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Kraj

06-23-2006, 01:57 PM

Now you're being silly
Yes, I am.

The World series is so named because America thinks it is the World and of course American networks thought they could flog the garbage to the World:rolleyes: :cool:
Funny, I couldn't find the reference anywhere that explained that was the origin. I'd love to see yours.

I did however find this on Wikipedia: "At the time the term was first used (1857), baseball at the major league level was only played in the United States." Therefore, the World Series did, in fact, represent all the professional baseball players in the entire world at the time. I might also point out that it was named long before network television (or radio) was invented.

Second, if you care to browse this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_cups_and_world_championships), you'll see that the vast majority of competitions known as the "World whatever" are not representative of a wide variety of nations in the world, and most are played almost exclusively by European competitors. Or perhaps you'd like to explain how the World Cricket Cup (played by Britain, Australia and New Zealand) is representative of the international community in a way that the World Series is not?

So do you think you can give this "World Series" b.s. a rest, please?

Rich

06-23-2006, 02:04 PM

According to Wikipedia, it's called the FIFA World Cup Trophy. The Jules Rimet Trophy was last awarded in 1970 to Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_Trophy
If memory serves me right it was changed because under the original rules if anyone won it at least three times it would become theirs

Rich

06-23-2006, 02:06 PM

Rich, you must have a sad existence.

I'm very happy with my enlightened existence thank you and if I'm wrong I'll answer to god and nobody else, oops silly me, that was an American speech.
Hell it's rubbing off:eek: :rolleyes:

ShaneMan

06-23-2006, 02:07 PM

If memory serves me right it was changed because under the original rules if anyone won it at least three times it would become theirs

1970 was 36 years ago. You weren't born yet, remember how young you are? so how could your "memory serve you right?":D

ShaneMan

06-23-2006, 02:12 PM

I'm very happy with my enlightened existence thank you and if I'm wrong I'll answer to god and nobody else, oops silly me, that was an American speech.
Hell it's rubbing off:eek: :rolleyes:

Good to see we're rubbing off on ya. Heck you might even start to believe in a heaven. Hold on, that's right one of the Brits icons sang something like "imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try." Guess that one won't rub off.

Rich

06-23-2006, 02:14 PM

Or perhaps you'd like to explain how the World Cricket Cup (played by Britain, Australia and New Zealand) is representative of the international community in a way that the World Series is not?

I know of no cricket tournament known as the world cricket cup. I do know that South Africa, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, ShriLanka, Australia, New Zealand and England (that's not Britain by the way, it's not a British game :rolleyes: ) all participate.
Oops silly me, I missed a few Nations off the list, add
Zimbawe, Canada, Kenya, Ireland, The UAE, The Netherlands, Namibia, East Africa

Rich

06-23-2006, 02:15 PM

1970 was 36 years ago. You weren't born yet, remember how young you are? so how could your "memory serve you right?":D

We had history lessons in school that encompassed the whole world and not just the greatness of one country :cool:

Rich

06-23-2006, 02:17 PM

Good to see we're rubbing off on ya. Heck you might even start to believe in a heaven.

I'm in heaven when surrounded by my family, well sometimes anyway, that's what I'm here for. :)

Matty

06-23-2006, 02:17 PM

You had history lessons about the World Cup? Wow, I wish I went to school in the UK. :p

Rich

06-23-2006, 02:26 PM

You had history lessons about the World Cup? Wow, I wish I went to school in the UK. :p
We had history lessons about everything that happened in the World, hell we even had history lessons that told the truth about America :eek: :cool:

ShaneMan

06-23-2006, 03:09 PM

We had history lessons in school that encompassed the whole world and not just the greatness of one country :cool:

There's more than one great country?:p

We had history lessons about everything that happened in the World, hell we even had history lessons that told the truth about America :eek: :cool:

How do you know it was the truth? cause someone with a British accent taught it therefor that proves high intellect?

Rich

06-23-2006, 03:25 PM

There's more than one great country?:p

That's very true, when will that philosophy become part of the American college curriculum ? :eek:

How do you know it was the truth?
It was researched without any political or patriotic bias :cool:

ShaneMan

06-23-2006, 03:51 PM

That's very true, when will that philosophy become part of the American college curriculum ? :eek:

It was researched without any political or patriotic bias :cool:

So...can you give me an example of something we were taught as little Americans that was untrue but you, when you were little Brits, found out to be much different and closer to the real truth?

and BTW, do you ever sleep? Isn't it past 1am there?

Rich

06-24-2006, 01:38 AM

and BTW, do you ever sleep? Isn't it past 1am there?
Only babies need sleep Shane, in any event I had to stay up 'till the early hours learning Access whilst running a business.
Now I've learnt to cope with little sleep I come into the cooler to help educate others around the globe. :cool: :D

So...can you give me an example of something we were taught as little Americans that was untrue
Well there was a poster here recently who quoted direct from his sisters school book that the the Quakers were neo conservative thugs.

Here's the truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Society_of_Friends.

That of course is just one example, there's a post on American education on another forum by Americans making the same point as us. Here's a quote

All of those are good reasons. The books are so heavily edited to be politically correct, "kid-friendly" affairs that they leave out all the interesting parts. American textbooks are always pro-American; it wasn't until I was seventeen years old that I realized I would've supported the British in the American revolution...

Many, many high-school history teachers are not qualified. At least here in Iowa, a great deal of them are athletics coaches who have teaching positions so they can work. (It's generally thought that History is the easiest subject to teach. This isn't true, it's just that history teachers aren't expected to make the subject interesting.)

pono1

06-24-2006, 06:49 AM

...it becomes M when you turn it upside down...

I can safely say that my feelings for W are 180 degrees different from my feelings for M.

ShaneMan

06-24-2006, 07:53 AM

Only babies need sleep Shane, in any event I had to stay up 'till the early hours learning Access whilst running a business.
Now I've learnt to cope with little sleep I come into the cooler to help educate others around the globe. :cool: :D

Well there was a poster here recently who quoted direct from his sisters school book that the the Quakers were neo conservative thugs.

Here's the truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Society_of_Friends.

That of course is just one example, there's a post on American education on another forum by Americans making the same point as us. Here's a quote

I guess as much as I would like to defend, I can't. I keep forgetting the difference in how children are taught today compared to when I went to school. I just had my second grandchild on Weds. morning so I'm getting a little long in the tooth. The Quaker thing being taught, I wasn't even aware of. I have said for a while now that our history keeps getting rewritten and it is slanted toward a bias and not facts. The Quakers came here, along with a large number of other folks, to practice religious freedom. They were being put to death for beliefs they had in their home countries, but that isn't taught here anymore and there are people here that will agrue with that. I have read too many books, written by men during that time frame, to know why they came to the colonies. so in conclusion, your point is made. It just always sounds so much worse the way you say it.:D

ColinEssex

06-26-2006, 12:34 AM

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 05:38 AM

Wern't Americans taught that its ok to be offensive to native inhabitants of the US by calling them "Redskins" and to even have offensive names of sporting teams with "redskins" in it.

But its not allowed to have the term "blackskins"? because its offensive?

What would happen if a new team was called "New York Blackskins" would it be allowed?

Col

No, we weren't taught it was OK to offensive in any way. The "redskins" part probably falls in the same category as the thread from a few months back where you guys call Chinese food "chinky." Here in the states that would be considered offensive. College football here is going through different lawsuits with the teams using native American slang names as mascot name. Some of the usual turn of events is there have been native American tribes that have stepped up and helped the universities in the lawsuits to help them keep their mascot names. Don't know what the real bottom line answer is but I do know that we are not taught to be offensive.

ColinEssex

06-26-2006, 06:18 AM

The "redskins" part probably falls in the same category as the thread from a few months back where you guys call Chinese food "chinky." Here in the states that would be considered offensive.
Odd that "redskin" is considered offensive yet it is still used, and it is taking a court case to examine it. I would have thought it should be withdrawn naturally - like Coca-Cola Dasani water was here when we proved it was carcinogenic.:D

Would "blackskin" be offensive?

"Chinky" is not offensive in the UK as it refers to the food not the ethnic status of people. (as you will no doubt recall)

Col

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 06:30 AM

Odd that "redskin" is considered offensive yet it is still used, and it is taking a court case to examine it. I would have thought it should be withdrawn naturally - like Coca-Cola Dasani water was here when we proved it was carcinogenic.:D

Would "blackskin" be offensive?

