watching your cosy fireside chats:rolleyes:

Yes it's not in your history books, we went to war whilst you lot were sat at home in font of the box watching your cosy fireside chats:rolleyes:

Now, now Rich.

The war started in 1939 and all it took was a 15 month wait and another country declaring war on them for the US to leap right in. You don't just rush into these things, you know. ;)

You don't just rush into these things, you know. ;)

That must have been what Chamberlain was thinking ;)

That must have been what Chamberlain was thinking ;)

Sept 1, 1939 - Nazis invade Poland.

Sept 3, 1939 - Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Germany.

Two days wait vs > 400 days?

Not really comparable :D
(well, only in the sense that one is much, much smaller than the other)

Not really comparable :D


Did you read the link on the Munich agreement? :confused: :p

Did you read the link on the Munich agreement? :confused: :p
You see it revolves around that word that Americans don't understand because it's not in their constitution, "diplomacy" :rolleyes: :p

Now, now Rich.

The war started in 1939 and all it took was a 15 month wait and another country declaring war on them for the US to leap right in. You don't just rush into these things, you know. ;)

Well they were growing rich charging us grossly inflated prices for their weapons that were actually protecting their country:eek: :rolleyes:

Did you read the link on the Munich agreement? :confused: :p

No I didn't. I have just done so and have to say I didn't learn anything new.

You see, we have the bizarre policy of covering things like that in some detail during school. It was a world war, after all - and that's 'world' in the sense of many, many countries being involved, as opposed to just North America - so we went into some level of detail. Certainly beyond the information provided in that link. :p

Although there were many factors that contributed to the build-up, I believe the start was September 1939. ;)

You see it revolves around that word that Americans don't understand because it's not in their constitution, "diplomacy" :rolleyes: :p

The word 'givehimwhathewantsandhopehegoesawayery' isn't in there either :D

The word 'givehimwhathewantsandhopehegoesawayery' isn't in there either :D

Neither was The Sha of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Ho Chi Mihn, The Taliban, Jesus Christ the list is too long for this page:rolleyes: :p

It was a world war, after all - and that's 'world' in the sense of many, many countries being involved, as opposed to just North America - so we went into some level of detail. Certainly beyond the information provided in that link. :p


Ah yes but didn't they have a little squabble amongst themselves back in the 1860's and call it a World conflict simply because nobody else was taking part? :confused: ;)

Ah yes but didn't they have a little squabble amongst themselves back in the 1860's and call it a World conflict simply because nobody else was taking part? :confused: ;)

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know what I'm screamin' :p

You see, we have the bizarre policy of covering things like that in some detail during school.

You would have been made aware of Chamberlain's reluctance to go to war then and the alliances he violated whilst doing it :p


Although there were many factors that contributed to the build-up, I believe the start was September 1939. ;)

Not arguing about when the war started just trying to swim against the tide a little. The US was very late but the UK wasn't timely either ;)

but the UK wasn't timely either ;)
Ask Langsdorff if he agrees with you:rolleyes:
And what's up with Kenny, has a deer shot him in the ass, or something?:confused: :rolleyes:

Ask Langsdorff if he agrees with you:rolleyes:
And what's up with Kenny, has a deer shot him in the ass, or something?:confused: :rolleyes:

:eek: :eek:

Just trying to prompt you to bring some new material to the table - You been talking that same old smack forever... :D

:eek: :eek:

Just trying to prompt you to bring some new material to the table - You been talking that same old smack forever... :D

Just acting like an American called Bush:rolleyes:
you remember him don't you, he's the guy you elected who has to keep reminding you that you're supposedly free and he's your leader who also thinks he's everybody elses leader and who has made the world safe for Americans, fu*%ed up for everybody else, but as long as the mugs believe it who cares?:rolleyes:
Now when you all vote for Hillary we can bring a little je ne sais quoi into the discussions :cool:

Just acting like an American called Bush:rolleyes:
you remember him don't you, he's the guy you elected who has to keep reminding you that you're supposedly free and he's your leader who also thinks he's everybody elses leader and who has made the world safe for Americans, fu*%ed up for everybody else, but as long as the mugs believe it who cares?:rolleyes:
Now when you all vote for Hillary we can bring a little je ne sais quoi into the discussions :cool:

Sorry... You must be under the incorrect assumption that anyone on this of the pond cares what you think about Bush :p Or anything else American for that matter - :D

Is that all you've got for now, Bush and Hillary? :) :)

you remember him don't you

Who? Never heard of him :confused:


Now when you all vote for Hillary we can bring a little je ne sais quoi into the discussions :cool:

Heaven forbid we discuss anything other than US presidents and their idiosyncrasies :rolleyes:

Sorry... You must be under the incorrect assumption that anyone on this of the pond cares what you think about Bush :p
Oh really, why do you and your cohorts keep replying for then? :rolleyes: :cool:

Heaven forbid we discuss anything other than US presidents and their idiosyncrasies :rolleyes:
I've never heard murder and greed called an idiosyncrasy before :rolleyes:

Oh really, why do you and your cohorts keep replying for then? :rolleyes: :cool:

:D :D :D

Good point old fella :D :D

I knew if I stayed around long enough you say something witty :D

I knew if I stayed around long enough you say something witty :D
and factually accurate :cool: :p

and factually accurate :cool: :p
Of course the odds were in your favor - I mean 13k?!? :p :p

Of course the odds were in your favor - I mean 13k?!? :p :p
Even you know it's actually well over 20k:p
and most of them were on the right track:D

And what's up with Kenny, has a deer shot him in the ass, or something?:confused: :rolleyes:

http://www.j.d.gifs.2itb.com/images/dont_kill_kenny.gifOmigod, they killed Kenny

Yes it's not in your history books, we went to war whilst you lot were sat at home in font of the box watching your cosy fireside chats:rolleyes:

The war started in 1939 and all it took was a 15 month wait and another country declaring war on them for the US to leap right in. You don't just rush into these things, you know. ;)
Now, is it my imagination or did the US just get criticized for NOT jumping into a military conflict, thereby injecting their point of view into another country halfway around the globe instead of "minding our own business" ?:confused: :confused:

C'mon guys this is turning into the proverbial Monkey and the Football:rolleyes: