Just like the English conviction over a monarch.
The monarch no longer kills people, we the people took that power away centuries ago.
It's just who you are.

In America's case then, trigger happy

Unfortunately pepper spray is illegal in this country, as is anything that might harm or cause distress to a mugger or burgler:confused: :mad:

Brian
" Yes but look, what we need is a public debate on whether criminals now have more civil rights than victims".
Yeah sure Bliar, what's your wife gonna do when we strip her of her lucrative income?:rolleyes:

The problem with pepper spray is that it isn't reliable either. We always have had this problem and always will. The problem is TIME. You don't want to give your attacker TIME to do you more harm.

The reason that the .45 caliber automatic weapon was invented was because smaller weapons didn't have adequate stopping power for a drugged / berserk combatant. So the bigger slug was required to do a knockdown on the rampaging attacker. Shotguns worked but didnt' have the effective range. Rifles were causing through-and-through wounds that were EVENTUALLY debilitating - but not immediately effected. Hence weapons with higher caliber and larger powder charges.

With some of the drugs that people get on, pepper spray is just like an apertif, adds a little spice to the conversation but has no lasting effect. For instance, from what I understand from a police officer I play tennis with, if you get a guy on PCP, you need either a big game net, a team of five or six cops to do some serious tackling and throw-downs, or a big gun - or track shoes. That's it, that's your choices. That's why I prefer a moderate-to-large caliber handgun over pepper spray. You don't want to give your assailant ANY CHANCE of harming you.

And by trying to say that my attitude makes me "judge, jury, and executioner" you omit a very important factor. I might not have the TIME for a police officer to come out and arrest my assailant so that s/he can go before a judge and jury. The American (and, from what I hear, many other) police departments can be very slow to respond.

Particularly in N'Awlins, we are low on police officers anyway because the overall population of the city is so badly reduced. The police hierarchy has to make priority decisions about patrol routes. Therefore the police are slow to respond in some of the harder-hit areas.

The pious mouthings about "Oh, so now you are judge, jury, and executioner" leave out one more thing that I would prefer to be in such a confrontation - the last person still standing when the police finally arrive. If you can't understand THAT simple concept, you have no business criticizing me for my opinion.

The reason that the .45 caliber automatic weapon was invented was because smaller weapons didn't have adequate stopping power for a drugged / berserk combatant.


I’m afraid you’re a little off on this one.

Prier to the introduction of semi-automatic pistols in the late 19th century nearly all handguns had a fairly large caliber, usually between 40 and 50 caliber with some as large as 60 caliber.

So large stopping power actually preceded semi-automatic weapons. The 45 was introduced by colt in 1911 for use by the US military.

The problem with pepper spray is that it isn't reliable either. We always have had this problem and always will. The problem is TIME. You don't want to give your attacker TIME to do you more harm.
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Ah you have changed the argument from my original assessment of people’s willingness or ability to kill without hesitation to one of effectiveness against PCP addicts.

As I asserted earlier most people without military training (and some with) will hesitate. So if you’re a women in a mall parking lot and a rapist is out for you a whistle and a can of professional strength pepper spray would be a significantly preferable defense over a handgun.

Shotguns worked but didnt' have the effective range.


Shotguns have actually a more effective range than most people can accurately fire large caliber hand guns. Anyway usually less than 75 yards or so. The problem with shotguns for out of the house self protection is obviously their bulk.

For defending your home I can’t imagine a better weapon.

The pious mouthings about "Oh, so now you are judge, jury, and executioner" leave out one more thing that I would prefer to be in such a confrontation - the last person still standing when the police finally arrive. If you can't understand THAT simple concept, you have no business criticizing me for my opinion.
Why can't you understand that there is difference between defence and pumping 3 bullets into a person?

Why can't you understand that there is difference between defence and pumping 3 bullets into a person?What would you recommend for your average, felonious , home intruder? Harsh language?

What would you recommend for your average, felonious , home intruder? Harsh language?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1205000/images/_1206896_light_sabre150.jpg

What would you recommend for your average, felonious , home intruder? Harsh language?

First change your flyscreens into the metal stuff that even even crowbars cant get through (some metal flyscreen), and get a baseball bat insted of a gun so atleast you can hit him without killing him. And if he has a gun then let him take the shit that he wants. And get some good insurance if it happens frequently in your area. Maybe even a house alarm can help.

See if he has a gun and he sees you with a gun then he gets nervous and may shoot you instantly, but if you have a bat then he knows he has the upper hand and dosent have to shoot you unless you advance on him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1205000/images/_1206896_light_sabre150.jpg

Good one. :)

If only we could stop criminals by using The Force. :rolleyes: :cool:

If only we could stop criminals by using The Force. :rolleyes: :cool:
"These are not the valuables you're looking for... Move along!" ;)

"These are not the valuables you're looking for... Move along!" ;)

"you came here to take out the trash..."

Rich, that's quite possibly one of your best comebacks!:D :D
"the negotiations were short":eek:

See if he has a gun and he sees you with a gun then he gets nervous and may shoot you instantly, but if you have a bat then he knows he has the upper hand and dosent have to shoot you unless you advance on him.ooookay. You're obviously not in synch with how we do things over here, pardner:cool: (I couldn't find the little smiley with the cowboy hat)11:30PM: A noise is heard in the downstairs kitchen
11:32PM: Retrieve suitable armaments from gun safe (sawed off 12, Colt 1911, Uzi 9mm, cap gun, laser pointer, rubber band gun, and Ah-nold mask)
11:40PM: Finish prep and load of said weaponry
11:41PM: Begin firing, through the wall in the general direction of the offending noise
11:45PM: After the smoke clears, and the damage is assessed, figure out how to explain to the wife what happened to her cat...

In all seriousness, this isn't the movies. If you are frightened enough to retrieve a weapon, you're not going to go all 'in 'da 'hood about it and waste time posturing. Do or do not, there is no try:eek:.

Ah you have changed the argument from my original assessment of people’s willingness or ability to kill without hesitation to one of effectiveness against PCP addicts.

As I asserted earlier most people without military training (and some with) will hesitate. So if you’re a women in a mall parking lot and a rapist is out for you a whistle and a can of professional strength pepper spray would be a significantly preferable defense over a handgun.

While I absolutely agree with you with the preference over a handgun, I do however know an unfortunate fact about pepper-spray, or mace, etc.

It is NOT 100% effective in all cases.

While this sounds like the beginning of an urban legend, my boyfriend's best friend's sister-in-law (whom I also happen to know, hence the non-legend status) is a police officer. As part of their training they get tear-gas or whatever it is sprayed into their faces. She and/or her husband (also a copper) didn't have any reaction to it. It happens in between 3-10% of cases. Not a statistic that is particularly comforting when being a woman in a car park at night....

While I absolutely agree with you with the preference over a handgun, I do however know an unfortunate fact about pepper-spray, or mace, etc.

It is NOT 100% effective in all cases.

While this sounds like the beginning of an urban legend, my boyfriend's best friend's sister-in-law (whom I also happen to know, hence the non-legend status) is a police officer. As part of their training they get tear-gas or whatever it is sprayed into their faces. She and/or her husband (also a copper) didn't have any reaction to it. It happens in between 3-10% of cases. Not a statistic that is particularly comforting when being a woman in a car park at night....



No doubt, but I bet much more than that percentage fail, when trying to shoot their way out. And many times that amount fail without any type of defense.

True enough, people, and particularly women need to mind their environment very diligently.

ooookay. You're obviously not in synch with how we do things over here, pardner:cool: (I couldn't find the little smiley with the cowboy hat)11:30PM: A noise is heard in the downstairs kitchen
11:32PM: Retrieve suitable armaments from gun safe (sawed off 12, Colt 1911, Uzi 9mm, cap gun, laser pointer, rubber band gun, and Ah-nold mask)
11:40PM: Finish prep and load of said weaponry
11:41PM: Begin firing, through the wall in the general direction of the offending noise
11:45PM: After the smoke clears, and the damage is assessed, figure out how to explain to the wife what happened to her cat...

In all seriousness, this isn't the movies. If you are frightened enough to retrieve a weapon, you're not going to go all 'in 'da 'hood about it and waste time posturing. Do or do not, there is no try:eek:.

I see, well looks like you got it pretty hard over there. What is the law on killing a home indruder armed or not armed?

No doubt, but I bet much more than that percentage fail, when trying to shoot their way out. And many times that amount fail without any type of defense.

True enough, people, and particularly women need to mind their environment very diligently.

I agree with you, and what if the woman ends up killing the rapist, now thats something i would think would be harder to forget if the rapist in term didn't even manage to take her clothes off. In europe they have female only car parks right near the exits how thats controlled i dont know but the point is there are other ways to deal with somthing like this than just shooting the guy.

In europe they have female only car parks right near the exits how thats controlled i dont know but the point is there are other ways to deal with somthing like this than just shooting the guy.