"Chinky" is not offensive in the UK as it refers to the food not the ethnic status of people. (as you will no doubt recall)

Col

"Chinky", I do recall that is what you said it means in the UK but here in the states it would still be considered offensive.

Do really need me to answer whether "blackskin" would be offensive. I'm sure it probably would, even though I've never heard anyone use that word in any way.

The court case is over multiple schools with many different mascot names. Such as "Utah Utes", "Florida Seminoles", "North Dakota Fighting Sioux", and etc., so the cases are over different schools and from what I understand, I don't thing the native Americans were even behind it. I think it was from one of our many "someone may be offended" groups. We do live in the land of the "offended."

ColinEssex

06-26-2006, 06:41 AM

I think it was from one of our many "someone may be offended" groups. We do live in the land of the "offended."
We have those here:rolleyes:

One headmistress banned the England flag during the world cup football tournament from her school in case it upset non-English children.

Another child was sent home from another school because he sported England colours in his hair.

The English football association head man banned the England flag from flying over their offices in case it offended.

I have to say all the above relented after a public outcry

But its ok to show naked females in adverts on telly advertising body spray:confused:

Col

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 06:50 AM

We have those here:rolleyes:

One headmistress banned the England flag during the world cup football tournament from her school in case it upset non-English children.

Another child was sent home from another school because he sported England colours in his hair.

The English football association head man banned the England flag from flying over their offices in case it offended.

I have to say all the above relented after a public outcry

But its ok to show naked females in adverts on telly advertising body spray:confused:

Col

I don't understand. Why would someone in the UK be offended at the English flag? or having Englands colors in your hair? or English flag flying over offices? That doesn't make sense to me.

During all of this immigration stuff, one of the things that I saw on TV that insulted me was when kids in California took the Mexican flag and put it above the American flag. I wasn't offended, I just thought it was very disrespectful. I think if your going to be in another country then you need to abide by not only the laws of that land but also abide by what is important or respectful to that country. I would not go to any other country and fly my countries flag higher than the flag of the country I'm in. That's disrespectful.

ColinEssex

06-26-2006, 07:18 AM

I don't understand. Why would someone in the UK be offended at the English flag? or having Englands colors in your hair? or English flag flying over offices? That doesn't make sense to me.
Nor to us in the UK - its PC gone mad.

The World Cup football is a great opportunity for our nation to get behind our team and to enjoy the footballing nations. It gives us a break from war, depression, money, work etc.
Many cities have huge screens in the centre so people can watch from the streets, its almost a carnival type atmosphere for a month, yet we get these killjoys who think they know what the people want.

I would not go to any other country and fly my countries flag higher than the flag of the country I'm in. That's disrespectful.
and neither would any other normal person.

What confuses me though, is that all these politically correct things are done "in case" anybody objects. Yet the people who are supposed to object (like Muslims or Asians etc) are totally bemused by it and nobody actuially does object.

Who would go to the English football headquarters in London and say you shouldn't fly the English flag - its totally stupid.

Col

Len Boorman

06-26-2006, 07:26 AM

What confuses me though, is that all these politically correct things are done "in case" anybody objects. Yet the people who are supposed to object (like Muslims or Asians etc) are totally bemused by it and nobody actuially does object.
Col

I'm with you on this one :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

I am also confused :confused: :confused: :confused: why such things as conkers and snowballs are banned by some people as well

I suppose that since my childhood was some time ago before all of this stuff I am indeed lucky to be alive.

Rode bike without helmet
Had roller skates
Played conkers
Threw snowballs (and got them back)
climbed trees

I must have been so lucky to survive :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: isn't it fortumnate that there are now concerned individuals worrying in case I should get upset by something or other

Bunch of daft individuals if you ask me

Len

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 07:29 AM

Nor to us in the UK - its PC gone mad.

The World Cup football is a great opportunity for our nation to get behind our team and to enjoy the footballing nations.

and show pride in your country. Since when has there been something wrong with that?

It gives us a break from war, depression, money, work etc.
Many cities have huge screens in the centre so people can watch from the streets, its almost a carnival type atmosphere for a month, yet we get these killjoys who think they know what the people want.Col

Agreed 100%. These killjoys go around finding something to get upset about and then try to hide behind they are doing what everyone wants them to, when the truth of the matter is the majority does not want it done.

What confuses me though, is that all these politically correct things are done "in case" anybody objects. Yet the people who are supposed to object (like Muslims or Asians etc) are totally bemused by it and nobody actuially does object.

Who would go to the English football headquarters in London and say you shouldn't fly the English flag - its totally stupid.

Col

Agreed again. Most of the time the supposed "offended" really aren't offended at all. "English" football headquarters = can't fly English flag in front of it. Let's see, that makes sense in what way?

BTW noticed England made it to the quarters. Good luck the rest of the way. I'd rather see them make it all the way than anyone else, except for the fact of having to listen to all of "ya'll" trash talk about it.:D

Rich

06-26-2006, 10:57 AM

I suppose that since my childhood was some time ago before all of this stuff I am indeed lucky to be alive.

Rode bike without helmet
Had roller skates
Played conkers
Threw snowballs (and got them back)
climbed trees

I must have been so lucky to survive :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: isn't it fortumnate that there are now concerned individuals worrying in case I should get upset by something or other

Bunch of daft individuals if you ask me

Len

But there weren't any experts around in your days Len ;) :mad:
and of course we weren't part of the American sue all culture then :rolleyes:

Rich

06-26-2006, 11:11 AM

Would "blackskin" be offensive?

Col

Yes, along with communist, socialist, Liberalist, equality, justice :rolleyes:

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 11:29 AM

But there weren't any experts around in your days Len ;) :mad:
and of course we weren't part of the American sue all culture then :rolleyes:

"Part of America's sue all culture " doesn't have anything to do with this, except for your attempt at throwing another dart. Things were the same here back in the olden days. We did all sort of things back in the day, that the experts today will sue over today.

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 11:30 AM

Yes, along with communist, socialist, Liberalist, equality, justice :rolleyes:

Dang Rich, did you wake up on the wrong side of the crib today?

Rich

06-26-2006, 11:35 AM

"Part of America's sue all culture " doesn't have anything to do with this, except for your attempt at throwing another dart. Things were the same here back in the olden days. We did all sort of things back in the day, that the experts today will sue over today.

So why and where did you go wrong and why have you exported it here ? :mad: ;) :p

ShaneMan

06-26-2006, 12:03 PM

So why and where did you go wrong and why have you exported it here ? :mad: ;) :p

Good question. Maybe we went wrong when all of these ultra sensitive groups sprung up and we started hearing about every concern from baby toys to hugging trees and companies making too much money, someone not being called by the right title or else I'll get offended, so on a so forth. Then greed comes in and we have lawyers making laws so that they can turn around and use these laws to bring action against whoever they can just to make money. As far as why we exported it to you. I guess we didn't want to be miserable all by ourselves so we sent a dose of it to the mother country.:p

Rich

06-26-2006, 12:25 PM

As far as why we exported it to you. I guess we didn't want to be miserable all by ourselves so we sent a dose of it to the mother country.:p
We didn't need you to add to our misery, we've got Tony Bliar for that :mad: :mad:

ColinEssex

06-27-2006, 12:52 AM

Actually, I've just successfully sued for compensation following an RTA last October. The amount of "free" money coming soon has enabled me to buy an additional motorbike:D - the Honda Pan European I posted on another thread.

I also successfully complained and got compensation for being mis-sold an endowment mortgage. (without the aid of a no-win-no-fee company)

So there are benefits for persuing a claim, but I disagree with these ridiculous claims that people are awarded.
You know the type - there was a loose paving stone in Leeds and I tripped in London and got £20,000 (thats an example not a fact)

Col

Kraj

06-27-2006, 07:47 AM

My God! The UK is out of control! Your "sue-all" culture is just shameful...

lmnop7854

06-27-2006, 08:04 AM

Why don't we just say that people are people, wherever they come from or live? It would seem that even if our "sue-all" culture rubbed off on the UK, there are people in the UK who think it's a decent enough idea to put to use. So not all of your inhabitants are virtuous, polite, and without shame - they are actually somewhat opportunistic, because even a bad idea sounds like a good one to them. People make their own choices. Even outside the US.

