scott-atkinson
12-05-2006, 01:43 AM
Guys,
Sorry, just wanted to be the 1000th thread on the list.
How shallow and immature is that :o)
Sorry, just wanted to be the 1000th thread on the list.
How shallow and immature is that :o)
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View Full Version : Shootings in US schools scott-atkinson 12-05-2006, 01:43 AM Guys, Sorry, just wanted to be the 1000th thread on the list. How shallow and immature is that :o) Matt Greatorex 12-05-2006, 05:23 AM Guys, Sorry, just wanted to be the 1000th thread on the list. How shallow and immature is that :o) Very. You're going to fit right in. :D nikkypickles 12-05-2006, 08:44 AM Wow, I like this Scott guy. Lets put ol Rich and Colin on the backburner, and talk with the Brit who doesn't rip out pictures of the American flag in every magazine they see it in. Er... there is more than one Brit on the forum who has been losing patience with the whole Anglo-American argument. It's just that some of us have lost patience and started using the ignore list and only bob back in to the hot topics out of idle curiosity. scott-atkinson 12-05-2006, 08:57 AM Er... there is more than one Brit on the forum who has been losing patience with the whole Anglo-American argument. It's good to see another guy who doesn't hate our American cousins. Rich 12-05-2006, 10:37 AM It's good to see another guy who doesn't hate our American cousins. It's a shame that you choose to use their terminology though Brianwarnock 12-05-2006, 02:38 PM It's good to see another guy who doesn't hate our American cousins. Actually it is only Rich , and Col to a lesser degree, who spit out spite at america and americans at every opportunity so that every thread starts to sound the same. this is sad as occasionally they have something sensible to say but it gets lost in the venom and general rubbish that pours forth. Brian jsanders 12-05-2006, 04:57 PM Actually it is only Rich , and Col to a lesser degree, who spit out spite at america and americans at every opportunity so that every thread starts to sound the same. this is sad as occasionally they have something sensible to say but it gets lost in the venom and general rubbish that pours forth. Brian It's about done me in. Rich 12-05-2006, 10:49 PM It's about done me in. Well Americans aren't exactly known for staying the course, are they? Rich 12-05-2006, 10:54 PM Actually it is only Rich , and Col to a lesser degree, who spit out spite at america and americans at every opportunity so that every thread starts to sound the same. this is sad as occasionally they have something sensible to say but it gets lost in the venom and general rubbish that pours forth. Brian I attack a culture and many of the things it stands for, unlike many American posters here who resort to personal attacks on me. Still what's new. Go back and search the archives for a definitive list. Ask jennifer why he deleted the latest puerile attack on me at the weekend:rolleyes: Rich 12-06-2006, 12:16 AM Actually it is only Rich , and Col to a lesser degree, who spit out spite at america and americans at every opportunity so that every thread starts to sound the same. this is sad as occasionally they have something sensible to say but it gets lost in the venom and general rubbish that pours forth. Brian One minute you accuse me of anti-Americanism in the next breath you accuse me of mediocrity when entering into light hearted banter with them, there is just no pleasing some is there nikkypickles 12-06-2006, 01:46 AM It's good to see another guy who doesn't hate our American cousins. Er.... girl thank you so very much! :D ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 01:50 AM Er.... girl thank you so very much! :D as your comment re the teenage wet blouses testify;) Col Brianwarnock 12-06-2006, 02:23 AM One minute you accuse me of anti-Americanism in the next breath you accuse me of mediocrity when entering into light hearted banter with them, there is just no pleasing some is there Mediocrity? Where did i accuse you of that? It was the light hearted banter that attracted me to the Watercooler, but that seems a long time ago, now it all snipimg at America in every thread wether pertinent to the discussion or not, and I believe that it is up to the recipient to decide if is light hearted or not and the americans have made it plain that they take the attacks as personal affronts, as I also think the continual misuse of names is.... jenniffer??? and don't try to kid us Wooley was atypo it happened too many times. Brian Rich 12-06-2006, 02:36 AM Mediocrity? Where did i accuse you of that? It was the light hearted banter that attracted me to the Watercooler, but that seems a long time ago, now it all snipimg at America in every thread wether pertinent to the discussion or not, and I believe that it is up to the recipient to decide if is light hearted or not and the americans have made it plain that they take the attacks as personal affronts, as I also think the continual misuse of names is.... jenniffer??? and don't try to kid us Wooley was atypo it happened too many times. Brian Well I'm not sure if it's jennifer or josephine and wooley started it by calling me richtoven or some such drivel scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 02:40 AM I also think the continual misuse of names is.... jenniffer??? and don't try to kid us Wooley was atypo it happened too many times. Well I'm not sure if it's jennifer or josephine and wooley started it by calling me richtoven or some such drivel Now Now Children. ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 02:54 AM Well I'm not sure if it's jennifer or josephine and wooley started it by calling me richtoven or some such drivel I started using "Josie" ages and ages ago, then it got changed to "Josephine", but "Jenny" was easier to type. I've also used "Wo" instead of Worley for the same reason Anyway, at least Rich and I don't call people by rude or insulting names - that seems to be the standard for some people on the forums. Col Brianwarnock 12-06-2006, 02:59 AM I started using "Josie" ages and ages ago, then it got changed to "Josephine", but "Jenny" was easier to type. I've also used "Wo" instead of Worley for the same reason Col I guess I'm mistaken, I always thought that Jsanders was a he. I don't object to Wo, iits like Col or Bri etc. Brian Rich 12-06-2006, 03:02 AM I guess I'm mistaken, I always thought that Jsanders was a he. Brian Are you sure? The poster in question fights like a girl ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 03:05 AM I guess I'm mistaken, I always thought that Jsanders was a he. who knows? although now you mention it, was there a reference at some point to a wife or girlfriend? Hmmm, second thoughts, still could be a female though these days:rolleyes: Col Brianwarnock 12-06-2006, 03:07 AM Anyway, at least Rich and I don't call people by rude or insulting names - that seems to be the standard for some people on the forums. Col I can't find the post now but I think it was shortly after Worley arrived on the scene I attacked him for personal abuse of Rich and said that rich never indulged in personal abuse, and a battery of Americans replied that they took the continual attacks on their country and culture as personal