Mainland Europe possibly. Because they certainly don't have them in my neck of the woods.

I see, well looks like you got it pretty hard over there. What is the law on killing a home indruder armed or not armed?We don't have it hard, I have an over-inflated sense of sarcasm...

Essentially, you cannot escalate more than one level of violence (excessive force). If they are completely unarmed, your baseball bat is valid, but if they have a knife, you may use a gun if you are in genuine fear of your life or that of your family. You can't shoot the guy for an unarmed raiding of your icebox. One other important distinction, which varies from state to state, is at what point the intrusion implies deadly intent. In Pennsylvania, the assailent must be inside the home. In New Hampshire, the law merely states that the intruder must be within the curtilage.

We don't have it hard, I have an over-inflated sense of sarcasm...

Essentially, you cannot escalate more than one level of violence (excessive force). If they are completely unarmed, your baseball bat is valid, but if they have a knife, you may use a gun if you are in genuine fear of your life or that of your family. You can't shoot the guy for an unarmed raiding of your icebox. One other important distinction, which varies from state to state, is at what point the intrusion implies deadly intent. In Pennsylvania, the assailent must be inside the home. In New Hampshire, the law merely states that the intruder must be within the curtilage.


In Texas we tend to pluck them in the driveway.

In Texas we tend to pluck them in the driveway.
One of the funniest comments I ever heard on the Texan idea of justice was, and I can't remember who to attribute it to, "In a time when other states are doing away with capital punishment, increasing leniency, and dismantling their electric chairs, Texas is installing an Express Lane" :eek:

In Texas we tend to pluck them in the driveway.
and in the schoolroom-playground etc.:rolleyes:

and in the schoolroom-playground etc.:rolleyes:
that's just wrong...:(

One of the funniest comments I ever heard on the Texan idea of justice was, and I can't remember who to attribute it to, "In a time when other states are doing away with capital punishment, increasing leniency, and dismantling their electric chairs, Texas is installing an Express Lane" :eek:

Hey Bodi,

That would be Ron White's quote.

that's just wrong...:(
I know it is, that's why we keep telling you something needs to be done to protect your children

American History X

Wow, having read through many forums with people from the UK and US commenting back and forth, the great majority of UK posts rely completely on stereotypical concepts of the American people...mostly brought on with absolutely no personal experience..you say you have based your opinions partly from forum posts by Americans...strangely enough, most of the American postings you reply to and comment about are Americans defending themselves from your juvenile anti-US comments. Basically what that does is make your opinion on us wrongfully justified in your mind, because your US post readings consist mostly of people you are currently in mid argument with.
Keep in mind that media is a business, and they strive from creating controversy whether it exist or not, or even worse- based loosely on truth and exaggerated, then feeding that to people like you who eat it up, and form opinions on what you ignorantly percieve as fact. I read almost 200 of Rich's post, and I must say, you are perhaps the most close-minded, set in your (absolutely childish) ways, individual on any forum I have read thus far. Congratulations. Try calming down, spend some time outside, smell some flowers or spend some time with your family to relax a little before replying to this post, if you decide to. Point is...relax, quit bashing Americans just to make yourself feel superior. Your not...at best, your equal. Have a nice day. :P

Welcome to the forums, Worley. :D

are Americans defending themselves from your juvenile anti-US comments.
Here we go, anyone who dares to point out facts is branded anti-American

Keep in mind that media is a business, and they strive from creating controversy whether it exist or not, or even worse- based loosely on truth and exaggerated, then feeding that to people like you who eat it up, and form opinions on what you ignorantly percieve as fact.
I see, so Columbine etc.,etc are all figments of the media, the dead kids parents will be mightily relieved:rolleyes:


I read almost 200 of Rich's post, and I must say, you are perhaps the most close-minded, set in your (absolutely childish) ways, individual on any forum I have read thus far.

I might suggest you read some more then

, smell some flowers
At least I can in my country, unlike the pollution ridden US

Point is...relax, quit bashing Americans just to make yourself feel superior.

I don't need to bash America to do that thanks, anyway it comes naturally

Your not...at best, your equal.
To Bush and the Republicans, I don't bloody think so:mad:

Have a nice day.

At least try and get the time correct it's evening

At least try and get the time correct it's evening

So the evening isn't a part of your day? My calendar must be broken, because I don't see evening being differentiated...

Ask your calendar why you don't get daylight at night then

Hey Rich, there are these things called "time zones". Perhaps you've heard of them. It may not have been night where that poster was. It was posted at 2:06pm here in mine. :rolleyes:

Ask your calendar why you don't get daylight at night then

But he really didn't say "enjoy your daylight," did he? I think most people consider the evening a part of their day.

But he really didn't say "enjoy your daylight," did he? I think most people consider the evening a part of their day.
I don't because day is usually associated with daytime, ie during daylight:p

Hey Rich, there are these things called "time zones". Perhaps you've heard of them. It may not have been night where that poster was. It was posted at 2:06pm here in mine. :rolleyes:

You ought to tell Boddy then that I post in English because I live in the UK:rolleyes:

You ought to tell Boddy then that I post in English because I live in the UK:rolleyes:

Was that supposed to be relevant or make any sense at all? You attacked a guy for saying a pleasant "Have a nice day" because it happened to be night where you are. It was day in half the world at that point, my friend. I know you think the world revolves around you, but it doesn't.

Here we go, anyone who dares to point out facts is branded anti-American

Wow, you disappoint me. Spend a few more months in your superior school system, or take a class on literary comprehension... perhaps you will realize that I called your comments anti-American, not specifically you. If I am wrong, please correct me. Were your comments pro-American? Perhaps they were neutral-American? Perhaps you are in need of some maturity?


I see, so Columbine etc.,etc are all figments of the media, the dead kids parents will be mightily relieved:rolleyes:

Nope, that pretty much happened, and was a horrible thing. It was on the news (as it should have been, although maybe not in exclusion of everything else) for over two days, leading every other story.. Media motto is "If it bleeds, it leads."




I might suggest you read some more then

I am not exaggerating in any way when I say I can only take so much childishness at once. Reading through that many of your posts was speedily taxing my endurance to the point where I most likely snapped at my two year old daughter once or twice, and if I did, it is your fault. How does that make you feel? Now I have to call supernanny.


At least I can in my country, unlike the pollution ridden US

Your a sad person. I forgive you. I am quite suprised you smell much at all with your head so far up your....well, you know. How many European cities/countries are on the top ten list for air pollution, and how many North American/US cities? I think the number will suprise you. Try again, or better yet, twist my words to make me wrong in some insignifigant way.


I don't need to bash America to do that thanks, anyway it comes naturally

You really feel that way? lol, you need Jesus.


To Bush and the Republicans, I don't bloody think so:mad:

Yeah, and Tony Blair is my hero. Maybe one day we will even see his face if he comes out from under Bush's table and wipes his chin off. You have great rolemodels, like....um....well there is....uh.....nevermind, he was born in Maine, um....



At least try and get the time correct it's evening

Now that was just desperate, and you and I both know it. Ever heard of a time-zone Sherlock? Or are you Watson? Have a nice....uh....Sunday?

It looks like we have us a new champian.

Good Luck Worley.

I think I was the first to call him obtuse over a year ago. You're on your second post and already frustrated.

You'll need to pace yourself.

Oh by the way, where as, he does command a modicum of British wit, he makes up for it in his complete lack of ability to comprehend any concept outside his perspective.

Was that supposed to be relevant or make any sense at all? You attacked a guy for saying a pleasant "Have a nice day" because it happened to be night where you are. It was day in half the world at that point, my friend. I know you think the world revolves around you, but it doesn't.
Just the same as Americans think the world relvolves around them and America, in any case the original poster was being sarcastic not friendly.

Wow, you disappoint me. Spend a few more months in your superior school system, or take a class on literary comprehension... perhaps you will realize that I called your comments anti-American, not specifically you. If I am wrong, please correct me. Were your comments pro-American? Perhaps they were neutral-American? Perhaps you are in need of some maturity?


If posting the facts results in you branding my comments or me anti-American then it's you who has the problem, not me.


Nope, that pretty much happened, and was a horrible thing. It was on the news (as it should have been, although maybe not in exclusion of everything else) for over two days, leading every other story.. Media motto is "If it bleeds, it leads."



Well that story only lasted in the news until the next shooting and the next and the next and forever and a day because Americans care more for their guns than their children

I am not exaggerating in any way when I say I can only take so much childishness at once. Reading through that many of your posts was speedily taxing my endurance to the point where I most likely snapped at my two year old daughter once or twice, and if I did, it is your fault. How does that make you feel? Now I have to call supernanny.