Lisa

ColinEssex

06-28-2006, 12:46 AM

It would seem that even if our "sue-all" culture rubbed off on the UK, there are people in the UK who think it's a decent enough idea to put to use. So not all of your inhabitants are virtuous, polite, and without shame - they are actually somewhat opportunistic, because even a bad idea sounds like a good one to them.
So you're saying it was impolite, shameful, non virtuous and opportunistic of me to claim compensation for an injury (which I still have after 8 months) cause by some stupid woman driver who rear-ended me whilst I was stationary on my motorbike? and just what exactly do you know about my circumstances Lisa, to make you say I am shameful and opportunistic? you know nothing, thats what:mad:

Let me tell you Lisa, my bike was smashed out from under me - and me and the bike skidded across the road narrowly missing other traffic. A motorcycle accident usually means one of 3 things - minor injury, major hospitalised injury, or you're dead.
Don't tell me I'm opportunistic to claim because some brain dead tart can't drive a stupid bloody car.:mad: I was bloody lucky not to have been seriously injured or killed. And all she does is gets out her car and starts bloody crying, she didn't even come over to see if I was injured. I'm led on the road with a massive pain in my leg wondering what has been broken and she's bloody crying?

As for the mortgage, I was deliberately led down a path by an insurance advisor, and given no opportunity to review or compare different mortgage types. As a result, the insurance company fleeced me of alot of money and for no return. The UK Financial Standards Agency regulators have agreed the compensation payout to those in my position, as the insurance companies acted underhandedly and improperly.

If I'm impolite / shameful and opportunistic in your eyes then thats just tough baby. I am not going to be ripped off or injured without recompense through no fault of my own.:mad: especially by some air-brained stupid female driver or some mega-rich insurance company (a company that is American by the way:rolleyes: )

Col

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 02:28 AM

'just tough baby'...:p

Maybe you're simply too old to be riding a scooter :D

ColinEssex

06-28-2006, 03:01 AM

'just tough baby'...:p

Maybe you're simply too old to be riding a scooter :D

Don't you bloody start as well:mad:

perhaps you'd like to tell me what you would do if a stupid woman car driver smacks you whilst you're stationary - does £1400 worth of damage to your bike and gives you a thrombosis in your leg that (I have been told) will always be there.

Just say "shame, never mind"?

Col

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 03:04 AM

Don't you bloody start as well:mad:

perhaps you'd like to tell me what you would do if a stupid woman car driver smacks you whilst you're stationary - does £1400 worth of damage to your bike and gives you a thrombosis in your leg that (I have been told) will always be there.

Just say "shame, never mind"?

Col

Sorry... :o

lmnop7854

06-28-2006, 05:18 AM

So you're saying it was impolite, shameful, non virtuous and opportunistic of me to claim compensation for an injury (which I still have after 8 months) cause by some stupid woman driver who rear-ended me whilst I was stationary on my motorbike? and just what exactly do you know about my circumstances Lisa, to make you say I am shameful and opportunistic? you know nothing, thats what:mad:

Let me tell you Lisa, my bike was smashed out from under me - and me and the bike skidded across the road narrowly missing other traffic. A motorcycle accident usually means one of 3 things - minor injury, major hospitalised injury, or you're dead.
Don't tell me I'm opportunistic to claim because some brain dead tart can't drive a stupid bloody car.:mad: I was bloody lucky not to have been seriously injured or killed. And all she does is gets out her car and starts bloody crying, she didn't even come over to see if I was injured. I'm led on the road with a massive pain in my leg wondering what has been broken and she's bloody crying?

As for the mortgage, I was deliberately led down a path by an insurance advisor, and given no opportunity to review or compare different mortgage types. As a result, the insurance company fleeced me of alot of money and for no return. The UK Financial Standards Agency regulators have agreed the compensation payout to those in my position, as the insurance companies acted underhandedly and improperly.

If I'm impolite / shameful and opportunistic in your eyes then thats just tough baby. I am not going to be ripped off or injured without recompense through no fault of my own.:mad: especially by some air-brained stupid female driver or some mega-rich insurance company (a company that is American by the way:rolleyes: )

Col

Whoa, Nelly!!!! My response was really not directed at you, Colin, and I apologize for any misunderstanding. I am sure your claims are justified. I was actually responding to Rich, with his quote about the "American sue-all culture", as if that idea originated in the US, and couldn't possibly have been something that any other person in any well-meaning country could have come up with. Only us shameless Americans, out for a buck.

Now if you take offense at that, then I would like to request that everyone, on both sides of the pond, dispense with the global hateful remarks. When an individual expresses his/her opinion, it is the reality of the individual, not of their country of origin. And if some of us here in the US don't agree with the edicts of our Commander in Chief, then I would think it should make you UKers believe that there is a God, and that all of us aren't really the evil that is represented by our government.

I'm tired of hearing about how evil America is. I'm not happy with the President, and I didn't vote for him. But I am not an evil person, and I don't sue everyone I see, and I don't kill people in foreign countries, and I don't condone that behavior. Unfortunately, our media displays all of our imperfections loudly across the airwaves, and manyof us get a bad rep as a result. So stop putting words in my mouth, and aligning me with the ideals of my government. If I say I don't believe something, it would just be nice to be trusted at my word, rather than having someone act incredulous that America could have spit out someone with a brain. There are lots of us here.

Lisa

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 06:04 AM

.... I'm tired of hearing about how evil America is. I'm not happy with the President, and I didn't vote for him. But I am not an evil person, and I don't sue everyone I see, and I don't kill people in foreign countries, and I don't condone that behavior. Unfortunately, our media displays all of our imperfections loudly across the airwaves, and manyof us get a bad rep as a result. So stop putting words in my mouth, and aligning me with the ideals of my government. If I say I don't believe something, it would just be nice to be trusted at my word, rather than having someone act incredulous that America could have spit out someone with a brain. There are lots of us here.

Lisa

Go Lisa, Go Lisa... :) :) :)

ColinEssex

06-28-2006, 06:46 AM

I was actually responding to Rich, with his quote about the "American sue-all culture", as if that idea originated in the US,

You didn't say you were responding to Rich. Where do you think the sue-all culture came from?
I posted that I claimed compensation on 2 occasions and you said
It would seem that even if our "sue-all" culture rubbed off on the UK, there are people in the UK who think it's a decent enough idea to put to use. So not all of your inhabitants are virtuous, polite, and without shame - they are actually somewhat opportunistic
That was posted 2 posts after I said I claimed compensation - what was I supposed to think? My interpretation is that you think people that sue for compensation are opportunistic / shameless and impolite and as it was 2 posts after mine, it had to be levelled at me.

Only us shameless Americans, out for a buck.
and there's plenty of evidence of that - hot coffee and McDonalds ring a bell?

I'm tired of hearing about how evil America is. . . . . . .
But I am not an evil person, and I don't sue everyone I see, and I don't kill people in foreign countries, and I don't condone that behavior.
who said you did?
Unfortunately, our media displays all of our imperfections loudly across the airwaves,
Its on our TV and in our papers every day as well as the rest of the world I expect.

So stop putting words in my mouth,
I didn't

Col

Kraj

06-28-2006, 06:57 AM

and there's plenty of evidence of that - hot coffee and McDonalds ring a bell?
Yes, it does. In fact, I hear it every time someone likes to blather about out-of-control lawsuits, and the vast majority of the time the person who brings it up knows next to nothing about the facts of the case.

It sound to me like your situation is exactly the reason lawsuits exist. At this point, I'm just curious (and this was the point of my smarmy comment earlier) if at any point during the process of your own litigation that it occurred to you the vast majority of cases in the U.S. are similar to you own, and the outrageous ones you hear about are really just a tiny slice that gets all the attention?

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 07:03 AM

...are really just a tiny slice that gets all the attention?

Happens a lot - We should call this the forum debate syndrome..:D

Or STATA (Slice That gets All The Attention) ;)

ColinEssex

06-28-2006, 07:07 AM

At this point, I'm just curious (and this was the point of my smarmy comment earlier) if at any point during the process of your own litigation that it occurred to you the vast majority of cases in the U.S. are similar to you own,
Why on earth should I think of the USA? As much as you like to think you are the greatest country in the world, we don't all go round thinking about you. We get enough of the USA shoved down our throats on the news every night thank you.:rolleyes:

But, now you mention it, I bet if I had the same claim in the USA, the payout would be massive and not a couple of thousand like it is here.

Col

Bodisathva

06-28-2006, 07:09 AM

wonk, wonk, wonk...

you're starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher...

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 07:13 AM

But, now you mention it, I bet if I had the same claim in the USA, the payout would be massive and not a couple of thousand like it is here.