abuse. Brian Rich 12-06-2006, 03:13 AM I can't find the post now but I think it was shortly after Worley arrived on the scene I attacked him for personal abuse of Rich and said that rich never indulged in personal abuse, and a battery of Americans replied that they took the continual attacks on their country and culture as personal abuse. Brian They call it anti-Americanism, seems like it's made it into the English language as well ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 03:23 AM I can't find the post now but I think it was shortly after Worley arrived on the scene I attacked him for personal abuse of Rich and said that rich never indulged in personal abuse, and a battery of Americans replied that they took the continual attacks on their country and culture as personal abuse. Wo has done it to me too. He's harmless at the mo, he hasn't dismissed a comment as worthless or resulted to offensive name calling (to me anyway) I like that Bri - a "battery of Americans":D - like chickens, all being told when to eat, when to do this, do that, what to believe etc etc They shouldn't be so bloody touchy, there are many posts over the years where Rich and I have said its not necessarily the American populace we knock. Its more the hypocritical Yankee culture and blinkered views, then when you mention it, they get all pissy about it:rolleyes: Col jsanders 12-06-2006, 04:38 AM I attack a culture and many of the things it stands for, unlike many American posters here who resort to personal attacks on me. Still what's new. Go back and search the archives for a definitive list. Ask jennifer why he deleted the latest puerile attack on me at the weekend:rolleyes: Because I feel sorry for you. jsanders 12-06-2006, 04:53 AM Well I'm not sure if it's jennifer or josephine and wooley started it by calling me richtoven or some such drivel I think I said Richard, and Richie Boy, but actually the use of jen, jenifer,josey, none of them really bother me. What bothers me is your NEVER admitting your faults, and your willingness to point out everyone else’s. The sad part about it, is that everyone else that I know, even the people on this forum, which could hide behind the net, own up to their fallacies. You however, are obstinate to the point of pity. Pity, what else could anyone feel for you? And after a while of pitying someone, most people start to despise them, and certainly the one being pitied despises, because he realizes that it’s his own short comings that make him pitied. So he despises himself and the others for pointing it out to him. I mean this with all sincerity, I truly pity you, your inability to have a genuine social life and your inability to admit your own faults. Call me a quitter. I saw a really interesting documentary a few years ago on African plains animals. The gazelles lost a member of their herd to a predator. They all looked back with a moment of sadness, and then turned and continued their flight. That’s how I feel right now. There is no hope in having a friendship with you. What a shame, I so love good friendships. jsanders 12-06-2006, 04:57 AM Wo has done it to me too. He's harmless at the mo, he hasn't dismissed a comment as worthless or resulted to offensive name calling (to me anyway) I like that Bri - a "battery of Americans":D - like chickens, all being told when to eat, when to do this, do that, what to believe etc etc They shouldn't be so bloody touchy, there are many posts over the years where Rich and I have said its not necessarily the American populace we knock. Its more the hypocritical Yankee culture and blinkered views, then when you mention it, they get all pissy about it:rolleyes: Col What do you know about America? What we mostly get from your rather whimsical observations is that you really don’t have a clue. Like does it get cold in the US? Are you kidding? The US is almost as large as Europe It stretches from nearly the equator to the artic circle. We have mountains 15,000 feet tall, of course it gets cold. Col, I live near Washington, get on a plane and come vist. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 05:17 AM I like that Bri - a "battery of Americans":D - like chickens, all being told when to eat, when to do this, do that, what to believe etc etc Why do you have to make comments like this? Feel free to take your silly punches at me but I don't think Cindy, Pat, Idjit or the rest of the Americans around here deserve to be considered 'Chickens' ? Why don't you tell us what's really eating away at you Col. I'm guessing it's because you feel life has dealt you a bad hand in general and we're a convenient outlet. ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 05:21 AM What do you know about America? What we mostly get from your rather whimsical observations is that you really don’t have a clue. Like does it get cold in the US? Are you kidding? The US is almost as large as Europe It stretches from nearly the equator to the artic circle. We have mountains 15,000 feet tall, of course it gets cold. Col, I live near Washington, get on a plane and come vist. Bloody hell Josiah - you really are pissy about something. Listen, I commented that one may not associate places (like Tulsa) with being cold. I did not say "does it get cold in the US?" I am not that naive thank you. Please reference where I asked that question. If you can't find it then either shut up or don't misquote me. Sadly Jeremy, you are turning to a Ken clone who feels able to dismiss a comment without a thought, but worse still you even get the quote wrong, then procede to chastise that [wrong] quote. And you've got the nerve to go on at Rich and I???????? Now just sod off back to your cabin under 30ft of snow. Col nikkypickles 12-06-2006, 05:26 AM Can I just point out that a comment about does it get cold in the US is a little bonkers - but our view of America tends to be shaped by whatever media you send us. And I think the comment about chickens could just as easily have been made about sheep (except we have battery hens, not battery sheep, hence the comment) in that US and UK alike, when one starts, there is often a flock that follows suit. Maybe to tar everyone with the same brush is unfair, but that seems to be how these forums are heading. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 05:32 AM ...Maybe to tar everyone with the same brush is unfair, but that seems to be how these forums are heading. Do feel Col is a bit rude with his anti-American comments? scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 05:37 AM Do feel Col is a bit rude with his anti-American comments? Ken, Although I don't necassarily share Colins views, it is his right to express him self. If you don't like it you don't have to listen. jsanders 12-06-2006, 05:38 AM Bloody hell Josiah - you really are pissy about something. Listen, I commented that one may not associate places (like Tulsa) with being cold. I did not say "does it get cold in the US?" I am not that naive thank you. Please reference where I asked that question. If you can't find it then either shut up or don't misquote me. Sadly Jeremy, you are turning to a Ken clone who feels able to dismiss a comment without a thought, but worse still you even get the quote wrong, then procede to chastise that [wrong] quote. And you've got the nerve to go on at Rich and I???????? Now just sod off back to your cabin under 30ft of snow. Col Well it's good to see you returning the good humor, in the manor in which it was meant. Actually Col, I really was just razzing you. I know, you know shit from shinola. The invite stands though, come to DC, you’ll love it. ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 05:46 AM Do feel Col is a bit rude with his anti-American comments? A comment that casts a different view as seen from the "outside" is only branded anti-American by Americans. Its well known that some Americans are not aware of what lies beyond their border, Rich and I are on a mission of education to show you the real world, not your safe diluted one And you have the nerve to call me "a bit rude"???? . . . . . . . jesus h christ, thats a laugh:rolleyes: talk about hypocritical - I think you have a degree in it Col Matt Greatorex 12-06-2006, 05:50 AM He's harmless at the mo Isn't that because he's off skiing somewhere? :confused: KenHigg 12-06-2006, 05:50 AM Ken, Although I don't necassarily share Colins views, it is his right to express him self. If you don't like it you don't have to listen. Good point. But you avoided the question. scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 06:00 AM Good point. But you avoided the question. Ok I won't avoid the question. Here is my opinion. I feel that the US and the UK lead the world in the way things should be from the US and UK point of view. Both countries are very rich, the US due to its size, the UK due to it's governements stealth tax policies. I feel that GWB is a dangerous man, but I do believe that he is on the correct path with regards to world terrorism, even if between him and TB they have made a right hash of the Iraqi issue. I do believe that the UK has a lot more in commom with our US cousins than we do with the rest of Europe, and I feel that one day the UK will leave the european union as it will just become a beaurocratic mess. I believe that the US and the UK should stop supporting the Isreali government and I believe that Isreali officials should be charged with war crimes with the invasion of Lebanon which in my mind was completely unjustified. Some people will shout comparisons with Iraq, but I believe that the governments of the US and UK were acting on behalf of what they believed to be credible evidence on WMD in the country. You asked for it so you have got it. I feel that our countries should stand united. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 06:13 AM Ok I won't avoid the question. Here is my opinion. I feel that the US and the UK lead the world in the way things should be from the US and UK point of view. Both countries are very rich, the US due to its size, the UK due to it's governements stealth tax policies. I feel that GWB is a dangerous man, but I do believe that he is on the correct path with regards to world terrorism, even if between him and TB they have made a right hash of the Iraqi issue. I do believe that the UK has a lot more in commom with our US cousins than we do with the rest of Europe, and I feel that one day the UK will leave the european union as it will just become a beaurocratic mess. I believe that the US and the UK should stop supporting the Isreali government and I believe that Isreali officials should be charged with war crimes with the invasion of Lebanon which in my mind was completely unjustified. Some people will shout comparisons with Iraq, but I believe that the governments of the US and UK were acting on behalf of what they believed to be credible evidence on WMD in the country. You asked for it so you have got it. I feel that our countries should stand united. I must admit that I agree with your comments. But my question was 'Do feel Col is a bit rude with his anti-American comments?' Why can't he post his opinions like you have just done and stop running people out of the forum with his style of comments like: Now just sod off back to your cabin under 30ft of snow. Most religious cult people (like christians)... I like that Bri - a "battery of Americans" - like chickens, all being told when to eat, when to do this, do that, what to believe etc etc FoFa 12-06-2006, 06:16 AM Sadly Jeremy, you are turning to a Ken clone who feels able to dismiss a comment without a thought ROFL, snort, choke, tears running down cheek, ROFL This from a Rich clone!!!!!! Oh dang, I digress. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 06:19 AM ROFL, snort, choke, tears running down cheek, ROFL This from a Rich clone!!!!!! Oh dang, I digress. Besides, I only dismissed them after considerable thought;) :p :p ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 06:20 AM Actually Col, I really was just razzing you. ah yes, the standard American cop out statement. It saves admitting you got it wrong. I know, you know shit from shinola. you sadly know nothing The invite stands though, come to DC, you’ll love it. yeah right - and get shot by American cops? oh no, I'm not black, maybe I'll be ok. Col FoFa 12-06-2006, 06:27 AM OK, OK, I must admit. This is getting a little deep. First you must admit, Rich does tend to try to upset folks when he does not need to. I am not going to quote any posts, if you have been here you know. Or why else does he bring up religion in a context that has nothing to do with it in a thread that has nothing to do with it (just as an example). He is purposely trying to push peoples buttons. I would bet that Rich does not even believe that, I think Rich is just instigating things for his enjoyment. And to top that off I am beginning to wonder if COL and Rich are the same person with a different ID to force the issues for his specific enjoyment. Also have you noticed that Rich is always asking for "stats" to back up what you say, yet he hardly ever posts any or uses old ones that are out of date and do not pertain to the subject matter usually? And if you do, he just then ignores your posts? Any who, Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas Rich and Col KenHigg 12-06-2006, 06:34 AM yeah right - and get shot by American cops? oh no, I'm not black, maybe I'll be ok.Col You really scrape the bottom some times - ;) ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 06:40 AM Why can't he post his opinions like you have just done and stop running people out of the forum with his style of comments like: Now just sod off back to your cabin under 30ft of snow. This comment was wrong, it should have read "Now just sod off back to your cabin under 30ft of snow until you learn not to misquote people" Most religious cult people (like christians)... Christianity is a religious cult just like any other - whats the problem? I like that Bri - a "battery of Americans" - like chickens, all being told when to eat, when to do this, do that, what to believe etc etc see Nikky's reply on this, at least Nikky is able to see the context of it correctly unlike you Col ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 06:42 AM You really scrape the bottom some times - ;) Do you really need me to reference the shooting of an unarmed black man by US police the other day? Col FoFa 12-06-2006, 06:44 AM Do you really need me to reference the shooting of an unarmed black man by US police the other day? Col So in a country of 300 million people, one guy gets shot and you want to bring that up? What about the 299,999,999 that went on with life? ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 06:44 AM I am beginning to wonder if COL and Rich are the same person so when we chat to each other on the phone, who are we talking to?:confused: Col KalelGmoon 12-06-2006, 06:48 AM so when we chat to each other on the phone, who are we talking to?:confused: Col Ya have 2 phones COl. one on each side and you talk to yourself. yeah thats it thats the way ya do it uh huh Disclaimer: the above was a razzing meant in jest to make a funny statement and maybe get a little laugh. no persons/ and or animals were harmed in the production of this post and all laws were followed FoFa 12-06-2006, 06:50 AM so when we chat to each other on the phone, who are we talking to? Col So you planning your "gang up on the Americans" strategy with Rich then :confused: jsanders 12-06-2006, 07:13 AM ah yes, the standard American cop out statement. It saves admitting you got it wrong. Col Got what wrong Col? ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 07:19 AM Got what wrong Col? The fact that you made up a totally fictional statement, indicated that I said it - then chastised me for it. Fo - we don't need a strategy. The way certain US posters here act, its totally consistent with our perception of the US. Kal - I do have 2 phones on my desk - the normal one and the mobile, I shall try your idea to see how I get on.:p Col dan-cat 12-06-2006, 07:44 AM Its more the hypocritical Yankee culture and blinkered views, then when you mention it, they get all pissy about it:rolleyes: Unfortunately we're not all too 'blinkered' to understand that you use these blanket statements to derail a conversation that isn't going in the direction that you'd prefer. Everybody here understands your opinion on US culture. Everybody here understands you have the right to express it. What's hilarious is your arrogance that you think that everybody wants to hear it for the n millionth time. It's boring, it's causing ill will, pack it in! :mad: ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 07:58 AM Everybody here understands your opinion on US culture.Daniella - yes its one of great learning and confirmation that most of what we hear on TV and news is sadly true. Everybody here understands you have the right to express it. Not strictly true actually. What's hilarious is your arrogance that you think that everybody wants to hear it for the n millionth time.its a tough road we tread, but say it often enough and there's hope even for the USA - its a heavy cross to bear, but I (and Rich) rise to the challenge. One day you'll be thankful - its ok though we're not looking for reward It's boring, it's causing ill will, pack it in! :mad: yes, we all said that about things we didn't like at school, but again we're thankful we listened. Col jsanders 12-06-2006, 07:59 AM The fact that you made up a totally fictional statement, indicated that I said it - then chastised me for it. Fo - we don't need a strategy. The way certain US posters here act, its totally consistent with our perception of the US. Kal - I do have 2 phones on my desk - the normal one and the mobile, I shall try your idea to see how I get on.:p Col Col, you have to take my word that I was kidding you. Sorry it read wrong. Have I ever been uncivilized to you personally? ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 08:07 AM Have I ever been uncivilized to you personally? you mean like Ken? a holier-than-thou-your-opinion-is-not-worth-anything type? Not even you can be that bad, I did however think I got the backlash of your spat with Rich which happened a few minutes earlier. My weather comments were genuine though. e.g. you may think it always rains in England (foreigners do) - but statistically, where I live (in Essex) is drier than Morocco, North Africa - where you would imagine its sunny for ever. Col jsanders 12-06-2006, 08:13 AM you mean like Ken? a holier-than-thou-your-opinion-is-not-worth-anything type? Not even you can be that bad, I did however think I got the backlash of your spat with Rich which happened a few minutes earlier. My weather comments were genuine though. e.g. you may think it always rains in England (foreigners do) - but statistically, where I live (in Essex) is drier than Morocco, North Africa - where you would imagine its sunny for ever. Col No Col, I do not equate you and Richard; I think you are more apt to joke around and even to admit erring. Richard has never admitted (to my knowledge) a single error, and every time he is backed into a corner he takes something out of context and posts it as a diversion. I’m done with that bastard. But it will not effect the way I treat you. ColinEssex 12-06-2006, 08:30 AM I do not equate you and Richard; I think you are more apt to joke around and even to admit erring. Rich (in his defence) does make some good thought stirring comments. I’m done with that bastard. :eek: I know that Rich would never post that. There was a time with 375 a couple of years ago. . . . . . But it will not effect the way I treat you ok, I'll watch out for the misquotes and hammer you when you do it:D ;) I'm off home now, its 4:30pm. Have fun, have a good evening and don't get snowed in!;) Col KenHigg 12-06-2006, 08:40 AM a holier-than-thou-your-opinion-is-not-worth-anything type? You sure like to beat a dead horse. Where is this holier than thou thing coming from? And since you're not going to accept my apology for saying your opinion on children was worthless (in light of the fact that you and your miss must have had difficulties in that area), may I ask why can't you give that one a rest unless you want to discuss it some more - ? Why is the children topic so touchy with you? (Remember, you're the one that keeps alluding to it) - :) :) scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 08:49 AM Guys, Is it just me, but it seems like everybody is using this part of the forum just to make personal jibes againt everybody else! KenHigg 12-06-2006, 08:52 AM Guys, Is it just me, but it seems like everybody is using this part of the forum just to make personal jibes againt everybody else! Several of us have ask Col to stop (or at least slow down) the Amercan insults and he doesn't seem to want want to stop, so I guess it'll all continue...:rolleyes: scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 08:52 AM Back on the subject of British justice. Today in the news a teenager has been given just 2 years with a possibility of parole in 18 months for killing a father of 2, because he pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Where is the justice in that? jsanders 12-06-2006, 08:54 AM Guys, Is it just me, but it seems like everybody is using this part of the forum just to make personal jibes againt everybody else! It would be nice if it were contain to just one thread. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 08:54 AM Back on the subject of British justice. Today in the news a teenager has been given just 2 years with a possibility of parole in 18 months for killing a father of 2, because he pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Where is the justice in that? I thought the British system was based on rehab, not justice... I guess they figure they can rehab him in that amount of time? scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 08:55 AM Ken, The picture on your profile is that your family? jsanders 12-06-2006, 08:55 AM Back on the subject of British justice. Today in the news a teenager has been given just 2 years with a possibility of parole in 18 months for killing a father of 2, because he pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Where is the justice in that? What were the circumstances? Was it a bar fight? KenHigg 12-06-2006, 08:57 AM Ken, The picture on your profile is that your family? Yes! I'm the old balded guy - :p scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 08:57 AM I thought the British system was based on rehab, not justice... I guess they figure they can rehab him in that amount of time? I can understand your view. But what about the view of the victims family, what message does that send out to them that their father/husbands killer will be free to enjoy his life in 18 months time while they ahve lost a loved one for the rest of their lives? FoFa 12-06-2006, 08:57 AM Back on the subject of British justice. Today in the news a teenager has been given just 2 years with a possibility of parole in 18 months for killing a father of 2, because he pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Where is the justice in that? WHAT:confused: :eek: :confused: That kind of stuff happens in the UK also? You see that kind of thing and it makes you wonder what the justice system is really up to. Here I think it has to do with saving time AND money (it's easier), but really, what to the victims of the crime have to say about it? scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 09:00 AM What were the circumstances? Was it a bar fight? No the victims family had been terrorised for months by a group of thugs, the police were powerless to stop it. The victim tried to protect his car from being smashed up and was attacked by one of the thugs. He left him in a Coma in which he died later.:mad: KenHigg 12-06-2006, 09:00 AM I can understand your view. But what about the view of the victims family, what message does that send out to them that their father/husbands killer will be free to enjoy his life in 18 months time while they ahve lost a loved one for the rest of their lives? So here is a continuation of the message it may send - Pay a young person a million dollars to kill someone. Then in a year and a half they're set for life. Better than a four year college gig - :mad: scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 09:01 AM Yes! I'm the old balded guy - :p Nice picture. My avatar is of one of my little boys, and yes that really is a plastic bowl that he has on his head:D KenHigg 12-06-2006, 09:03 AM Nice picture. My avatar is of one of my little boys, and yes that really is a plastic bowl that he has on his head:D Thats a great pic - How many kids do you have? scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 09:04 AM Thats a great pic - How many kids do you have? I have two boys. One is aged 4 and has just started school. The other is 3 (the one in the picture) he is in pre-school. My wife is very busy.:) KenHigg 12-06-2006, 09:06 AM I have two boys. One is aged 4 and has just started school. The other is 3 (the one in the picture) he is in pre-school. My wife is very busy.:) Sounds like you're busy as well :p (or it may be something in the water :p ) Does the older one have any interest in sports or cars or anything like that? jsanders 12-06-2006, 09:08 AM Nice picture. My avatar is of one of my little boys, and yes that really is a plastic bowl that he has on his head:D Did he need a hair cut? scott-atkinson 12-06-2006, 09:09 AM Does the older one have any interest in sports or cars or anything like that? He likes Mcdonalds, then again so does the yonger one. In the words of somebody else on this forum "Another damn thing to blame you yankie's for" :D :D jsanders 12-06-2006, 09:39 AM He likes Mcdonalds, then again so does the yonger one. In the words of somebody else on this forum "Another damn thing to blame you yankie's for" :D :D Well at least it’s honest criticism. Just remember we are the fattest nation on earth. You would do well not to emulate us. jsanders 12-06-2006, 09:40 AM He likes Mcdonalds, then again so does the yonger one. In the words of somebody else on this forum "Another damn thing to blame you yankie's for" :D :D The reference to the hair cuts was colloquial, we use to say that mom got the bowl down, and used it for a template to cut the kid's hair. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 10:47 AM He likes Mcdonalds, then again so does the yonger one. In the words of somebody else on this forum "Another damn thing to blame you yankie's for" :D :D Oh dear... wait 'till Col sees that one - :p Sorry I tried to get you to take sides by asking if you thought Col's comments were rude... You are wise to remain neutral - :D Rich 12-06-2006, 11:37 AM I’m done with that bastard. Such a nice christian response from the most god fearing nation on the planet with the least amount of soul. :rolleyes: KenHigg 12-06-2006, 11:55 AM Such a nice christian response from the most god fearing nation on the planet with the least amount of soul. :rolleyes: Wha' you talkin' 'bout - I got soul :mad: :p :p Rich 12-06-2006, 11:59 AM Wha' you talkin' 'bout - I got soul :mad: :p :p You're one of a rare breed ;) Matt Greatorex 12-06-2006, 12:01 PM You're one of a rare breed ;) Him and James Brown. KenHigg 12-06-2006, 12:02 PM You're one of a rare breed ;) :eek: :eek: I'm guessing Col probably feels that way as well... I've really made him mad :o What can I do to get him back on speaking terms:confused: :confused: :) Rich 12-06-2006, 12:04 PM I think I said Richard, and Richie Boy, but actually the use of jen, jenifer,josey, none of them really bother me. What bothers me is your NEVER admitting your faults, and your willingness to point out everyone else’s. The sad part about it, is that everyone else that I know, even the people on this forum, which could hide behind the net, own up to their fallacies. You however, are obstinate to the point of pity. Pity, what else could anyone feel for you? And after a while of pitying someone, most people start to despise them, and certainly the one being pitied despises, because he realizes that it’s his own short comings that make him pitied. So he despises himself and the others for pointing it out to him. I mean this with all sincerity, I truly pity you, your inability to have a genuine social life and your inability to admit your own faults. Call me a quitter. I saw a really interesting documentary a few years ago on African plains animals. The gazelles lost a member of their herd to a predator. They all looked back with a moment of sadness, and then turned and continued their flight. That’s how I feel right now. There is no hope in having a friendship with you. What a shame, I so love good friendships. http://www.animationplayhouse.com/babybuggy.gif Rich 12-06-2006, 12:05 PM Him and James Brown. Not my scene, substitute Tina Turner instead KenHigg 12-06-2006, 12:07 PM