or what about Arnie? he's foreign (not American) and did porno films and they make him a governor of California:confused:

Col
Austrio/Germanic isn't he? that makes him an ideal candidate for the US:rolleyes:

or what about Arnie? he's foreign (not American) and did porno films and they make him a governor of California:confused:

Col

Which porno films did he do? :confused:

I was a big fan of his back in his action years (hey, I was an impressionable teen, what can I say :D ) and while I wouldn't want to see him in porn, I thought I knew all the things he'd been in.

and yet he was still welcomed in the US despite his adultery, long-term seperation from his wife, substance abuse, anti-establishment views etc etc...

Yep, it sounds like he really hated the place and we hated him doesn't it :rolleyes:
its really strange. Nobody at the time could understand his motives for wanting to live in the US (and we never will) As Rich says it was that "bitch" that really had a hold over him.

Question - is a "bitch" (an American term for wife I understand) worse or better than a "son of a bitch"? which presumably is the male offspring of any American wife

Col

What are the "so many issues" then Ken?

Col

Drug addictions (heroin, cocaine), adultery, abusive relationships with his wives, eating disorders...

its really strange. Nobody at the time could understand his motives for wanting to live in the US (and we never will) As Rich says it was that "bitch" that really had a hold over him.


Perhaps you could ask 'Keef', after all he lives in Connecticut. He is still alive isn't he?

Perhaps you could 'Keef', after all he lives in Connecticut. He is still alive isn't he?

Ringo has homes in LA and Colorado - perhaps he could elucidate?

Drug addictions (heroin, cocaine), adultery, abusive relationships with his wives, eating disorders...
but obviously John thought that was the norm in the USA - it certainly is now:confused:

Matt - Here's a still featuring Arnie:rolleyes:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/dowbrigade/arnie.jpg

Col

Matt - Here's a still featuring Arnie:rolleyes:
Col

I'm shocked and appalled. :(

Never again will I be able to watch one of his characters doing something wholesome, like slaughtering people or setting off explosions.

but obviously John thought that was the norm in the USA - it certainly is now:confused:
Col

Ah I see. So the things he did weren't bad at the time, because it was perfectly normal. Let's just nullify my list then. :rolleyes:

but obviously John thought that was the norm in the USA

Is that what Bill Wyman, Gary Glitter, Pete Townshend thought of paedophilia in the UK? That it was the norm?

Question - is a "bitch" (an American term for wife I understand) worse or better than a "son of a bitch"? which presumably is the male offspring of any American wife
Col

Black Americans are about the only Americans that use that term for their wives and girlfriends. There are some very young Americans, of all races, that have kind of jumped on board with the black lifestyle being chic, so they've picked up on it and started using the term also, but America as a whole does not call their wives by that name.

SOB you know the answer to. They are all over the whole and not just in the USA, so they wouldn't be the offspring of just an American wife.

Ah I see. So the things he did weren't bad at the time, because it was perfectly normal.
I have no idea, but if you say so - you are after all from Canada :D


Is that what Bill Wyman, Gary Glitter, Pete Townshend thought of paedophilia in the UK? That it was the norm?

I am not aware of their thoughts on that subject?

Col

I am not aware of their thoughts on that subject?


So your telepathic ability is only limited to John Lennon then? :rolleyes:

I am not aware of their thoughts on that subject?

Col
"At age 47, Bill Wyman began a relationship with 13-year old Mandy Smith, with her mother's blessing."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wyman


"In late 2005, Gary Glitter was arrested and charged with rape of under-aged girls. Early in 2006, he was convicted of committing obscene acts with minors and sentenced to imprisonment; he filed an appeal, but this was dismissed on 15 June 2006."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Glitter


"In 2003 Townshend received a police caution after acknowledging a solitary paid access of a child pornography website in 1999."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Townshend

SOB you know the answer to.
Had I known the answer, I wouldn't have asked. I wanted to know if saying one was "more offensive" than saying the other. "son of a bitch" is not in use in the UK, primarily because its an American phrase ( not popular in the UK);) :rolleyes: and "bitch" is very rarely used.

I remember "gee whiz" was used when I was a kid, but that was because it was in the title of a top 10 UK hit at the time. Nobody had any idea what it meant, we just said it alot

Col

and "bitch" is very rarely used.


