Just let me know if everyone is in and when we start.;)

Now would be nice.

how about we just let our kids be kidnapped, stabbed repeatedly, and set on fire, while still alive, to die in a puddle of mud. Yeah I know that was in Scotland, but things like this happen all over the world, not just the United States

how about we just let our kids be kidnapped, stabbed repeatedly, and set on fire, while still alive, to die in a puddle of mud. Yeah I know that was in Scotland, but things like this happen all over the world, not just the United States
Depends on the frequency though doesn't and at least one tries to protect one's loved ones, here

Depends on the frequency though doesn't and at least one tries to protect one's loved ones, here


Dear Rich:)

Even Australia's nutty people from "gun control" have conceded that different countries can't really be compared.

You should compare deaths/injury in places like New York and Chicago to other places in America where gun ownership is virtually compulsory.

Just recently our Dept of Criminolgy has released its report on our gun laws which were introduced in 1996. The report has completely blown the gun control groups out of the water.

Mike

Dear Rich:)

Even Australia's nutty people from "gun control" have conceded that different countries can't really be compared.

You should compare deaths/injury in places like New York and Chicago to other places in America where gun ownership is virtually compulsory.

Just recently our Dept of Criminolgy has released its report on our gun laws which were introduced in 1996. The report has completely blown the gun control groups out of the water.

Mike
Last I heard New York and Chicago were the gun crime capitals of the world, are you saying it gets worse?

I'm all for ignoring non-productive posts from anyone.

I started this afternoon.

I've been on a sabbatical from these forums for a while, and I come back and get a headache on the first day!

Unfortunately, I'm just as guilty - I should know better than to even open the posts I know are going to be flamable :p

New York has the tight gun laws in America:D

Been that way since about 1968.

You may not be aware of this but gun ownership is very high in a lot of European countries. However, gun ownership in Europe is a lot more of an up market activity than is the case in America or Australia.

When there is a shooting in Australia or a knifing etc you will invariably hear on the radio something like......he is of Middle Easter appearance or he is of Asian appearance. In addition such people are virtually always from very low socio economic groups and the unemployment rate can be 25% to 30%

Of course one of the reasons that gun laws made no differenc in Australia was because the gun laws had no impact of the offenders and potentual offenders, that is, the Arabs and Asians. A joke in 1996 was....where is the only place in Sydney that is an Arab/Asian free zone...answer....a gun hand in line.

Mike

New York has the tight gun laws in America:D

Been that way since about 1968.

Mike
It's being challenged by the pro gun lobby and is innefective since the gun fraternity just pop over to the next state and pick one up.
Oh and you're making racist remarks again:rolleyes:

What was racist?

I am not the person who makes the announcement in the radio news.

A you saying that police should not describe the person as Middle East or Asian appearance. If so, then that should also mean if the suspect is very short or extremely tall then that should not be mentioned. Can they be indentified as male or female?

Are you saying that we should pretend that the Arab/Asian suburbs have an unemployment rate like the national avererage of about 5%?

Unfortunately, I'm just as guilty - I should know better than to even open the posts I know are going to be flamable :p

I know, but it's hard to find any that aren't. :D

I know, but it's hard to find any that aren't. :D
Here's one
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=117526
there are about 90,000 more:cool:

Here's one
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=117526
there are about 90,000 more:cool:

Thanks for the tip. :rolleyes: :p

I'm all for ignoring non-productive posts from anyone.

I've got a better idea...let's return fire with some comedy...:D

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/232/d82/232d8217-7a3b-47e4-89e5-083b072c96e9.medium

"I fart in your general direction!" :p

When there is a shooting in Australia or a knifing etc you will invariably hear on the radio something like......he is of Middle Easter appearance or he is of Asian appearance.
Not all the time. Often its "...member of <name> motorcycle gang" or "...suspected to be gang related"
And what about the spate of underworld killings in Melbourne a while back?
They were all white on both sides of the gun, from memory.

And the rampage that prompted the gun law reforms, was a white guy too.
Had mental problems, schizophrenia or something?

But if.....suspected to be gang related...then how often is that Arab and especially in Sydney?

But whether it is Arab/Asian or "white man" I would bet that 99% will come from people in lower socio economic groups.

Mike

Missed this one

And the rampage that prompted the gun law reforms, was a white guy too.
Had mental problems, schizophrenia or something?

He fits lower socio economic group.

Actually, the two biggest massacres after Port Arthur were the fellow that set fire to the night club and the other was the bloke who had the domestic with his wife (Alice Springs??) so went outside and then drove his semi trailer right through the motel and killed 13. Pity for all the others that he did not have a gun and just killed himself and missus.

Mike

Missed this one

And the rampage that prompted the gun law reforms, was a white guy too.
Had mental problems, schizophrenia or something?

He fits lower socio economic group.

Actually, the two biggest massacres after Port Arthur were the fellow that set fire to the night club and the other was the bloke who had the domestic with his wife (Alice Springs??) so went outside and then drove his semi trailer right through the motel and killed 13. Pity for all the others that he did not have a gun and just killed himself and missus.

Mike

Garth Brooks made a song about that.

I would bet that 99% will come from people in lower socio economic groups.
well yeah... that's where most of the violent crimes come from.
Higher socioeconomic groups tend to just steal, embezzle, and defraud :rolleyes:
(or murder in more... imaginative... ways)

Yes let's all dance around the maypole and sing the praises of the US and how great they are and how we should all be forever grateful to them and not give a toss when yet another one of their children is gunned down by an idiot with a gun simply because it's written on some old scrap of paper that they can:rolleyes:

See Rich, this could be stated in a not so controversial method, more along the lines of:
Well everyone may not agree with the USA's position on this. It does seem there is a problem with your school killings, and you don't seem to have any resolution.

So you are trying to be controversial, not generate good conversation. And you keep throwing that "old scrap of paper" up even thou it has no real meaning in your context.

See Rich, this could be stated in a not so controversial method, more along the lines of:
Well everyone may not agree with the USA's position on this. It does seem there is a problem with your school killings, and you don't seem to have any resolution.

So you are trying to be controversial, not generate good conversation. And you keep throwing that "old scrap of paper" up even thou it has no real meaning in your context.

Dang FOFA you are the official spokesman of the day.

See Rich, this could be stated in a not so controversial method, more along the lines of:
Well everyone may not agree with the USA's position on this. It does seem there is a problem with your school killings, and you don't seem to have any resolution.
.
We have tried that approach here before, would you like a list of the American posters who responded with venom;)

We have tried that approach here before, would you like a list of the American posters who responded with venom;)
Two wrongs do not make a right. :p
So your response I must admit does sound a tad childish (really not name calling, just pointing out how it sounds).
But he said blaa blaa, she called me a .... THEY started it....

Two wrongs do not make a right. :p
...
That's not a common phrase in American culture though, is it?:p

So your response I must admit does sound a tad childish (really not name calling, just pointing out how it sounds).
But he said blaa blaa, she called me a .... THEY started it.

That maybe true but sometimes one has to fight fire with fire:cool:

That's not a common phrase in American culture though, is it?:p
Oh, of course not, I just made that up :rolleyes:


That maybe true but sometimes one has to fight fire with fire:cool:
Lets think about that for a second. A controlled fire is started in front of an out of control fire. This creates a fire break causing the uncontrolled fire to be extinguished and the controlled fire the same (basically), bringing an end to whole thing.
But Rich, you are more like the energizer bunny, keeps going, and going and.... :p

Oh, of course not, I just made that up :rolleyes:



No, you just borrowed a European phrase, that's ok though, just as long as you give credit to the original users:cool: :p


Lets think about that for a second. A controlled fire is started in front of an out of control fire. This creates a fire break causing the uncontrolled fire to be extinguished and the controlled fire the same (basically), bringing an end to whole thing.
But Rich, you are more like the energizer bunny, keeps going, and going and.... :p

You don't think child protection worth fighting for continuously?:confused:

You don't think child protection worth fighting for continuously?:confused:
And where did I say that (to quote one of Rich's favorite saying)?

And where did I say that (to quote one of Rich's favorite saying)?

You forgot to roll your eyes.

And where did I say that (to quote one of Rich's favorite saying)?
But Rich, you are more like the energizer bunny, keeps going, and going and....
oops, forgets to roll eyes or stick out tongue

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_vic-crime-assault-victims

World assualt country rankings. Note the locations of UK and USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur_percap-crime-burglaries-per-capita

World burglery country rankings.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the_percap-crime-car-thefts-per-capita

World car theft country rankings.