http://www.animationplayhouse.com/babybuggy.gif I couldn't see the babybuggy gif...:mad: Rich 12-06-2006, 12:11 PM Both show here, but then very often I can't see some of the gifs others post here, it's certainly odd:confused: Rich 12-06-2006, 01:12 PM Some people will shout comparisons with Iraq, but I believe that the governments of the US and UK were acting on behalf of what they believed to be credible evidence on WMD in the country. That's rather naive of you I'm sad to say Scot. There was never any evidence of WMD's in Iraq. Bush wanted another one of those regime changes that America inflicts around the world when it suits them. Blair backed himself into a corner by sucking up to Bush right at the start. Sadly for us the British concocted the story of WMD's to try and get the war ratified by the UN. When that ploy failed they went ahead anyway. What a pity the archives got destroyed here earlier, you could have gone back and searched the archives from all the Americans on here who carried out vitriolic attacks on me for daring to call the whole charade a lie from the beginning. You might still find some by Fofa though and his support for America's gun ho charge around the world. Adeptus 12-06-2006, 05:35 PM Back on the subject of British justice. Today in the news a teenager has been given just 2 years with a possibility of parole in 18 months for killing a father of 2, because he pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Where is the justice in that? I saw this on another forum: http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/local/story.html?id=3b3a0404-1568-444e-b215-de2e4052d21b&k=0 Bus driver killed when group dropped ornamental boulder off overpass six months of house arrest followed by 18 months of probation as well as 240 hours of community service. scott-atkinson 12-07-2006, 01:52 AM The reference to the hair cuts was colloquial, we use to say that mom got the bowl down, and used it for a template to cut the kid's hair. We have the same saying in the UK, but it is called a basin cut :) ColinEssex 12-07-2006, 01:56 AM You sure like to beat a dead horse. well at least I didn't shoot it Where is this holier than thou thing coming from? And since you're not going to accept my apology for saying your opinion on children was worthless (in light of the fact that you and your miss must have had difficulties in that area), may I ask why can't you give that one a rest unless you want to discuss it some more - ? Why is the children topic so touchy with you? (Remember, you're the one that keeps alluding to it) - :) :) I am alluding to your put-down dismissive comment, not the subject matter. The subject matter is irrelevant - despite my apparent failings, I never dismiss anyones opinion with such distain as you do / did. How you can think that if someone does not have children, then they have no right to an opinion is beyond me. I don't have a Hardly Driveable, am I not able to discuss that? I don't have a V12 SUV 5mpg Jeep gas guzzler, not allowed an opinion? I don't have a gun, never seen a real one - not allowed an opinion? I don't murder animals in cold blood - not allowed an opinion? Children are not a touchy subject, I like children, in fact I went to school with loads but I can't eat a whole one. Also we had many teenage students (from Europe) staying with us for 5 or 6 years, so I know a little bit. But as I said the subject matter is irrelevant. Then the apology. . . . . .it just about holds water till the next time you post before engaging brain, as I said, I think GWB is more sincere. BTW - for the record, although its none of your sodding business - we have not had any difficulties in the baby / children area. We prefer dogs, much more loyal, loving and friendly, cheaper to run, don't need the latest iPod or trainers and they die aged about 12 to 15 so you can change models if you wish. They don't destroy your whole life like children do. Col scott-atkinson 12-07-2006, 02:12 AM They don't destroy your whole life like children do. Col Col, I don't agree with your this. But I respect your opinion. You have chosen this path and if it makes you happy then it is the path for you. My children make me happy and that is my path. However I would agree that my life before children was a lot more spontaneous than it is now, but it is swings and roundabouts. Rich 12-07-2006, 02:14 AM They don't destroy your whole life like children do. Col Not sure about destroy, they certainly burn a hole in your pocket for the rest of your life. Damn, I could have had a garage full of bikes, if only......... ColinEssex 12-07-2006, 02:34 AM Not sure about destroy, they certainly burn a hole in your pocket for the rest of your life. ok, destroy was a bit harsh, I should have said "curtail your life" - although I have seen people who's lives have virtually been ruined by unruly children. Damn, I could have had a garage full of bikes, if only......... I limit myself to a maximum of 2 bikes at any one time, and 4 guitars:D Col Rich 12-07-2006, 03:26 AM ok, destroy was a bit harsh, I should have said "curtail your life" - although I have seen people who's lives have virtually been ruined by unruly children. Col There's certainly some truth in that statement, but then that beggars the question, who's fault is it that they became unruly KenHigg 12-07-2006, 03:38 AM You sure like to beat a dead horse. Reply: well at least I didn't shoot it Thanks for confirming my point I am alluding to your put-down dismissive comment, not the subject matter. The subject matter is irrelevant - despite my apparent failings, I never dismiss anyones opinion with such distain as you do / did. How you can think that if someone does not have children, then they have no right to an opinion is beyond me. Not any 'someone', just your opinion on most anything around here. and here's why: I don't have a Hardly Driveable, am I not able to discuss that? A cheap shot insult I don't have a V12 SUV 5mpg Jeep gas guzzler, not allowed an opinion? Another cheap shot insult I don't have a gun, never seen a real one - not allowed an opinion? Another cheap shot insult I don't murder animals in cold blood - not allowed an opinion? Another cheap shot insult... See a pattern? Children are not a touchy subject, I like children, in fact I went to school with loads but I can't eat a whole one. Use that line a ten more times an someone may laugh... Also we had many teenage students (from Europe) staying with us for 5 or 6 years, so I know a little bit. But as I said the subject matter is irrelevant. Admirable, but not quite like diapers, pre-school, etc Then the apology. . . . . .it just about holds water till the next time you post before engaging brain, as I said, I think GWB is more sincere. I'll stop the retailiations when you stop the insults... (Did you get 'Qualified' in 'Engaging Brains' like you did 'anatony'?:p ) BTW - for the record, although its none of your sodding business - we have not had any difficulties in the baby / children area. We prefer dogs, much more loyal, loving and friendly, cheaper to run, don't need the latest iPod or trainers and they die aged about 12 to 15 so you can change models if you wish. They don't destroy your whole life like children do. Col Based on this statement alone (which is simular in tone to previous remarks), IMHO, it's a good thing you didn't have any children. Imagine having a father that feels this way...:rolleyes: Rich 12-07-2006, 03:49 AM You're up early, are you having nightmares?:confused: nikkypickles 12-07-2006, 03:53 AM Question Originally Posted by ColinEssex I don't have a gun, never seen a real one - not allowed an opinion? Originally Posted by KenHigg Another cheap shot insult How is saying that you don't have a gun and have never seen a real one a cheap shot insult? KenHigg 12-07-2006, 03:54 AM You're up early, are you having nightmares?:confused: :D :D :D Yes- Of Col raking me across the coals and me not being able to respond:p :p jsanders 12-07-2006, 03:59 AM Col, I don't agree with your this. But I respect your opinion. You have chosen this path and if it makes you happy then it is the path for you. My children make me happy and that is my path. However I would agree that my life before children was a lot more spontaneous than it is now, but it is swings and roundabouts. Wait till they're teens. jsanders 12-07-2006, 04:02 AM There's certainly some truth in that statement, but then that beggars the question, who's fault is it that they became unruly On this subject it has occurred to me, on many occasions, that we think alike. KenHigg 12-07-2006, 04:04 AM Question How is saying that you don't have a gun and have never seen a real one a cheap shot insult? This is yet another one of his reasons to hate American tangents he goes off on from time to time. In a nutshell his view is 'I hate American because they are allowed to own guns.' Like you (or someone around here ) have said, it is his opinion and should be free to voice it and I completely agree. But he throws these types of hate opinons out on and on and on... Well I guess you need to hang around a bit longer to see realize the pattern... Rich 12-07-2006, 04:09 AM This is yet another one of his reasons to hate American tangents he goes off on from time to time. In a nutshell his view is 'I hate American because they are allowed to own guns.' Like you (or someone around here ) have said, it is his opinion and should be free to voice it and I completely agree. But he throws these types of hate opinons out on and on and on... Well I guess you need to hang around a bit longer to see realize the pattern... You're using the American word 'hate' rather liberally this morning Kenneth, isn't the coffee working yet?:confused: KenHigg 12-07-2006, 04:12 AM You're using the American word 'hate' rather liberally this morning Kenneth, isn't the coffee working yet?:confused: Just downed the first cup - get ready...:p :p (FYI - I really don't like to take issue with Col and wish we could get back to being friends... I think I'll let this die a slow death and be quite for a while...:o ) jsanders 12-07-2006, 04:13 AM A couple of corrections: well at least I didn't shoot it I don't have a V12 SUV 5mpg Jeep gas guzzler, not allowed an opinion? I don't murder animals in cold blood - not allowed an opinion? Col Mostly Jeeps are smaller than the big SUVs and they have 4 cylinders and 6 and some 8s no 12s. They typically get 22 mpg or so. If you eat meat of any kind then you pay people to do your cold blooded killing for you. Which is considerably worse than doing it yourself. I often wondered how anti-hunters reconcile that. Rich 12-07-2006, 04:25 AM A couple of corrections: Mostly Jeeps are smaller than the big SUVs and they have 4 cylinders and 6 and some 8s no 12s. They typically get 22 mpg or so. If you eat meat of any kind then you pay people to do your cold blooded killing for you. Which is considerably worse than doing it yourself. I often wondered how anti-hunters reconcile that. One involves blood lust the other doesn't, and your truck does 9mpg! ColinEssex 12-07-2006, 04:26 AM (Did you get 'Qualified' in 'Engaging Brains' like you did 'anatony'?:p ) retailiations,simular I spell things incorrectly so that you can understand them. When you get better at it, I'll return to correct spelling Col jsanders 12-07-2006, 04:28 AM and your truck does 9mpg! I don't drive it unless it snows. Did you leave that part out on purpose or did you have another one of your well timed, notorious brain freezes? KenHigg 12-07-2006, 04:31 AM I spell things incorrectly so that you can understand them. When you get better at it, I'll return to correct spelling Col . . . Touche :) Rich 12-07-2006, 04:34 AM I don't drive it unless it snows. Did you leave that part out on purpose or did you have another one of your well timed, notorious brain freezes? What the hell's the weather got to do with fuel consumption ColinEssex 12-07-2006, 04:47 AM Like you (or someone around here ) have said, it is his opinion and should be free to voice it and I completely agree. No you don't, you view my opinions as worthless. Do you need me to reference that? But he throws these types of hate opinons out on and on and on... Well I guess you need to hang around a bit longer to see realize the pattern... can you quote a hate opinion? if I disagree with something, I may not necessarily hate it. Oh and don't patronise Nikky - she's smart enough to see how you twist things Col KenHigg 12-07-2006, 05:05 AM ...how you twist things Col There's no twist - :confused: You make repetitious insulting comments and I think you're being rude when you do it. :) ColinEssex 12-07-2006, 05:28 AM There's no twist - :confused: You make repetitious insulting comments and I think you're being rude when you do it. :) am I bovvered? Col Rich 12-07-2006, 05:31 AM am I bovvered? Col I tell ya, I aint bovvered Matt Greatorex 12-07-2006, 05:39 AM Col, I don't agree with your this. But I respect your opinion. You have chosen this path and if it makes you happy then it is the path for you. My children make me happy and that is my path. However I would agree that my life before children was a lot more spontaneous than it is now, but it is swings and roundabouts. Susbtitute the word 'Jesus' for the words 'children' or 'my children' and this could be one of the religious posts. :D KenHigg 12-07-2006, 05:56 AM am I bovvered? Col After Googling that :p , I'd say nah, just bit ardent about how you feel. And I suppose I'm a bit of a irascible old fart myself... volatile combination :p :p jsanders 12-07-2006, 06:22 AM I tell ya, I aint bovvered What the hell is it? nikkypickles 12-07-2006, 06:49 AM Catherine Tate - contemporary UK commedienne. Probably best if you do what Ken did and Google her jsanders 12-07-2006, 06:53 AM Catherine Tate - contemporary UK commedienne. Probably best if you do what Ken did and Google her That takes all the fun out of it. KenHigg 12-07-2006, 07:00 AM ?!? This is what I got: Link (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bovver) KalelGmoon 12-07-2006, 07:09 AM What the hell's the weather got to do with fuel consumption Weather has nothing to do with fuel consumption. He knows it gets bad mileage and therefore does not drive it unless he has to i.e. deep snow etc that the more economical van would not be able to get around in or would be more dangerous to drive in the bad weather. KalelGmoon 12-07-2006, 07:16 AM I googled it and got a link to a skinhead page in wikipeia nikkypickles 12-07-2006, 07:22 AM