Oh please... I know UKers who use that term all the time :rolleyes:

"At age 47, Bill Wyman began a relationship with 13-year old Mandy Smith, with her mother's blessing."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wyman


"In late 2005, Gary Glitter was arrested and charged with rape of under-aged girls. Early in 2006, he was convicted of committing obscene acts with minors and sentenced to imprisonment; he filed an appeal, but this was dismissed on 15 June 2006."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Glitter


"In 2003 Townshend received a police caution after acknowledging a solitary paid access of a child pornography website in 1999."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Townshend

as I said I am not aware of their thoughts on that subject. Your guess is as good as mine.

Col

but obviously John thought that was the norm in the USA - it certainly is now:confused:

Matt - Here's a still featuring Arnie:rolleyes:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/dowbrigade/arnie.jpg

Col

Was this taken before or after he'd had acting lessons?;)

Oh please... I know UKers who use that term all the time :rolleyes:
How nice for you

Col

Had I known the answer, I wouldn't have asked. I wanted to know if saying one was "more offensive" than saying the other. "son of a bitch" is not in use in the UK, primarily because its an American phrase ( not popular in the UK);) :rolleyes: and "bitch" is very rarely used.

I remember "gee whiz" was used when I was a kid, but that was because it was in the title of a top 10 UK hit at the time. Nobody had any idea what it meant, we just said it alot
Col

Sorry for jumping to conclusions, Col, cause calling someone that is very offensive and I thought you "knew" what you were referring to. I guess I can't speak for the whole county but where I was raised, if you were looking for a fight, then calling someone that was a good way to accomplish your goal.:)

How nice for you


How un-nice for you to be caught with an untruth...

as I said I am not aware of their thoughts on that subject. Your guess is as good as mine.

Col

As Dan had mentioned, it's amazing that you can know the thoughts of John Lennon, but not the above three. :rolleyes:

As Dan had mentioned, it's amazing that you can know the thoughts of John Lennon, but not the above three. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you have to be dead for the Ouija board to work :p

Colin, thanks for your interest:

Doc_Man, would you say if the Katrina thing happened in New York or Washington or California the clear-up would be much speedier? I always get the impression that the Southern states are the poor relations in the US - stemming back to the populace being significantly non-white

I doubt it is black/white. It might be "continued punishment for being a former part of the Confederacy" - the voting rights act was renewed recently with CONTINUED supervision of redistricting in southern states. What a joke!

It might also be that the SCOPE of the devastation is so huge that folks don't even know where to start. It might truly just be too big a problem for anyone to seriously grasp. Katrina whacked some areas so badly that the houses in some localized communities are 100% gone. Waveland, MS for example has no houses left standing. We had friends there who sent us photos showing mud and a bare concrete foundation where a three-story near-mansion had stood. In St. Bernard Parish (E & SE of N'Awlins), I think there were less than 200 houses NOT damaged or destroyed by the storm. Out of tens of thousands of houses. Plaquemines parish lost so much land to tidal erosion that we may have to redesignate our parish boundaries. There might not be enough of the parish left to qualify for representation.

I'll ask you to reconsider the closest evidence we have to the answer to your question. How long after 9/11 did it take for New York City to start a serious rebuilding program of the affected area? First, it was northern. Second, devastating though it was, the affected area was geographically small.

If you were to visit a site called NOLA.COM, you would perhaps be able to browse through some photo galleries, directly or by following references. It is impossible to believe unless you see the pictures. The recent flooding in northern states was tragic, don't get me wrong, but most of them suffered a couple of feet of water. We have places where the peak of a one-story house's roof was under water. Fifteen to twenty feet of water. Boats were able to pull up even to the roof to rescue people.

Every day I drive through an area near Fleur de Lis Blvd where water was even with or above the eaves of houses. Some of the pictures on NOLA.COM would show this area. Some streets are totally lost with no sign of life. Others have a few returnees. But the big problem is that one insurer, who happens to cover about 20% of the state's homeowner's policies, wants to either pull out or drop certain types of coverage. We have a state law that says if they want to stay in business in this state, they can't do that. So it will probably come down to a lawsuit very soon.

What? Why won't we let them limit their liability? Well, in a year where Katrina caused the biggest single USA natural disaster in terms of area and number of people affected, this insurer made a mere $1.21 BILLION dollars in AFTER-TAX PROFIT. They THINK they are entitled to be guaranteed a profit, forgetting that ALL businesses are about risk, not just insurance companies. EVERY BUSINESS YOU START has the right to TRY to make a profit - but no business is guaranteed one.

But I digress.