Typical American trait, if you're not snapping at each other, you're snapping at another country. Where to tomorrow, Iran,N.Korea, Syria?:rolleyes:


Your a sad person. I forgive you. I am quite suprised you smell much at all with your head so far up your....well, you know. How many European cities/countries are on the top ten list for air pollution, and how many North American/US cities? I think the number will suprise you. Try again, or better yet, twist my words to make me wrong in some insignifigant way.


The US is responsible for 25% of the world's current pollution problem, want to try again?

You really feel that way? lol, you need Jesus.


I don't believe in fairy tales thanks, odd that so many Americans do though

Yeah, and Tony Blair is my hero. Maybe one day we will even see his face if he comes out from under Bush's table and wipes his chin off. You have great rolemodels, like....um....well there is....uh.....nevermind, he was born in Maine, um....



Like I said earlier, had you read more posts here, you would have discovered for yourself that we hold Bliar as high as Bush, now what's your point?

Now that was just desperate, and you and I both know it. Ever heard of a time-zone Sherlock? Or are you Watson? Have a nice....uh....Sunday?
As I've said elsewhere, your "greeting" was sarcastic and I responded in the same manner, have a nice day yourself, I of course can say this because your day hasn't started yet, but then you should hide your daughter first if reading some facts upsets you so much:rolleyes:

It looks like we have us a new champian.

Good Luck Worley.

I think I was the first to call him obtuse over a year ago. You're on your second post and already frustrated.

You'll need to pace yourself.

Oh by the way, where as, he does command a modicum of British wit, he makes up for it in his complete lack of ability to comprehend any concept outside his perspective.

Jesus Christ Jenny, how many times are you going to be resurrected?:rolleyes:

If posting the facts results in you branding my comments or me anti-American then it's you who has the problem, not me.


Who are you defending here? Are you trying to say you are not anti-American? Do you realize your entire argument here is based off you claiming everything you say is fact, and that, sadly enough, its the general consensus here that you are, in fact, full of sh*t? hehe try again, or give sources. ::rolleyes like Rich::



Well that story only lasted in the news until the next shooting and the next and the next and forever and a day because Americans care more for their guns than their children


I like how when your getting worked on the forums, you resort to cheap shots about our children. I am prior military, wounded in Fallujah in 2004 and missing my left leg. I also live in the south. I do not own a gun, yet I have the money to buy one if I wish it. Point is, you childishly generalize all Americans together. That kind of blind grouping and prejudice is usually accompanied with a swastika. You seem pretty well informed about American mediaand news, I take it you watch it quite often? Once again, you disappoint me.



Typical American trait, if you're not snapping at each other, you're snapping at another country. Where to tomorrow, Iran,N.Korea, Syria?:rolleyes:


I find it funny that you are the aggressive combative angry one on the forums, and you call it a primarily American trait. Also, nice diversion from the point, it almost worked. Ok, it really didnt, but I dont want to hurt your feelings too much.




The US is responsible for 25% of the world's current pollution problem, want to try again?


"But Dr Krzyzanowski said that South East Asia and parts of central and eastern Europe had the worst air pollution."
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/325/7377/1380/c
Thats worldwide statistics, son. I tried again, and I likey!



I don't believe in fairy tales thanks, odd that so many Americans do though


You say you dont believe in "Fairy Tales", yet one of your next posts says "Jesus Christ". If you dont believe in that one, you would be better off using "Unicorn!" as an expletive. Your lack of faith in a higher power also explains your lack of intuitive thinking and comprehension. You disappoint me yet again.



Like I said earlier, had you read more posts here, you would have discovered for yourself that we hold Bliar as high as Bush, now what's your point?


I think I made it quite clear. How is that class on literary comprehension going? I tutor in my off time, send me an email, we'll talk money. ;)
Point was you are worse off than we are as far as country leadership.

As I've said elsewhere, your "greeting" was sarcastic and I responded in the same manner, have a nice day yourself, I of course can say this because your day hasn't started yet, but then you should hide your daughter first if reading some facts upsets you so much:rolleyes:

Once again, nice diversion from the fact you forgot about time zones on your last Worley directed post. Me and my daughter are fine now, I bought her a gun.
On a serious note, when I say "Have a nice day" I really do mean "Have a nice day". These are just forums, and I am here for fun and some good natured arguments. I dont intent on deeply scarring anyone, and I am quite sure everyone...well most everyone here is capable of carrying on a mature conversation. I really, without a doubt, hope everyone reading wakes up in a good mood, has a nice morning, and great evening, and goes to sleep without a hitch. Seriously...Have a nice day! I will. :P

its the general consensus here that you are, in fact, full of sh*t? hehe try again, or give sources. ::rolleyes like Rich::



Only by Americans who resent the facts when pointed out to them

I like how when your getting worked on the forums, you resort to cheap shots about our children. I am prior military, wounded in Fallujah in 2004 and missing my left leg. I also live in the south. I do not own a gun, yet I have the money to buy one if I wish it. Point is, you childishly generalize all Americans together. That kind of blind grouping and prejudice is usually accompanied with a swastika. You seem pretty well informed about American mediaand news, I take it you watch it quite often? Once again, you disappoint me.




I've been making the point about American society not caring for it's children for years here. When you start doing something about protecting them and not some scrap of centuries out of date piece of paper then I'll withdraw the accusations.
I'm sorry to here about your leg, though I'm somewhat confused as to why you brought it into this thread, I've never sought political gain or poked fun at the disabled:confused:

I find it funny that you are the aggressive combative angry one on the forums, and you call it a primarily American trait. Also, nice diversion from the point, it almost worked. Ok, it really didnt, but I dont want to hurt your feelings too much.




I'm not the one with a history of invading every country that upsets the US, or snapping at my family because I don't like a poster


"But Dr Krzyzanowski said that South East Asia and parts of central and eastern Europe had the worst air pollution."
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/325/7377/1380/c
Thats worldwide statistics, son. I tried again, and I likey!


Wrong site, try again, look at the chart and see where the US is in comparison to Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

You say you dont believe in "Fairy Tales", yet one of your next posts says "Jesus Christ". If you dont believe in that one, you would be better off using "Unicorn!" as an expletive.

I've not said that I don't believe someone called Jesus Christ didn't exist, I don't believe he's the son of god


Your lack of faith in a higher power also explains your lack of intuitive thinking and comprehension. You disappoint me yet again.



You shouldn't be disappointed, I'm not a hypocrite


we'll talk money.

Ah, the true religion in America

Point was you are worse off than we are as far as country leadership.


Really, who's the country where the leader locks up funny looking people for years without trial?:rolleyes:

Me and my daughter are fine now, I bought her a gun.

Shouldn't that be "My daughter and I"?:confused: oh and make sure she points the gun in the right directioin

On a serious note, when I say "Have a nice day" I really do mean "Have a nice day". These are just forums, and I am here for fun and some good natured arguments. I dont intent on deeply scarring anyone
That's ok, I accept the apology

Seriously...Have a nice day! I will.
Well you got in early enough and since it's a long day today, I will, but then I always do

Only by Americans who resent the facts when pointed out to them

All your doing, over and over, is saying you speak only facts, and for the third time, I ask you to show proof of what you say, or at least some source, and I will concede that point.


I've been making the point about American society not caring for it's children for years here. When you start doing something about protecting them and not some scrap of centuries out of date piece of paper then I'll withdraw the accusations.

How many American families do you personally have a relationship with? You keep saying the same things over and over. I care deeply for my child, and I am happy to say I have another one on the way. :) (hopefully a boy this time) To make such a direct, obscene comment as that, you should at least have some personal experience to feel so strongly about it...or are you still going on the info you get from your media. You are hopeless, lol.

I'm sorry to here about your leg, though I'm somewhat confused as to why you brought it into this thread, I've never sought political gain or poked fun at the disabled:confused:

I know you haven't poked fun at disabled, I was just trying to show I fulfill all stereotypical requirements of an American gun owner, yet I own no gun. Not everything is as black and white as you perceive them to be.



I'm not the one with a history of invading every country that upsets the US, or snapping at my family because I don't like a poster

Another diversion, huh? Those got old last post. I was talking about you being an aggressive argumentative poster, who's reason for living seems to be labeling Americans as aggressive and argumentative. Also, to ease your mind, no daughters were harmed in the making of this post ... or the last one, or the one before, nor was she mistreated or harmed in any way, and will not be, as a result of you or your ramblings.

You shouldn't be disappointed, I'm not a hypocrite

Read above. Silly man.




Wrong site, try again, look at the chart and see where the US is in comparison to Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

Did you seriously not know that there is more than one type of air pollution? You are defending yourself with a single factor of air pollution... My link was world wide, overall, all factor encompassing statistics. Did you look at the top ten most polluted countries in the world list like I asked you to? Did you notice the overwhelming European presence there, or perhaps the lack of North American cities? If you did (and I suspect so), you conveniently forgot to comment on it. Oops! Your bad! ::rolleyes like Rich::



I've not said that I don't believe someone called Jesus Christ didn't exist, I don't believe he's the son of god

You are entitled to that opinion. Do you use any other names as expletives? Like "Jack Black!" or "General Sanders!", maybe after stubbing a toe, or when the power goes out and you cant find a flashlight?


