The question was whether the Amish practiced voodoo ?:confused:


Ah there you go again; getting all confused about the US.

Voodoo is practiced in Louisiana, not in Lancaster County Pennsylvania.

not in Lancaster County Pennsylvania.
What's practiced there then?:confused:

What's practiced there then?:confused:

I expect they are mostly Christian.

I expect they are mostly Christian.
Yes once all the native religions were wiped out there's not much left, is there

Yes once all the native religions were wiped out there's not much left, is there


Well we could all be devout atheist.

Maybe then we could spend our time criticizing everyone else’s beliefs.

The question was whether the Amish practiced voodoo ?:confused:
Uh...no, lol. Where did you get that idea?

“In some awful, strange, paradoxical way, atheists tend to take religion more seriously than the practitioners.”
Jonathon Miller
lol

Uh...no, lol. Where did you get that idea?
Well I just knew the US was full of wierd cults, so I assumed this was one of them.

“In some awful, strange, paradoxical way, atheists tend to take religion more seriously than the practitioners.”
Jonathon Miller
lol
Yes but then atheists don't go around shooting the world to bits with god on their side, do they

Yes but then atheists don't go around shooting the world to bits with god on their side, do they
No, they do it without god on their side :rolleyes:

No, they do it without god on their side :rolleyes:
Ah you mean the like NYC police?:rolleyes:

Well it'll cheer them up a bit, thats for sure

Perhaps we should run a poll to see how many people find this kind of comment funny?

Run a poll? please don't come on with the old American holier-than-thou stuff that you all do so well.

Its a normal comment, not meant to be funny.

Look, some kids get killed - ok, not good. Community depressed naturally. Then along comes someone with a cheque for $4m and says this may help you.
Are they going to feel bad or worse? it won't replace the kids but it may help ease the loss.

Thats what compensation is all about Daniel.

Although I'm still mystified about the collection. Do you have a collection for every gun death in the USA? Why pick on the Amish to give $4m to? What makes them different from say a shopkeeper gunned down by a robber?

Col

Wow Dan, that was a pretty solid thrashing. lol
ameteurs:rolleyes:

It always seems strange to me how those two peaceful brits are argumentitive, aggressive, and close minded
An American saying we're agressive and close minded??? . . . . jesus, thats a good one Wo:rolleyes:

Col

Which time...we can start with random religious comments that had nothing to do with the current topic or the thread. I dont even have to go back very far.
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=541624&postcount=654
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=541750&postcount=660
Note that you and Col are the only ones talking religion here, and it moves towards no serious point. It's only bait, so you can call christianity a fairy tale as many times as possible while you argue with people you blatantly and purposefully offend.
Here is a random shot by you that has nothing to do with the post where you randomly say things about how America isnt greifing over the Amish children. Once again, no point was made, just a non thread related shot.
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=541760&postcount=664
Heres another spot where you make a random comment about Americans being money focused, right after Col did the same.
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=541915&postcount=672
Need I go on? Its pointless, but I will.
You helped chase the thread onto 5th gen Jets, then another random comment about the American "gun blazing".
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=542017&postcount=704
Another random shot about the US backing themselves up with....well, noone really knows what you were talking about here. I am sure its a random jab, however.
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=542024&postcount=708
And here is the reply that helped pull the thread off into burglary, along with some cute "gun ho" comment.
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=542043&postcount=720
Nine posts later, you lose your momentum and attempt a recovery of thread integrity.
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=542059&postcount=729

Everyone does it, but not everyone asks "where?" with a cute little confused smiley.
You really need to get out more Wo:rolleyes:

Note that you and Col are the only ones talking religion here, Surely thats a major part of the community isn't it? - thats why they lead this weird life.

Most people that lead a cult existence are usually spaced out on religion.

I'm sure the Americans will make a video game of the Amish thing soon like they have with Columbine. You think Rich and I are heartless?? ref (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usguns/Story/0,,1776926,00.html)

Who gets the royalties?

Col

I love this quote by the game's creator:rolleyes:

The creator, who identified himself only by the name "Columbin", said he was inspired to make the game because he was in Colorado at the time of the attack.

"I was a bullied kid. I didn't fit in, and I was surrounded by a culture of elitism as espoused by our school's athletes." He said that he considered the killers, at times, to be "very thoughtful, sensitive and intelligent young men".

Might explain this....
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur_percap-crime-burglaries-per-capita

UK have almost double the burglary rates of the US.

Once again, bang up to date.

"SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 "

This one's even less relevant than your other posting.

I love this quote by the game's creator:rolleyes:

Maybe he (the creator of the game) should be eaten by a dingo.

Thats what compensation is all about Daniel.


I thought you believed they didn't warrant this 'compensation' because of their 'weird lifestyle'? :rolleyes:

I was trying to explain to you why $4m should cheer them up a bit.

However, you seem to want a poll or something - have you done it yet? whats the question?

Col

I was trying to explain to you why $4m should cheer them up a bit.

However, you seem to want a poll or something - have you done it yet? whats the question?

Col

You know something Colin, somewhere along the line you've made the decision to only use these forums as a tool to wind people up. You're bored or whatever and need your entertainment. That's fine, but I'm not your huckleberry. See ya later.

That's fine, but I'm not your huckleberry. See ya later.


I love that quote.

The first time I heard it was in the one of the Wyatt Eurp movies, I believe it was Tombstone not "Wyatt Eurp"

Which by the way I think I liked Tombstone better.

You know something Colin, somewhere along the line you've made the decision to only use these forums as a tool to wind people up. You're bored or whatever and need your entertainment. That's fine, but I'm not your huckleberry. See ya later.
I seem to recall Daniella, that it was you that took exception to my post saying that $4m should "cheer them up a bit" now you're backing out of it

and what the hell is a huckleberry? never heard of it except in the Tom Sawyer mode.:confused:

Col

and what the hell is a huckleberry? never heard of it except in the Tom Sawyer mode.:confused:

Col


I think it means “I’m your man”

You know something Colin, somewhere along the line you've made the decision to only use these forums as a tool to wind people up.
See? jumping to conclusions again:rolleyes: a simple search would show I use these forums to help other people with Access problems.

Col

I think it means “I’m your man”
So huckleberry finn means I'm your man finn?:confused:

So huckleberry finn means I'm your man finn?:confused:

Are you? Thats kind of gross...
Colin, it wasn't the "cheer" comment that was juvenile, it was the "laughing all the way to the bank" comment. That was not a well thought through comment, was it? As for you being argumentitive and agressive...you and Rich pretty much make comments without a point that are intended to rile up the other posters on the non-access threads. From what I see, its pretty rare anyone does it other than you. It is supposed to be a discussion, so start making some sort of point we can discuss....
Have a nice day.

Are you? Thats kind of gross...

Huh? :confused: :confused:

Huh? :confused: :confused:

I thought it was just me, but it's good to see someone else didn't follow that comment.

Maybe he (the creator of the game) should be eaten by a dingo.
I'll export one to you :p

Once again, bang up to date.

"SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 "

This one's even less relevant than your other posting.

All you have to do is ask, you sound like your getting angry, lol.

Burglary rates are a little lower. Congrats!
http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page7.asp

Look at violence from 2000-2006 though. Wowsers! Thanks for the prodding, Matt. Looks like Rich isnt exactly making his judgements on America while sitting in the proverbial "Garden of Eden", huh? I may postpone my trip to the UK until they get that under control. I don't want my hotel room broken into, and have someone steal my prosthetic leg while I am downstairs getting breakfast, or get attacked on the streets. Or any of the various other crimes 30% of the UK are having commited on them. And it seems that is just what is reported by the police who even in the UK, are considered rediculously ineffective.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1382161,00.html

(That's pretty recent, too)
The US has its problems, and we have covered most of them in this thread, including repeated comments on religion (when the UK has a higher Church attendance than the US...and when I said this [with reference], Rich's reply was "Its in sharp decline", lol), but the truth is, The UK is not doing much better. And in many cases, much worse. I like the British, on the whole, but combative comments attract it's own kind, then again, its clear that is usually their point.