In fact...total crime: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita

The US sure isnt perfect, but,as you can see, the UK is plagued with many of the same problems as the US, and on pretty much every level but gun violence, on a substantially worse scale than the US. Sorry if I have been unneccessarily aggrivating Rich and Colin. I apologise. Also..Rich, I seriously would be interested in seeing some links to threads where you said you have tried a not so controversial method of approach. I have read many of your posts, and I found almost all (non Access related posts) blatantly inflammatory. I would like to see a little of your less-argumentitive side. :P

Also..Rich, I seriously would be interested in seeing some links to threads where you said you have tried a not so controversial method of approach. I have read many of your posts, and I found almost all (non Access related posts) blatantly inflammatory. I would like to see a little of your less-argumentitive side. :P


Good Luck with this one. Even his own countrymen have more or less given up hope of reform.

Col at least has motives separate from simply being nasty and irresponsible with his intellect.


I’ve been trying to tell him that’s it’s a sin to squander an obviously well developed mind on an irrational pursuit. But alas he staunchly ignores my warnings.

Nearly every posting Rich makes has these in it.....:rolleyes: or....:confused:

Must be energy draining to be such a prolific poster in an environment he obviously finds not his liking.

Mike

Nearly every posting Rich makes has these in it.....:rolleyes: or....:confused:

Must be energy draining to be such a prolific poster in an environment he obviously finds not his liking.

Mike A lecture from the guy who drove Pat Hartman to swear on the forum, I don't think so

Good Luck with this one. Even his own countrymen have more or less given up hope of reform.

.
Yeah, look at the success of American reforms around the world today, you guys just don't like being challenged, do ya, but then maybe that's your problem

Also..Rich, I seriously would be interested in seeing some links to threads where you said you have tried a not so controversial method of approach. I have read many of your posts, and I found almost all (non Access related posts) blatantly inflammatory. I would like to see a little of your less-argumentitive side. :P
You'll have to look for the 10k missing posts on the net yourself I don't have the time at the minute
As the saying goes, seek and I'm sure you'll find
Oh and it's gun crime this thread is related to by the way and as such trying to sidestep the issue is rather pointless, don't you agree?

Here you go, something for you to read,you'll have to translate it for Jenny, he can't understand plain English

"America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)
The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
America and Gun Violence

Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
"

You are still making the same mistake of trying to compare different countries.

Australia's Criminology Dept has reported that Australia's 1996 gun laws made no difference.....except for one difference, armed crime with handguns increased:D Even our liberal neaspapers and TV reluctantly had to publish the report.

I guess the very stingent gun control is why countries in Africa are so safe to walk about of a night time:D

You are still making the same mistake of trying to compare different countries.


You make the same mistakes as the American posters here, I'm not comparing anything

But you are "comparing" because you put forward numbers that you believe are bad and the numbers are to support your belief. As is the case with all gun control nutters you either choose to ignore or perhaps you are unaware of many other factors that come into the equation and many, probably most of these factors are a product of the country itself. Thus, as in the case with Australia gun control only increases the amount of money the gov't wastes and in turn increases hospital waiting lists.

Based on what you say (hopefully for your sake you do not actually believe what you say) then Switzerland should be an ongoing blood bath.

Mike

I'll tell you again since you can't seem to read, the figures etc. are not mine, however the statistics show quite cleary that there is no gun control in America

I realise the figures are not yours but you chose them to illustrate your point of view.

however the statistics show quite cleary that there is no gun control in America

Agree. However, that was the basic situation in Australia prior to 1996.. Since that situation was changed why has the Criminolgy Dept report/analysis after 10 years showed it was a waste of time and a big waste of money. The bottom line is that the health of the nation went down for two simple reasons:

1) No changes from the gun laws EXCEPT the increase in hadngun use....which are very tightly controlled.

2) A very large diversion of tax payer funds away from hospitals etc. Probably all up with the "buy back" an dongoing adminsistration close to 1 billion dollars for thegun laws, which ios a very large amount for the small Australia ecomony.

I must assume that like the official gun control advocates that your interest is very tight gun laws and then leading to no private owership of firearms EVEN if such an outcome produces a result which is a negative for community health.

By the way, if your views are based on an idealogy irrespective of the outcome then I can accept that.....as long as you put that view upfront.

As as a side note to support the.....if it saves one life it is worth it...

Also, do think only the military and police should be allowed to legally own firearms. If you do then you will have some interesting bedfellows.

Mike

It was probably a waste of time because
A/ there are few of you and
B/ Gun crime was already rare
as far as the police goes you might have noticed but the vast majority here are unarmed

Oh and it's gun crime this thread is related to by the way and as such trying to sidestep the issue is rather pointless, don't you agree?
Holy Crap batman. I have to clean up my desk now. I read that and coffee came out my nose I was laughing so hard. RICH is trying to get a thread BACK ON TRACK! :confused:
Un-Freaking-Believable
:D

Oh and Rich, just for you
:rolleyes: :eek: :p

I read that and coffee came out my nose
How odd - what happens when you have a cold then? cappuccino? frothy latte?

You're gonna need a bigger Kleenex;)

Col

Hey Col, is that your ride in your avatar? What is it, I can't tell from the avatar size?

Almost, mine is the same but I couldn't get it in an avatar. The only difference is mine has white spotlights not blue.

Its a Honda Pan European ST1100 - ex London Metropolitan police.

Col

Here's a pic of mine

Sweet, looks like a nice touring machine.

Sweet, looks like a nice touring machine.
Yes, I'm hoping to get down to Spain on it next year. I've done some little trips on it across the UK - its fine.

There's some debate always as to whether the BMW K1200RT is better then the Honda.

Personally I'm for the Honda, my mate swears by his BMW - I have another mate who has just bought the new Moto Guzzi Norge (its like a big BMW) - who knows, as long as you enjoy it, thats the main thing.

(shouldn't this discussion be in the motorcycle thread?:o )

Col

Yes, I'm hoping to get down to Spain on it next year. I've done some little trips on it across the UK - its fine.

There's some debate always as to whether the BMW K1200RT is better then the Honda.

Personally I'm for the Honda, my mate swears by his BMW - I have another mate who has just bought the new Moto Guzzi Norge (its like a big BMW) - who knows, as long as you enjoy it, thats the main thing.

(shouldn't this discussion be in the motorcycle thread?:o )

Col

I'b be willing to bet the Hondas are more reliable.

In the US Honda engines in almost every application are the mose reliable.

coffee came out my nose
Is that one of those wierd things Americans do?:confused:

You'll have to look for the 10k missing posts on the net yourself I don't have the time at the minute
As the saying goes, seek and I'm sure you'll find
Wow..Has it really been over 4,600 posts since you have made a non inflammatory comment? You could get ulcers living that way.
Here you go, something for you to read.

Please stop cutting and pasting, and just post the links. Half the things you paste related to American gun violence were musket crimes, they were so long ago. haha, I made myself laugh with that one. Almost as hard as I laughed when I read your comment about sidestepping. I was somehow reminded about a kettle and a pot....
Also, I noticed you have calmed down a little bit, and have actually posted a few comments without cheap shots. I was going to make a comment about turning off your computer when you are AFK to keep people from giving you a good name...but instead I will just say thank you, and in turn I will try to be (more) civil as well, lol.

I'm always civil:cool: as far as the musket quip goes that just further adds to the evidence that the US lives in the 18/19th century. The figures posted were circa twentieth century. Oh and if I posted the actual link you might have been too depressed at the figures, oops, I mean stats in American

I'm always civil:cool: as far as the musket quip goes that just further adds to the evidence that the US lives in the 18/19th century. The figures posted were circa twentieth century. Oh and if I posted the actual link you might have been too depressed at the figures, oops, I mean stats in American

Ill have you know I am well aware of the times we live in. I have to go churn some butter and raise a barn now, so I will talk to you later. I dont want to be out after dark because Indians will get me, and I hear they eat human livers... besides, the Pony Express is here with my mail.

raise a barn now,
That's bairn by the way, unless you're going to carry on an American tradition of burning down somebody's barn

That's bairn by the way, unless you're going to carry on an American tradition of burning down somebody's barn

What the hell are you talking about?

A barn is where you husband farm animals and store winter feed.