Ah, the true religion in America.

Once again, how many Americans or American families do you know personally? The comment you wrote that about was blatant sarcasm. Then again I have noticed you only hear what serves your purpose. Most healthy/somewhat normal people stop doing that around fifth grade.



Really, who's the country where the leader locks up funny looking people for years without trial?:rolleyes:

That was just funny, and so Ill give you a point for that.


Shouldn't that be "My daughter and I"?:confused: oh and make sure she points the gun in the right directioin

Actually no, it shouldn't. Also, next time you start "trying" to point out grammatical errors, please try to finish your reply without typos in the next sentence. It is spelled "direction". Another diversion attempt stopped cold. Do we really want to play the grammar game? You are reaching out for any small victory. Its obvious, please stop, its sad. :(


That's ok, I accept the apology

Good, I don't want you angry, you get desperate and type nonsense when your angry, lol.


Well you got in early enough and since it's a long day today, I will, but then I always do

Have a nice time.

Great disscusion/argument guys. Im having just as much fun as you guys and i dont have to do anything but read :D

Rich - The smart raving young man. Without him these forums would be so boring i dont think i would be here.
Worley - The man with much life experience and has much to offer these forums

To us america is an overweight anoying lady but if she is you mother you have to deal with it and you will still love her and will protect her no matter what anyone else thinks. As i would do the same.

Me and my daughter are fine now
Shouldn't that be "My daughter and I"?
Actually no, it shouldn't.
Much as I hate to side with Rich... :p
he was right in this case.
1. You put the other person before yourself
2. When referring to yourself, you use the word that you would use if you weren't including another person.

"Me (is/are/am) fine now" is clearly wrong
"I (am) fine now" is correct


Seriously Rich, you have the occasional valid point, but quit arguing ad nauseam.
(in fact, post nauseam... many people got sick of it ages ago :rolleyes: )

All your doing, over and over, is saying you speak only facts, and for the third time, I ask you to show proof of what you say, or at least some source, and I will concede that point.

The evidence is there for all to see, seek and you will find, as they say


How many American families do you personally have a relationship with? You keep saying the same things over and over. I care deeply for my child, and I am happy to say I have another one on the way. :) (hopefully a boy this time) To make such a direct, obscene comment as that, you should at least have some personal experience to feel so strongly about it...or are you still going on the info you get from your media. You are hopeless, lol.

The evidence supports the fact that American society hath greater love for the gun than its children


Another diversion, huh? Those got old last post. I was talking about you being an aggressive argumentative poster, who's reason for living seems to be labeling Americans as aggressive and argumentative. Also, to ease your mind, no daughters were harmed in the making of this post ... or the last one, or the one before, nor was she mistreated or harmed in any way, and will not be, as a result of you or your ramblings.



Well I'll ease your mind, no Americans were harmed by post or any other for that fact



Did you seriously not know that there is more than one type of air pollution? You are defending yourself with a single factor of air pollution... My link was world wide, overall, all factor encompassing statistics. Did you look at the top ten most polluted countries in the world list like I asked you to? Did you notice the overwhelming European presence there, or perhaps the lack of North American cities? If you did (and I suspect so), you conveniently forgot to comment on it. Oops! Your bad! ::rolleyes like Rich::



The biggest threat to man and the planet is coming from global waming due to carbon emissions, the US is the worst offender

You are entitled to that opinion. Do you use any other names as expletives? Like "Jack Black!" or "General Sanders!", maybe after stubbing a toe, or when the power goes out and you cant find a flashlight?

.

Jack Black and General Saunders have no meaning to me, or I suspect anybody else.

Once again, how many Americans or American families do you know personally?


56





Actually no, it shouldn't. Also, next time you start "trying" to point out grammatical errors, please try to finish your reply without typos in the next sentence. It is spelled "direction". Another diversion attempt stopped cold. Do we really want to play the grammar game? You are reaching out for any small victory. Its obvious, please stop, its sad. :(


Typical of America, start a war and then blame somebody else for it

I think I made it quite clear. How is that class on literary comprehension going? I tutor in my off time, send me an email, we'll talk money:rolleyes:


I don't want you angry,
I and most of those with a brain have been angry since Bush the warmonger took office

Have a nice time.
Depends on what I'm doing at the time of course

Seriously Rich, you have the occasional valid point, but quit arguing ad nauseam.
(in fact, post nauseam... many people got sick of it ages ago :rolleyes: )
Please feel free to exercise your right to ignore any posts you don't agree with, oh and who are all these "people" you're speaking for?

I read almost 200 of Rich's post, and I must say, you are perhaps the most close-minded, set in your (absolutely childish) ways, individual on any forum I have read thus far.
You'll notice that in the 200 posts you have read, Rich hasn't resorted to calling anyone "childish"[/quote]

quit bashing Americans just to make yourself feel superior.
Rich and I point out these things because your media is so censored that you never get the real truth.
We are here to help you rid your government of a warmongering religious freak who is happy to send US military to their death without a care and based on lies.
As I pointed out last week, more US military have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the twin towers scuffle. The relatives of that got $3million each, how much does a dead soldiers family get apart from a purple heart that sells on ebay for $10?

As an ex-military, is Iraq worth it?

Col

Your lack of faith in a higher power also explains your lack of intuitive thinking and comprehension.
Having faith does not necessarily mean intuitive thinking and comprehension. It often means a mind easily brainwashed, tunnel vision thoughts and a huge inability to not accepting reality.
It means an easy way out of decisions (god told me to do it) and shows (especially in Americans) how the mind can be manipulated by Governmental spin.

I tutor in my off time,
Tutor what? How to teach children not to shoot and kill each other?


Me and my daughter are fine now, I bought her a gun.
change my previous comment to "teaching children how to shoot and kill each other" why on earth would you buy your daughter a gun?

Col

It has been a good couple of weeks - No School shootings (that have made the news) !!

why on earth would you buy your daughter a gun?so she can learn to protect herself from all the religious zealots and homicidal maniacs while in pre-school, obviously....


I'm pretty sure that's sarcasm, there Col :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that's sarcasm, there Col :rolleyes:
Oh right - an American attempting sarcasm - how quaint:rolleyes: :D

Col

why on earth would you buy your daughter a gun?

Col

Because we love our children.

Because we love our children.
Still here then Jen? can't stay away eh?

Yes, it must be pretty normal for an American parent to make sure their kids go out armed to the teeth. I just hope the parents are responsible enough to ensure their kids know exactly where to shoot to kill someone.

Is it true that American schools have airport style metal detectors now because so many kids carry guns?

I suppose the kids see the parents huge arsenal of weapons and naturally want some of their own.

Col

Still here then Jen? can't stay away eh?

Yes, it must be pretty normal for an American parent to make sure their kids go out armed to the teeth. I just hope the parents are responsible enough to ensure their kids know exactly where to shoot to kill someone.

Is it true that American schools have airport style metal detectors now because so many kids carry guns?

I suppose the kids see the parents huge arsenal of weapons and naturally want some of their own.

Col

Damn Right, huh what great pun.

I suppose the kids see the parents huge arsenal of weapons and naturally want some of their own.

Col
Yes they lead by example:rolleyes:

Is it true that American schools have airport style metal detectors now because so many kids carry guns?


Sadly, metal detactors for weapons are'nt just a North American problem, albeit more for knives than guns in the UK. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/humber/4167237.stm

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/education/schools/bullying-at-school/metal-detectors-introduced-in-schools-$454824.htm

Damn Right, huh what great pun.

I'm clearly being dense today. Where was the pun? :confused:

I'm clearly being dense today. Where was the pun? :confused:

Right to Bear arms.

How right you are.

I suppose the kids see the parents huge arsenal of weapons and naturally want some of their own.

Col
No, teaching your children to shoot is the best form of gun control. :confused:

You'll notice that in the 200 posts you have read, Rich hasn't resorted to calling anyone "childish"
If you limit everything to one word, that is pretty much what you have.
And IMO Rich has either implied, or out right said much worse.
Rich and I point out these things because your media is so censored that you never get the real truth.
Not censored, just a by product of capitalism, must have those ratinegs you know. But having spent time in the UK, overall, stillmuch better than the UK TV stations. NOT saying yours are bad, just not as much selection. Once spolled by 200 worthless channels, only have like 5 worthless ones is a drag. :p
We are here to help you rid your government of a warmongering religious freak who is happy to send US military to their death without a care and based on lies.
See, worse than "childish".
As I pointed out last week, more US military have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the twin towers scuffle. The relatives of that got $3million each, how much does a dead soldiers family get apart from a purple heart that sells on ebay for $10?
hate to see our soldiers paying the price, but not real sure what the toll from the twin towers has to do with it. Yes it is a shame on the payout, but that is politics, not so much right or wrong.
And as an observation, both you and more so Rich, can not seem to break apart the politics from the general population.