I may postpone my trip to the UK until they get that under control. I don't want my hotel room broken into, and have someone steal my prosthetic leg while I am downstairs getting breakfastI thought you were going to rent a spot on Rich or Col's couch?
You won't have to worry about being broken into, they'll scare the burglars off :p

I thought you were going to rent a spot on Rich or Col's couch?
You won't have to worry about being broken into, they'll scare the burglars off :p
Nah, we'll just stick a sign in the window, Warning, American on Patrol

, including repeated comments on religion (when the UK has a higher Church attendance than the US...and when I said this [with reference], Rich's reply was "Its in sharp decline", lol), but the truth is, The UK is not doing much better. And in many cases, much worse. I like the British, on the whole, but combative comments attract it's own kind, then again, its clear that is usually their point.

Here you go a link for you, it's ten years out of date
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_rate.htm


So here's the latest figure available
3% of people go to church
7.5% attended regularly in 1998
29% of churchgoers are aged over 65
17% are of ethnic minority background
(8% of general UK population are ethnic minorities)
44% of London churchgoers are black
Source: Christian Research

Colin, it wasn't the "cheer" comment that was juvenile, it was the "laughing all the way to the bank" comment.
I'll tell you another bunch who are laughing all the way to the bank - its the recipients of the $3m whose spouses died when the towers fell over on 11/9.

I read an article where many of their marriages were on the rocks, then the spouse dies and the other gets a $3m windfall. Problem solved. ;)

Don't try and tell me that a gift to the Amish of $4m won't generate at least a wry smile. In the land of milk and money (the USA), money rules.

Col

The US has its problems,
Understatement:rolleyes:

Col

I'll tell you another bunch who are laughing all the way to the bank - its the recipients of the $3m whose spouses died when the towers fell over on 11/9.

Col
Yes isn't it odd that a nation that was so grief struck by the events of the world trade centre was too bloody lazy to be bothered to give the dead the respect they deserved by giving it it's full title and within days reduced it to a tacky two syllables.
They want to lecture us on respect for the dead:rolleyes:

Burglary rates are a little lower. Congrats!
http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page7.asp
Look at violence from 2000-2006 though. Wowsers!
See? Just as easy to post relevant figures as it is to come out with the irrelevant stuff you have been. Now, at least your arguments can have some basis in fact. lol (I know that comment wasn't funny, but nor are the majority of the postings you use it in)

And it seems that is just what is reported by the police who even in the UK, are considered rediculously ineffective. (That's pretty recent, too)

'Considered' by the group who carried out the report. Not necessarily by everyone else.

Nah, we'll just stick a sign in the window, Warning, American on Patrol

Ya'll been doing that for quite a while.

Yes isn't it odd that a nation that was so grief struck by the events of the world trade centre was too bloody lazy to be bothered to give the dead the respect they deserved by giving it it's full title and within days reduced it to a tacky two syllables.
They want to lecture us on respect for the dead:rolleyes:

What 2 syllables?

Nah, we'll just stick a sign in the window, Warning, American on Patrol
I actually liked that reply, lol.

What two syllables? What in the Queen's name are you talking about? :confused:

Wrong choice of words maybe, perhaps I should have said condensed to two numbers, the implication's just as relevant though

Wrong choice of words maybe, perhaps I should have said condensed to two numbers, the implication's just as relevant though

So let's break this down.

nine - e - lev - en

Hmm, 4 not 2, I guess that just about sums up the accuracy of most of your post.

so lets break this down

nine - e - lev - en

Hmm, 4 not 2, .
And that lessens the tack and cheapness of it, I don't think so:rolleyes:

Wrong choice of words maybe, perhaps I should have said condensed to two numbers, the implication's just as relevant though
I actually agree with you on that one, Rich. The first time I heard somone use the phrase "Nine Eleven" it just didn't sit well with me.

Matt, I think its become clear that your angry at me. I am sorry, although I have never seen you get angry at Rich for posting a reference from 2000. You didnt even get angry when he used references from the early 90's. It can't be my snide comments because Rich and Colin match me comment for comment in the same manner. So what exactly was it? What can I do to make you feel better? I already apologized, and I meant it, and I won't do so again. Do you want me to leave your old countrymen alone? Just tell me why I made you so angry, instead of snapping at me. I fixed every problem you presented to me, and your next post was just as angry. Soooo either tell me whats wrong, or please quit whining so I can get back to acting like a 9 year old trying to impress a girl at the playground with Rich and Colin.

I actually agree with you on that one, Rich. The first time I heard somone use the phrase "Nine Eleven" it just didn't sit well with me.

Sound bites run the world.

And that lessens the tack and cheapness of it, I don't think so:rolleyes:

Of course not. But then again, we did invade Iraq.

I'll tell you another bunch who are laughing all the way to the bank - its the recipients of the $3m whose spouses died when the towers fell over on 11/9.

I read an article where many of their marriages were on the rocks, then the spouse dies and the other gets a $3m windfall. Problem solved. ;)

Don't try and tell me that a gift to the Amish of $4m won't generate at least a wry smile. In the land of milk and money (the USA), money rules.

Col
Listen closely, homie...there is quite a difference between a wry smile and "laughing all the way to the bank". I wouldn't even get a wry smile out of any amount of money at the cost of a loved one. You call us money hungry, yet every comment you make suggest you think money as an acceptable replacement for family and friends. Maybe thats because you have never actually had someone close to you die? If you have, you would understand that could never true. You need to take a look at your personal family values if that is the case. (Yours personally, not the values of the British in general...just you.)

Listen closely, homie...there is quite a difference between a wry smile and "laughing all the way to the bank". I wouldn't even get a wry smile out of any amount of money at the cost of a loved one. You call us money hungry, yet every comment you make suggest you think money as an acceptable replacement for family and friends. Maybe thats because you have never actually had someone close to you die? If you have, you would understand that could never true. You need to take a look at your personal family values if that is the case. (Yours personally, not the values of the British in general...just you.)
Would you like a list of those who became rich at the hands of the gun ho NYC police?

gun ho NYC police?:D :D struck me as ironically amusing

Would you like a list of those who became rich at the hands of the gun ho NYC police?
Do you seriously think money can replace a loved one, too? I had thought you somewhat intelligent, if a bit self-centered and shortsighted, until that exact comment. I don't care if you care about my opinion, but I feel like sharing, today. You guys seriously need to think about what you type before you type it. Think about what you have both said about yourselves here... I hope that you never lose a loved one, but you will, and when it happens, I hope you can finally understand that money can't replace someone you care about. Apparently money means more than you than it does to me, and to every American I know.

:D :D struck me as ironically amusing

They use that comment as much as possible. It's apparently in the script, lol.

Do you seriously think money can replace a loved one, too? I had thought you somewhat intelligent, if a bit self-centered and shortsighted, until that exact comment. I don't care if you care about my opinion, but I feel like sharing, today. You guys seriously need to think about what you type before you type it. Think about what you have both said about yourselves here... I hope that you never lose a loved one, but you will, and when it happens, I hope you can finally understand that money can't replace someone you care about. Apparently money means more than you than it does to me, and to every American I know.

You are missing the point here, there doesn't seem to be a day goes by without someone being given a large sum of money as the result of the gun culture that exists in America and America's constant failure to tackle the problem. To me it seems nothing more than guilt money and as for me saying or even thinking that money is compensation for a life wrongly lost then I suggest you go back a few posts and read what I actually said.
Now you tell me why cigarette manufacturers can be sued over the long term effects of smoking but relatives of those lost to the gun can't sue gun manufacturers, I'll tell you why, backhanders to lawmakers, sheer bloody hypocrisy. And you want to lecture us on morality

And you want to lecture us on morality
No, I don't want to, but someone has to do your parent's job.

...And you want to lecture us on morality

No 'us'. Just you. :D :D

No, I don't want to, but someone has to do your parent's job.
It certainly won't be an American

It certainly won't be an American

You don't like Americans?

You don't like Americans?
When lecturing on morality, work it out for yourself Ken

You don't like Americans?

Did you manage to keep your face straight when you wrote that? :)

brian

They use that comment as much as possible. It's apparently in the script, lol.I was actually referring to the fact that by removing the 'g' from gung-ho, Rich was, in the vernacular, calling the NYPD a group of gun whores. Either I underestimated Rich's comic wit, or just haven't been paying attention.:D

[QUOTE=Worley]Matt, I think its become clear that your angry at me. I am sorry, although I have never seen you get angry at Rich for posting a reference from 2000.... So what exactly was it? Just tell me why I made you so angry QUOTE]

To be honest, I took offence at the whole tone of that post. I don't check Rich's comments as they're not directed at me. The bit about how the British can't even shoot straight stuck a raw nerve as a friend of the family was taken out by US 'friendly fire', some time ago. As a result, every time I hear about how well trained and what expert shots the US are I find it hard to keep calm.