Rich may be pulling your leg on this one, playing off of "raise" vs. "raze".

Rich may be pulling your leg on this one, playing off of "raise" vs. "raze".

Well no one can accuse him of not being clever. Obtuse maybe, but he does possess a singular wit.

What the hell are you talking about?

A barn is where you husband farm animals and store winter feed.
So warley is going to raise a husband ?:confused:

So warley is going to raise a husband ?:confused:

Hopefully, if he has a son.

Hopefully, if he has a son.
He has a daughter, and he's bitten her head off, savages

He has a daughter, and he's bitten her head off, savages

You had a perfectly retarded reply, and then you edit it almost 12 hours later to make it even more nonsensical, lol. What are you...seriously..14? Can you make a non-cannibal based reply with at least a tinge of maturity? I know you said it has been over 4600 posts since you have tried a non-combative approach, but give it a try. Answer a question...and try to do it without a blanket profiling or random use of people's children as a form of cheap shot diversion. Goodness Rich, for once in your forum wasted life try to be productive. Turn off the computer, pick up a book. You might learn something about what life is really like. You might learn about time zones! Just because your really old doesnt mean you are intelligent, so dont take it for granted, or accept your self image without outside opinion from a non-family member or thirty. You keep me laughing. Do you really not know what the term "Raising a barn" means? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_raising

Keep trying to argue with me and you might learn something. After seeing your desperate state, I wouldnt even dream of charging you to tutor.
Pick up a book here: http://www.benjamins.com/cgi-bin/t_bookview.cgi?bookid=UPAL%2029 , then get Colin to read it to you nice and slow when you guys go to bed tonight, and have a thesaurus nearby. Ill private message you some test questions so we can gauge where you are at, and what we have to work with. I hope your just playing dumb, because you are completely ridiculous. Oh, I have not eaten my daughters head, or snapped at her. I told you before, though you must have forgotten (some people handle old age better than others)...your rambling has had no negitive effect on my moods, and no daughters were harmed in the reading of them. You are also a bad influence...you post like a 14 year old, and it makes me forget I was being nicer for once. Oh well, have a nice day! Really!

Do you really not know what the term "Raising a barn" means? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_raising
Why would we know that? Its not a phrase used at all (as far as I know) in the UK. We (unlike the Yanks) mostly live in towns or cities where we have no need for a barn. We're lucky if we get a garage these days.:rolleyes:

Here's a question that puzzles me.

On a quiz show yesterday, it asked how much was "2 bits" worth in the USA - the answer was 25c. (the contestant said 10c)

So how much is "one bit"? do you have a 12.5c coin?

Do you have 1 bit, 2 bits, 3 bits 4 bits etc etc?:confused:

Col

Answer a question...and try to do it without a blanket profiling or random use of people's children as a form of cheap shot diversion. Goodness Rich
Remind me again who it was told us that he was snapping at his two year old?

Keep trying to argue with me and you might learn something.

I've no wish to learn American thanks, save it for the poor folks back home

"Relative ranking of U.S. students on international assessments gauges U.S. students' performance against peers in other countries and economies. Among Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) nations participating in a recent assessment of how well 15-year-old students can use mathematics and science knowledge, U.S. students were at or near the bottom of the 29 OECD members participating"

Do you really not know what the term "Raising a barn" means? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_raising


Just confirms my thoughts that Americans still live in the 18th/19th century, I think you still hold dear to something scribbled on a scrap of paper from that era too, don't you?

Why would we know that? Its not a phrase used at all (as far as I know) in the UK. We (unlike the Yanks) mostly live in towns or cities where we have no need for a barn.


Col

More than 80% of Americans live in large cities.

If you need some points of argument, or if you just don’t want to look to silly, PM me first before you post any generalities about Americans, and I’ll make sure you get the facts straight.

Just confirms my thoughts that Americans still live in the 18th/19th century,
I got the impression from that link that you have to belong to some weird community or sect to "raise a barn"

Surely normal Americans don't do this weird act?

Col

More than 80% of Americans live in large cities.
.
Maybe that's your problem now then?:confused:

normal Americans
Col
Oxymoron surely?:confused:

If you need some points of argument, or if you just don’t want to look to silly, PM me first before you post any generalities about Americans, and I’ll make sure you get the facts straight.

get the facts straight?

as in the brainwashing you are told? or the actual truth the rest of the world knows?

Col

Oxymoron surely?:confused:
Now now:rolleyes: there must be some. . . . .somewhere surely

Col

get the facts straight?

as in the brainwashing you are told? or the actual truth the rest of the world knows?

Col

Colin, we have been over this many times, as you are well aware.

We also get news from around the world and from many different sources.

If you want enlightenment Col please tune your PC to

www.mpr.org
or
www.pri.org

Those are public Radio stations websites in America. They're much more balanced than your socialist propaganda machine (The BBC)

This is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people starting singing it
not knowing what it was,
and now they keep on singing it
forever just because
this is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people starting singing it
not knowing what it was,
and now they keep on singing it
forever just because
this is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people starting singing it
not knowing what it was,
and now they keep on singing it
forever just because...

This is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people starting singing it
not knowing what it was,
and now they keep on singing it
forever just because
this is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people starting singing it
not knowing what it was,
and now they keep on singing it
forever just because
this is the song that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people starting singing it
not knowing what it was,
and now they keep on singing it
forever just because...

Are you saying I shouldn't get sucked into his Dementia.

Those are public Radio stations websites in America. They're much more balanced than your socialist propaganda machine (The BBC)

The BBC is no more socialist than Bush

The BBC is no more socialist than Bush

So you're saying that they are as far right as him?

So you're saying that they are as far right as him?
socialism is generally regarded as left wing not right, don't you guys get taught anything of value in school?

socialism is generally regarded as left wing not right, don't you guys get taught anything of value in school?


Thank you Rich, You've left evidence for all to see

Thank you Rich, You've left evidence for all to see
You're babbling again, here have something to read to get back on topic

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061116/NEWS99/61116009/1003/NEWS

Are you saying I shouldn't get sucked into his Dementia.
Something like that.

I just like posting that little ditty whenever a thread degenerates into the same old broken record of a crapfest.

Here's a question that puzzles me.

On a quiz show yesterday, it asked how much was "2 bits" worth in the USA - the answer was 25c. (the contestant said 10c)

So how much is "one bit"? do you have a 12.5c coin?

Do you have 1 bit, 2 bits, 3 bits 4 bits etc etc?:confused:
Col
\I think they have it wrong, 1 Bit is 25 cents.
We have an OLD jingle that goes like this...
1 bit, Two bits, 3 bits a dollar something or other I can't remember
So it counting up to oa dollar by quarters (hence 25 cents).
So two bits is actually 50 cents.

Something like that.

I just like posting that little ditty whenever a thread degenerates into the same old broken record of a crapfest.

I keep hoping that if he is proven wrong enough times it will set in. But I could win the lotery as well.

\I think they have it wrong, 1 Bit is 25 cents.
We have an OLD jingle that goes like this...
1 bit, Two bits, 3 bits a dollar something or other I can't remember
So it counting up to oa dollar by quarters (hence 25 cents).
So two bits is actually 50 cents.

It's "2 bits, 4 bits, six bits, a dollar"

What kind of Texan are you anyway?

I keep hoping that if he is proven wrong enough times it will set in. But I could win the lotery as well.
Now you know how we feel

They're much more balanced than your socialist propaganda machine (The BBC)

Or your commi rag the New York Times

I keep hoping that if he is proven wrong enough times it will set in. But I could win the lotery as well....or die of old age

...or die of old age
Or he could fall back on the well tried "going in all guns blazing" American method

Or he could fall back on the well tried "going in all guns blazing" American method

You must really love those old ganster flicks.

You must really love those old ganster flicks.
Were they making a film at Waco?:confused:

Its official! I have finally figured Rich out! Here is what I have gathered...

Rich is a parrot...most likely born 1993-1995. The timeframe for his evidence in every argument is a decade+ in age.