Right to Bear arms.

How right you are.
Shame the right to life isn't included for your kids:rolleyes:

Shame the right to life isn't included for your kids:rolleyes:

Shame you cant speak English or understand American.

Shame you cant speak English or understand American.
Which language are you using?:rolleyes:

Shame the right to life isn't included for your kids:rolleyes:

Yea I know, abortion is still legal!

Yea I know, abortion is still legal!
Kids aren't kids until they're born:rolleyes:

Kids aren't kids until they're born:rolleyes:


I disagree. :(

I disagree. :(

Ditto. I second her disagreement.

At what point do they become "kids" then? At the instant the egg is fertilised? Or some specific point of foetal development?

The evidence is there for all to see, seek and you will find, as they say

OK, after the fourth time I asked you for sources or proof, you give the same type of response. I win.

The evidence supports the fact that American society hath greater love for the gun than its children

Blah blah blah, more diversion, more lack of sources. I win.

Well I'll ease your mind, no Americans were harmed by post or any other for that fact

We are pretty tough. :P

The biggest threat to man and the planet is coming from global waming due to carbon emissions, the US is the worst offender

Finally, a good response from you, although I don't completely agree, it is a valid point, and is duly noted. Nonetheless, Europe, has a worse overall air pollution rating than anyone.


Jack Black and General Saunders have no meaning to me, or I suspect anybody else.

Jack Black is quite funny, and General Sanders is the Kentucky Fried Chicken guy. They have great meaning, and (especially KFC) are a staple of American life.

56

You never understand sarcasm when its being used against you, yet offer it when it helps you distract from the fact you are getting worked on the forums. I win.

Typical of America, start a war and then blame somebody else for it

Nope, we started a war. We pretty much take blame...then again is it the first person to swing that starts a fight, or the person who started the problem in the first place?

I and most of those with a brain have been angry since Bush the warmonger took office

I like how you separated yourself from "most of those with a Brain". You are finally beginning to understand. I am almost proud of you. You keep assuming the government and the people are the same, and because America is at war, its people are all gun toting violent children eaters, or that we are all like Bush. If the people and the government are all the same type of people, does that mean all of UK "service" Bush for the media? Maybe you do it for fun, lol.

Colin.....I apologize, I seriously was not aware you and Rich were married, I am not prepared to forum battle a married couple. He could have used you as one of his famous diversion attempts a few days ago, he has been getting punished, lol. Also, when did the term "childish" become so terrible that you feel the need to point out my use of the word? (Especially when properly used) I associate the word to him mentally, not physically, I am quite sure he is the epitome of manhood physically (but I'll let you worry about that)...it's his mind I am worried about. If you cannot stand such harsh terms as that, I imagine you are on the wrong forum. Oh, and our media isn't so much censored as it is biased, lol, get it right.

On a serious note, as ex-military, I think it was worth it. You would have to see what these people live like. A government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around. It is easy for us to say we shouldn't be there, we have (like it or not, and admit it or not) a better governing system than they, and no matter the reason for going to Iraq in the first place, it is now an economically powerful country that is completely destabilized. It needs restructuring now, no matter the reason, and there is no responsible way to remove ourselves from Iraq until they have a working government again. Blah blah, you came blame me personally for the US going there, if you want to, and dwell on it as long as you want, but I think its a better policy to wait and point fingers until after we can fix the current problems. It does no good crying over it anyhow, now does it, except perhaps to help the more childish[U].among us feel a little better. (yes, I wrote "childish", call the royal navy)

Oh, and in my eyes, kids become "kids" or "babies" in my eyes the first time its heart beats, perhaps earlier.

OK, after the fourth time I asked you for sources or proof, you give the same type of response. I win.



Blah blah blah, more diversion, more lack of sources. I win.



No diversion at all, I continually post sources to back up my arguments, like I said seek and you will find, now what is it that you have a problem looking for yourself with?

Blah blah blah, more diversion, more lack of sources. I win.

More denial, blah blah, your children lose

We are pretty tough

Where's the evidence to back that up?

Finally, a good response from you, although I don't completely agree

You don't completely agree that it was a good response, or that the problem exists in the first place?

Jack Black is quite funny, and General Sanders is the Kentucky Fried Chicken guy. They have great meaning, and (especially KFC) are a staple of American life.


They're not funny to me and have no meaning either

You never understand sarcasm when its being used against you, yet offer it when it helps you distract from the fact you are getting worked on the forums. I win.


You're the one who thought the response sarcastic, I win, now do you need their addresses?:rolleyes:

Nope, we started a war. We pretty much take blame...then again is it the first person to swing that starts a fight, or the person who started the problem in the first place?



Bush started the problem

I like how you separated yourself from "most of those with a Brain".
Read it again, I didn't separate myself

You keep assuming the government and the people are the same, and because America is at war, its people are all gun toting violent children eaters,

No, your history does that

If the people and the government are all the same type of people, does that mean all of UK "service" Bush for the media? Maybe you do it for fun, lol.

Most of the British people saw Bush as the greatest threat to world peace except the prick at the top

A government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around.
Yeah sure, great example, that's why Bush introduced the Patriot act, still as long as your establishment keeps feeding you the "we're free" garbage you'll swallow it

Yea I know, abortion is still legal!
So is the gun that kill so many, what's your point?

I imagine you are on the wrong forum.
and who the hell do you think you are, listen sonny, I have every right to be here as do all members.
You've been here 5 minutes with 5 posts. I've been here for 6 years, and you're telling me I'm in the wrong forum??
Bloody typical Yank, think you can lord it over everyone - go steady my friend, you are near the edge:rolleyes:

But having spent time in the UK, overall, stillmuch better than the UK TV stations. NOT saying yours are bad, just not as much selection. Once spolled by 200 worthless channels, only have like 5 worthless ones is a drag
you need to visit again, we have over 200 channels including the censored American rubbish called CNN and Fox

On a serious note, as ex-military, I think it was worth it. You would have to see what these people live like.
I have, I spent 2 weeks in Afghanistan and 2 weeks in Iran, a week in India and a week in Pakistan, we followed the old silk route for 3 months - so again don't tell me what to do. Just because they do not live the USA way of life doesn't mean you have to screw it all up for them.
What the USA has done [in Iraq] is like someone trashing your house, then coming back to tell you what furnishings and carpet to have. You would hit the roof if someone did that to you.

Imagine the North Koreans trashing the USA then telling you that you should live their lifestyle

Col

Colin.....I apologize, I seriously was not aware you and Rich were married, I am not prepared to forum battle a married couple.
I am assuming that is an American attempt at a joke - I will treat it that way for the time being. However, there had better not be any undertones to that comment.

Col

I am assuming that is an American attempt at a joke - I will treat it that way for the time being. However, there had better not be any undertones to that comment.

Col

Damn Col, And all this time you've been carying a torch for Rich. It should have been obvious.

General Sanders is the Kentucky Fried Chicken guy.


Was he promoted for services to the fried food industry? :D

Kids aren't kids until they're born:rolleyes:
Yes master, glad you could clearify that for me. World law according to Rich.
So glad you can go through life with blinders on and only open them when you choose to.

I am assuming that is an American attempt at a joke - I will treat it that way for the time being. However, there had better not be any undertones to that comment.

Col
Col, I find that a bit disturbing coming from you, Rich, no, but you? OK, you are a solid American basher, but not near as far out there as Rich typically. So why would you just not take it as a joke. If there were under tones, I would take it as working together, teaming up, that kind of thing.
Chill a little hows about :)

Col, I find that a bit disturbing coming from you,
I can be disturbing sometimes, its all to do with the moons phase and of course today is halloween:eek:

Which reminds me, we'd better not get any of those little brats coming round tonight:mad:

Col

(yes, I wrote "childish", call the royal navy)


Ok, that needs to be added to the classic one-liners thread :D

At what point do they become "kids" then? At the instant the egg is fertilised? Or some specific point of foetal development?

Maybe this article could help you decide?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3105580.stm

"What's behind the smile, of course, I can't say, but the corners turn up and the cheeks bulge ... I think it must be some indication of contentment in a stress-free environment."

... and General Sanders is the Kentucky Fried Chicken guy. They have great meaning, and (especially KFC) are a staple of American life.


I think that was Colonel Sanders... ;)

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders)

I think that was Colonel Sanders... ;)

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders)

I was just thinking who the hell is General Sanders? :D

I was just thinking who the hell is General Sanders? :D

I did offer a possible explanation back in #328, but I'll just it here being invisible, underpaid, overworked and unappreciated ...:(

I did offer a possible explanation back in #328, but I'll just it here being invisible, underpaid, overworked and unappreciated ...:(

I caught the joke and appreciated it. We Matts have to stick together. :)

I caught the joke and appreciated it. We Matts have to stick together. :)

Okay, I've climbed back in off the ledge.