Apology accepted and I'll try to stay level-headed in the future.

[QUOTE=Worley]Matt, I think its become clear that your angry at me. I am sorry, although I have never seen you get angry at Rich for posting a reference from 2000.... So what exactly was it? Just tell me why I made you so angry QUOTE]

To be honest, I took offence at the whole tone of that post. I don't check Rich's comments as they're not directed at me. The bit about how the British can't even shoot straight stuck a raw nerve as a friend of the family was taken out by US 'friendly fire', some time ago. As a result, every time I hear about how well trained and what expert shots the US are I find it hard to keep calm.

Apology accepted and I'll try to stay level-headed in the future.

I'm reminded of a quote by the late British broadcaster Raymond Baxter, he gave tribute to the Americans during WWII as they were the only ones who managed to bring his spitfire down

To be honest, I took offence at the whole tone of that post. I don't check Rich's comments as they're not directed at me. The bit about how the British can't even shoot straight stuck a raw nerve as a friend of the family was taken out by US 'friendly fire', some time ago. As a result, every time I hear about how well trained and what expert shots the US are I find it hard to keep calm.

Apology accepted and I'll try to stay level-headed in the future.

I am really sorry to hear that, and I completely understand.

Now you tell me why cigarette manufacturers can be sued over the long term effects of smoking but relatives of those lost to the gun can't sue gun manufacturers, I'll tell you why, backhanders to lawmakers, sheer bloody hypocrisy. And you want to lecture us on morality
as a matter of fact gun manufacturers can and have been sued in the past. a few years ago in California I think a 15 yo who was paralyzed won a settlement from a gun manufacturer and if I remember right he used the money and bought the company.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/12/eveningnews/main629071.shtml

I was actually referring to the fact that by removing the 'g' from gung-ho, Rich was, in the vernacular, calling the NYPD a group of gun whores. Either I underestimated Rich's comic wit, or just haven't been paying attention.:D
Yeah, they used that in post 720, most recently. I admit it was pretty good, huh?
http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=542043&postcount=720

as a matter of fact gun manufacturers can and have been sued in the past. a few years ago in California I think a 15 yo who was paralyzed won a settlement from a gun manufacturer and if I remember right he used the money and bought the company.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/12/eveningnews/main629071.shtml
That isn't going to last for long
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2443

That isn't going to last for long
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2443
That is a good thing, and moves towards better gun control laws. Don't be so negitive, lol. Does nothing make you happy? jeeez

That is a good thing, and moves towards better gun control laws. Don't be so negitive, lol. Does nothing make you happy? jeeez
By removing the right to sue gun manufacturers makes a better law?:confused:

By removing the right to sue gun manufacturers makes a better law?:confused:



Gun manufacturers should not be held liable for the misuse of their product. But on the other hand, civilian guns should not be allowed to have even 12 shots without reloading.

Still, that big hunker muncher brown bear that was killed in Alaska a couple of years ago had something like 15 shots from various shooters (two of which didn’t survive the ordeal) finally a game warden (or for forest ranger, not sure which) brought him down at his own feet, with an additional 7 shots from an 8mm magnum.

Gun manufacturers should not be held liable for the misuse of their product. But on the other hand, civilian guns should not be allowed to have even 12 shots without reloading.

Still, that big hunker muncher brown bear that was killed in Alaska a couple of years ago had something like 15 shots from various shooters (two of which didn’t survive the ordeal) finally a game warden (or for forest ranger, not sure which) brought him down at his own feet, with an additional 7 shots from an 8mm magnum.
Do you know a programme was on last night showing a Canadian from Alberta controlling large grizzlies with nothing more than a pressurised air can. Isn't it amazing what civilised people can do without a gun?

By removing the right to sue gun manufacturers makes a better law?:confused:

The title is "Supreme Court Permits DC to sue Gun Manufacturers". Did you post this and not even read your own link? It isnt removing the right, its giving it.

Do you know a programme was on last night showing a Canadian from Alberta controlling large grizzlies with nothing more than a pressurised air can. Isn't it amazing what civilised people can do without a gun?

I'll bet that will stop a pissed off bear every time, too. Just like a gun. Guess thats why "civilised" people don't hang out in the woods much huh? Next time I go camping, I am taking a can of hair spray with me. Thanks for the tip.

The title is "Supreme Court Permits DC to sue Gun Manufacturers". Did you post this and not even read your own link? It isnt removing the right, its giving it.
What is it with Americans not reading properly and even more so today, are you all still pissed from thanksgiving. Read the entire article especially the last part of the text.

I'll bet that will stop a pissed off bear every time, too. Just like a gun. Guess thats why "civilised" people don't hang out in the woods much huh? Next time I go camping, I am taking a can of hair spray with me. Thanks for the tip.
Watch the programme, at worst you could learn something

It certainly won't be an American
And remember waaay back to your response to my first post, where you were worried about being branded Anti-American? As to your quote...it was an American, and it already happened. To me, money cannot replace loved ones, and wouldnt even make me feel better about it. You seem to think it should, and agree with Colin that they are "laughing all the way to the bank", yet brand all americans money hungry. You should reassess your family vs. euro priority.

And remember waaay back to your response to my first post, where you were worried about being branded Anti-American? .
I'm not worried about being branded anti-American, it's a tag that's handed out by Americans who can't stomach any criticism of the system they're brainwashed into believing is perfect

You seem to think it should,
I've never made any such suggestion or intimated it, you've chosen to interpret as such

You should reassess your family vs. euro priority
We don't use the Euro here and as for taking the money, I've already argued the point with another Yank that I would not take it. Whether you accept that or like him you judge me by American standards is your problem not mine. My conscience is 100% free

I actually agree with you on that one, Rich. The first time I heard somone use the phrase "Nine Eleven" it just didn't sit well with me.
Besides which, America's got it backwards... it should be "eleven nine"! :p

Listen closely, homie...there is quite a difference between a wry smile and "laughing all the way to the bank".
Gosh really?:rolleyes: thats why I amended my comment. What is a "homie"? As you're American, I suspect its something derogatory - you don't live in Georgia do you?

I wouldn't even get a wry smile out of any amount of money at the cost of a loved one. but it'll help you pay the bills

You call us money hungry,
America is well known for it. The gun and money rule in the USA.
yet every comment you make suggest you think money as an acceptable replacement for family and friends.
it only seems to happen in certain cases. How much will the family of the unarmed black man get who was gunned down by the NY police last weekend get? will "the USA" have a collection for him? of course not - a) he's not a child and b) he's black - I doubt it hardly made the news outside New York

Maybe thats because you have never actually had someone close to you die? If you have, you would understand that could never true. You need to take a look at your personal family values if that is the case.
I understand ok thank you. Just who the hell do you think you are???? You know nothing of my personal life - please don't preach to me about family values

Col

...you don't live in Georgia do you?

How did I get dragged into this? :eek: :confused:

What is a "homie"? As you're American, I suspect its something derogatory - you don't live in Georgia do you?

it only seems to happen in certain cases. How much will the family of the unarmed black man get who was gunned down by the NY police last weekend get? will "the USA" have a collection for him? of course not - a) he's not a child and b) he's black - I doubt it hardly made the news outside New York

Col

A homie is a friend, it is mexican/ spanish slang.

and the bride groom story made it as far as I have found to Scotland at least

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1761542006

I suspect that even if the inquiry finds it was a clean shoot, the family and fiance will still sue the city in civil court, ala O.J. , and will prolly make a bit of change from it. there are also book deals and movie and tv rights. so I am sure they will be "compensated" for what happened one way or the other

Just to show I think some cops are 'Gun ho' in America, here is a news item in Atlanta that is developing as we speak...

Link (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10410207/detail.html)

Who know what the cops were thinking :confused: :(

A homie is a friend, it is mexican/ spanish slang.
how odd. A friend in Spanish is "amiga / amigo"

I suspect that even if the inquiry finds it was a clean shoot, the family and fiance will still sue the city in civil court, ala O.J. , and will prolly make a bit of change from it. there are also book deals and movie and tv rights. so I am sure they will be "compensated" for what happened one way or the other
I realise this death will be very lucrative. What I'm trying to assertain is - is there going to be donations from the American public? - like the $4m for the Amish. If not, why not? whats the difference?