-His vocabulary is limited, and consist of the same 2 topics exclusively:
Bashing Bush and bashing the US.
-Parrots repeat the same trained and conditioned phrases over and over, over and over, over and over, ect. I almost feel bad for asking him for links on his "Facts" (lol), because I can only imagine how hard it would be to cut and paste with a beak.
-He is obviously stuck in a cage somewhere near a computer desk, because 14600+ posts worth of repetition in his tailfeathers shows patience/boredom/loneliness no human could live with.
-Eyerolling and looks of confusion (head-tilting) are common parrot tools for communication, and because they are all the parrot knows...will be used with reckless abandon.
-Parrots crave/thrive on attention, and will use negitive behavior to fill that need...nuff said.
-They poop on everything, with no thought on how important it might be..like random "scraps" of paper preserved for a few hundred years.
-Parrots seem like an entertaining pet for a few weeks, but after awhile, when you realize they are offensively loud and shrieking at times,require the maintainance of a newborn, usually acting that same age (except with FAR fewer rewards).Thing is, newborns are cute... but with parrots you can sometimes find yourself wanting to start "accidentally" leaving the window open.

It is all starting to make sense. All he wants is a cracker and a pat on the head. Well, I am nothing if not accommodating! :pats Rich on the head: "That's right, your a noble little boy, arn't you?" :pulls out the saltines:

lol

It's official, Warley too lives in a state of denial and continues to believe in the American dream. You might do better to ask why there are no up to date figures for the latest gun crime statistics in your country, unless they were compilled by the same services that provided the evidence of WMD's in Iraq that is.
And America accused the Viets of brainwashing:rolleyes:

It's bad enough plowing through Rich's hijacks but now we have to put up with worley's childish posts . What on earth is :pats all about?

and why must his posts be filled with lol and similar nonsense, I suppose somebody has to laugh at his "jokes".

Brian

It's bad enough plowing through Rich's hijacks but now we have to put up with worley's childish posts . What on earth is all about?

and why must his posts be filled with lol and similar nonsense, I suppose somebody has to laugh at his "jokes".

Brian
I am suprised that you think posting on this thread with figures to support my claims are hijacks, or maybe you don't think the topic meritorious at all.

It was a general thread staement not a specific thread statement, you don't seem to realise that people now expect the worst as that's what they normally get, and thus any valid points made are ignored, but what's the use of saying anything it will just get a smart alec response

Well to paraphrase one of your quotes "who are the people that you now speak for"?

Well to paraphrase one of your quotes "who are the people that you now speak for"?

I don't believe I ever asked that, but if you mean that you don't believe that people expect the worst from you than you have not been reading peoples posts. I have defended you on occasions, recently from Worley's personal abuse, but in general, posters are fed up with your negative attitude, if you don't believe me run a poll.

Brian

if you don't believe me run a poll.

Brian
That's been tried here before, by an American oddly enough. Oh and by the way you tell me how one can be positive about Bush, Bliar, American gun deaths, Iraq etc. pray do tell me now

Sorry about that, lol. The emotes were supposed to say "Pats Richard on the head" and "Pulls out the saltines". Problem is, they both begin with the letter "p", so when I threw the : in front of P, I accidentally got :P. Yay for smilies. Also, I have just been trying to keep Rich's attention on me so everyone else can enjoy the forum while he is distracted. Rich, the guy was kind of defending you, lay off him, lol, jeeez. I think a poll is an overly destructive idea, its wouldnt prove anything to the one person it would be meant too, and I agree the thread has degenerated into nonsense. Blame me if you will, its prolly mostly my fault anyway, but I have tried to have a straight out discussion. I have been having fun, however. I will be nicer.

I don't know whay he's complaining about anyway, I've always laughed at your posts myself, I guess as one gets old one loses one's sense of humour.

I don't think he meant anything bad, really.

Also, Colin, the "two bits" question was a good one, and I had never looked it up until just now.
Two bits= $0.25. During the colonial days, people used coins from all over the world. The most commonly used coin was the Spanish milled dollar. The Spanish milled dollars were easily cut apart into equal "bits" of 8 pieces. One "bit" would be equal to 1/8 of a dollar, and 2 bits would equal 2/8 (or 1/4 - a quarter of a dollar). So, it is easy to see why the coins were called "pieces of eight", and "2 bits" was commonly used to refer to 25 cents.

Now I know!

Brian, you see how easy it is to argue, lol? Oh, and my "lol"s indicate things that are amusing to me. The word "nonsense" is generally considered to mean: "words or signs having no intelligible meaning", so just in case you didn't know, it means laugh out loud. As such, it is simply an indication that I personally laughed at a particular comment I have made, and is not intended as an indication or instruction of where the post reader should laugh along. I find life easier the more I laugh, and try to keep a hint of humor in anything I do. However, the fact that humor can easily take an abusive form is duly noted, and like I said, I will try to be nicer.

Quote=Col - How much is 2 bits worth? - "Who wants to be a millionnaire?" said it was 25c

I think they have it wrong, 1 Bit is 25 cents.
So two bits is actually 50 cents.
Its unlikely the TV quiz has got a wrong answer (they have on very rare occasions)

Then we have Jenny chiming in with this

It's "2 bits, 4 bits, six bits, a dollar"
which indicates that 8 bits = 1 dollar, so 2 bits should = 25c

Then we have this from Worley

Two bits= $0.25. During the colonial days, people used coins from all over the world. The most commonly used coin was the Spanish milled dollar. The Spanish milled dollars were easily cut apart into equal "bits" of 8 pieces. One "bit" would be equal to 1/8 of a dollar, and 2 bits would equal 2/8 (or 1/4 - a quarter of a dollar). So, it is easy to see why the coins were called "pieces of eight", and "2 bits" was commonly used to refer to 25 cents.

a good reply, which supports Jenny's theory.

So to go back to my original query.

Given that 2 bits = 25c, and you buy something and the shopkeeper says thats "2 bits" you presumably pay 25c (except in Texas)

So, would the shopkeeper say "3 bits" or "5 bits" or whatever? or is the "bits" thing only reserved for the number 2:confused:

Do you have a 12.5c coin (1 bit?) If I was in the USA and had 12.5c in my pocket, could I say I have "1 bit"? or would I get laughed at

Is it different in Texas (where 2 bits = 50c) to the rest of the USA? (where 2 bits apparently = 25c)

I'm not bashing the USA, I'm asking our American colleagues for the facts as I have been told to do many times.

Col

I take back my comments that Worley is childish, he is big enough to accept that his posts might annoy somebody , even if only an old fart, but Rich would never admit to being anything but 100% perfect. :)

Oh and by the way you tell me how one can be positive about Bush, Bliar, American gun deaths, Iraq etc. pray do tell me now


If these issues were confined to their relevent threads I'd back you 100% , I'll say it again you bash America, Bush, Americans in almost every thread.

Brian

I'm not bashing the USA, I'm asking our American colleagues for the facts as I have been told to do many times.

ColI personally have never heard a shopkeeper ask for anything in "bits", only Dollars and Cents, so technically your scenarios wouldn't occur (except maybe in Texas).

The only thing we sell in the US for fractions of a cent is gasoline. People read the sign which is marked $2.199 and human nature is to translate to $2.19, not $2.20. I gave up trying to figure out the rationality behind it.

I personally have never heard a shopkeeper ask for anything in "bits", only Dollars and Cents, so technically your scenarios wouldn't occur (except maybe in Texas).

so why have the phrase "2 bits" if its not used?:confused: is there a "1 bit" phrase?

Col

so why have the phrase "2 bits" if its not used?:confused: is there a "1 bit" phrase?

ColHonestly, I've only heard it used in Nursery Rhymes... a hold-over from an earlier time, I suppose.

so why have the phrase "2 bits" if its not used?:confused: is there a "1 bit" phrase?

Col

Col as you know I'm from Texas.



2 bits is a quarter, so now that that's solved; the general use has always been casual.

For instance let’s say you had a good looking chocolate bar that cost 22 cents to 27 cents and I asked you how much it was. You might say eh… 2 bits.

But the shop keeper would say 22 cents (plus tax) please.

I have never heard anyone refer to an odd number of bits.

Fair enough. I was guessing that as it was a quiz question, it was a more common thing.

Its no wonder our (UK) contestant got it wrong - it seems Fo-Fa would have to!

Now onto dimes. . . . . . . . . .what the hell is a dime? - is that used alot? "that'll be 2 dimes please". . . . . .

Col

Now onto dimes. . . . . . . . . .what the hell is a dime? - is that used alot? "that'll be 2 dimes please". . . . . . 10 cents. The usage would be "20 cents please".

Honestly, I've only heard it used in Nursery Rhymes... a hold-over from an earlier time, I suppose.

I do remember hearing it in that 'shave and haircut, two bits' thing they used to do in the old American music hall days. The tune is till used a lot for knocking on doors.