Colin, part of our problem is also logistical. For a long time we had no working roads from the East. I-10 across Lake Ponchartrain was so badly damaged as to be impassible. US 11 has a narrow, one-lane-each-way bridge that was weakened by the storm. The Lake Ponchartrain Causeway was at least temporarily damaged. The only roads were from the west, where there is more land and less water to cross.

Another factor is that there was no place for the workers to stay even if they wanted to come in and repair things. Contractors were literally living in tent cities for a long time. We are STILL in the demolition phase on major apartment complexes and whole neighborhoods because of the dearth of available workers.

My cousin's boyfriend talked to me about the aftermath of Andrew. He's a plumber. He said that if he could have managed it, he could have worked 7 days a week, sunrise to sunset, with guaranteed work lasting for not less than 6 months before it started to die down. He got to the point that he had to start taking 1 week off at a time because it was so depressing.

OK, now multiply that concept by carpenters, electricians, plumbers, house demolition teams, and general laborers. Multiply that by literally a few thousand square MILES of devastation. (Remember, a thousand square miles is a square only about 31 2/3 miles on a side...) How many houses are in a square mile in a relatively densely populated area? It is staggering.

Part of the problem is getting supplies. At least initially, according to a guy my wife talked to, a well-known building supply chain was getting 20 big truck loads (18-wheeler, full-sized trailers) a night and was sold out by the close of business in a limited work day. I.e. instead of being open 8 AM to 10 PM, they were doing 10 AM to 6 PM - and they STILL sold out of every basic construction supply you could imagine. My wife also talked to an insurance adjuster who had somehow learned that the entire year's output of a major maker of sheet rock was already committed to the New Orleans area. Think about that for a little while.

As Dan had mentioned, it's amazing that you can know the thoughts of John Lennon, but not the above three. :rolleyes:

There is a limit to the number of people I know thoughts of :rolleyes:

and I'm afraid the 3 others mentioned are of no interest to me.

Col

and I'm afraid the 3 others mentioned are of no interest to me.


What about Keith Richards then - any interest there?

What about Keith Richards then - any interest there?
Keefy is a brilliant artist. His paintings are superb, there was a programme on about it. He's off the drugs now (apart from the fags) He owns homes in many countries.

Col

He's off the drugs now (apart from the fags) He owns homes in many countries.


His US neighbors will be delighted with the news (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/05/23/121559.php) :rolleyes:

For those who are curious, try this link to see what the city looked like from above after Katrina:

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/katrina/KATRINA0000.HTM

To see the area near where I live:

On the map that has large boxes and shows the path of Katrina, find the box that is centered over the southern shore of the big lake (Ponchartrain). It is 2nd from the top in the column that has five boxes. Click that.

You'll see the south shore in greater detail. On the top row of boxes, count 11 boxes starting from the left. It is

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24425627.jpg

I'm in that area.

His US neighbors will be delighted with the news (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/05/23/121559.php) :rolleyes:
Stuffy neighbours:rolleyes: we all get them:D

Col

For those who are curious, try this link to see what the city looked like from above after Katrina

I doubt the photos go anywhere near doing justice to the level of damage, as - for the most part - they don't make things look too bad.

Can see what you mean about how densely-packed the buildings area, though. Must have been horrific.

Stuffy neighbours:rolleyes: we all get them:D

Col

another high profile UK law-breaker who is tolerated by the all so nasty American people :rolleyes:

For those who are curious, try this link to see what the city looked like from above after Katrina:

Doc Man,

I agree with Matt that it's a little hard to tell how much devastation there is from those pictures since it's from such a high viewpoint, unless you know what you're looking at. Since I didn't know what the city looked like from above before Katrina, I don't have that reference point.

Someone did send me a bunch of pictures shortly after Katrina that really showed some of the devastation and how widespread it really was. Here are a few of them...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/66081161@N00/sets/72157594213954395/

It's difficult to imagine what it must still be like there.

I was wondering also if you had a take on what they are doing to those doctors out there, accusing them of euthanizing patients. It seems kind of like a witch hunt to me, but I wasn't sure I had the whole story.

For those who are curious, try this link to see what the city looked like from above after Katrina:

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/katrina/KATRINA0000.HTM

To see the area near where I live:

On the map that has large boxes and shows the path of Katrina, find the box that is centered over the southern shore of the big lake (Ponchartrain). It is 2nd from the top in the column that has five boxes. Click that.

You'll see the south shore in greater detail. On the top row of boxes, count 11 boxes starting from the left. It is

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24425627.jpg

I'm in that area.

Doc, In this picture:

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24729701.jpg

Whats the white looking stuff in the water? Debris?