I did offer a possible explanation back in #328, but I'll just it here being invisible, underpaid, overworked and unappreciated ...:(

Who said that?!?! :confused: :p

I was just thinking who the hell is General Sanders? :D

I was stumped a bit by that one myself, at first. :eek:

I did offer a possible explanation back in #328, but I'll just it here being invisible, underpaid, overworked and unappreciated ...:(

Ohhh....... I get it now :p :p

My bad - :o

Was he promoted for services to the fried food industry? :D...due to KFCs announcement that they will be phasing out using oils containing trans-fats...

...due to KFCs announcement that they will be phasing out using oils containing trans-fats...

Can they bring back that television ad now that said that food from KFC is actually good for you? I remember seeing that last year (before they pulled it) and my jaw dropped. :eek:

Can they bring back that television ad now that said that food from KFC is actually good for you? I remember seeing that last year (before they pulled it) and my jaw dropped. :eek:
The news report I saw referred to the "...oils used to cook [KFC's] chicken and potatoes..." which leads me to believe that the gravy, while excellent, is probably still a stroke in a cup:eek:

I guess it was longer ago than I thought (November 2003). This is what I was speaking of:

http://www.slate.com/id/2090861/

I was just thinking who the hell is General Sanders? :D
Well I did have an uncle in WWII that flew bombers, he retired General, does that count?

Well I did have an uncle in WWII that flew bombers, he retired General, does that count?
ahhhh....he meant Jeneral Sanders?:confused:

ahhhh....he meant Jeneral Sanders?:confused:


That's pretty funny.

Yes master, glad you could clearify that for me. World law according to Rich.
So glad you can go through life with blinders on and only open them when you choose to.
What's the difference between me and the US thinking it's the law of the World?:rolleyes:

Well I did have an uncle in WWII that flew bombers, he retired General, does that count?

Only if he never stopped going on about his 'secret recipe'.

His is an interesting story. He wanted to go before we declared, so he went to Canada and joined the Royals. Later after the US entered he flew B17s.

His is an interesting story. He wanted to go before we declared, so he went to Canada and joined the Royals. Later after the US entered he flew B17s.

... and it was after reaching the rank of Colonel that he overheard someone defending cowardice in the face of attack by saying 'There's nothing wrong with chickens'. This, coupled with the fact that someone had recently told him he'd look good in white if he could just let his beard grow a little, gave him an idea for a business venture after the war, and the rest is history.

I guess it was longer ago than I thought (November 2003). This is what I was speaking of:

http://www.slate.com/id/2090861/

That is funny, yet sad. :cool:

His is an interesting story. He wanted to go before we declared, so he went to Canada and joined the Royals. Later after the US entered he flew B17s.
Old news Jen:rolleyes:

Do you use any other names as expletives? Like "Jack Black!" or "General Sanders!",
No I wouldn't insult real people who have or had the name. I leave the personal insults to Americans

Ok, that needs to be added to the classic one-liners thread :D
How odd that that quote is no longer in the thread, I expect the original poster realised that I would point out that if I did call the Royal Navy, Hollywood would have to re-write the script to show the usn as the heroes in order for Americans to go and view the film:rolleyes:

How odd that that quote is no longer in the thread, I expect the original poster realised that I would point out that if I did call the Royal Navy, Hollywood would have to re-write the script to show the usn as the heroes in order for Americans to go and view the film:rolleyes:

Link (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=534474&postcount=322) :confused:

EDIT: I've just finished a long FTP upload and I have to say watching the progress bar was 100% more stimulating than reading this post.

Link (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=534474&postcount=322) :confused:

EDIT: I've just finished a long FTP upload and I have to say watching the progress bar was 100% more stimulating than reading this post.

Yes, we know Americans prefer fiction to fact

Yes, we know Americans prefer fiction to fact

I'd prefer a little more fact with your fiction :rolleyes:

I'd prefer a little more fact with your fiction :rolleyes:
I've given you the facts, Americans won't watch a film based on the truth unless it paints Americans as the heroes, in fact it has to re-write or ignore the facts to do so. What are you having a problem understanding?

What are you having a problem understanding?

How one can become more humdrum than a progress bar.

I think it has become clear to me that Rich and Colin's entire goal here is to start arguments. (I wish someone had sent me a private message warning me, and it would have saved me a few days. Where were you when I needed you, JSanders, hehe) Lets review here what we know about them:

They are aggressive, argumentative, and frequently use distraction and diversion to keep from answering questions posed to them. When they do answer questions, it is ALWAYS accompanied with a cheap shot of some kind that has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic. They use tactics like: "the facts are there if you look for them" or "seek evidence and YE shall find", which is a clear attempt to divert the clear responsibility of backing your own comments up with facts to the post's reader.
Quick note to UK posters: You post something, its your job to back it up.
Also, Colin was the first to offer a veiled threats. Colin, did you seriously threaten me over the internet? lol...Did you get permission from your husband? He seems the type that likes to be in control. I bet when he types, he mashes the buttons really hard. Oh, and I saw how angry you got on your posts, don't bother denying it or diverting from the facts. You really are on the wrong forum...you get "childishly" angry when people use the word childish, and you threaten people over the forums. That's so cute.

Way I see it, everyone.....Rich and Colin (sitting in a tree) are acting much like they claim our government is: Irresponsible, blatant overuse of diversion tactics, they only answer the questions they can BS up an answer for, and try to pretend everything they say is accepted as fact. They are aggressive...they start fights where none existed before, and try to keep everyone in a tizzy. You have to admit, American posters...its been fun watching them scramble on the defense for a few days, eh? Nice to see the tables turned. You can clearly see they don't like it one bit.

Ha. Only 6 posts and you've already caught on. ;)

Most of us around here don't pay too much attention to them.:p

On the rare occasion they're not trying to pick a fight or bash the USA, they have some interesting things to say...

On the rare occasion they're not trying to pick a fight or bash the USA, they have some interesting things to say...


............YUP

I think it has become clear to me that Rich and Colin's entire goal here is to start arguments.
Who started it? Still typical of America, start a fight and then blame others:rolleyes:

...Hollywood would have to re-write the script to show the usn as the heroes in order for Americans to go and view the film...Yes, we know Americans prefer fiction to fact...I've given you the facts, Americans won't watch a film based on the truth unless it paints Americans as the heroes, in fact it has to re-write or ignore the facts to do so. What are you having a problem understanding?hmmm...at least 4 instances (in a single page, no less) which clearly demonstrate your practically limitless ability for showy displays of your own obtuseness.

would someone kick the record player...it's skipping again:rolleyes:

Ha. Only 6 posts and you've already caught on. ;)

Most of us around here don't pay too much attention to them.:p

Ditto...;)

I think it has become clear to me that Rich and Colin's entire goal here is to start arguments.
wrong - pointing out facts that are then chosen to be ignored because they are too near the truth is not starting arguments

They are aggressive, argumentative, and frequently use distraction and diversion
promoting healthy discussion is always good

When they do answer questions, it is ALWAYS accompanied with a cheap shot of some kind that has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic. the word "always" here is debatable, again typical paranoid Yank always thinking people are out to get them - nice that you fit into the stereotype

Quick note to UK posters: You post something, its your job to back it up. teaching,eggs,grandmother,suck, etc etc

Also, Colin was the first to offer a veiled threats. Colin, did you seriously threaten me over the internet?
Don't know - did I? what was it you just said - you post something, its your job to back it up

That's so cute. you're not the first to say that

You have to admit, American posters...its been fun watching them scramble on the defense for a few days, eh? if thats you're best attack then its no wonder the USA always bails out of a war they're losing

Col

Quick note to UK posters: You post something, its your job to back it up.

Well well well lets tar everbody with the same brush shall we.
Stay around for a while, say 6 months, and then start criticizing from a base of knowledge, or is that too much to ask.

Brian

I always see Colin and Rich as those grumpy old relatives you see a couple of times a year at family gatherings. They just blather on about the same old stuff (the government's taking my money, kids these days, etc) and you just pat them on the head because they don't know any better.

I'm really not sure how far off the truth that is... :p

I always see Colin and Rich as those grumpy old relatives you see a couple of times a year at family gatherings. They just blather on about the same old stuff (the government's taking my money, kids these days, etc) and you just pat them on the head because they don't know any better.

I'm really not sure how far off the truth that is... :p funny you should say that...thread (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=519090&postcount=11)

Brian, while I think you're right in one respect, and I'm sure it's not how Worley meant it, I must admit that from my point of view it seemed he was ironically returning some of Rich's broad brush strokes. A case of 'Cooler-Karma if you will.;)

I always see Colin and Rich as those grumpy old relatives you see a couple of times a year at family gatherings. They just blather on about the same old stuff (the government's taking my money, kids these days, etc) and you just pat them on the head because they don't know any better.