Impossible for me to type here (as I have no idea how to go about writing it), but it involves one knock, brief pause, four in quick succession, pause two knocks.

If these issues were confined to their relevent threads I'd back you 100% ,
Brian
Which thread is this?:confused:

Honestly, I've only heard it used in Nursery Rhymes... a hold-over from an earlier time, I suppose.
You're that old :eek:

Colin, I personally have never heard "2 bits" used in any way other than as an expression, mostly because the "bit" usefulness went away with the development of a standardized currency in the US. There is no single "bit" that I am aware of. Also, $12.30 would be asked for usually like "That will be twelve dollars and thirty cents, handsome man in the wheelchair." or more likely "Twelve dollars, thirty cents please.", lol. If its a quarter instead, it might occasionally be "twelve dollars and a quarter, please", but most likely just twenty five cents. Dimes are our $0.10 coin, and asking for twenty cents by asking for 2 dimes might get you a strange look or a smile, because its an unusual way of asking, but we would know what you meant without a problem.

to put the thread (somewhat) back on track, I heard on the news this morning that the total amount of donations to the Amish community here has now exceeded 4 million USD. More than enough to build a new school and to care for the three girls who are now permanently physically handicapped.

I was shocked the donations were so much so soon, but it should insure that the only thing the families now have to deal with are the emotional trauma.

So does money compensate for the pointless loss of life?

So does money compensate for the pointless loss of life?absolutely not, but it lessens the stress levels. It's one thing to deal with the tragedy itself, but quite another when the bill collectors come calling in addition to the emotional baggage.

But you knew that already in your own vituperative sort of way, didn't you?;)

absolutely not, but it lessens the stress levels. It's one thing to deal with the tragedy itself, but quite another when the bill collectors come calling in addition to the emotional baggage.

But you knew that already in your own vituperative sort of way, didn't you?;)
Why would bill collectors come calling and I thought the Amish didn't have anything to do with money?

Why would bill collectors come calling and I thought the Amish didn't have anything to do with money?

They don't completely shun money, they minimise it's use.
It's seen as a necessity, but only up to a point. Beyond that, it falls into the category of 'luxury', so they don't bother with it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15241580/site/newsweek/

This link applies to Ohio, but I think the rules are very similar elsewhere

http://www.oacountry.com/Amish-financial-matters.htm

They don't completely shun money, they minimise it's use.
It's seen as a necessity, but only up to a point. Beyond that, it falls into the category of 'luxury', so they don't bother with it.



I see, I just wondered why they would end up with $4,000,000 dollars, personally I'd rather have my family and I'd have thought they would. I just wonder why the same energy isn't targeted towards tackling America's gun problem? I still don't know why they would need the money though:confused:

I see, I just wondered why they would end up with $4,000,000 dollars, personally I'd rather have my family and I'd have thought they would.

What makes you think they wouldn't? :confused:

Why would bill collectors come calling and I thought the Amish didn't have anything to do with money?

You only think this because you don't absorb people's efforts (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=527457&postcount=7) to answer your questions.

I'd rather have my family and I'd have thought they would
I'd be willing to bet that they would, too. However, I don't remember them being given the option.
I just wonder why the same energy isn't targeted towards tackling America's gun problem?
The people who are in a position to do something (anything?) about the number of guns aren't the ones who supplied the $4m. If you tripped over a paving stone and I helped you up, my assistance wouldn't be a reflection on the local council's attitude toward road maintenance.

I still don't know why they would need the money though:confused:
They probably don't need the full amount, although knowing they could cover bills while grieving must be a source of some relief. I have no idea what the medical bills would have been, had they not been waived, but I doubt they would have come to anywhere near that much. Ultimately, it was the decision of the donors to give them the cash and there's no way of knowing when they'd have enough to cover whatever expenses they do accrue.

The people who are in a position to do something (anything?) about the number of guns aren't the ones who supplied the $4m. If you tripped over a paving stone and I helped you up, my assistance wouldn't be a reflection on the local council's attitude toward road maintenance.
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That may be true but if people kept tripping over the local council would take action especially when faced with the prospect of litigation. That avenue however has been removed by many states in the states as far as the gun goes. I wonder why?

They probably don't need the full amount, although knowing they could cover bills while grieving must be a source of some relief. I have no idea what the medical bills would have been, had they not been waived, but I doubt they would have come to anywhere near that much. Ultimately, it was the decision of the donors to give them the cash and there's no way of knowing when they'd have enough to cover whatever expenses they do accrue

Yes and before the sanctimonious jump down my throat I wouldn't want to appear to denigrate gifts from the heart.

They don't completely shun money, they minimise it's use.
It's seen as a necessity, but only up to a point. Beyond that, it falls into the category of 'luxury', so they don't bother with it.It's not money they have issues with, it's the greed, etc. that comes with it. They'll do carpentry work, bake pies, etc. for you and take your money just like anyone else. But do you think ambulances, medevac helicopters, doctors, nurses, and hospitals simply donate their services in these instances?

But do you think ambulances, medevac helicopters, doctors, nurses, and hospitals simply donate their services in these instances?
Why not?:confused:

It's not money they have issues with, it's the greed, etc. that comes with it. They'll do carpentry work, bake pies, etc. for you and take your money just like anyone else. But do you think ambulances, medevac helicopters, doctors, nurses, and hospitals simply donate their services in these instances?

Don't forget beautiful quilts.

I heard on the news this morning that the total amount of donations to the Amish community here has now exceeded 4 million USD.

They don't completely shun money, they minimise it's use.


I could minimise its use if I had a gift of $4m in the bank collecting interest:rolleyes:

Now they won't need to bake so many pies.

Col

Don't forget beautiful quilts....and great swing-sets for the kiddies :D

I've had to read posts from 611 to here twice, I'm left speechless,almost, by the attitude of Rich, and col, but it at least it confirms why i come and contribute to the Non-Access Issues less often.

Brian

If a community who looks on money as being only for necessary bills and not luxuries is suddenly given $4m - what are they going to do? They could just live on the interest and never bake another pie again.

What has happened there is tragic, but its happened and thats that, they need to move on and with 4 million bucks in the bank they can move on quite nicely.

Col

What has happened there is tragic, but its happened and thats that, they need to move on and with 4 million bucks in the bank they can move on quite nicely.Granted, $4 million is more than enough to rebuild the simple one-room schoolhouse. Unfortunately, while three of the girls are back in school, one remains in critical condition, the other is in a coma. The parents and families use simple horse-and-buggy transportation, so they have to be transported by other means so they don't spend days on the road en route to the hospital. While everyone is at the hospital, who works the farm? (or makes the cabinets, or quilts, or bakes the pies) Their self-reliance means they don't need a lot of money to survive, but these circumstances not only remove all of the family income in most cases, but create a mountain of debt that they would be unable to overcome even in the best of circumstances without help.

but these circumstances not only remove all of the family income in most cases, but create a mountain of debt that they would be unable to overcome even in the best of circumstances without help.
Bod, I don't follow that. . . . .one girl still in hospital (sad but thats the way it is), why should the family income be lost and what is this mountain of debt?

Col

Bod, I don't follow that. . . . .one girl still in hospital (sad but thats the way it is), why should the family income be lost and what is this mountain of debt?The Amish families (and community) are extremely close, they spend great amounts of time with the girl in the hospital (and the other children as well) not only just to be there, but because of their faith, prayer is a large part of it as well. In order to get there in less than a day or so by buggy, they have to get alternative transportation, which if not donated, requires money. They aren't going to drive a motorized vehicle, but they will ride in one. While they are not on the family farm, it isn't being worked, therefore the normal subsistance they would get from the farm is negated. Also, the normal amount of money they make through their carpentry, etc. is also negated. The fact that the child is still in the hospital means the bills there are also building. Let's also remember that the family members are also not "pulling their own weight" as they would normally do because they are devoting their time to the kids (no vacation time or health insurance down on the farm :( ). Without concrete numbers, you can still see that even without the hospital bills, they are going in the hole financially because they aren't producing their normal subsistance rates. Now add to that the additional debt, you can go under a lot quicker than most people realize.

I would have thought the hospital bills were covered by insurance so no problem there. The loss of income can be claimed on their personal business insurance as could taxi fares and any other expenses incurred in travelling.