Perhaps you could ask 'Keef', after all he lives in Connecticut.

No he doesn't, he lives in Jamaica :rolleyes:
as my learned colleague pointed out to you, he owns homes all over the world

Is that what Bill Wyman, Gary Glitter, Pete Townshend thought of paedophilia in the UK? That it was the norm?
If you can prove that Wyman and Townshend were paedos report it to the police, then ask them how they feel about the American Roman Catholic bishop who let a paedo escape to Mexico just a few weeks ago.
You still wanna take the moral high ground:rolleyes:

another high profile UK law-breaker who is tolerated by the all so nasty American people :rolleyes:

only 'cause you want his money

Ah I see. So the things he did weren't bad at the time, because it was perfectly normal. Let's just nullify my list then. :rolleyes:
Nah don't nullify your list, let's make a list of all the things Bush did when he was young, don't forget to add how his daddy got him out of the sh*t:rolleyes:
Then explain how he managed to become the president:rolleyes:

I wasn't really planning on doing anything to my list. Colin asked for it, so I provided. :)

No he doesn't, he lives in Jamaica :rolleyes:
as my learned colleague pointed out to you, he owns homes all over the world

One of your newspapers (http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article306495.ece) disagrees with you

"Richards' main home is still in Weston, Connecticut, and he continues to share it with Patti Hansen, the Staten Island-born model whom he married in 1983."

The marriage to an American and settlement in America, a well trodden path by the UK's successful :rolleyes:

then ask them how they feel about the American Roman Catholic bishop who let a paedo escape to Mexico just a few weeks ago.

Nah I'd rather ask them how Ian Huntley got given a job as a school caretaker when he had already been labelled by themselves as a "serial sex attacker". (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3826355.stm)

You still wanna take the moral high ground:rolleyes:

I wouldn't dream of usurping you.

only 'cause you want his money

Which the American economy provides him with the countless laborious comeback tours :rolleyes:

Which the American economy provides him with the countless laborious comeback tours :rolleyes:
They're not comeback tours, just part of their itinerary that makes them the greatest Rock'N'Roll band ever

One of your newspapers (http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article306495.ece) disagrees with you

"Richards' main home is still in Weston, Connecticut, and he continues to share it with Patti Hansen, the Staten Island-born model whom he married in 1983."

Which is why we don't swallow every thing we read in the press, this site says
"Although details of the accident are sketchy, in May he underwent brain surgery in Aukland, New Zealand. By the end of May he was back home in England; "

Another site says he returned home to the US :rolleyes:

Nah I'd rather ask them how Ian Huntley got given a job as a school caretaker when he had already been labelled by themselves as a "serial sex attacker". (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3826355.stm)



I wouldn't dream of usurping you.
Really! trying to score cheap points at the expense of the tragic circumstances surrounding the loss of two young girls at Huntley's hands is pretty low:(

..... that makes them the greatest Rock'N'Roll band ever

Nah, see what Bill is doing, that's what I call Rock&Roll :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADdq2NO9bDA&search=bill%20wyman

Nah, see what Bill is doing, that's what I call Rock&Roll :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADdq2NO9bDA&search=bill%20wyman
The site's not working

With me it is Rich.
You may go to http://www.youtube.com/index, type in Bill Wyman (video's) , click search and select Bill Wyman playing melody.

Imust say that what Bill produced with the Rhythm Kings is much more R&R than the Stones ever made. :cool:

Really! trying to score cheap points at the expense of the tragic circumstances surrounding the loss of two young girls at Huntley's hands is pretty low:(
Thats normal when the Americans are on the back foot;) :rolleyes: :D

Its like the US are shipping 5,000 bombs through Prestwick airport destined for Israel. The British have lodged a formal protest to the USA for their underhand methods using Prestwick as a staging post, yet the US has rejected it - presumably because the USA thinks it can walk over anybody, as usual link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5221782.stm)

Col

Its like the US are shipping 5,000 bombs through Prestwick airport destined for Israel. The British have lodged a formal protest to the USA for their underhand methods using Prestwick as a staging post, yet the US has rejected it - presumably because the USA thinks it can walk over anybody, as usual link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5221782.stm)

Col
No wonder they continue to support the murder of innocent women and children, still it's nothing new for them is it:rolleyes:

No wonder they continue to support the murder of innocent women and children, still it's nothing new for them is it:rolleyes:
It said on the (ITV) news last night that the USA has given Israel quite a few F16 jets and are supplying the "smart" weapons for them. These are the "smart" weapons that hit buildings with a big red cross on the roof so that the innocent get killed too.