I'm really not sure how far off the truth that is... :p


Blather - Good word and a good fit for a lot of Col & Rich's post;)

blather

–noun 1. foolish, voluble talk: His speech was full of the most amazing blather.
–verb (used without object), verb (used with object) 2. to talk or utter foolishly; blither; babble: The poor thing blathered for hours about the intricacies of his psyche.

And yes, as Brian points out, please don't propose our other UK friends around here are like Col and Rich.

Brian, while I think you're right in one respect, and I'm sure it's not how Worley meant it, I must admit that from my point of view it seemed he was ironically returning some of Rich's broad brush strokes. A case of 'Cooler-Karma if you will.;)

You may be right, but having read through his posts he did come out all guns blazing from post 1, mind you he did say he had read 200 of Rich's posts at 1 sitting, I'm surprised the men in the white coats weren't called.:D

Brian

funny you should say that...thread (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=519090&postcount=11)

I must have missed that post -- great minds think alike, I guess. :D

And Ken no need to worry about me painting all UKers with a large brush -- most here are quite astute, with just a few obvious exceptions.

You may be right, but having read through his posts he did come out all guns blazing from post 1, mind you he did say he had read 200 of Rich's posts at 1 sitting, I'm surprised the men in the white coats weren't called.:D

Brian

For sure... After all, if you've read one, you've pretty much read all 14K of them...:p

mind you he did say he had read 200 of Rich's posts at 1 sitting...

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On the rare occasion they're not trying to pick a fight or bash the USA, they have some interesting things to say...
Yeah like pointing out that America puts a century's out of date scrap of paper higher on the list than their children, makes you wonder why the likes of Charlie the five minute wonder boy resort to slinging insults instead of getting a grip on the problem and himself of course

For sure... After all, if you've read one, you've pretty much read all 14K of them...:p
Just like going to church where the same message is repeated over and over eh?:rolleyes:

hmmm...at least 4 instances (in a single page, no less) which clearly demonstrate your practically limitless ability for showy displays of your own obtuseness.

As they say, the truth hurts:rolleyes:

Yeah like pointing out that America puts a century's out of date scrap of paper higher on the list than their children, makes you wonder why the likes of Charlie the five minute wonder boy resort to slinging insults instead of getting a grip on the problem and himself of course


We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

Definitely out of date.

Define welfare

I always see Colin and Rich as those grumpy old relatives you see a couple of times a year at family gatherings. They just blather on about the same old stuff (the government's taking my money, kids these days, etc) and you just pat them on the head because they don't know any better.

I'm really not sure how far off the truth that is... :p
You mean like the grumpy old farts America chose to lead their country?:rolleyes:

First I want to apologize to any UK posters (except Colin and her wife Rich, oops, I mean fellow countryman) that read the helpful hint (the one about it being your job to back up your own posts). I meant that directed to Rich and Colin, who seem to think they can call anything they want fact, and not have to back it up. Afterwards, I would like to say thank you Colin and Rich (you guys are always together) for posting about 5 times each since my last post, and somehow avoiding saying anything that has a thing to do with the current topic, and instead, taking cheap shots (again) and trying to start arguments about religion in the US. Guess what Rich, did you know that a higher % of UK are christian (88%) than in the US(85%)? The US has more # wise, but that is because we have a larger population. http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_christian.html

You silly children keep impressing me with your sheer blockheaded closeminded comments. Keep it up, I love starting the day with a good laugh, reading your posts, and picturing you angrily chopping keys on your keyboard while you act they way you claim our government is. Have a nice day. Talk to you tomorrow! :D

If we can make your day a happy one, then we're happy to oblige;)

Always glad to help our American colleagues.

Maybe tomorrow you can read some of our posts that have factual back-up, or would that spoil your day?

Col

"From 1993-2000, the U.S. was the leading supplier of conventional arms to the developing world, with sales of USD 61.5 billion. In 1999, the U.S. manufactured over four million firearms for domestic sale or export.

More than 300 U.S. companies produce arms and/or ammunition, and the country is estimated to have one of the world’s largest domestic markets for small arms. An estimated 34% of the nation’s 280 million citizens own personal firearms, and there are thought to be over 200 million firearms in private hands.

Private gun ownership is generally not subject to either licensing or registration. The private resale of guns is largely unregulated in the United States, making it difficult to prevent their acquisition by youth, criminals, and other prohibited individuals.

Guns are a significant cause of death among U.S. citizens, especially urban minorities and youth. Firearm homicide and suicide rates are the highest in the developed world. The majority of domestic gun violence is attributable to handguns."

Try doing some research for yourself instead of trying to dodge the issue with silly diversions:rolleyes:

You realize, I am sure, that those statistics start over 13 years ago? lol. That means Colin was only 2 years old. (I was going to say "and still in diapers", but I dont want to offend if that stage isnt over yet, I get the feeling Colin's clock is a little slow, but don't tell her I said that, you know how she gets.)

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_vic-crime-total-victims

Nice crime rate % there, Mr. Clean. By the way, this isnt over a decade old.

Colin, I did a search on "Posts by Colin and Rich with factual backup" and the search results were nonexistant. Please send links to said posts. I am sure you remember them easily, considering there are most likely very few. (I really did look):(

Rich, what are you talking about diversions? lol, I bring up % rates on Christians in our two countries because of the ramdom comment to made to start an argument (Rich posted: "Just like going to church where the same message is repeated over and over eh?"), and you come back with arms stats from some survey (without a link) that started 13 years ago and is at best almost 7 years old? By the way, its probably true, although I think most of those were left here when the Brits dropped them and scrambled out of the US after the revolutionary war. They still smell like crumpets. Jeez, see what you do to me? Now I am taking cheap shots too, lol. I retract that statement. Backspace button is broken, or I would remove it....thats a joke, Colin, with an undercurrent. (poor kid, you gotta help her keep up if your going to go fast) On a happier note, I would love to visit the UK sometime, and was wondering if I could crash on your couch?

Colin, I did a search on "Posts by Colin and Rich with factual backup" and the search results were nonexistant. Please send links to said posts.
You are a sad person.:rolleyes:

On a happier note, I would love to visit the UK sometime, and was wondering if I could crash on your couch?
for a fee, you can - we don't do charity:rolleyes:

Col

You mean like the grumpy old farts America chose to lead their country?:rolleyes:

*Pats Rich on the head*

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_vic-crime-total-victims

Nice crime rate % there, Mr. Clean. By the way, this isnt over a decade old.



Stop trying to split hairs, we're talking about gun deaths not crime in general, the vast majority of which here does not cause death

As for your attempt to whitewash my church quip
"ENGLAND: DECLINE IN CHURCH MEMBERSHIP

(CT) Church attendance in the Church of England has dropped. The latest
statistics which are based on 1995 figures show that the average total
Sunday attendance for the Church of England was 1,045,000 in 1995."

and it's in rapid decline, now what was your point again?


that started 13 years ago and is at best almost 7 years old?


Look up the latest statistics, they're even worse

*Pats Rich on the head*
Kicks the kid in the nuts to teach him respect for his elders:cool:

while you act they way you claim our government is.
Sorry but could you decipher that for me :confused:

According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, there were about 215 million privately owned guns in 1999. The NRA estimates that half of all American households (total US population is 294 million) have at least one gun owner.


:rolleyes:

Kicks the kid in the nuts to teach him respect for his elders:cool::eek:

Such violent thoughts and tendencies from a professed peacenik such as yourself. That'll not win any converts to your quest for peace...

There are times when mild chastisement is benificial especially when I could have taken the American route and blown his head off

There are times when mild chastisement is benificial especially when I could have taken the American route and blown his head off

Wow Rich, Is that what we do?

...Kicks the kid in the nuts ...mild chastisement is benificial ..and you think Americans are extreme?:eek:

What's the difference between me and the US thinking it's the law of the World?:rolleyes:
OK, so what is YOUR definition of US?
Maybe that is the problem, what you are calling the US and what the US really is...

I say that because I don't think the US is the "law of the world." :confused:

I say that because I don't think the US is the "law of the world." :confused:
It carries on as if it is:mad:

Wow Rich, Is that what we do?
Do I need to post the stats yet again?

"I struggled to adapt to England and so did my family. I do not even want to think about going back."

The 23-year-old added: "Everything in England is shut at 5pm, there is nothing to do, nowhere to go. I just got bored."

ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6110244.stm)

:D

"I struggled to adapt to England and so did my family. I do not even want to think about going back."

The 23-year-old added: "Everything in England is shut at 5pm, there is nothing to do, nowhere to go. I just got bored."

ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6110244.stm)

:D
You forgot the rest of the story:rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/5290366.stm

I just read "the rest of the story", and there is nothing benificial in the entire story to your side of the argument, Rich. What are you talking about?