Col

Because you probably wouldn't have had a helmet on :eek: ;) :D

Kraj

06-28-2006, 07:21 AM

We get enough of the USA shoved down our throats on the news every night thank you.:rolleyes:
That explains why you spew it back up here each morning. :rolleyes:

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 07:29 AM

That explains why you spew it back up here each morning. :rolleyes:

:eek: :eek:

Shoved down the throat / spew it back up
every night / each morning

Pretty darn good... :D

(No offense Col - ;) )

ColinEssex

06-28-2006, 07:33 AM

wonk, wonk, wonk...

you're starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher...
:confused: Who or what is Charlie Brown and who or what is his teacher?

Because you probably wouldn't have had a helmet on
then my friend I would be dead

That explains why you spew it back up here each morning
spew? hmm good word as we are sick of seeing every night some suited prat spokesman from the Casa Blanca telling us how fab things are going and how fab the USA is at saving the world - oh and we've just killed 200 innocent people - but hey! arn't we doing a great job on terror?

Col

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 07:36 AM

...then my friend I would be dead :eek: :eek:

(Note to self: Always wear helmet ;) )

Bodisathva

06-28-2006, 07:57 AM

:confused: Who or what is Charlie Brown and who or what is his teacher? Sorry, I forgot, you only get the horrible, bad, ugly news from the US and none of the culture.

Ken? Kraj? Since I'm at work can someone locate a sound-byte of Charlie Brown's teacher for Col?:D

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 08:05 AM

Sorry, I forgot, you only get the horrible, bad, ugly news from the US and none of the culture.

Ken? Kraj? Since I'm at work can someone locate a sound-byte of Charlie Brown's teacher for Col?:D

These are all I can find - Link (http://www.wavcentral.com/tv/cbrown.html)

(But the first one on the second page is kinda appropriate...;) )

Kraj

06-28-2006, 08:10 AM

Pretty darn good... :D

(No offense Col - ;) )
Thanks Ken. :) I thought that was pretty clever if I do say so myself. :D

spew? hmm good word as we are sick of seeing every night some suited prat spokesman from the Casa Blanca telling us how fab things are going and how fab the USA is at saving the world - oh and we've just killed 200 innocent people - but hey! arn't we doing a great job on terror?

Col
I thought Casablanca was in Morroco? :confused:

Ken? Kraj? Since I'm at work can someone locate a sound-byte of Charlie Brown's teacher for Col?:D
Here ya go :)

http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/play.cfm/sound_iid.4741

KenHigg

06-28-2006, 08:14 AM

Here ya go :)

http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/play.cfm/sound_iid.4741

That was so close to reality here in the 'cooler it was spooky :eek: :p :p

(Do I owe 'em $1.85 for my listening to it? :) )

lmnop7854

06-28-2006, 11:23 AM

You didn't say you were responding to Rich. Where do you think the sue-all culture came from?

Colin, I also said

My response was really not directed at you, Colin, and I apologize for any misunderstanding. I am sure your claims are justified.

who said you did?

Perhaps my wording was inappropriate. No one has said anything to me personally, but I have seen several comments submitted to different threads where a person's opinion was responded to as if it was being disputed, based on them being an American. When something appears on your TV as popular opinion in this country, then it must be true. I would think it would be refreshing for you to see that the popular opinion you see on TV really isn't as true as it is portrayed, based on the opinions you see here. I mean, for God's sake, even I don't believe everything I hear on TV or read in the newspapers, about my own country. Why do you? Do you beleive everything your media tells you about your own country? Is there no bias in the media there?

Lisa

Rich

06-28-2006, 12:29 PM

and none of the culture.

Do you have any ? :confused: :p

Rich

06-28-2006, 01:01 PM

as if that idea originated in the US,
Lisa

It did

Only us shameless Americans, out for a buck.

It's part of the capitalist ethos

I'm not happy with the President, and I didn't vote for him.

The Majority did

But I am not an evil person,

never said you were

and I don't sue everyone I see,
never said you did

and I don't kill people in foreign countries,
never said you did

and I don't condone that behavior.
never said you did

Unfortunately, our media displays all of our imperfections loudly across the airwaves, and manyof us get a bad rep as a result.

we don't watch your media :confused:

So stop putting words in my mouth, .

I've never done anything of the sort

and aligning me with the ideals of my government.
never done anything of the sort

If I say I don't believe something, it would just be nice to be trusted at my word,

never doubted it or said anything different

rather than having someone act incredulous that America could have spit out someone with a brain.

We know some Americans have brains, we've frequently heaped praise on the likes of Clinton, Roosevelt etc., sadly there aren't enough of you at the moment and please read some more of our posts before jumping to the conclusion that we think you're all stupid warmongers

MrsGorilla

06-28-2006, 02:01 PM

We know some Americans have brains, we've frequently heaped praise on the likes of Clinton, Roosevelt etc.,

They're the only ones with brains? Is that what your media tells you?

sadly there aren't enough of you at the moment

How do you know? How many Americans do you regularly speak with? How much time do you spend over here? So how could you possibly say that Americans don't have brains because Bush is in the White House? We could then, by the same token, say that people in the UK don't have brains because Blair is the PM. You guys voted him in, didn't you? And you're just as unhappy with him as people are with Bush? Makes sense, doesn't it? I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just trying to understand how you could say that...

and please read some more of our posts before jumping to the conclusion that we think you're all stupid warmongers

Sadly, reading your posts is where one would get the idea that you think all Americans are stupid warmongers. :(

Rich

06-28-2006, 02:23 PM

They're the only ones with brains? Is that what your media tells you?

Our media didn't tell me who to put on the list, those two stood out because oddly enough they've been vilified by Americans here, probably Republicans :D
I could list more;)

How many Americans do you regularly speak with?

Thousands, online here and elsewhere ;)

So how could you possibly say that Americans don't have brains
Where have I said that? :confused:

You guys voted him in, didn't you?
Oddly enough no we didn't, he got elected with a minority share of the vote, Bush got elected with a majority

And you're just as unhappy with him as people are with Bush
We're a great deal more unhappy with Bliar than even Bush, he destroyed our being seen as a country with a sense of fair play and justice overnight :mad: :mad:
Our European neighbours won't even vote for us any more because they think he was acting on our behalf, the vast majority of the UK were dead set against the war in Iraq, cabinet ministers even resigned over it at the time.

Sadly, reading your posts is where one would get the idea that you think all Americans are stupid warmongers

No we're just trying to make sure you don't elect jingoists like Bush again :)

MrsGorilla

06-28-2006, 02:50 PM

Thousands, online here and elsewhere ;)

So, how many of said Americans would you say "had brains"? And then, would you say that you thought they were representative of the American population or an anomoly?

Where have I said that?

You said there weren't enough of us just a few posts ago. I was replying to that. ;)

Oddly enough no we didn't, he got elected with a minority share of the vote, Bush got elected with a majority

I'm still not sure I understand how someone can get elected with a minority share of the vote. :confused:

We're a great deal more unhappy with Bliar than even Bush, he destroyed our being seen as a country with a sense of fair play and justice overnight :mad: :mad:
Our European neighbours won't even vote for us any more because they think he was acting on our behalf, the vast majority of the UK were dead set against the war in Iraq, cabinet ministers even resigned over it at the time.

Good. Then you know how we feel. :D Trust me, the majority of Americans are not happy with how we are portrayed in the media, or with the fact that our reputation and credibility with the rest of the world has plummeted. It does nothing to help matters when our soldiers commit heinous acts toward Iraqi prisoners, even though I know the vast majority of our soldiers are doing a fantastic job. Sadly, the good ones don't get any recognition, only the twisted few who are criminals themselves get all of the media attention (another reason why I don't watch much news any more). :rolleyes:

No we're just trying to make sure you don't elect jingoists like Bush again :)

I've already decided, I'm voting for Jeb if he runs, just to spite you. :rolleyes: :D

Rich

06-28-2006, 02:56 PM

I've already decided, I'm voting for Jeb if he runs, just to spite you. :rolleyes: :D

You do realise he'll repeal all the crash helmet laws to start with ;) :D

ShaneMan

06-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Do you have any ? :confused: :p

Never miss an opportunity do ya? Jab and run.

MrsGorilla

06-28-2006, 05:08 PM

You do realise he'll repeal all the crash helmet laws to start with ;) :D

Then we'll have mass chaos on the roads from then on. :cool: :p

By the way, I'm sure we've covered this before, but do you have helmet laws over there?