I don't see what the problem is, millions of people have to do similar visits and not work for a few days etc but they don't get 4 million bucks to help out - apart from the nature of the events leading to hospitalisation - whats different?

If these people choose to sever themselves from real life and lead some crazy 18th century life then thats tough - its their bed so they lie in it. You can't have it both ways when it suits

Col

I would have thought the hospital bills were covered by insurance so no problem there. The loss of income can be claimed on their personal business insurance as could taxi fares and any other expenses incurred in travelling.Insurance? :eek: Insurance costs money. To the best of my knowledge, you'll not find any Amish with Insurance of any kind. If these people choose to sever themselves from real life and lead some crazy 18th century life then thats tough - its their bed so they lie in it. You can't have it both ways when it suitsProbably a good thing they didn't ask for help or outside interference nor complained about the position they are in then, huh?:rolleyes: You are far more concerned about it than they are...

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If these people choose to sever themselves from real life and lead some crazy 18th century life then thats tough I'll lay 50:1 odds they don't have nearly the blood pressure and anxiety probs you and Rich have :D :D :D

Insurance? :eek: Insurance costs money. To the best of my knowledge, you'll not find any Amish with Insurance of any kind.
More fool them then if they go broke. Still, they won't now with $4m in the bank.
In the USA, insurance - especially health insurance is a necessity not a luxury. If we visit the USA we are told to be insured up to the hilt because in the USA there are no freebies, no charities and the American health costs will bankrupt you in a day or two.
We're told if you are in (for example) a road accident, an ambulance will turn up and drive off again if you are uninsured. If you struggle to hospital, they will first ask if you are insured, if not, its out the door - no treatment. Just die somewhere else


I'll lay 50:1 odds they don't have nearly the blood pressure and anxiety probs you and Rich have :D :D :D
I had my BP done a few weeks ago and its 120/80

Col

They don't completely shun money, they minimise it's use.
It's not money they have issues with, it's the greed, etc. that comes with it...... It's seen as a necessity, but only up to a point. Beyond that, it falls into the category of 'luxury', so they don't bother with it.


Apologies if I wasn't clear. :confused: I see minimising the use of money as being equivalent to avoiding greed. Also, 'minimise' - when applied to money - also implies 'no luxuries'. I realise you could still be greedy for food, clothing, or whatever, but the discussion was about money, so that's what I meant.

I have no idea what the medical bills would have been, had they not been waived, but I doubt they would have come to anywhere near that much.

But do you think ambulances, medevac helicopters, doctors, nurses, and hospitals simply donate their services in these instances?

Um...no? As I said, I have no idea what the costs would have been. By 'medical bills' I meant the costs for doctors, nurses and hospitals Once again, sorry if that was too ambiguous. :confused:

I've had to read posts from 611 to here twice, I'm left speechless,almost, by the attitude of Rich, and col, but it at least it confirms why i come and contribute to the Non-Access Issues less often.

Brian
Which attitude is that then Brian, the one that attacks America for failing miserably to protect its children. How odd that you have a problem with that?

If we visit the USA we are told to be insured up to the hilt because in the USA there are no freebies, no charities and the American health costs will bankrupt you in a day or two.I'll confirm that for you:eek: I do have health insurance, in fact I work for a health insurance company, and the difference between the insurance company contracted rates and the off-the-street rates is usually 2:1.
We're told if you are in (for example) a road accident, an ambulance will turn up and drive off again if you are uninsured. If you struggle to hospital, they will first ask if you are insured, if not, its out the door - no treatment. Just die somewhere else The ambulance company technically can do that, but usually won't because of public sentiment. It's actually illegal for hospital workers to deny treatment...you'll have to sacrifice an arm, leg, and your firstborn to pay for your treatment, though :D

Once again, sorry if that was too ambiguous. :confused:my fault...it was meant as a continuation of the thought, not a contradiction

How odd that you have a problem with that?How odd you can't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you :(

my fault...it was meant as a continuation of the thought, not a contradiction

Then - in the spirit of avoiding any even slight argument, which this thread is almost managing - I am glad to hear my thoughts are occasionally worth continuing.

(Now, if someone will just tell my wife.....) :D

How odd you can't seem to understand what anyone is trying to tell you :(
just as odd as one or two not understanding what I'm saying. They just jump on anything said to further their viewpoint

If these people choose to sever themselves from real life and lead some crazy 18th century life then thats tough - its their bed so they lie in it.

Why is it tough? What makes you think they wouldn't cope without any donations?


You can't have it both ways when it suits

Col

Fortunately you don't get to decide that and that's why many gestures of goodwill have been made to the Amish people despite the opinion that you espouse.

just as odd as one or two not understanding what I'm saying.... one or two?

http://www.livenirvana.com/forum/images/smilies/lynchmob.gif

one or two?

http://www.livenirvana.com/forum/images/smilies/lynchmob.gif

Ok, now that was funny :D

Ok, now that was funny :D

I guess he does have a sense of humor after all. :D :D

one or two?

http://www.livenirvana.com/forum/images/smilies/lynchmob.gif
christ! an American with a sense of humour, there's hope yet:eek:

Rich, how did you know Christ had a sense of humor? Exactly how old are you, lol? Just kidding. Seriously Rich, your like a vulture. Whats with the cheap shots? There is a less argumentitive way of saying things that will make people actually want to listen to what you say instead of discounting your comments as inflammatory focused. As for the one or two not understanding what your trying to say...there are quite a few intelligent people here, and only Col and you have any idea what your trying to get across.

The money they recieved are going to be used in quite a few ways, in case you didnt bother reading the first link. They said they will donate to charities that provide medical financing for those who cannot afford to pay. They are donating some to the killer's family (wow, that gives you chills, and almost makes you want to turn the lights off, and live off candles for a while, maybe grow a beard). They are going to use some to build a nice school, themselves, most likely, and to make the rest of the community buildings handicap accessible, along with the homes of the injured. (I have heard that a few times) They also will use the money for continual care for the children, because although the initial bills were waived, the continuing care for the children isn't a given freebee, so money will be used for that. If they had insurance, they would have capped it out within a month or less, and would now be needing money for current care, so thank God for the generosity of the health care hospitals. Anyhow, I just hope they have what it takes to get through this, and I am sure they do.

Rich, how did you know Christ had a sense of humor? .
I read his book. Why do you see it as a cheap shot by the way?

wow, that gives you chills, and almost makes you want to turn the lights off, and live off candles for a while, maybe grow a beard).
Isn't that a cheap shot?

Back to the topic in hand, I'm reminded of the Solomon Browne tragedy here, the very large donation by the public to such a small community actually eventually caused more grief amongst them than the initial tragedy itself.

Why is it tough? What makes you think they wouldn't cope without any donations?
You can't expect to live some weird lifestyle, opt out of doing normal things (like having health insurance) and then expect someone else to pick up the tab. What the hell did they think was going to happen if they needed long term healthcare?
Plus, if they can cope without donations, why on earth give them $4m:confused: If they want to do that [live that way] then they do it without outside help which they appear to despise anyway - all this secretive stuff, no cars etc its all a load of bo**ocks:rolleyes:

Now they're sitting pretty with $4m bucks in the bank:rolleyes: whats the phrase - laughing all the way to the bank.;) :D

and donating to the killers family? whats that all about?

Col

What the hell did they think was going to happen if they needed long term healthcare?

Col
From what I've read here, health insurance in the States doesn't provide long term health care, makes you wonder just what they do pay for?:confused:

From what I've read here, health insurance in the States doesn't provide long term health care, makes you wonder just what they do pay for?:confused:
Oh right - so what happens if you have to go into hospital for a few months then?:confused:

Col

Oh right - so what happens if you have to go into hospital for a few months then?:confused:

Col
I know!! you sponge off society and get $4m to play with:D

Col

Oh right - so what happens if you have to go into hospital for a few months then?:confused:

Col
You end up bankrupt and rely on charity, poor charity, she must be overworked

From what I've read here, health insurance in the States doesn't provide long term health care, makes you wonder just what they do pay for?:confused:
If you live in a weird community, you don't pay anything and expect everything for free - and get it

Col

Well I don't know much about their religion, is it based on voodoo, or something?:confused:

Well I don't know much about their religion, is it based on voodoo, or something?:confused:
Yes, its the same as christianity is, all based on heresay and magic tricks.

Col

Yes, its the same as christianity is, all based on heresay and magic tricks.