Col

I think it is mexican street slang, but I am not entirely sure.

I do not know if there is going to be a "donation" per se, but I would think there will be a memorial fund and the like for him. but I have no idea if it will actually come to pass. and I think you are correct, there is no difference in the situation other than the guy was shot by the police

Just do show I think some cops are 'Gun ho' in America, here is a news item in Atlanta that is developing as we speak...

Link (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10410207/detail.html)

Who know what the cops were thinking :confused: :(
Well it's even worse than we thought:rolleyes:

I think it is mexican street slang, but I am not entirely sure.

I do not know if there is going to be a "donation" per se, but I would think there will be a memorial fund and the like for him. but I have no idea if it will actually come to pass. and I think you are correct, there is no difference in the situation other than the guy was shot by the police
And of course the police will be found not guilty of any wrong doing:mad:

how odd. A friend in Spanish is "amiga / amigo"


There are many possible derivations:

One, the Spanish angle, comes from 'Hombre'. Also used as 'Homes'.

A second comes from the French 'Homme'.

A third from African-American culture in the 40s and 50s.

Take your pick. :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homie

Take your pick. :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homie
I'm sure I fall into this category

It is generally used to refer to any black person who is seen wearing a numbered jersy, pants pulled down six to eight inches below the belt line, and a rag tied around their head.

:rolleyes:

Maybe Wo needs to rethink

Col

Quote:
It is generally used to refer to any black person who is seen wearing a numbered jersy, pants pulled down six to eight inches below the belt line, and a rag tied around their head.

I'm sure I fall into this category
:rolleyes:

Maybe Wo needs to rethink

Col

Perhaps, but I've never seen a picture of you. :D

Perhaps, but I've never seen a picture of you. :D
Here you go.

Col

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5507d8030f.jpg

Okay, he definitely needs to rethink the skin colour and the jersey, but you could easily have taken the rag off your head (and who knows what height your pants are set at?) :D

and you have the rag in the wrong place, it is supposed to be around your head, not around your neck :p

(and who knows what height your pants are set at?) :D
Pants Matt? thats rather personal isn't it? or do you mean trousers

You're turning into a Yank Matt - they're like the Borg in Star Trek, they'll take you over and control your thoughts. . . . . . . .

Col

Pants Matt? thats rather personal isn't it? or do you mean trousers

You're turning into a Yank Matt - they're like the Borg in Star Trek, they'll take you over and control your thoughts. . . . . . . .

Col

Ah the Borg, At long last humans behaving as they should.

Pants Matt? thats rather personal isn't it? or do you mean trousers

You're turning into a Yank Matt - they're like the Borg in Star Trek, they'll take you over and control your thoughts. . . . . . . .

Col

I used the Americanism here as it was phrased that way in the definition you posted and I didn't want to confuse any of our ex-colonial cousins.

Rest assured, I still say 'trousers', as a rule (albeit at the appropriate moments, I don't just walk around saying it).

It's what the Queen would want (God bless 'er).

I used the Americanism here as it was phrased that way in the definition you posted and I didn't want to confuse any of our ex-colonial cousins.

Rest assured, I still say 'trousers', as a rule (albeit at the appropriate moments, I don't just walk around saying it).

It's what the Queen would want (God bless 'er).
Jesus Matt - I thought you'd gone over. . . . .phew! thats ok then.

The Queen (God Bless Her) will be proud of you saying 'trousers' - I will email The Palace.

Col

edit - our ex colonials are confused enough, I agree

Jesus Matt - I thought you'd gone over. . . . .phew! thats ok then.

The Queen (God Bless Her) will be proud of you saying 'trousers' - I will email The Palace.

Col

edit - our ex colonials are confused enough, I agree

Well, we might be confused, but at least we wear our pants like men.

Well, we might be confused, but at least we wear our pants like men.
Depends on how you define men

Jsanders
Well, we might be confused, but at least we wear our pants like men.

Reply by Rich

Depends on how you define men

Great dialogue guys, is it any wonder so few people visit the forum these days.

Brian

Jsanders


Reply by Rich



Great dialogue guys, is it any wonder so few people visit the forum these days.

Brian

Sorry Brian I was trying to make a joke. Obviously I should obstain.

Jsanders


Reply by Rich



Great dialogue guys, is it any wonder so few people visit the forum these days.

Brian
You don't believe posting questions here is worthwhile then?

Sorry Brian I was trying to make a joke. Obviously I should obstain.

Sorry perhaps I should lighten up but the general tone of the thread kinda wears away at the sense of humour.

Brian

You don't believe posting questions here is worthwhile then?

What question was that?
UUps ! silly me fancy asking Rich a direct question.

brian

What question was that?
UUps ! silly me fancy asking Rich a direct question.

brian
No, you accused me of turning people away from this forum, the thread was changed in direction by an American (called Woeisme, if memory serves correct) by calling another poster Hommie or some such gibberish. You know Bri you really should read all the posts before making such accusations

No, you accused me of turning people away from this forum, the thread was changed in direction by an American (called Woeisme, if memory serves correct) by calling another poster Hommie or some such gibberish. You know Bri you really should read all the posts before making such accusations

:confused: :confused:
I haven't a clue what this answer has to do with the previous posts.
Think I'll go and have an aperitif, its makes more sense than staying on here.

Brian

:confused: :confused:
I haven't a clue what this answer has to do with the previous posts.
Think I'll go and have an aperitif, its makes more sense than staying on here.

Brian
You didn't approve of the dialogue, in my defence I merely pointed out that somebody else other than Jennifer or myself started it

:confused: :confused:
I haven't a clue what this answer has to do with the previous posts.
Think I'll go and have an aperitif, its makes more sense than staying on here.

Brian

Brain, It's alway a pleasure to have your wisdom interjected here. I bet most would prefer you to stick around. Certainly I would.

dumb american question: whats an aperitif? sp.

dumb american question: whats an aperitif? sp.

I would guess a colonostophy.

dumb american question: whats an aperitif? sp.

I would guess a colonostophy.




Great dialogue guys, is it any wonder so few people visit the forum these days.

Brian
:rolleyes:

Depends on how you define men

I don't think anyone cares what you look for in men, Richie. Thats much too personal, please refrain from leading the forum towards your possible coming out party. Besides, Colin is going to get jealous. (I know, cheap shot, I'm sorry.)

Colin, you have the temper control of a 9 year old, and I am sorry, I'll be more gentle.

I'm not worried about being branded anti-American, it's a tag that's handed out by Americans who can't stomach any criticism of the system they're brainwashed into believing is perfect

Then why bother acting offended when branded? What point are you trying to make? Already been admitted we have a gun violence problem. Already proven that is about the only thing you can complain about because almost every other crime that exists is much worse in the UK. What else are you trying to say? No-one is denying anything that is true on the US side over here, as far as I can tell.
I've never made any such suggestion or intimated it, you've chosen to interpret as such

Really?
I'll tell you another bunch who are laughing all the way to the bank - its the recipients of the $3m whose spouses died when the towers fell over on 11/9.

Your reply was:
Yes isn't it odd that a nation that was so grief struck by the events of the world trade centre was too bloody lazy to be bothered to give the dead the respect they deserved by giving it it's full title and within days reduced it to a tacky two syllables.
They want to lecture us on respect for the dead:rolleyes:

The first word of your reply was "yes".
yes (yĕs)
adv.=It is so; as you say or ask. Used to express affirmation, agreement, positive confirmation, or consent.
n., pl. yes·es.
-An affirmative or consenting reply.
-An affirmative vote or voter.
tr.v., yessed, yes·sing, yes·es.
-To give an affirmative reply to.
interj.-Used to express great satisfaction, approval

Sounds both suggested and intimated.

Gosh really?:rolleyes: thats why I amended my comment. What is a "homie"? As you're American, I suspect its something derogatory - you don't live in Georgia do you?

The Americans are the most polite people on this forum, Collie. Besides, you cant say you amended your comment after you used it two or three times. At that point, you just be a big boy, and say you were wrong.

but it'll help you pay the bills
Money isnt the first thing that pops in my mind after someone dies. Its most likely around the 58+ range.
America is well known for it. The gun and money rule in the USA.
Nice stereotyping there. Who are the people we are "well known" too that are giving your opinions to you?

it only seems to happen in certain cases. How much will the family of the unarmed black man get who was gunned down by the NY police last weekend get? will "the USA" have a collection for him? of course not - a) he's not a child and b) he's black - I doubt it hardly made the news outside New York

Once again, every time someone dies, you go straight to money. What is wrong with you?