Rich

06-28-2006, 10:17 PM

By the way, I'm sure we've covered this before, but do you have helmet laws over there?

Both motorcyclist and pillion passenger must wear an approved safety helmet on all journeys. Under The Motor Cycle Crash Helmet (Religious Exemptions) Act 1976, this regulation does not apply to a follower of the Sikh religion while he is wearing a turban.

Rich

06-28-2006, 10:29 PM

Never miss an opportunity do ya? Jab and run.

Do you ever see the funny side of anything ? :confused:

Rich

06-28-2006, 10:37 PM

So, how many of said Americans would you say "had brains"? And then, would you say that you thought they were representative of the American population or an anomoly?

I did find this snippet

"# The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (The New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

# The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

# One-third of our science teachers and one-half of our math teachers did not major in those subjects. (Quoted on "The West Wing," but you can trust it -- their researchers are legendary.)

# Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

# "The International Adult Literacy Survey ... found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

# Our workers are so ignorant, and lack so many basic skills, that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!

Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth? Suddenly some of the opinion poll findings I see make more sense.

Read the whole piece to see why America may not "Number 1" anymore:

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion."

ColinEssex

06-29-2006, 12:15 AM

I thought Casablanca was in Morroco? :confused:

Casa Blanca is Spanish for "White House" - it was a mild attempt at injecting some humour whilst Lisa was being critical over my compensation claims.

I mean, for God's sake, even I don't believe everything I hear on TV or read in the newspapers, about my own country. Why do you?
Its a well known fact your TV is censored to show only the good stuff in your governments attempt to destroy the world.
On the BBC however, we have uncensored unbiased reporting, which is why we see the full horror of what the USA is doing, whereas you don't.

We see the Iraqi children dying in hospitals in Baghdad because the USA has stopped any hope of drugs getting through via the Red Cross or Medicine Sans Frontiere.
We see people injured with limbs missing after an American attack. We see normal people shot to death in their cars because the US soldiers thought they were insurgents approaching a checkpoint.
We see people living in squalor and dying of disease because the USA has blown their house (or whole block) to pieces because they erroneously thought the 'baddies' were in there, so there is no fresh water, no sewerage so its all on the streets full of disease. Then the USA just leave the people and move on to the next killing ground.
We see people begging the BBC news reporters to broadcast that they want to get Saddam back in power to stop the American bloodshed.

Then we see this stupid tit from the white house saying how fab things are in Iraq and that things are progressing really well.

Is the White House spokesman is telling us crap when he says how fab the USA is doing? and here's us thinking that 25,000 innocent deaths was a good thing because the White House says so.:rolleyes:

All these things are seen worldwide - except in America - thats why the USA is the most hated country on the planet and thats why Mr and Mrs Normal American can't understand it.

My response was really not directed at you Actually I predicted you would squirm out of it:rolleyes:

Col

Rich

06-29-2006, 01:03 AM

We see people begging the BBC news reporters to broadcast that they want to get Saddam back in power to stop the American bloodshed.

Col
What is ironic is that under Hussein Christians were allowed to practice freely, they aren't now, even Muslim women weren't oppressed, they are now.

What I fail to understand is how Nixon was removed for a lie over some minor office break in, yet Bush:rolleyes:

ColinEssex

06-29-2006, 02:25 AM

I've already decided, I'm voting for Jeb if he runs, just to spite you. :rolleyes: :D
Its a shame that by doing that you'll condemn at least another few thousand US soldiers to death and countless innocent people. All because you want to spite an English person? Is that how Americans vote? just to spite someone else? or do their policies and mandates ever come into the frame

There's no way Jeb will be any different from his daddy or his brother - he will want his name to live forever - in whatever light that may be.

Col

lmnop7854

06-29-2006, 03:48 AM

Casa Blanca is Spanish for "White House" - it was a mild attempt at injecting some humour whilst Lisa was being critical over my compensation claims.

I already said I wasn't criticizing you. I already apologized.

Actually I predicted you would squirm out of it:rolleyes:

I don't care how funny you are trying to be, Colin, this pisses me off. I am NOT trying to squirm out of anything. The fact that my post followed yours is an unfortunate turn of events, because now you're all on my butt for it. Well, as usual, you UK people can't accept an apology when you see it, and I can quote different threads that show that Rich is equally obtuse about apologies. So I can lump both of you into a universe of UK people and make the grand assumption that all of you can't forgive and forget, even when a genuine apology is made.

Lisa

lmnop7854

06-29-2006, 03:55 AM

Its a shame that by doing that you'll condemn at least another few thousand US soldiers to death and countless innocent people.

As if one person's vote would make all the difference. Cindy was JOKING. Foreign concept for you these days, Colin?

Lisa

ShaneMan

06-29-2006, 04:06 AM

Do you ever see the funny side of anything ? :confused:

Yes, all the time....when it's funny. Maybe I just don't think it's funny to dig and then come back and say, "oh I was only kidding." My Dad does that alot. Cuts people down and then turns around and say's I was only kidding.

ColinEssex

06-29-2006, 04:12 AM

As if one person's vote would make all the difference. Cindy was JOKING. Foreign concept for you these days, Colin?

Lisa
A joke? - oh I see, so when Cindy said "I've already decided" she was in fact lying - ok, thats cool:cool:

One vote would have made a difference in your governments "burn the flag" debate the other day.

Also, it doesn't hurt pointing out what will heppen when the voting populace votes in yet another warmongering, money grabbing President.:rolleyes:

Col

ColinEssex

06-29-2006, 04:19 AM

I don't care how funny you are trying to be, Colin, this pisses me off.
I wasn't aware I had made a joke

Well, as usual, you UK people can't accept an apology when you see it, and I can quote different threads that show that Rich is equally obtuse about apologies.
Ok, lets have a look and decide.

So I can lump both of you into a universe of UK people and make the grand assumption that all of you can't forgive and forget, even when a genuine apology is made.
You are entitled to your opinion whether it be true or false

Col

Kraj

06-29-2006, 06:37 AM

I'm still not sure I understand how someone can get elected with a minority share of the vote. :confused:
It's because in the UK they have more than two major policital parties. (In fact, there are currently a total of 10 different parties who hold seats in the House of Commons. Only three have significant number, though.) It is the rule, not the execption, that the PM gets elected with a minority of the popular vote since the other two candidates combined usually garner a larger vote. Margaret Thatcher, for example, defeated the incumbent in 1979 with 43.9% of the popular vote.

Casa Blanca is Spanish for "White House" - it was a mild attempt at injecting some humour whilst Lisa was being critical over my compensation claims.
Oh I know. I was just being a smartass. :D

Its a well known fact your TV is censored to show only the good stuff in your governments attempt to destroy the world.
To paraphrase a logical fallacy, repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. You love to claim American TV is censored but have no real proof. Is there is difference between what is shown on UK and US TV? Absolutely. But you completely mistake the reasons. For our TV broadcassts to be censored, the government would have to intervene and dictate what can and cannot be seen. They do this to a small degree, but largely affect only network stations; cable/satelite broadcasts (including CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, BBCA, etc.) more or less can show anything they damn well please.

They don't show the things you list not because the government tells them not to, but because it would hurt their ratings. We don't want to see such things on television. If American TV news doesn't give the American people the full story, don't blame the governement and don't blame the news, blame the American people.

ShaneMan

06-29-2006, 06:51 AM

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion."

Thanks for taking the opportunity to not answer Ms. G's question but once again point out "your opinion" of how war crazy, broke, indebt, and the lack of thinking clearly, us Americans are. Would have been disappointed if you would have done it any other way.:rolleyes:

MrsGorilla

06-29-2006, 07:02 AM

# Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

Am I the only one who finds this hard to believe? I wonder who they polled to come up with that?

ColinEssex

06-29-2006, 07:05 AM

Oh I know. I was just being a smartass. :D
no change there then:p

You love to claim American TV is censored but have no real proof.
See the film Fahrenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore gives proof of doctored press releases, government hush-ups etc etc.

We don't want to see such things on television
Maybe you should - it brings home the true horror and stupididy of war

Col

ColinEssex

06-29-2006, 07:07 AM

Brianwarnock

06-29-2006, 08:38 AM

So I can lump both of you into a universe of UK people and make the grand assumption that all of you can't forgive and forget, even when a genuine apology is made.