I just read "the rest of the story", and there is nothing benificial in the entire story to your side of the argument, Rich. What are you talking about?
We swapped a no hoper for a Brazillian who was longing to come here


Warley, Boddi, Danny, Jenny & Kenny, sitting in denial

Sorry but could you decipher that for me :confused:

(Talking about my comment on Rich acting like he claims our government is)

I know I have posted this at least twice. I have ten posts now. You forget so easily? You are always the first to start a conflict, you are irrational, argumentitive, and quick to divert attention away from questions you dont want to comment on. You make many claims to speak fact, yet never (or rarely) back up your information, and expect others to accept what you tell them. Did I miss anything? Oh yes, you are also very stubborn, and would never admit your wrong, even if cornered, and I could never imagine you apoligizing for anything. (please, shock me).

Church attendance has less to do with believers than you would like to think. I have been a Christian my whole life, and have only been going to church actively within the past 6 months.
(CT) Church attendance in the Church of England has dropped. The latest
statistics which are based on 1995 figures show that the average total
Sunday attendance for the Church of England was 1,045,000 in 1995."

and it's in rapid decline, now what was your point again?

My point is, if you can claim that as a counter argument, then "Violent crime rate in America continues steep decline-USA Today". Pretty soon there will be no murders in the USA, and no christians in the UK. I'll be happy here, and you will be happy there. yay!

Colin, I am actually very happy, and not a sad person at all. In fact, since I found this forum, I have been almost constantly amused, and (aside from the day I spent reading up on Rich, maybe) have been in a great mood, thanks to you. You know how we Americans are, we love it when people can't fight back effectively. Also, how much are you talking about charging for couch rent? I tell all my friends about you. You would almost think I am fond of you guys, lol.

Rich posted "We swapped a no hoper for a Brazillian who was longing to come here Warley, Boddi, Danny, Jenny & Kenny, sitting in denial"

Oh, I just actually got interested in soccer during the world cup, so I don't know all the names, and just enough about the sport to watch and not ask stupid questions lol. Ever been to a hockey game? The are worse than Golf to watch on TV, but they are great fun to go to.

Worley,

You must eat jalipenos for breakfast to stomach 200 of Rich's rantings in one sitting.

"I struggled to adapt to England and so did my family. I do not even want to think about going back."

The 23-year-old added: "Everything in England is shut at 5pm, there is nothing to do, nowhere to go. I just got bored."

ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6110244.stm)

:D
Ok Dan - you may be surprised, but compared to Spain the UK does "close" at 5pm!!!!

Col

We swapped a no hoper for a Brazillian who was longing to come here


Warley, Boddi, Danny, Jenny & Kenny, sitting in denial

Being a gooner IS sitting in denial :p

Ok Dan - you may be surprised, but compared to Spain the UK does "close" at 5pm!!!!

Col

You are more an expert on Spain than I and being younger perhaps on England too, but I got the impression that Spain closed from 2:00pm till 9:00 pm, Liverpool does not close at 5:00 pm, although it might cool down for a while, at least that's my impression.

Brian

You are more an expert on Spain than I and being younger perhaps on England too, but I got the impression that Spain closed from 2:00pm till 9:00 pm, Liverpool does not close at 5:00 pm, although it might cool down for a while, at least that's my impression.

Brian

It seams like London should stay open.

It seams like London should stay open.

It does. I lived there for the best part of five years and, unless it's changed dramatically since I left, many of the better places didn't get going until after midnight.

The same goes for any of the cities I frequented in my younger days (not too long ago, mind).

It may well be different in different areas? :confused:

It seams like London should stay open.I was watching a movie the other day (before you start, yes, it was a British movie) and in one scene, there was a romantic momement on the street, in London, during what I perceived as late evening (9:00 or so) and the lovebirds were completely alone. No one else in sight. I thought, surely not...I can't imagine finding anywhere deserted at 9PM on a NY street...or Pittsburgh, or Philly. You Brits really roll up the sidewalks that early?

I was watching a movie the other day (before you start, yes, it was a British movie) and in one scene, there was a romantic momement on the street, in London, during what I perceived as late evening (9:00 or so) and the lovebirds were completely alone. No one else in sight. I thought, surely not...I can't imagine finding anywhere deserted at 9PM on a NY street...or Pittsburgh, or Philly. You Brits really roll up the sidewalks that early?



Ah, but in keeping with the fine tradition brought to us by some of our British Friends, one could rightly surmise that London shuts down like any other small town.

Ah, but in keeping with the fine tradition brought to us by some of our British Friends, one could rightly surmise that London shuts down like any other small town.so I not only wanted an answer to a curiosity, but loaded the question for our favorite sparring partner ;)

I'd still be interested in the answer, though

I'd still be interested in the answer, though
Then be quiet and pay attention!
I remember my first visit to London in my youth, there were more people on the streets of Soho at 2am than in my home city on a Saturday afternoon.
London does not shut at 5pm

Ever been to a hockey game? The are worse than Golf to watch on TV, but they are great fun to go to.
Holy sh*t Batman, I have to agree with you:eek:
yes I've been to a few ice hockey matches in Canada and can still remember freezing my ba**ls off sitting in a shed on the outskirts of Edmonton enjoying the punch ups

I'd still be interested in the answer, though

The posting three before yours.

. You Brits really roll up the sidewalks that early?

At 65 I am not the best placed to talk about night life in the city but on the occasions that I visit Liverpool in the evenings I find it overcrowded with youngsters ie people under 30;) , infact it is so busy that we rarely eat in the city preferring to eat locally , but then we can walk to 14 restaraunts of varying types of cuisine. :cool:
I was still working last year and the girls in the office would occasionally drag me out for a drink after work but I hate standing to drink because of the crowds, don't you?

brian

The posting three before yours.geez, batting 1.000 today:eek: Was trying to imply a dual purpose for the post...not only as a tactic, but as a curiosity as well.

Thanks to all answers, even Rich was helpful in his own twisted fashion:D

I'm going on vacation:)

I'm going on vacation:)
Have a holiday in the UK instead, you'll be more enlightened:cool:

Have a holiday in the UK instead, you'll be more enlightened:cool:No thanks...Cancun and Riviera Maya will do just fine:D

No thanks...Cancun and Riviera Maya will do just fine:D
You see that's the problem with Americans, they never venture overseas to see how the World actually is

You see that's the problem with Americans, they never venture overseas to see how the World actually is

You're right. I'm sure no Americans have ever been overseas.

Rich
I didn't realise Cancun was in the USA:rolleyes:

Brian

Rich
I didn't realise Cancun was in the USA:rolleyes:

Brian
You see that's the problem with Americans, they never venture overseas to see how the World actually is

So one has to cross a sea to travel meaningfully, hmm, A French man going to China by travelling East has not gone overseas, however if he goes via the US then its OK , Life could get very complicated, perhaps the US citizens could loop out over the Carribean to get to Cancun.
:confused: :rolleyes: ;)
Brian

So one has to cross a sea to travel meaningfully, hmm, A French man going to China by travelling East has not gone overseas, however if he goes via the US then its OK , Life could get very complicated, perhaps the US citizens could loop out over the Carribean to get to Cancun.
:confused: :rolleyes: ;)
Brian
It's how the US defines the term overseas Brian, not me:rolleyes:

Rich
I didn't realise Cancun was in the USA:rolleyes:

Brian
Technically, depending on your orgininating flight and flight path, you may have to fly over a bunch of water to get there, and that might qualify for "overseas" (gulf of Mexico).
And also technically since you have fly over an ocean to get to the U.K. (from the U.S.) and that would be OverOcean, than the U.K. is not Over Seas :p

Does The Atlantic and The English Channel count as two seas?:confused:

Does The Atlantic and The English Channel count as two seas?:confused:
isn't that perfume? Channel?

isn't that perfume? Channel?
It depends on which way the wind is blowing

You're right. I'm sure no Americans have ever been overseas.
Maybe the odd one or two, as a nation, definitely not

You are always the first to start a conflict, .
No I'm not

you are irrational, argumentitive, and quick to divert attention away from questions you dont want to comment on.
Remind me again who's arguing?

and would never admit your wrong, even if cornered, and I could never imagine you apoligizing for anything. (please, shock me).


Like an American republican you mean, but then I'm not the one who started a war for oil, am I?:rolleyes:

and have only been going to church actively within the past 6 months.


Well don't tell god then, he demands you go and worship him relentlessly

My point is, if you can claim that as a counter argument, then "Violent crime rate in America continues steep decline-USA Today". Pretty soon there will be no murders in the USA, and no christians in the UK. I'll be happy here, and you will be happy there. yay!

Gun crime is not on the decline in the US

You know how we Americans are, we love it when people can't fight back effectively.
First true word you've uttered since joining the forum, you'll get Brownie points for that