It also said (about the bombs going through Prestwick) that the planes used to transport them in are civilian cargo planes so that the British won't suspect any weaponry on board. They showed film of these planes arriving.

Isn't it a bit cowardly to fight a war through other countries? like arming the Taliban up so they could fight the Ruskies, now they are arming Israel up to fight Lebanon.

Did you see people in Lebanon burning the USA flag and efegies of Bush yesterday? It seems that this action is really doing wonders (again) for the popularity of the USA:rolleyes:
Then I suppose the USA will moan on and on again when another jet crashes into skyscraper - how tragic, the fact that the USA destroy whole cities seems to be forgotten then.:rolleyes:

Col

And that sock puppet Bliar won't condemn either Israel or the US for their actions here. Bliar's party will throw him out sooner, rather than later:mad:

Then I suppose the USA will moan on and on again when another jet crashes into skyscraper - how tragic, the fact that the USA destroy whole cities seems to be forgotten then.:rolleyes:careful...you're starting to remind me of someone else:eek: . It's Friday...smile, have a cup o' tea, address all complaints to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue... and step down off the soapbox before you have a stroke:D

and step down off the soapbox before you have a stroke:D

If we don't step up there in the first place who's going to end the madness?

careful...you're starting to remind me of someone else:eek: .
Someone who tells it how it is no doubt:D I'm only filling you in on things you don't see on your censored telly.

Col

address all complaints to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue...
I would hope that you've already done that

Col

address all complaints to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue...
Is there anybody inside it that can read? :rolleyes:

They're not comeback tours, just part of their itinerary that makes them the greatest Rock'N'Roll band ever

Ok I'll rephrase:

"Which the American economy provides him with the countless laborious dollar-driven tours"

Which is why we don't swallow every thing we read in the press

The UK media is fallible whilst your word is not. Is that your argument? :rolleyes:

Ok I'll rephrase:

"Which the American economy provides him with the countless laborious dollar-driven tours"
Along with Europe, South America, Australasia, China, Eastern Europe, Japan, what was your point again? :rolleyes:

Really! trying to score cheap points at the expense of the tragic circumstances surrounding the loss of two young girls at Huntley's hands is pretty low:(

If scoring cheap points was an infallible argument you would never have a case :rolleyes: Like I said, the moral high ground is, as ever, yours :rolleyes:

The UK media is fallible whilst your word is not. Is that your argument? :rolleyes:
No, I watch and learn from the BBC, that's where the facts are reported, unlike you media of course:rolleyes:

If scoring cheap points was an infallible argument you would never have a case :rolleyes: Like I said, the moral high ground is, as ever, yours :rolleyes:
I've never used the tragic loss of children to try and gain points, which is what you were trying to do:rolleyes:

Along with Europe, South America, Australasia, China, Eastern Europe, Japan, what was your point again? :rolleyes:

You said Europe twice :rolleyes:

Here is my point (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9447993/the_richest_rock_stars_of_2006)

"The Rolling Stones, whose touring in 2005 was limited to forty or so U.S. dates, came in at Number Two, earning $92.5 million"

If you can prove that Wyman and Townshend were paedos report it to the police, then ask them how they feel about the American Roman Catholic bishop who let a paedo escape to Mexico just a few weeks ago.

Was this not an attempt to gain points?

Was this not an attempt to gain points?
Nope, I didn't bring one of the worst crimes known to man into the conversation in the first place and in any case it was simply to point out that an American had no right to take the moral high ground on that issue

I've never used the tragic loss of children to try and gain points, which is what you were trying to do:rolleyes:

I've about finished imitating you - all that's happening here is you being made to look into the mirror. Stinks doesn't it, having a conversation where you're barracked into defending your own country without reprieve

You said Europe twice :rolleyes:


I also mentioned America a second time since it was already mentioned in your reply, what are you confused about now?:rolleyes:

I've about finished imitating you - all that's happening here is you being made to look into the mirror. Stinks doesn't it, having a conversation where you're barracked into defending your own country without reprieve
I haven't defended anyone EVER in my country who is, or is suspected of being a paedo, period!
You brought the subject into the coversation to try and score cheap points and for no other reason!

You said Europe twice :rolleyes:




The former iron curtain countries are now part of Europe. However, to avoid confusion, because of there being so many members - it is common to refer to them as Eastern Europe, which differentiates them from the "Europe" which refers to the traditional countries like France, Italy, Spain etc.