Lisa

Please don't do that Lisa,why tar yourself with their brush as only two UKers spend their time having a go at America at every opportunity, and it has been known for some of us both to give and accept apologies on this site.

Brian

Bodisathva

06-29-2006, 09:04 AM

Here ya go :)
http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/play.cfm/sound_iid.4741Thanks, Kraj. Well done!

...maybe I can get the language bar to play that sound when it reads Col & Rich's posts?:eek:

Kraj

06-29-2006, 09:11 AM

See the film Fahrenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore gives proof of doctored press releases, government hush-ups etc etc.
*Sigh* I avoided seeing that movie for the simple fact that I already hated Bush with a passion and didn't really want to spend two hours learning why I should hate him even more. Perhaps, though, it's time I give it a try and see for myself what I think about it.

Maybe you should - it brings home the true horror and stupididy of war
No argument on that one. I have a feeling that it would simply be lost on the general populace, though. When I see a movie like Saving Private Ryan or even Titanic, I think to myself, "This happened. I may be watching actors on a screen right now, but somebody's son had his chest explode at Normandy." What I see on the screen isn't real, but it did happen.

Most people I've observed do not experience things that way. Images on a screen are just images on a screen. That exploded chest wasn't someone's son, it was just something "cool" or "gross". Whether you make a documentary about Iraq or show a battle in full swing on CNN, people will still look at it like images on a screen. The only way for such people to really experience the true horror and stupidity of war is to be in one. Or maybe to lose a loved one in one.

Rich

06-29-2006, 09:51 AM

and I can quote different threads that show that Rich is equally obtuse about apologies. Lisa

I await with baited breath and wonder why an American brings the topic down to a personal level of attack :confused:

Rich

06-29-2006, 10:01 AM

Thanks for taking the opportunity to not answer Ms. G's question but once again point out "your opinion" of how war crazy, broke, indebt, and the lack of thinking clearly, us Americans are. Would have been disappointed if you would have done it any other way.:rolleyes:

Now I know we've discussed just how poor the standard of education is these days in the States, but what makes you think the quote is attributable to me.
Had you read the thread more slowly you would have noticed several uses of the term "we", i.e. an American talking about America.
I know this will come as something of a shock but I'm not American :eek: :rolleyes:

Rich

06-29-2006, 10:11 AM

By the way, I'm sure we've covered this before, but do you have helmet laws over there?

Why did you have to bring motorbikes into the conversation, I had a dream last night because of it.:mad:

There we were about to set off on our bikes when a voice from behind said,
"hiyalllllllll, howya doin", I recognised it immediately, it was that Kenny Higg fellow.
We invited him to come out on the bikes with us, he jumped up on the bike and delivered a speech about how no government was going to tell him what to wear and declined to join us.
Having delivered his sermon on the mount he jumped on the plane and buggered off back home again saying I only popped in to say hello anyway. :eek:

Either I need help or it's that bloody Californian wine :confused: :D

KenHigg

06-29-2006, 10:37 AM

Why did you have to bring motorbikes into the conversation, I had a dream last night because of it.:mad:

There we were about to set off on our bikes when a voice from behind said,
"hiyalllllllll, howya doin", I recognised it immediately, it was that Kenny Higg fellow.
We invited him to come out on the bikes with us, he jumped up on the bike and delivered a speech about how no government was going to tell him what to wear and declined to join us.
Having delivered his sermon on the mount he jumped on the plane and buggered off back home again saying I only popped in to say hello anyway. :eek:

Either I need help or it's that bloody Californian wine :confused: :D

Maybe that was just my excuse for not wanting to ride on one your girlie scooters... :p

Rich

06-29-2006, 10:50 AM

Maybe that was just my excuse for not wanting to ride on one your girlie scooters... :p

You mean a real machine that's too fast for you :cool: :p

KenHigg

06-29-2006, 10:57 AM

You mean a real machine that's too fast for you :cool: :p

Too fast - Probably :p :p

ShaneMan

06-29-2006, 02:21 PM

Now I know we've discussed just how poor the standard of education is these days in the States, but what makes you think the quote is attributable to me.
Had you read the thread more slowly you would have noticed several uses of the term "we", i.e. an American talking about America.
I know this will come as something of a shock but I'm not American :eek: :rolleyes:

Let's see, your arrogant, rude, offends without ever an apology, opinionated, doesn't play well with others, your right your not American. Must be a Brit.

BTW I did read it slow enough that's why my comment was only on this part:

Originally Posted by Rich
The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion."

Didn't see any "we" there so I figured it had to have come from "you!"

ShaneMan

06-29-2006, 02:28 PM

Sounds like you knew that already without Rich's clarification

Col

dang what an incredible quick wit you have and funny too. Does that come natural or do you have to work at it? Maybe it was just the country you were born in.

Rich

06-29-2006, 09:11 PM

Let's see, your arrogant, rude, offends without ever an apology, opinionated, doesn't play well with others, your right your not American. Must be a Brit.

Tut, tut, tut, an Anglophobe who slings personal insults at a member simply because of an article written and researched in his own country by a fellow American was posted by said member.

Let's see, an American who's leader invades a country using lie after lie leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis without once admitting he was wrong wants to lecture me on morals, I don't bloody well think so!:rolleyes:

Oh and by the way, sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, fire away

Rich

06-29-2006, 11:15 PM

It's because in the UK they have more than two major policital parties.
Yes and sadly the Monster Raving Loony party led by Screaming Lord Such no longer exists, there's just no viable option either :mad: :cool:

ShaneMan

06-30-2006, 03:30 AM

Tut, tut, tut, an Anglophobe who slings personal insults at a member simply because of an article written and researched in his own country by a fellow American was posted by said member.

An "Anglophobe", not hardly, but it does further proves the arrogants of Brits to have a word that would mean someone could actually fear them and their culture. Yea, right. The word maybe should go to Australia. At least there their men are tough.

I didn't comment off of the reasearch done in this country, which was reasearch done by a liberal newspaper (most of the quotes), so it's always going to make me say "hey, that must be right." I commented off of the last line you threw in. Same jargon just in a different way.

Let's see, an American who's leader invades a country using lie after lie leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis without once admitting he was wrong wants to lecture me on morals, I don't bloody well think so!:rolleyes:

You have opinions and your "reliable" media to come with your "facts" to make statements like this, outside of this, there is no possible way for you to know what your talking about.

Oh and by the way, sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, fire away

Yea, learned that one in grade school. It was corny and untrue then as well as now. Bones heal, cutting words can stay with you for life. Didn't necessarily call you one, just said your fitting in with the stereotype.

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 05:35 AM

Let's see, an American who's leader invades a country using lie after lie leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis without once admitting he was wrong wants to lecture me on morals, I don't bloody well think so!:rolleyes:

LMAO :D :D :D

and some more :D :D :D :D

must take in air...

note to self: add new surreal Rich logic to list

...
567) Inept country leader disqualifies all individual citizens of same country from possessing sound morals.

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 05:39 AM

Why on earth should I think of the USA? As much as you like to think you are the greatest country in the world, we don't all go round thinking about you.

:D :D :D :D :D

...

...

... Ok I've had to ... break out the oxygen tent here ... ...

... ...

breathe...

breathe...

Matt Greatorex

06-30-2006, 05:52 AM

An "Anglophobe", not hardly, but it does further proves the arrogants of Brits to have a word that would mean someone could actually fear them and their culture.

Yep, arrogant Brits like Thomas Jefferson http://www.answers.com/topic/anglophobia
'We' have the word because someone from the US came up with it.;)

Also
1) if Rich is p*ssing you off, have a go at Rich.
Lumping us all in with him makes you no better than he is, so how about giving it a rest, eh?
2) Anglophobia,as the name suggests, refers to the English, not the British. You do know that Scotland, Wales and Ireland are different countries?:mad:

lmnop7854

06-30-2006, 05:53 AM

Please don't do that Lisa,why tar yourself with their brush as only two UKers spend their time having a go at America at every opportunity, and it has been known for some of us both to give and accept apologies on this site.

Brian

You are right, Brian. Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity. And PS, wish I was retired too.

Lisa

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 05:54 AM

Ok, I've got my breath back ...

Rich, this is why I laughed so much .. just a few posts earlier you responded to Lisa's request to stop

aligning me with the ideals of my government.

with this...

never done anything of the sort

and then you say this in the very same thread...