Col
I'm suddenly reminded of James Bond:D

You can't expect to live some weird lifestyle, opt out of doing normal things (like having health insurance) and then expect someone else to pick up the tab. What the hell did they think was going to happen if they needed long term healthcare?
I think they expected to have to cope, as they usually do. They didn't ask for the donations, nor did they ask anyone else to pick up the tab. People offered help and they accepted. I think there's a marked difference between doing that and going cap-in-hand to people.


If they want to do that [live that way] then they do it without outside help which they appear to despise anyway - all this secretive stuff, no cars etc
I haven't seen any evidence they 'despise' outside help, or anything else for that matter. The few I've met have been very pleasant. They choose to do without certain things, in order to - so they feel - gain in other areas. If no-one had offered to help them, financially or otherwise, I doubt you'd have heard them complaining about it.

its all a load of bo**ocks
Nice summing up at the end of your argument. Do you have a legal background, or just a natural gift for succinctness? :D

Oh, and I have to admit I did find this one funny.

Originally Posted by Worley
Rich, how did you know Christ had a sense of humor? .
I read his book.

Nice summing up at the end of your argument. Do you have a legal background, or just a natural gift for succinctness? :D


A product of the Bristol Education Dept. They taught us how to be concise in the summing up.;) :D

Col

I read his book. Why do you see it as a cheap shot by the way?

I wasnt calling that a cheap shot, silly goose.



Isn't that a cheap shot?
It would be if I hadnt meant it. I respect the decision, and that level of forgiveness is admirable.


Back to the topic in hand, I'm reminded of the Solomon Browne tragedy here, the very large donation by the public to such a small community actually eventually caused more grief amongst them than the initial tragedy itself.

Would you have turned it down? Didnt think so. Shhhh lol

Nice exchange Col and Rich, didnt take you long to resort back to acting like children, huh? Guess thats what happens when you guys post unanswered a few times. Start to build up your confidence a little too much. Well, calm down, were back now, lol. Oh, cheap shots are like the random Christianity bashing, pretty much with no point. Come up with new ways of saying it, at least. :gives Rich a cracker: "Pretty bird"

Also, if someone were to kill 2 members of your family, and your community gave you money....would you be laughing all the way to the bank? And you call us money hungry..... Wouldnt be worth it a zillion times over to me. I keep being reminded of the pot and the kettle when it comes to Rich and Col....oh well, kids will be kids.

Also, if someone were to kill 2 members of your family, and your community gave you money....would you be laughing all the way to the bank? .
I wouldn't take it thanks, I guess it's something to do with my religion

You can't expect to live some weird lifestyle, opt out of doing normal things (like having health insurance) and then expect someone else to pick up the tab.

Who says they were?


What the hell did they think was going to happen if they needed long term healthcare?

Why don't you ask them? This question shows how little you know about the kind of people you're judging.


Plus, if they can cope without donations, why on earth give them $4m:confused:

Nobody gave them $4m. If a pregnant women can stand why give up your seat for her?


If they want to do that [live that way] then they do it without outside help which they appear to despise anyway - all this secretive stuff, no cars etc its all a load of bo**ocks:rolleyes:

What individual permits a helping hand in difficult times? You? Thank God, no.


Now they're sitting pretty with $4m bucks in the bank:rolleyes: whats the phrase - laughing all the way to the bank.;) :D

Who says the money is going to make anyone in the community laugh?
Is no subject matter immune to your puerility, not even the grief over a murdered child?

I wouldn't take it thanks, I guess it's something to do with my religion

I seriously doubt that.

I seriously doubt that.
Why do you find it so difficult to accept, are you comparing me to American society?:confused:

not even the grief over a murdered child?
Well America's not that grief struck, is it?

Why do you find it so difficult to accept, are you comparing me to American society?:confused:

I don't rely on America as a benchmark for my comments.

Well America's not that grief struck, is it?


Now they're sitting pretty with $4m bucks in the bank whats the phrase - laughing all the way to the bank.

Spot the pronoun. I don't see the word 'America' do you?

Nobody gave them $4m.

I naturally assumed Bods comment meant they had been given the money - its seems fairly precise

I heard on the news this morning that the total amount of donations to the Amish community here has now exceeded 4 million USD.
:confused: so where is this mystical $4m bucks then? getting someone a fat lot of interest before its handed over?

Who says the money is going to make anyone in the community laugh?

Well it'll cheer them up a bit, thats for sure;)

Is no subject matter immune to your puerility, not even the grief over a murdered child?Had you read my earlier posts, I have acknowledged this as a tragic event. However, I'm talking about the money here - not the incident itself - please try and keep up Dan:rolleyes:

Won't they also get a government pay-out too? like when the towers fell over on 11/9, the spouses of the dead all got $3m
for free

Col

Spot the pronoun. I don't see the word 'America' do you?
Why would I not use the word American when we're discussing America?:confused:

I don't rely on America as a benchmark for my comments.
Then what are you comparing me to, Buddhists?:confused:

I naturally assumed Bods comment meant they had been given the money - its seems fairly precise


:confused: so where is this mystical $4m bucks then? getting someone a fat lot of interest before its handed over?


Well it'll cheer them up a bit, thats for sure;)

Had you read my earlier posts, I have acknowledged this as a tragic event. However, I'm talking about the money here - not the incident itself - please try and keep up Dan:rolleyes:

Won't they also get a government pay-out too? like when the towers fell over on 11/9, the spouses of the dead all got $3m
for free

Col

As I said in an earlier thread, Americans are a giving bunch.

As I said in an earlier thread, Americans are a giving bunch.
The Americans giveth, but more often than not, taketh away:rolleyes:

Col

The Americans giveth, but more often than not, taketh away:rolleyes:

Col
demanding interest too

The Americans giveth, but more often than not, taketh away:rolleyes:

Col

Really Col?

More often than not.

You should look up the accounts for the last 50 years or so. I think you’ll find that we have given as much as most of the rest of the world combine.

Really Col?

More often than not.

You should look up the accounts for the last 50 years or so. I think you’ll find that we have given as much as most of the rest of the world combine.
Unfortunately, the accounts probobly don't cater for the damage caused by your governments warmongering gung-ho attitude to other countries which as you know is incalculable.

Col

Unfortunately, the accounts probobly don't cater for the damage caused by your governments warmongering gung-ho attitude to other countries which as you know is incalculable.

Col


Col,

As you know I am against the operation in Iraq, if for no other reason it may keep us from destroying the nuclear facilities in North Korea or Iran.

But if you took a realistic look at our military efforts over the last 50 years you will see that we did at least as much good as bad, especially when you consider that even our Pentagon views war as a zero sum gain.

Take for instance the stopping or the advance by the North Koreans had it not been for us they would have continued that war for an indefinite period. Certainly it would have continued until both countries were completely void of resources.

Give me one example where American intervention caused more problems than it solved. There are of course several but it probably wont be as cut and dried as you will make it out to be.

Col,


Give me one example where American intervention caused more problems than it solved.
Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, how many do you want?

Col,
As you know I am against the operation in Iraq, if for no other reason it may keep us from destroying the nuclear facilities in North Korea or Iran.
I sincerely hope the last part of that is a joke because if you are serious and the USA blunders into there, then your Iraq jaunt is going to look like strolling across the fields on a warm summers day. Getting Saddam et al will be like chastising a kitten compared to Korea or Iran.

I can't imagine how it will be. Its beyond me what actually posesses the US government to do all this.
I think that its because there has been (comparitively) little terrorist attacks on the USA soil so the government and people lulled into thinking they can invade / kill / attack anywhere and remain virtually untouched. When the bombs fall in New York maybe the US will wake up

Surely the US government knows the USA is the most hated country on earth - why does it do this? The UN should decide what happens, not some maverick country that thinks its gods gift.

Col

Col,

As you know I am against the operation in Iraq, if for no other reason it may keep us from destroying the nuclear facilities in North Korea or Iran.


It is statements like this that allow Rich and Col to keep attacking America, what right has America to deny nuclear facilities to other countries?, infact the invasion of Iraq is a bloody good reason for all other countries to want WMDs , but the arrogant hypocracy of the ruling elite of the west just can't see it, and it would appear nor can some ordinary americans.

Brian

It is statements like this that allow Rich and Col to keep attacking America, what right has America to deny nuclear facilities to other countries?, infact the invasion of Iraq is a bloody good reason for all other countries to want WMDs , but the arrogant hypocracy of the ruling elite of the west just can't see it, and it would appear nor can some ordinary americans.