If you lived in Europe you would of course know that.:rolleyes:

Col

You brought the subject into the coversation to try and score cheap points and for no other reason!

Bringing an un-related subject into a discussion to score cheap points.
Yep, that's what I did. Like I said I was irrita..., I mean imitating you.

Then I suppose the USA will moan on and on again when another jet crashes into skyscraper - how tragic, the fact that the USA destroy whole cities seems to be forgotten then.:rolleyes:


You wouldn't be using a tragic loss of life to score cheap points would you? :rolleyes:

I've never used the tragic loss of children to try and gain points, which is what you were trying to do:rolleyes:

...

No wonder they continue to support the murder of innocent women and children, still it's nothing new for them is it

:rolleyes:

You wouldn't be using a tragic loss of life to score cheap points would you? :rolleyes:
Just stating facts. I don't score points:rolleyes: - no need to

The US is using the UK as a sneaky way of getting 5,000lb bombs to Israel without the UK government knowing.
Its common knowlege that the USA is bombing Lebanon via Israel to kill innocent people as they do in Iraq - so don't go moaning on and act all shocked about how bad things are when you get a plane in another skyscraper.

Col

The US is using the UK as a sneaky way of getting 5,000lb bombs to Israel without the UK government knowing.

The UK media knowing more than it's government. Why doesn't that surprise me? :rolleyes:

Which is why we don't swallow every thing we read in the press

No not everything, just what suits to score cheap points :rolleyes:

The UK media knowing more than it's government. Why doesn't that surprise me? :rolleyes:
It doesn't matter who knows first as long as we know what sneaky tricks the USA is up to. In fact it was No 10 that released the press bulletin.

Col

No not everything, just what suits to score cheap points :rolleyes:
wrong Danny Boy - just what is true, and is confirmed by the BBC

as I said, we don't need to score cheap points when there's a warmongering dictator in the Casa Blanca

Col

so don't go moaning on and act all shocked about how bad things are when you get a plane in another skyscraper.

Col

This is probably the most obtuse thing I've read from you for ages.

Let's apply that to a UK setting shall we?

"Don't go moaning if you get anymore double decker bus explosions as you full well know how your leader is supporting anything that Bush puts on the table"

What right do you have to dictate whether I regret the death of my own countrymen, women and children. No right, that's what. I think you need to pick yourself up out of the gutter.

wrong Danny Boy - just what is true, and is confirmed by the BBC


Your original source was from ITV remember?

It said on the (ITV) news last night that the USA has given Israel quite a few F16 jets and are supplying the "smart" weapons for them. These are the "smart" weapons that hit buildings with a big red cross on the roof so that the innocent get killed too.

It also said (about the bombs going through Prestwick) that the planes used to transport them in are civilian cargo planes so that the British won't suspect any weaponry on board. They showed film of these planes arriving.

Anyway do you honestly believe that the UK government was unaware of this. Yeah right :rolleyes:

This is probably the most obtuse thing I've read from you for ages. I do try:D

"Don't go moaning if you get anymore double decker bus explosions as you full well know how your leader is supporting anything that Bush puts on the table" We are half expecting some retaliation for our leaders bum licking stance, so will not be surprised when it happens. Its just one of a long long line of terrorist attacks in the UK we've had for decades.

I think you need to pick yourself up out of the gutter.
Think I touched a nerve:rolleyes: ;)

Your original source was from ITV remember? of course I remember - I confirmed it by linking to the BBC news website . . . if you remember:rolleyes:

Anyway do you honestly believe that the UK government was unaware of this of course the UK government was aware the USA wanted to do this - but as usual the USA accepted that permission would be granted, in fact permission was not granted. Now the UK government is upset because the USA is using the UK as a staging post for its death machines.

Tell me Danny, did you know of this story from your media? or did you learn it from this forum?

Col

I do try:D

Light-hearted comment accepted. Seriously though I wish you wouldn't quite so hard. It gets wearing after a while.

We are half expecting some retaliation for our leaders bum licking stance, so will not be surprised when it happens. Its just one of a long long line of terrorist attacks in the UK we've had for decades.

And if/when it happens it will be deeply regrettable and I wouldn't blame you in the slightest for having a "moan" about it.

Think I touched a nerve:rolleyes: ;)

Yes, implying that such an act would be 'deserved' was fairly sickening. Such violence is never 'deserved' regardless of what has gone before.

Now the UK government is upset because the USA is using the UK as a staging post for its death machines.