Let's see, an American who's leader invades a country using lie after lie leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis without once admitting he was wrong wants to lecture me on morals, I don't bloody well think so!:rolleyes:

You're usually so much better at covering your tracks but this one was a real humdinger. Thanks for the laughs, must go back to work now :p

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 06:00 AM

Also
1) if Rich is p*ssing you off, have a go at Rich.
Lumping us all in with him makes you no better than he is, so how about giving it a rest, eh?

Most upsetting isn't it but I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you.

Lisa has apologised...

lmnop7854

06-30-2006, 06:01 AM

You're usually so much better at covering your tracks but this one was a real humdinger. Thanks for the laughs, must go back to work now :p

Well, Dan, let me see if I can predict Rich's answer - he didn't ever make any comments to me that aligned me with my government, he did it to Shaneman. Let's see what he says.

Lisa

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 06:04 AM

Well, Dan, let me see if I can predict Rich's answer - he didn't ever make any comments to me that aligned me with my government, he did it to Shaneman. Let's see what he says.

Lisa

I've got my oxygen at the ready ...:D

Matt Greatorex

06-30-2006, 06:04 AM

Most upsetting isn't it but I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you.

Lisa has apologised...

Who's Lisa? I was replying to the comment by ShaneMan.

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 06:08 AM

Who's Lisa? I was replying to the comment by ShaneMan.

You're right, I've been laughing so much, I've lost my bearings.

My apologies...

Kraj

06-30-2006, 06:18 AM

I found this comment quite hilarious:
Let's see, an American who's leader invades a country using lie after lie leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis without once admitting he was wrong wants to lecture me on morals, I don't bloody well think so!:rolleyes:
You are more than happy to lecture every American (or really anyone who disgagrees with you, be they from America or Zimbabwe) on morals, yet you have pointed out on many occassions how your leader is just as culpable for this behavior as ours is.

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 06:43 AM

I found this comment quite hilarious:

You are more than happy to lecture every American (or really anyone who disgagrees with you, be they from America or Zimbabwe) on morals, yet you have pointed out on many occassions how your leader is just as culpable for this behavior as ours is.

I can't see the casket for the nails... :D :D

Rich

06-30-2006, 09:06 AM

yet you have pointed out on many occassions how your leader is just as culpable for this behavior as ours is.

I've never said he wasn't, I posted a quote that anyone with a basic grasp of the English language could see was written by an American, not me.
In a typical American christian response Shame Man decided to shoot the messenger in a shameful and vitriolic personal attack.
Still, nothing new there eh:rolleyes:

KenHigg

06-30-2006, 09:11 AM

'vitriolic personal attack.'

vit·ri·ol·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vtr-lk)
adj.
- Of, similar to, or derived from a vitriol.
- Bitterly scathing; caustic: vitriolic criticism

Oh dear, what shall we do...:p :p

Rich

06-30-2006, 09:14 AM

Oh dear, what shall we do...:p :p

Sit down, pay attention and be quiet! :mad: :p

KenHigg

06-30-2006, 09:17 AM

Sit down, pay attention and be quiet! :mad: :p

Yes mam. :(

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 09:28 AM

Oh dear, what shall we do...:p :p

Do we have a doctor in the house? :D

Rich

06-30-2006, 09:31 AM

Lisa has apologised...

Not to me she hasn't :rolleyes:

dan-cat

06-30-2006, 09:34 AM

Not to me she hasn't :rolleyes:

Silly me, I forgot you only accept formal apologies written in blood :p

Rich

06-30-2006, 09:50 AM

Well, Dan, let me see if I can predict Rich's answer - he didn't ever make any comments to me that aligned me with my government, he did it to Shaneman. Let's see what he says.

Lisa

No! you and Shame Man reacted to an off the cuff remark about "the American sue all culture"

Here's a quote from
Deborah Hensler, the Judge John W. Ford Professor of Dispute Resolution at Stanford Law School, is director of the Stanford Center on Conflict and Negotiation.

write and tell them their just bloody well anti American

It was not until the mid-1990s, nearly 20 years later, that the growth in securities and consumer litigation stirred renewed controversy over class actions. By 2000—with “traditional” mass tort litigation (such as asbestos cases) surging and state attorneys general targeting the tobacco, gun, managed care, and fast food industries—mass torts and class-action reform were back in the headlines. Now, mass tort lawsuits, including class actions, are spreading worldwide.

A Global “Disease”?
Much has been written about the benefits and costs of the expansion of mass litigation. One thing is clear: When it comes to civil litigation, the old adage “there’s strength in numbers” has special meaning. For good or ill, mass litigation, in all its varied forms, has unlocked the courthouse doors to Americans with diverse claims ranging from discrimination to consumer fraud to personal injury to violations of human rights.

But what happens outside the United States? A decade ago, I was often introduced to foreign audiences as an expert on “the American disease,” defined variously as “popular litigiousness,” “contingent fee lawyering,” and “class actions run amok.” Foreign corporate representatives said they wanted to learn more about American-style litigation so they could determine how to keep it from their shores. American corporate representatives offered data showing the slimness of their litigation budgets for products marketed abroad, compared with budgets for products marketed here at home.

Tasslehoff

06-30-2006, 09:59 AM

I'm still not sure I understand how someone can get elected with a minority share of the vote. :confused:

Actually, that can happen here in the USA as well. The electoral college hasn't been completely eradicated :D The idea was that the STATES elect the President, not the people.

Rich

06-30-2006, 12:38 PM

I commented off of the last line you threw in.
American justice on display yet again :rolleyes:
oh and by the way just to put turd in your custard and prove that I didn't "throw anything in" here's the link, try reading it for yourself, that's if you can see through your fogged glasses
http://www.brianarner.com/weblog/archives/001527.html

Kraj

06-30-2006, 07:43 PM

write and tell them their just bloody well anti American
Well, I don't disagree with their observations, however...
But what happens outside the United States? A decade ago, I was often introduced to foreign audiences as an expert on “the American disease,”
I find such terms to be utterly abhorant, and their usage of it does, in fact, strongly suggest an irrational anti-American bias. It wasn't too long ago, after all, that AIDS was referred to as "the gay disease", was it?

Rich

06-30-2006, 10:49 PM

I find such terms to be utterly abhorant, and their usage of it does, in fact, strongly suggest an irrational anti-American bias.

And by the same token the term "The American Dream" strongly suggest an irrational pro American bias, that's rammed down our throats by your establishment.
Should I start to take it apart?

And what's the "Statute of limitations" all about ?

Kraj

07-01-2006, 08:38 AM

And by the same token the term "The American Dream" strongly suggest an irrational pro American bias, that's rammed down our throats by your establishment.
Should I start to take it apart?
:rolleyes:

And what's the "Statute of limitations" all about ?
"Statute of limitations" means that there is a legal period of time in which you can file a lawsuit or be sued/prosecuted. The purpose is to prevent using the passage of an unreasonable amount of time to the advantage of one party. For example, if someone smashes their auto into yours and it was completely their fault, you have a year (hypothetically) to sue them for damage to your car, hospital bills, etc., if they won't pay. You can't sue someone for hitting your auto ten years ago, though. Or on the flip side, if you batter someone you could potentially be prosecuted for it for the nexy, say, three years. After that, you cannot be put on trial for the crime. Some crimes have no statute of limitation. Murder, for example; perhaps even all violent felonies, but I'm not sure.

Rich

07-01-2006, 12:43 PM

Some crimes have no statute of limitation. Murder, for example;

not according to this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13636511
as I see it BinLiner could holiday in the US in a few years time.
I note you were lost for words on the "American Dream" challenge

ShaneMan

07-02-2006, 06:49 AM

Yep, arrogant Brits like Thomas Jefferson http://www.answers.com/topic/anglophobia
'We' have the word because someone from the US came up with it.;)

Also
1) if Rich is p*ssing you off, have a go at Rich.
Lumping us all in with him makes you no better than he is, so how about giving it a rest, eh?

First of all Rich hasn't p*ssed me off. It just gets old, very old, listening to his and Colins constant remarks about our country, our president, our government, and our people, so I thought I would fight fire with fire. They make general statements so I will too. Your right it doesn't make me any better than them so it was a bad idea. Just wondering though, why haven't you ever stepped in and asked Colin and Rich to "give it a rest"?