I understand ok thank you. Just who the hell do you think you are???? You know nothing of my personal life - please don't preach to me about family values

If you ever had, you would understand how jacked up your point of view is. Only you and Rich are claiming money could make something that horrible alright. You look too old to be this stupid, so I'm gonna hope its stubborness and insensitivity.

I don't think anyone cares what you look for in men, Richie. .
How do you know?

Thats much too personal, please refrain from leading the forum towards your possible coming out party.
I see, so now you're imposing southern bible bashers morals on us:rolleyes:

Besides, Colin is going to get jealous. (I know, cheap shot, I'm sorry.)



Colin has a wife, what are you suggesting?




Then why bother acting offended when branded?

Because it's been used so often by Americans here it's like a well worn sock, try something new when you've run out of arguments

What point are you trying to make? Already been admitted we have a gun violence problem.

Then why not start to tackle the problem?


The first word of your reply was "yes".
yes (yĕs)
adv.=It is so; as you say or ask. Used to express affirmation, agreement, positive confirmation, or consent.
n., pl. yes·es.
-An affirmative or consenting reply.
-An affirmative vote or voter.
tr.v., yessed, yes·sing, yes·es.
-To give an affirmative reply to.
interj.-Used to express great satisfaction, approval

Sounds both suggested and intimated
So what's your problem understanding what I said in the entire statement?
Try not to just pick one word out of context.

Only you and Rich are claiming money could make something that horrible alright.
Point out where I said that!

The Americans are the most polite people on this forum,

http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/realhappy/xxrotflmao.gif

Because it's been used so often by Americans here it's like a well worn sock, try something new when you've run out of arguments


Well I guess it must be time for another of my favorite idioms.

Aren't we the black pot?

http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/realhappy/xxrotflmao.gif

Read through, seriously. Look at the American posting compaired to almost everyone else. Bod is one of the most polite people on the forum. JSanders likes irritating you as much as anyone, but pretty much always in a polite way. Brian and Matt are the nicest you guys have to offer. They are almost always polite, but any good they do is far offset by Colin and you. We have our moments, Rich, but all in all, it is clear you two set the par in rudeness.

Well I guess it must be time for another of my favorite idioms.

Aren't we the black pot?

I am sick of us being the pot, can we switch it up this time please?

I am sick of us being the pot, can we switch it up this time please?

I meant he was the pot calling the kettle black. i guess I must be showing my age again.

Depends on how you define men
And, as we have seen, how you define pants :D

I meant he was the pot calling the kettle black. i guess I must be showing my age again.

I know, and I want to be the kettle this time! My screw up there, lol, I should have been more clear.

How do you know?
Quite true....I retract my statement. I now have a much more profound understanding of you.
I see, so now you're imposing southern bible bashers morals on us:rolleyes:
Once again, I apologise, feel free to come out on the forums, if that is what your getting at...
Colin has a wife, what are you suggesting?\
That you two no longer be allowed to be "fishing buddies".
Because it's been used so often by Americans here it's like a well worn sock, try something new when you've run out of arguments.
I don't know about you, but from my understanding of socks, its hard to wear one out without wearing it to start with. Can't wear it if it doesn't fit, Richie. Take it off. :P
Then why not start to tackle the problem?.
I have asked you more than once how you would go about it. In fact, this is the fifth time. I asked what you suggest we do, considering how counterproductive your gun bans are? Great job with the bans, by the way, now only the "druggy ethnic minority" (or whatever you said) have guns. Better call your "bobbies", and tell them to bring their pressurized air cans.
So what's your problem understanding what I said in the entire statement? Try not to just pick one word out of context.
Rich, what was the word "yes" referring too in your statement. It has no place in your statement other than in the context it was percieved. Colin didn't ask a question....

Quite true....I retract my statement. I now have a much more profound understanding of you.
..
American >>>understanding>>> oxymoron

Once again, I apologise, feel free to come out on the forums, if that is what your getting at...
.
I wouldn't need to ask for your approval if I did

That you two no longer be allowed to be "fishing buddies".
Fishing is boring, I don't go anyway, so it's pointless you putting in a request to the committee

I have asked you more than once how you would go about it. In fact, this is the fifth time. I asked what you suggest we do, considering how counterproductive your gun bans are? Great job with the bans, by the way, now only the "druggy ethnic minority" (or whatever you said) have guns. Better call your "bobbies", and tell them to bring their pressurized air cans.

I told you before that you need to read more posts here, we've made numerous suggestion over the years, all dismissed by gun loving Americans.
I see you're now trying to explain the need for guns in American cities by suggesting they're full of grizzlies, mad, quite mad.

Rich, what was the word "yes" referring too in your statement. It has no place in your statement other than in the context it was percieved. Colin didn't ask a question....
That's another thing with Americans, if they don't understand that other cultures use certain words/phrases in a different manner to them they look up and take the word in it's literal sense

Only you and Rich are claiming money could make something that horrible alright.
Point out where I said that!
I note for the record that this remains unanswered

American >>>understanding>>> oxymoron
Rich>>>British>>>Unable to understand>>>moron
I wouldn't need to ask for your approval if I did
Touchy subject? If I were you I would either let this go or come out. But I am me, and not in the confused state you are in. So far, I am 100% happy with my wife, and don't see an identity crises in the future. I can't believe your defending your right to come out on the forum without my approval. You are like a 5 year old who says red every time someone says green. I make a cute little joke, and now you are trying to argue about something that has nothing to do with the thread.
Fishing is boring, I don't go anyway, so it's pointless you putting in a request to the committee
I didn't say you guys were actually fishing.
I told you before that you need to read more posts here, we've made numerous suggestion over the years, all dismissed by gun loving Americans. I see you're now trying to explain the need for guns in American cities by suggesting they're full of grizzlies, mad, quite mad.
:confused: Just saying, maybe your bobbies are so civilized, they need no guns, only air cans. No grizzlies in the city, except in the zoo, sunshine.
How would you suggest I look that up on the search? All I keep getting is your anti religious and anti-US comments. Besides, I am not a gun loving American, so try me out. I seriously think your lying. I can't find a single rational or serious solution offered by you. I ask, for the seventh time...what would you do? I note for the record that this remains unanswered.
That's another thing with Americans, if they don't understand that other cultures use certain words/phrases in a different manner to them they look up and take the word in it's literal sense
Rich, you are struggling so bad on this one, its pathetic. Yes means yes. Once again, I note for the record that this remains unanswered...what was your "yes" referring too?
yes=
• exclamation 1 used to give an affirmative response. 2 responding to someone addressing one or attracting one’s attention. 3 questioning a remark. 4 expressing delight.
• noun (pl. yeses or yesses) an affirmative answer, decision, or vote.
— ORIGIN Old English. http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/yes?view=uk

I note for the record that this remains unanswered
You suggested and "intimated" it. Remember, mister short term memory?

Originally Posted by Colon
I'll tell you another bunch who are laughing all the way to the bank - its the recipients of the $3m whose spouses died when the towers fell over on 11/9.
Your reply was:
Originally Posted by Rich
Yes, isn't it odd that a nation that was so grief struck by the events of the world trade centre was too bloody lazy to be bothered to give the dead the respect they deserved by giving it it's full title and within days reduced it to a tacky two syllables.
Who could think that money could make someone who has lost a loved one "laugh all the way to the bank"? Colin and you, it seems. Only Colin has shown some remorse in his ill-executed attempt at changing "laughing all the way to the bank" into "a wry smile". That's the closest I have ever seen either of you come to acting like a big boy and admitting you were wrong about something. You have a 25 year old kid lecturing you...and almost everyone on in the non-access forums have chastised you at least once for the way you act, except Colin, who is wrapped around your finger worse than Blair is wrapped around Bush's...almost. At some point, you have to take a step back, and say..."Is it me? Am I, Rich, the one who has been acting like an adolescent this entire time?" Let me know when your ready to hear the answer to that. Seek and ye shall find, even in a2k and above.

Rich>>>British>>>Unable to understand>>>moron

We fully understand morons, America's full of 'em

Touchy subject? If I were you I would either let this go or come out. But I am me, and not in the confused state you are in. So far, I am 100% happy with my wife, and don't see an identity crises in the future.
RL
I'm not confused about anything

I make a cute little joke,
No, you were taking the p... out of those who might be gay, for whatever reason, I suspect because it's frowned on by American society


and now you are trying to argue about something that has nothing to do with the thread.