Look Col I'm not being funny but the UK has been used as a military base by the US for decades. The probability was that Bliar approved it but didn't want to go public with it. The irritation only occured when your foreign office got caught out. I mean come on, that airbase has been used since the 2nd World War, what did the airport officials think was in those transporters, cotton candy?

Tell me Danny, did you know of this story from your media? or did you learn it from this forum?


I confess I watch the BBC World News on a regular basis and it is very good.

I confess I watch the BBC World News on a regular basis and it is very good.
That doesn't answer my question. But never mind. I'm off home now as its 4:30PM:D

Have a good weekend.

Col

Have a good weekend.


Same to you ;)

I know it was a few days ago but I just want to thank The_Doc_Man for his reply to my request for info regarding New Orleans.

Brian

Which is why we don't swallow every thing we read in the press,

Unless it pertains to America? :eek:

KenHigg:

Whats the white looking stuff in the water? Debris?

Yes. But since I don't recognize the area, I don't know specifically what kind of debris.

Mrs. Gorilla,

I was wondering also if you had a take on what they are doing to those doctors out there, accusing them of euthanizing patients.

It is hard for us to know for sure exactly who did what to whom. It is quite possible that the doctor in question is blameless but was the highest-profile person on the scene at the time. One of the nurses or orderlies might well have been the culprit who did the dastardly deed. Most of the inventory control processes had gone down the tubes by then. So someone with a little bit of knowledge and no Hippocratic oath for ethical guidelines might have been the real perpetrator.

Since I didn't know what the city looked like from above before Katrina, I don't have that reference point.

You really DO need to see the ground-level pix. Aerial shots don't do justice to the situation.

Remember my comments about a thousand square miles being a square only about 31 2/3 miles on a side? The storm surge on the Gulf coast went 40 miles inland. So every 25 miles of coast is another 1000 square miles of devastation. And property only a short drive from a beach is consider PRIME real estate. The overhead shots show you population density. Do the math.

Yesterday someone from the City of New Orleans permits department put up a map showing the geographic location of every reconstruction permit. Based on the distribution, almost all of the city will experience some return of population. Current estimates suggest about 3/4 of the original population will make it.

Something else came out. The water-carrying infrastructure was so badly damaged that in the now infamous "lower 9th ward", people cannot move back because there is no potable water yet. They have to completely redo the under-street water mains. So many other areas are less damaged that spot repairs are being done first before they tackle the big project. If they ever do.

BrianWarnock:

I know it was a few days ago but I just want to thank The_Doc_Man for his reply to my request for info regarding New Orleans.

You are quite welcome.

For some ground-level pix, visit NOLA.COM and find (lower left side of page) a section that says PHOTOS. Links inside that box lead to different picture galleries. The AP, user-submitted galleries, and the "MORE" link are all good. Some of the pix are aftermath, some (in eary Sep/2005) show flooding. The galleries are dated. Remember, the storm was Aug 29, 2005.

When you look at the aftermath pix, get ready to cry.

I confess I watch the BBC World News on a regular basis and it is very good.
Then you don't watch it often enough

Unless it pertains to America? :eek:
No, we research that subject extensively:eek: ;) :D

Then you don't watch it often enough

I agree that it is an excellent resource for discovering the UK's supporting role in America's military campaigns. You know the ones I mean don't you, the ones that kill innocent women and children. :rolleyes:

RAF Lakenheath (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2252018.stm)

RAF Mildenhall (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/3759864.stm)

David Johnson, US Charge D'Affaires, said the base is "an extremely important installation."

He said it remains significant to defence planners because it is "sufficiently far from the United States but also gives us reach into areas where the US needs to operate right now."

I agree that it is an excellent resource for discovering the UK's supporting role in America's military campaigns. You know the ones I mean don't you, the ones that kill innocent women and children. :rolleyes:

RAF Lakenheath (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2252018.stm)

RAF Mildenhall (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/3759864.stm)
Old news old chum, now go and find something up todate:rolleyes:

Old news old chum, now go and find something up todate:rolleyes:

Will this do (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4623210.stm)? - yes a fine resource indeed.

Will this do (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4623210.stm)? - yes a fine resource indeed.

Hold on this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5054680.stm) is far more up-to-date. Just last month.

Will this do (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4623210.stm)? - yes a fine resource indeed.
Yes did you read it ?:rolleyes:

Hold on this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5054680.stm) is far more up-to-date. Just last month.
All that does is confirm our own posts that Bliar is as big a twat and liar as Bush, try again

try again

Nah, I really am quite done with focusing on the negative aspects of a single country. I don't really see what you get out of it, it's so simple to do and yet completely unrewarding. Ta ta for now ;)

Nah, I really am quite done with focusing on the negative aspects of a single country
Maybe if America did just that it would reform itself:eek:

Your original source was from ITV remember?