2) Anglophobia,as the name suggests, refers to the English, not the British. You do know that Scotland, Wales and Ireland are different countries?:mad:

Yes I do know Scotland and others are countries too and are part of GB, I just didn't keep that in mind, when I was trying to write my slams. Sorry

ShaneMan

07-02-2006, 06:57 AM

I've never said he wasn't, I posted a quote that anyone with a basic grasp of the English language could see was written by an American, not me.
In a typical American christian response Shame Man decided to shoot the messenger in a shameful and vitriolic personal attack.
Still, nothing new there eh:rolleyes:

"Shame Man", that's a good one Rich. Hadn't heard that one since I was in, oh the 5th grade. "Shameful and vitriolic personal attack?" Poor Rich, plays in the sugar bowl but doesn't plan on eatting. You go around messing with the bulls and now your shock that you got his horns? Are you really so one sided that you can not see the hot poker you use on people and then are "shocked" by their reaction? Even in this sentence to get your point across, you did it again, "TYPICAL AMERICAN CHRISTIAN", wonder why folks react to you the way they do?

ShaneMan

07-02-2006, 07:03 AM

No! you and Shame Man reacted to an off the cuff remark about "the American sue all culture"

No I didn't. I reacted to your "off the cuff remark" here, but really only to this part "The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.":

Quote: Originally by Mrs. Gorilla
So, how many of said Americans would you say "had brains"? And then, would you say that you thought they were representative of the American population or an anomoly?

I did find this snippet

"# The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (The New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

# The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

# One-third of our science teachers and one-half of our math teachers did not major in those subjects. (Quoted on "The West Wing," but you can trust it -- their researchers are legendary.)

# Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

# "The International Adult Literacy Survey ... found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

# Our workers are so ignorant, and lack so many basic skills, that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!

Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth? Suddenly some of the opinion poll findings I see make more sense.

Read the whole piece to see why America may not "Number 1" anymore:

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion."

dan-cat

07-02-2006, 07:48 AM

Just wondering though, why haven't you ever stepped in and asked Colin and Rich to "give it a rest"?

Well duh!, the words "blood" and "stone" spring to mind... ;)

Rich

07-02-2006, 10:01 AM

No I didn't. I reacted to your "off the cuff remark" here, but really only to this part "The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.":

Nice try but once again you can't read or do your own research, I'll type this in capitals to make it easier for you to read, IT WAS WRITTEN BY AN AMERICAN, NOT ME.
Why not do the normal American thing and shoot him or her, as the case may be, for treason? :rolleyes:

Rich

07-02-2006, 10:04 AM

Just wondering though, why haven't you ever stepped in and asked Colin and Rich to "give it a rest"?

Because he, like Colin and me, lives in a free country

ShaneMan

07-02-2006, 11:35 AM

Because he, like Colin and me, lives in a free country

and that makes sense how? He wouldn't tell Heckle and Jeckle to give it a rest because they live in a free country?

ShaneMan

07-02-2006, 11:43 AM

Nice try but once again you can't read or do your own research, I'll type this in capitals to make it easier for you to read, IT WAS WRITTEN BY AN AMERICAN, NOT ME.
Why not do the normal American thing and shoot him or her, as the case may be, for treason? :rolleyes:

Let's see how Heckle finished this one: "Why not do the normal American thing and shoot him or her, as the case may be, for treason?

The NORMAL AMERICAN thing. How many folks have we shot for treason lately? See you just throw stupid trash talking stuff in just to get a reaction.
Talking to you about this stuff is like wiping your butt on a bicycle tire, there ain't no end to it!:rolleyes:

ShaneMan

07-02-2006, 11:55 AM

American justice on display yet again :rolleyes:
oh and by the way just to put turd in your custard and prove that I didn't "throw anything in" here's the link, try reading it for yourself, that's if you can see through your fogged glasses
http://www.brianarner.com/weblog/archives/001527.html

OK, I have now read your great source for your quote. The last line is in there and it did not come from you. (it just sounded like one of yours:) ). What I'm a little confused about is this guy is a American Christian. Seventh Day Adventist. Why are you, of all people, using him for a quote source? because it says what you like and agree with?

P.S. Here's you a link you can look at. Even the London survey has more USA universites rated for higher education than another other countries and there's some speculation to their bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities

Rich

07-02-2006, 11:25 PM

P.S. Here's you a link you can look at. Even the London survey has more USA universites rated for higher education than another other countries and there's some speculation to their bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities

Well let's take a look at it, the top four, two are American, two are British, you're 5 times the size of us, doesn't look quite so good now, does it

Rich

07-02-2006, 11:33 PM

OK, I have now read your great source for your quote. The last line is in there and it did not come from you. (it just sounded like one of yours )

Was that what Americans call an apology? :rolleyes:

Why are you, of all people, using him for a quote source?

Because he's educated and doesn't fall for the hype of your establishment that America is the greatest and everybody else is beneath you

Rich

07-02-2006, 11:39 PM

He wouldn't tell Heckle and Jeckle to give it a rest because they live in a free country?

Why not tell your country to stop lecturing the World on how they should all be Americans and how great you all are, especially Bush and his cronies? :rolleyes:

dan-cat

07-03-2006, 04:28 AM

Because he, like Colin and me, lives in a free country

Oh yeah right .. like your country makes it's own decisions on diplomatic issues. Sheesh :rolleyes: We all remember the UK acknowledging the illegality of the Iraq war at the UN don't we? :rolleyes:

ShaneMan

07-03-2006, 05:10 AM

Well let's take a look at it, the top four, two are American, two are British, you're 5 times the size of us, doesn't look quite so good now, does it

That wasn't my point I was trying to make. The point is, we do provide education that does rank with the rest of the world. Better than most of the world.

Rich

07-03-2006, 05:12 AM

That wasn't my point I was trying to make. The point is, we do provide education that does rank with the rest of the world. Better than most of the world.

The statistics don't support this

Rich

07-03-2006, 05:14 AM

We all remember the UK acknowledging the illegality of the Iraq war at the UN don't we? :rolleyes:

That's 'cause Bliar was in charge, not for much longer though, he will be thrown out by his own party, unlike Bush

dan-cat

07-03-2006, 05:52 AM

That's 'cause Bliar was in charge

Yep like I said , a 'free' country having it's own foreign policies made for it.

, not for much longer though, he will be thrown out by his own party, unlike Bush

Humph... after how many years?!? I seem to remember Georgey-boy being restricted to eight years, whilst Bliar gets re-elected for a third term. The majority of the UK voting public obviously didn't mind having their diplomatic relations dictated by a super-power did they?

Anyway Bliar has already said he's going to step down on his own accord so it looks like the UK voting public or his own party have left it too late doesn't it?

Rich

07-03-2006, 06:09 AM

Yep like I said , a 'free' country having it's own foreign policies made for it.

Only under the current gutless wimp! You tried it before during the sixties but then a socialist Prime Minister told you where to go :p

I seem to remember Georgey-boy being restricted to eight years, whilst Bliar gets re-elected for a third term.

Yet again, Bliar was re-elected by the minority, however that's about to change because English MPs want to stop Scottish MPs etc. voting on English law.
Since the next leader of the Labour party is rumoured to be Scot, that's likely to throw the whole stupid idea of devolution into the melting pot.
It was the Scottish and Welsh minorities who voted Bliar back in, not the English! :mad:
It was Bliar who bribed the Scots, Welsh etc.
We the English demand Home Rule and we'll get it, of course we won't have to blow each others brains out to do so either :cool:

dan-cat

07-03-2006, 06:18 AM

Only under the current gutless wimp! You tried it before during the sixties but then a socialist Prime Minister told you where to go :p

Perhaps this dude should have been in charge at the time :confused: :D

Two Jags goes mental (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1330000/video/_1334844_elec06_thomas_vi.ram)

It takes a while to load but worth it to see a true man of the people. :D

Yet again, Bliar was re-elected by the minority

The UK is sounding less and less 'free' by the minute :p

ShaneMan

07-03-2006, 06:19 AM

The statistics don't support this

so the statistics, showing the top universities in the world, doesn't show that we are providing top ranked education?

ShaneMan

07-03-2006, 06:24 AM

Was that what Americans call an apology? :rolleyes:

Because he's educated and doesn't fall for the hype of your establishment that America is the greatest and everybody else is beneath you

No, probably not. Just one American going to the school of Rich on how to not back down no matter how bad you've offended or been proven wrong. Just stay the course and act like nothing happened.

"because he's educated" and blah, blah but he's an American and a Christian. I thought that was two things, at the top of your list, to prove he's taken his brain out (if he ever had one) and make sure we listen to nothing from that point on, cause everyone knows not to listen to someone who doesn't have a brain.