I didn't introduce the subject, you did

Just saying, maybe your bobbies are so civilized, they need no guns
For the most part that's correct, and the way we want to keep it

Rich, you are struggling so bad on this one, its pathetic. Yes means yes. Once again, I note for the record that this remains unanswered...what was your "yes" referring too?


Yes only means yes in response to a direct question where the answer is affirmative, again you've taken it out of context, it was just a line continuum not necessarily meaning that I agreed or disagreed with the previous remark

We fully understand morons, America's full of 'em
Yes, we call them British-Americans.
I'm not confused about anything
Uh huh. Quit whining.
No, you were taking the p... out of those who might be gay, for whatever reason, I suspect because it's frowned on by American society.
Not frowned on by me, do what you need to do to be happy, as long as its consensual and legal. I support you, Rich.
I didn't introduce the subject, you did.
So now every joke made becomes an introduced subject?
For the most part that's correct, and the way we want to keep it
Then why is your crime rate so high? Not enough hair spray cans to go around?
Yes only means yes in response to a direct question where the answer is affirmative, again you've taken it out of context, it was just a line continuum not necessarily meaning that I agreed or disagreed with the previous remark
You keep stretching, your gonna pull something, lol. Drinking yet? Your having a bad day. I might leave you alone for a little while, because I doubt it is as fun for you as it is for me. I can't wait until you start answering my questions and I can trick you into having a serious discussion.

At some point, you have to take a step back, and say..."Is it me? Am I, Rich, the one who has been acting like an adolescent this entire time?" Let me know when your ready to hear the answer to that. Seek and ye shall find, even in a2k and above.
You're still clutching at straws here Wooley here's what I said

isn't it odd that a nation that was so grief struck by the events of the world trade centre was too bloody lazy to be bothered to give the dead the respect they deserved by giving it it's full title and within days reduced it to a tacky two syllables.
They want to lecture us on respect for the dead

come back and lecture me when you've looked up too bloody lazy to give the dead the respect they deserve

Yes, we call them British-Americans.

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That's because few in your country want to be know as just American, too ashamed I suppose

Uh huh. Quit whining.


You've misspelt winning
Not frowned on by me, do what you need to do to be happy, as long as its consensual and legal. I support you, Rich.



I don't need your support for anything I do or say, but I'd decline the offer anyway since you being what you are it would almost certainly come with strings attatched

So now every joke made becomes an introduced subject?


Sayeth the guy who wants to argue semantics

Then why is your crime rate so high? Not enough hair spray cans to go around?
.

As was pointed out to you by a fellow American, far lower than yours, as are gun deaths here

That's because few in your country want to be know as just American, too ashamed I suppose
Rich, try to get back on topic.
You've misspelt winning

You've misspelt "same old joke Rich uses when he is getting worked on the forum". Try to get back on topic.


I don't need your support for anything I do or say, but I'd decline the offer anyway since you being what you are it would almost certainly come with strings attatched

More stereotyping, more lack of facts. Try to get back on topic.


Sayeth the guy who wants to argue semantics

Sayeth the guy who claims when they British say "yes", it means "I don't neccassarily mean I agree with the previous statement." Your the one that argues semantics. I give definitions.



As was pointed out to you by a fellow American, far lower than yours, as are gun deaths here
Who pointed it out, and where?
(Crime in England and Wales 2004/2005) The risk of becoming a victim of crime is still historically low at 27%, around the same level as the first BCS in 1982, and one - third lower than the risk in 1995 (40%).
(2004/2005 BJS) Americans in general have a 23.3% chance at becoming a victim of crime .

Farlower?

What's 23.3% of 300,000,000 compared with 27% of 60,000,000

Oh and do try and stay on topic and stop posting silly diversions

What's 23.3% of 300,000,000 compared with 27% of 60,000,000

Oh and do try and stay on topic and stop posting silly diversions

Both sides of the fence again there Richard, percentages when it suits; and actual numbers when they work better.

What, did you think no one would catch that?

Both sides of the fence again there Richard, percentages when it suits; and actual numbers when they work better.

What, did you think no one would catch that?
Try and get back on topic:rolleyes:

I've lost track of this - especially when someone changes the UserName in quotes. I would have thought that was against forum etiquette.

Col

I would guess a colonostophy.

I've never come across this word. (Before I get labelled with posting a "worthless" comment, I have qualified in anatony and physiology.) You can have a colonoscopy or a colonostomy.

What is a colonostophy? is it a new procedure? I admit my up-to-date knowledge is a little rusty.

Col

I've lost track of this - especially when someone changes the UserName in quotes. I would have thought that was against forum etiquette.

Col
I think the crux of it is that the Americans have lost the plot

I've never come across this word. (Before I get labelled with posting a "worthless" comment, I have qualified in anatony and physiology.) You can have a colonoscopy or a colonostomy.

What is a colonostophy? is it a new procedure? I admit my up-to-date knowledge is a little rusty.

Col
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Anatony?

I think the crux of it is that the Americans have lost the plot
no change there then

Col

no change there then

Col
Well no, it's kinda odd that their leader now realises he should have listened to others and yet those posting here simply refuse to accept that a change is required

Well no, it's kinda odd that their leader now realises he should have listened to others and yet those posting here simply refuse to accept that a change is required
or they refuse to accept anyone elses opinions.
Often people on the "outside" can see the issues more clearly, yet those on the "inside" are so insular they become totally oblivious to reality.

Col

or they refuse to accept anyone elses opinions.
Often people on the "outside" can see the issues more clearly, yet those on the "inside" are so insular they become totally oblivious to reality.

Col

For the most part I'd say your opinions are fine and most of us agree change is needed. It's your rude delivery that needs some work ;)

For the most part I'd say your opinions are fine and most of us agree change is needed. It's your rude delivery that needs some work ;)
We borrow the American method, a smoking gun:cool:

We borrow the American method, a smoking gun:cool:

Do you have any idea how tiresome your hate stuff has become to most of us?

It's your rude delivery that needs some work ;)
Sometimes its the only way certain people can understand, and even then its usually retaliatory.

Col

Do you have any idea how tiresome your hate stuff has become to most of us?
I was praising the USA only 2 days ago.

Just what the hell will please you? For Rich and I to drop dead I suppose

Col

Do you have any idea how tiresome your hate stuff has become to most of us?
I think I've mentioned this before but I don't have hatred in my heart for anybody, not even Americans:p

I was praising the USA only 2 days ago.


I'm guessing that was about as sincere as a GWB ..... Never mind :p


Just what the hell will please you? For Rich and I to drop dead I suppose

Col

Not at all - I actually enjoy sparring with you guys most of the time. I would never wish any harm on you two despite my often rude remarks. :o

I think I've mentioned this before but I don't have hatred in my heart for anybody, not even Americans:p

The least you could do is find some new reasons to hate us - I'm sure there must be some un-turned stones...:D

The least you could do is find some new reasons to hate us - I'm sure there must be some un-turned stones...:D
That'll come when the next moron takes over from Bush:mad: :p

That'll come when the next moron takes over from Bush:mad: :p

It won't come a minute too soon....:rolleyes:

It won't come a minute too soon....:rolleyes:
One can but hope, the question is of course can he undo all the damage Bush has done or will America retreat into isolationism?

... or will America retreat into isolationism?

I doubt it, as that probably wouldn't be in the best interest of big business...:rolleyes:

I'm guessing that was about as sincere as a GWB ..... Never mind :p
So me saying that the USA is extremely quick to respond with help /food / medical care in the aftermath of a natural disaster - which is true, they save many hundreds of lives. You now think that the USA's reaction is insincere?

Col

You boys sure do have a lot of energy.

You boys sure do have a lot of energy.
That's because we're not fat Americans

So me saying that the USA is extremely quick to respond with help /food / medical care in the aftermath of a natural disaster - which is true, they save many hundreds of lives.

I'm not quite sure about the structure of this sentence so I'm inclined to ask for clarification - It started out like a question then kinda ended up like a statement of some kind...:confused:

You now think that the USA's reaction is insincere?

Col

Again, This is kinda gray - Do I think that when we (the USA) assist another country in time of need, is it insincere? Well, I suppose, if I catch your drift(?), some of those involved are primarily motivated by the desire to help. But I'm sure others could have other motives, say like financial or political motives...