Brian

Morning Brian,
I was actually egging them on (this is a political thread, and they are so cute when they’re angry).

But on the darker side. The rules of human engagement have not changed for 250,000 years nor are they going to in the near future. If you choose to come to the fight then bring a bigger club.

The real danger for the west (including Britain) is that plutonium will wind up on the open market and this will be potentially fatal for any number of western cities that don’t conform to the new world order according to Mohamed.

We are entering the third World War we just don’t know it yet.

The real danger for the west (including Britain) is that plutonium will wind up on the open market and this will be potentially fatal for any number of western cities that don’t conform to the new world order according to Mohamed.
It's already freely available on the internet, oh and by the way the North Korean adventure that you related to was a United Nations effort, not just American

It's already freely available on the internet,

Hmm, can you point a link to weapons grade plutonium being sold on the WWW?


oh and by the way the North Korean adventure that you related to was a United Nations effort, not just American

It's about time you panzie asses woke up and joined the fight.

It's about time you panzie asses woke up and joined the fight.

Wow, though I wasn't born, I just had a flashback to 1940 :D

We are entering the third World War we just don’t know it yet.
You might not being tucked up nicely in your USA. The rest of us know that if this is WW3 then there won't be a 4th.

Col

You might not being tucked up nicely in your USA. The rest of us know that if this is WW3 then there won't be a 4th.

Col

You’re paraphrasing Einstein, when he talked about WWIV being fought with stones.

Wow, though I wasn't born, I just had a flashback to 1940 :D

I couldn't help it. :rolleyes:

It's about time you panzie asses woke up and joined the fight.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Which fight is that? We were in Korea, Iraq, Afgahnistan, sensibily we missed Nam, pity we didn't miss the latest 2.

Oh for the record fighting by ourselves we won in Malaysia, hmm surprising what you can do when not having to dodge friendly fire.

Brian

I couldn't help it. :rolleyes:

I guessed. Hence the smiley.:D

Oh for the record fighting by ourselves we won in Malaysia,
Brian

Not familier with that one Brian, What happened there?

You’re paraphrasing Einstein, when he talked about WWIV being fought with stones.
I'm not - WW3 will destroy mankind.

Sod this global warming shite - mankind will destroy mankind and the USA will start it.

Col

It was a fight by the British against Communists insurgents in the early 1950s

Here is an interesting link (http://aidemocracy.typepad.com/interdependent/2005/08/a_new_strategy_.html)

Brian

It's about time you panzie asses woke up and joined the fight.
Remind us again which country stopped our fight to get rid of a bully in the Middle East back in the 50's because it was against that country's interests in the said region?:rolleyes:

I'm not - WW3 will destroy mankind.

Sod this global warming shite - mankind will destroy mankind and the USA will start it.

Col
It's their way of dealing with gun crime in the States, just export it elsewhere

It's their way of dealing with gun crime in the States, just export it elsewhere

Come on Rich I think that deserved a smiley.

Brian

It's their way of dealing with gun crime in the States, just export it elsewhere

As a matter of fact a large sale of F23s has been aproved by congress.

You gotta love those American made flying machines.

Didn't the British make the most advanced fighters in the world?

Oh yeah that was 1938.

Come on Rich I think that deserved a smiley.

Brian
Damn, I didn't think of that:D

.

Didn't the British used to make the most advanced fighters in the world?

Still do Jen, we now though participate in joint ventures, look up the Typhoon, it leaves yours standing on the runway:cool:

Still do Jen, we now though participate in joint ventures, look up the Typhoon, it leaves yours standing on the runway:cool:

Generation 5

F-22 Raptor
The X-35 JSF, a prototype "fifth generation" jet fighter.The current cutting edge of fighter design combines previous emphasis on versatility with new developments such as thrust vectoring, composite materials, supercruise, stealth technology, advanced radar and sensors, and integrated avionics designed to reduce the pilot's workload while vastly improving situational awareness.

Of these, only the American F-22 Raptor, put into production in 2004 are operational, and it is often regarded as the first of a new generation of fighters, termed the fifth generation. (Although the European Eurofighter Typhoon is often considered a direct rival to the F-22 Raptor with a similar performance). The in-development F-35 Lightning II (formerly Joint Strike Fighter) has also been designed for stealth, and the F-22 has influenced the continued development of the 4th generation designs, and the shape of design work for other countries' long-term fighter development projects (for instance, the rumoured Chinese Shenyang J-XX project, Indian Medium Combat Aircraft, and the Russian PAK FA).

To date, none of these aircraft have been used in combat. Current developments include reducing the radar visibility of fighters—techniques known as stealth—as well as increased range at supersonic speeds (supercruise) and better maneuverability.

Are you kidding? leaves it in the dust?

Still do Jen, we now though participate in joint ventures, look up the Typhoon, it leaves yours standing on the runway:cool:

The Typhoon's combat performance, particularly compared to the new F-22A Raptor and the upcoming F-35 fighter under development in the United States and the Dassault Rafale developed in France, has been the subject of much speculation. While making a reliable assessment is impossible with available information, there is a study by the UK's DERA comparing the Typhoon to other contemporary fighters. In it, the Typhoon was second only to the F-22A in combat performance. Especially in France, it is claimed that 10 years after this study, Typhoon hasn't shown evidence of any superiority during international competitions, though recent UK and US reports (in Flight Daily News, Aviation Week, Show News and Defence Analysis for example) indicate that the aircraft was the preferred technical solution in Singapore, though Typhoon was ousted from the competition before Rafale and F-15.

You should study more.

While making a reliable assessment is impossible with available information,
:rolleyes:

Still do Jen, we now though participate in joint ventures, look up the Typhoon, it leaves yours standing on the runway:cool:

So based on nothing, you make comments like this.

So based on nothing, you make comments like this.
I've seen ours in action, how about you and yours?

I naturally assumed Bods comment meant they had been given the money - its seems fairly precise

My comment was fairly precise. Nobody gave them $4m. That amount is the sum of what people have given them.



Well it'll cheer them up a bit, thats for sure;)

Perhaps we should run a poll to see how many people find this kind of comment funny?


Had you read my earlier posts, I have acknowledged this as a tragic event. However, I'm talking about the money here - not the incident itself - please try and keep up Dan:rolleyes:


OK, let's try and demonstrate that this is a falsehood in baby steps.

I've highlighted all the pronouns that refer to Amish people and their culture. How many words actually refer to 'the money'.


You can't expect to live some weird lifestyle, opt out of doing normal things (like having health insurance) and then expect someone else to pick up the tab. What the hell did they think was going to happen if they needed long term healthcare?
Plus, if they can cope without donations, why on earth give them $4m If they want to do that [live that way] then they do it without outside help which they appear to despise anyway - all this secretive stuff, no cars etc its all a load of bo**ocks

Now they're sitting pretty with $4m bucks in the bank whats the phrase - laughing all the way to the bank.

This is what sticks in my throat. You dribble on and on about how America imposes it's will on the rest of the world and then you do exactly the same thing in microcosm. It's just total hypocrisy.

I've seen ours in action, how about you and yours?

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=17788&rsbci=0&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400

Actually, yes. I saw one close up, and its freaking amazing.

It's just total hypocrisy.
Not really, we don't go in all guns blazing to enforce our will

Actually, yes. I saw one close up, and its freaking amazing.
I never got to Farnborough this year:(

Wow Dan, that was a pretty solid thrashing. lol

It always seems strange to me how those two peaceful brits are argumentitive, aggressive, and close minded...all the while complaining about those same qualities in others.

Not really, we don't go in all guns blazing to enforce our will
Really?

Since when?

Oh yeah, when you were no longer the most powerful nation in the world.

Wow Dan, that was a pretty solid thrashing. lol

It always seems strange to me how those two peaceful brits are argumentitive, aggressive, and close minded...all the while complaining about those same qualities in others.
We don't need an arsenal to back us up:p

Not really, we don't go in all guns blazing to enforce our will

No you'd rather drown people into submission with drool.

No you'd rather drown people into submission with drool.
You've misspelt truth, again

No you'd rather drown people into submission with drool.

And all this time I thought it was dribble.

We don't need an arsenal to back us up:p

If by arsenal, you mean individual thinking for a weapon and intelligence for ammo, then perhaps you should look into it, you guys ar not doing so well without your "arsenal". Why does everything