Anyway do you honestly believe that the UK government was unaware of this. Yeah right :rolleyes:
You posted the wrong name on the quote, looks like eyesight as well as foresight is a problem over there:rolleyes:

You posted the wrong name on the quote, looks like eyesight as well as foresight is a problem over there:rolleyes:

My apologies - sometimes it's difficult to tell you two apart.

My apologies - sometimes it's difficult to tell you two apart.
Because we're both so erudite? :cool:

Because we're both so erudite? :cool:

and modest too!:D

Because we're both so erudite? :cool:

close, try errable :p

close, try errable :p
Which language is that word in? :confused:

and modest too!:D
thank you :cool:

Which language is that word in? :confused:

Come on Rich, don't let the side down. :D

http://www.bartleby.com/62/28/E0542800.html

Come on Rich, don't let the side down. :D

http://www.bartleby.com/62/28/E0542800.html

Having read that link I wish I'd said "errant" :p

Having read that link I wish I'd said "errant" :p
Well that couldn't possibly apply to our opinions on the US and its current gun ho so called leader:rolleyes: :cool: :p

As a person who voted for GWB twice, I feel it is important for everyone to realize that the USA was faced with a couple of really bad choices. I hate to say this and I'll probably never see my country recover from the aftermath of his term in office, but GWB at the time of the elections seemed to be the lesser of the two evils. Both times, the democrats offered someone whose credibility was sorely lacking, at least to our ability to determine such.

Which doesn't mean I particularly like the way GWB is playing hard, fast, and loose with security rules. I doubt it will happen, but I sincerely hope that the Democrats come up with a truly viable candidate next time around. That would be the only way we can eradicate some of the schmutz hanging around the White House right now.

The American system is still one of the better ones in terms of the freedom it gives its people, but when the minority party/parties cannot offer a reasonable candidate, the freedom becomes more problematic. I for one would be overjoyed to see a real third party take shape. It would so deeply change the balance of power in the USA that the current scoundrels on BOTH sides of the aisle would have to slink away in the darkness.

Is that not a case then for allowing political parties to be publicly funded?

Rich, they CAN be publicly funded - but only when they reach a certain minimum size. I forget the exact number, something greater than 1% surely, and might be more like 5% of the registered electorate. But with the two major parties already where they are, you can bet that they won't be giving away money to their competitors.

It is a sad case where de facto rather than de jure, the fox is running the hen house.

Both times, the democrats offered someone whose credibility was sorely lacking, at least to our ability to determine such.
[snip]
I doubt it will happen, but I sincerely hope that the Democrats come up with a truly viable candidate next time around.
Similar situation in Australia... the Liberals are in their 3rd term, because Labor (the other "major" party) can't find a popular leader, and can't decide what their policies are...

The American system is still one of the better ones in terms of the freedom it gives its people,
Such as the freedom to not vote? :D
There's been a debate on compulsory voting in one of the other forums I'm on... most Americans don't like the idea, most people from countries where it is compulsory do. (if you really don't want to vote, you can just leave your ballot blank, or write "you're ALL bastards" on it or something...)

Personally, I like the idea once proposed by National Lampoon magazine.

All ballots should have a candidate box that represents "none of the above" - meaning I don't want to vote for ANY of the slime-sucking scum buckets on the roster. Then, if "none of the above" gets a plurality, the department that person runs must coast on momentum AND all of the candidates who were on that ballot would be barred from running in the next election for same.

Let's face it, many departments have an assistant to the elected officials. In a bureaucracy, the staff can go ahead with whatever they are doing. All it means in practise is "no new policies, no revocation of old policies."

But then again, nobody currently in power would vote for such a thing. On the other hand, if you want to see a really high voter turnout, add "None of the above" to the ballot and see what happens.

;)

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Anyway i am still hungry? Who wanna join me?

I love the "none of the above" bit Doc Man. We still have that on our ballots here, and in the recent primary there were several races where it polled above the second or third place candidate. I think I saw it as high as 25% of the vote in some races. I don't know what would happen if it "won", but I think the idea you posted would be perfect.

Ahilbg,

Don't make go to Bulgaria and kick that chicken out of your mouth.

Go sell Crazy somewhere else... We are all stocked up here! (Jack Nicholson)