That's because we're not fat Americans

Was that fun for you?

Was that fun for you?
No it's a hard task having to bring you guys the truth, but somebody's got to do it

No it's a hard task having to bring you guys the truth, but somebody's got to do it

Oh dear.... R vs J. Time to tune out again - ;)

I'm not quite sure about the structure of this sentence so I'm inclined to ask for clarification -
I'll try to make it simple for you then.

I said I was praising the USA only 2 days ago.

You said
I'm guessing that was about as sincere as a GWB ..... Never mind

So I'm saying, what is insincere about the USA going to save and help people?

I couldn't quite work out why you would think that about the USA's rescue efforts - thats all. Unless of course you think there is an ulterior motive on the USA's part, which I would suggest is not the case.

Col

I'll try to make it simple for you then.

I said I was praising the USA only 2 days ago.



Oh, ok. So now let me make it simple for you: I was going to say that your praise of the US was probably not sincere. (Can we do another topic - this one is starting to give me a headache :p )

BTW - What's 'anatony'? I googled it and couldn't find anything - ? :confused:

BTW - What's 'anatony'? I googled it and couldn't find anything - ? :confused:
An ancient Celtic word that long disappeared from the English language, basically it means qualified to educate Americans

An ancient Celtic word that long disappeared from the English language, basically it means qualified to educate Americans

Laughed out loud on that one :p :p - Good one :p :p - You're on top of your game today;)

Laughed out loud on that one :p :p - Good one :p :p - You're on top of your game today;)

Yes, liked that one. :D

Yes, liked that one. :D
He took the wind right out of my sail....:p :p

COl, I think when Ken said it was insincere, he was referring to your comment about his apology and he was having a little jab back at you like you had to him. I dont think it was meant to say that the efforts of the United States and Great Britain in times of crisis and disaster was insincere.

just my take on the whole exchange

COl, I think when Ken said it was insincere, he was referring to your comment about his apology and he was having a little jab back at you like you had to him. I dont think it was meant to say that the efforts of the United States and Great Britain in times of crisis and disaster was insincere.

just my take on the whole exchange

Yes that was it. Good to know someone got it...whew :o

Not sure what's eating at my buddy Col these days...:(

Oh, ok. So now let me make it simple for you: I was going to say that your praise of the US was probably not sincere.
In that case I shall not praise the USA again.

Its sad that you now show that you cannot take a) constructive critisism, b) constructive praise, and c) constructive opinions.

Col

Yes that was it. Good to know someone got it...(
Ken has many times apologised and said sorry for comments he has made then continues on the same. There is no reason to believe the recent one will be any different - thats why it is insincere.

Its like a Roman Catholic confessional - say you're sorry then carry on the next day as normal - total waste of time

Col

In that case I shall not praise the USA again.


Will you then stop critizing the USA as well?


Its sad that you now show that you cannot take a) constructive critisism, b) constructive praise, and c) constructive opinions.

Col

It's just as sad that you don't realize how rude and bitter you can be at times...:(

Will you then stop critizing the USA as well?
I do - in the mornings (UK time), the mornings are full of jovial friendly banter. Its in the afternoons (UK time) that things deteriorate on the forums for some reason

It's just as sad that you don't realize how rude and bitter you can be at times...:(
When one is chastised for making constructive comments / opinions etc. one can become that way - as you well know

Col

Ken has many times apologised and said sorry for comments he has made then continues on the same. There is no reason to believe the recent one will be any different - thats why it is insincere.

Its like a Roman Catholic confessional - say you're sorry then carry on the next day as normal - total waste of time

Col

I said I was sorry for calling you a horses ass, which is still a mystery to me why it's wrong for me to call you a name but it's ok for you to do it.

Then I said I was sorry I made the comments about your opinion was worthless regarding children as you obliviously have had personal problems in that area.

Those are the only two times that I can remember - :confused:

You on the other hand, refer to your constant hate USA remarks as 'constructive' and have never apologized for anything you've ever said as far as I can remember. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I do - in the mornings (UK time), the mornings are full of jovial friendly banter. Its in the afternoons (UK time) that things deteriorate on the forums for some reason


Yeah yeah yeah... You're kinda beating that one in the ground as well. FYI - The mood seems to take swing for the better when you leave as well. ;)

I said I was sorry for calling you a horses ass
but then continued to do so.
which is still a mystery to me why it's wrong for me to call you a name but it's ok for you to do it
reference needed, I cannot recall calling anyone such names except in retaliation perhaps. Oh, I did call GWB a tit the other day but thats ok I think.

Then I said I was sorry I made the comments about your opinion was worthless regarding children as you obliviously have had personal problems in that area.
not necessarily - I never said anything about it

You on the other hand, refer to your constant hate USA remarks as 'constructive'
not hate remarks - merely pointing out idiosyncrasies and discrepancies in what is reality and not.

and have never apologized for anything you've ever said as far as I can remember.
should the need arise - I will - but it hasn't yet

Col

I can't believe two grown men are carrying on like this... Look I said I was sorry. If that's not enough I give up... :o

I can't believe two grown men are carrying on like this... Look I said I was sorry. If that's not enough I give up... :o
You boys sure do seem to have a lot of energy.

I can't believe two grown men are carrying on like this... Look I said I was sorry. If that's not enough I give up... :o


Did I read you correctly earlier, when you said something about R and J are at it, its time to tune out?

Richie boy and I take second fiddle to you and Coleen any day. :p

You boys sure do seem to have a lot of energy.

I'm about to run out of steam... Don't know what else to do:confused:

Did I read you correctly earlier. when you said something about R and J are at it, its time to tune out.

Richie boy and I take second fiddle to you and Coleen any day.:p

I'll try to find some kind of consolation in you words...;) :p

Did I read you correctly earlier, when you said something about R and J are at it, its time to tune out?

Richie boy and I take second fiddle to you and Coleen any day. :p
If you mean arguing - I haven't even warmed up yet - you lot are ameteurs

Col

Guys,

I have read all 63 pages, yes that's right 63 pages, of this thread, and I cannot believe how much anamosity there is between two groups of people.
There are things in the US that us Brits will never understabnd or agree with, likewise you guys over the water do not like everything about the UK.

I am a Brit but I myself do not like everything about the UK, taxes too high, crime rate too high, respect for fellow man too low, I could go on but won't.

If we couls show a little respect for each other the wolrd would be a better place, (No. I am not some kind of religious zealot), I am just using common sense and trying to achieve a better way of life for my family.

If that is wrong, then I am afraid that I do not want to be right!!

Guys,

I have read all 63 pages, yes that's right 63 pages, of this thread, and I cannot believe how much anamosity there is between two groups of people.
There are things in the US that us Brits will never understabnd or agree with, likewise you guys over the water do not like everything about the UK.

I am a Brit but I myself do not like everything about the UK, taxes too high, crime rate too high, respect for fellow man too low, I could go on but won't.

If we couls show a little respect for each other the wolrd would be a better place, (No. I am not some kind of religious zealot), I am just using common sense and trying to achieve a better way of life for my family.

If that is wrong, then I am afraid that I do not want to be right!!

Could you be a bit more specific as to what each side should do to help matters?

Could you be a bit more specific as to what each side should do to help matters?

Ken,

I don't have all the answers, if I did I would be a world leader or something, I just feel that people should have more respect for each other.

I do fear that the US gun culture is starting to encroach on UK life, although we have a huge problem here with knife crime and sex crimes.

The latter being something that you guys seem to be better at controlling than us, for example you are much stricter on child sex offenders than we are, we pander with the idea that these people can be cured. Which in my mind is rubbish. I am hetrosexual, I am not going to have counselling and become homosexual, you get my point.

There are lots of things that we can learn from each others culture that can make each country better. A good example is how you have cleaned up the streets of New York, we could learn a lot from that on how to tackle crime here.

I don't have all the answers, if I did I would be a world leader or something, I just feel that people should have more respect for each other.

That way of thinking is probably what excludes you from becoming one. ;)

That way of thinking is probably what excludes you from becoming one. ;)


Matt,

That is very deep and though provoking.

mmmmmm I must go and meditate :D

Ken,

I don't have all the answers, if I did I would be a world leader or something, I just feel that people should have more respect for each other.

I do fear that the US gun culture is starting to encroach on UK life, although we have a huge problem here with knife crime and sex crimes.

The latter being something that you guys seem to be better at controlling than us, for example you are much stricter on child sex offenders than we are, we pander with the idea that these people can be cured. Which in my mind is rubbish. I am hetrosexual, I am not going to have counselling and become homosexual, you get my point.

There are lots of things that we can learn from each others culture that can make each country better. A good example is how you have cleaned up the streets of New York, we could learn a lot from that on how to tackle crime here.

Scott, It's reassuring to have yet another typically pleasant British poster voice your opinions without being rude and condescending. I am curious as to how you think our gun problems are affecting you in the UK?

If you mean arguing - I haven't even warmed up yet - you lot are ameteurs

Col

'ameteurs' :confused:

I'm guessing this is something like anatony where you some how get 'qualified' in it? :p :p :p

That way of thinking is probably what excludes you from becoming one. ;)

You beat me to it. Matt.

The latter being something that you guys seem to be better at controlling than us, for example you are much stricter on child sex offenders than we are, we pander with the idea that these people can be cured. Which in my mind is rubbish.
If only that were the case, it's a myth portrayed by an hysterical press here. The US has the same problems as the UK regarding sexual abuse, it also has a similar approach to the problem

http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html

Ken,

I don't have all the answers, if I did I would be a world leader or something, I just feel that people should have more respect for each other.

I do fear that the US gun culture is starting to encroach on UK life, although we have a huge problem here with knife crime and sex crimes.

The latter being something that you guys seem to be better at controlling than us, for example you are much stricter on child sex offenders than we are, we pander with the idea that these people can be cured. Which in my mind is rubbish. I am hetrosexual, I am not going to have counselling and become homosexual, you get my point.

There are lots of things that we can learn from each others culture that can make each country better. A good example is how you have cleaned up the streets of New York, we could learn a lot from that on how to tackle crime here.
Wow, I like this Scott guy. Lets put ol Rich and Colin on the backburner, and talk with the Brit who doesn't rip out pictures of the American flag in every magazine they see it in.
We obviously have a gun problem in the US, and from what I can tell, in almost every case where gun bans are introduced, it has almost no effect, and in some cases, an opposite effect as it was intended too. Looking at that evidence, I can't see it working for us. I think personally that much more strict laws for any type of serious violence will help stem the flow. It has to be apparent to the criminal element, as well as the potential criminal element, that if they live that life, and they ever get caught, their lives are over as they know it. I am not saying kill them all, by any means, but like you said....usually, there is no "curing" these types of people.

Hey Wooley, how about you stop the sale of guns to any Tom, Dick or Harry at fairs to start with.

If only that were the case, it's a myth portrayed by an hysterical press here. The US has the same problems as the UK regarding sexual abuse, it also has a similar approach to the problem

http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html

That was established mid 1997, and though it has good information, I wonder if there is a more recent one. I am sure things have gotten better in both countries, but I would like to see an updated version so we can discuss it with proper information. See? Polite! :D

Wow, I like this Scott guy. Lets put ol Rich and Colin on the backburner, and talk with the Brit who doesn't rip out pictures of the American flag in every magazine they see it in.
We obviously have a gun problem in the US, and from what I can tell, in almost every case where gun bans are introduced, it has almost no effect, and in some cases, an opposite effect as it was intended too. Looking at that evidence, I can't see it working for us. I think personally that much more strict laws for any type of serious violence will help stem the flow. It has to be apparent to the criminal element, as well as the potential criminal element, that if they live that life, and they ever get caught, their lives are over as they know it. I am not saying kill them all, by any means, but like you said....usually, there is no "curing" these types of people.

I say get rid of capital punishment and adapt the British method of throwing them into a dungeon; never to be let out again.

See ya later, bye.

Hey Wooley, how about you stop the sale of guns to any Tom, Dick or Harry at fairs to start with.
You see, Scott? Colin called it retaliation. Be constructive. Be one with the Ellen DeGeneres commercial. Calm...

They were the latest stats I could find, what I do know is that the vast majority of this crap occurs within the family unit and very often goes unreported.
What I also know is that the figure for child deaths in the UK by strangers has remained almost constant for the last 50 yrs, aside from some fluctuations.
The tabloid rags would have us believe that it's a new threat to our children, it isn't

I say get rid of capital punishment and adapt the British method of throwing them into a dungeon; never to be let out again.

See ya later, bye.
Sometimes that backfires, ever read "The Count of Monte Cristo"? lol Just kidding, I like that idea, actually. It's efficient and effective. I am a calm guy, and not prone to rash judgements on people, but if there is one crime that disgust me, its child molestation. THOSE criminals should have their eyes removed so they can never see anything they shouldn't have again. Then put them to work picking up trash on the sides of the highway with little supervision. Oops! There goes 012232434!

You see, Scott? Colin called it retaliation. Be constructive. Be one with the Ellen DeGeneres commercial. Calm...
Offer a suggestion and see what response we get from Americans, you asked for constructive answers and then when we offer them they are dismissed as crap.
Like I've said to you, I'm not bothered and will return to normal because you're not the slightest bit interested in outside opinion, but then Americans never have. Nothing new there then:rolleyes:

Oops! There goes 012232434!
Don't get this bit? :confused:

Its not owning guns that's the problem, its carrying them outside of your own home. What is needed is strong stop and search laws and anybody carrying a gun outside their home has both index fingures cut off, and if that doesn't work continue till all are gone.

Brian

you asked for constructive answers and then when we offer them they are dismissed as crap.:rolleyes:

You wouldn't know how to make a constructive comment if it bit you on the ass.

I have a question for you Richard.

If you fail at something by doing it incorrectly, will working harder at it next time make it succeed?

How can you continue to post such drabble and expect anyone to take you seriously?

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I say get rid of capital punishment and adapt the British method of throwing them into a dungeon; never to be let out again
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I am personally of the opinion that we need more capital punishment. our prisons are over full we have people who are clearly guilty on death row earning upper level degrees from colleges while they wait the 15 or 20 years the entire appeals process takes. I think Texas has it right, if you commit a violent crime, rape murder etc and there are more than 3 eye witnesses or video tape then you dont get an appeal you go straight to the front of the line for the electric chair, gas chamber, needle. but again that is my opinion take it as you will

I think we've had this capital punishment discussion before, no?:confused:

I think we've had this capital punishment discussion before, no?:confused:

sorry if I am dredging up another thread. am fairly new here and all

Nah, it's okay. I just remember discussing it before and now I can't find the thread... :o

Nah, it's okay. I just remember discussing it before and now I can't find the thread... :o

If we were to eliminate redundency on this site we would all need to go home.

You wouldn't know how to make a constructive comment if it bit you on the ass.



And you don't have the intelligence to answer it

And you don't have the intelligence to answer it
And a good morning to you too.

I think we've had this capital punishment discussion before, no?:confused:
Yes and the consensus was that capital punishment is based on good old fashioned American christian principles:rolleyes:

Well I made a "constructive" comment about takling the shooting/gun problem and it was ignored,:confused: , was it too way out, unworkable, so unbelievably good :)

Brian

Its not owning guns that's the problem, its carrying them outside of your own home. What is needed is strong stop and search laws and anybody carrying a gun outside their home has both index fingures cut off, and if that doesn't work continue till all are gone.

Brian

I'm sorry Brian, I thought it was on par with my dungeon post. I don’t think Westerners will accept dismemberment.

Hey Wooley, how about you stop the sale of guns to any Tom, Dick or Harry at fairs to start with.

So, this was your attempt at constructive criticism? It's all in the delivery. You start out by butchering my name yet again, and yet you want people to take you seriously?

Don't get this bit? :confused:
Sorry, that was supposed to be the prison number, indicating that since he was blind, that he wandered into traffic and was tragically squished.

Its not owning guns that's the problem, its carrying them outside of your own home. What is needed is strong stop and search laws and anybody carrying a gun outside their home has both index fingures cut off, and if that doesn't work continue till all are gone.

Brian
Sounds like it could work, but like JSanders said, it would never make it into the lawbooks. I think almost rediculous punishment for violent crime would work, but wouldn't go over well just for possession. Civilian private eyes and high level security officers would complain. Maybe have much more strict permit requirements and if you ever are convicted of a serious violent crime, you have to pay child support for an orphan till they become 18. I know the two have nothing to do with one another, but I bet it would work, lol. Random idea, I know it would never go over, and thats probably a good thing, but there has to be a way we can use these stupid violent people to benefit society in some way. A two bird with one stone type thing.