http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/c/catherinetateshow_999040216.shtml Personally I don't rate her - it was funny the first time I saw it (for Children In Need or some other charity telethon where the reaction of the boy band being interviewed looked almost genuine) but like too much modern British humour reliant on catchphrases, it has gotten very tired very quickly. Rich 12-07-2006, 11:15 AM Susbtitute the word 'Jesus' for the words 'children' or 'my children' and this could be one of the religious posts. :D Not really, one's fictitious, the other's real, to start with Rich 12-07-2006, 11:16 AM Weather has nothing to do with fuel consumption. He knows it gets bad mileage and therefore does not drive it unless he has to i.e. deep snow etc that the more economical van would not be able to get around in or would be more dangerous to drive in the bad weather. We have 4x4's here with much better fuel consumption that perform just as well KalelGmoon 12-07-2006, 12:08 PM We have 4x4's here with much better fuel consumption that perform just as well and what are the brand names on those 4 x 4's? if the vehicle is only driven irregularly (I have a 1981 chevy suburban that has had less than 1000 miles put on it in the last 6 yrs) it is not very cost effective to purchase a new 4 x 4 that gets better gas mileage. considering most of them run upwards of 30k US (around 16k sterling). Rich 12-07-2006, 12:25 PM and what are the brand names on those 4 x 4's? if the vehicle is only driven irregularly (I have a 1981 chevy suburban that has had less than 1000 miles put on it in the last 6 yrs) it is not very cost effective to purchase a new 4 x 4 that gets better gas mileage. considering most of them run upwards of 30k US (around 16k sterling). Somebody made the same argument to me the other day over the high taxation that's now going to be aimed at school run mums with their 4x4's. If they're only going to school and back a couple of times a day, they aren't doing as much damage as the company rep who drives a much smaller engined car but does thousands of miles more per year. But then governments don't think or act logically, do they? jsanders 12-07-2006, 12:35 PM We have 4x4's here with much better fuel consumption that perform just as well Oh contraire the same Japanese makers make them for both of us and there is only 1 true winner in the performance category. Hummer. Rich 12-07-2006, 12:45 PM Since when did the Japanese make engines for the Land Rover?:confused: jsanders 12-07-2006, 12:55 PM Since when did the Japanese make engines for the Land Rover?:confused: I got a news flash for you we have Land Rovers here as well and they don't get as good a mileage as the Japanese ones. Subaru probably has the best mileage of any sold here, I’m probably wrong, but not by a large margin. Worley 12-11-2006, 05:10 AM Rich, I feel it is time that our justice system was re-evaluated, too many of our judges are not in touch with reality. The part of the quote in bold hit the nail on the head. Same problem with most of the people in power. We are pulling from the wrong group of people, imo. Worley 12-11-2006, 05:46 AM I got a news flash for you we have Land Rovers here as well and they don't get as good a mileage as the Japanese ones. Subaru probably has the best mileage of any sold here, I’m probably wrong, but not by a large margin. Because of emission laws, most likely. That is one reason why it is so expensive to import some vehicles. Emission laws vary from country to country, thats why sometimes the same model vehicle in (for example, I have not looked up emission comparisons yet) Germany will have 20 more horsepower than the American version. If I am wrong, sorry, this is mostly based on a conversation I had while babysitting a few drunk friends in Colorado. And yes, thank you for the comment, my wife and daughter had a great time. My wife had the camera the whole time, so I don't have any pics of me actually skiing, and will have to wait until I get some emailed to me to post. KenHigg 12-11-2006, 05:52 AM ...Emission laws vary from country to country, And from state to state and from county to county...:rolleyes: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 06:53 AM And from state to state and from county to county...:rolleyes: ...and from person to redneck :p Bodisathva 12-11-2006, 06:55 AM ...and from person to redneck :p...and Blue-Tick to Catahoula dan-cat 12-11-2006, 07:02 AM ...and Blue-Tick to Catahoula can we keep the funnies for the 'cooler please :mad: :rolleyes: :D Bodisathva 12-11-2006, 07:03 AM can we keep the funnies for the 'cooler please :mad: :rolleyes: :D sorry, Dad :( ColinEssex 12-11-2006, 07:45 AM sorry, Dad :( steady on Bod. The big-brother mods will be after you:rolleyes: You need to get permission to have opinions these days Col KenHigg 12-11-2006, 08:14 AM steady on Bod. The big-brother mods will be after you:rolleyes: You need to get permission to have opinions these days Col Nah he's good... And all you need is half a brain :p :p Rich 12-11-2006, 08:49 AM And from state to state and from county to county...:rolleyes: Is there any likelyhood of you one day acting as a united country?:confused: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 10:16 AM That's rather naive of you I'm sad to say Scot. There was never any evidence of WMD's in Iraq. He wasn't brainwashed by chance :confused: Worley 12-11-2006, 10:23 AM Is there any likelyhood of you one day acting as a united country?:confused: I know, last time we did that was the Revolutionary War, and look how well that turned out. (ba dum dum!) Just kidding. It is much easier said than done, considering the size of our country, and the fact that our government allows free speech and opinion for the most part. (Thats a good thing) Even the UK can't say they are consistantly united, although if prolly happens more often there because of its smaller size. Most likely the only places presenting a constantly united front are those with a Communist party in power. I am glad to know Rich's constant bad moods can not be blamed on me, it went on just the same for a week. And I agree, Colin is much better than Rich at not trying to punch people in the face with cheap comments, and has even on occasion apologised, even if in a somewhat abstract way, lol. I sure missed you guys. Also, Colin; kids are awesome. As simple as that. It's almost like marriage, for every bad thing about it, there is something that completely outshines it. In other words, lows may be a bit lower sometimes, but the highs are WAY higher. hehe, stop eating them, too. Thats just rude, lol. Kids hate that. :) Take care, guys. dan-cat 12-11-2006, 10:30 AM Even the UK can't say they are consistantly united, although if prolly happens more often there because of its smaller size. :eek: :eek: Surely not :p Link (http://www.devolution.ac.uk/final_report.htm) Rich 12-11-2006, 10:37 AM :eek: :eek: Surely not :p Link (http://www.devolution.ac.uk/final_report.htm) Don't understand the link with the question posed and your link:confused: Rich 12-11-2006, 10:39 AM Even the UK can't say they are consistantly united,. Depends on how you define united dan-cat 12-11-2006, 10:46 AM Depends on how you define united http://www.1id.army.mil/1ID/UNITS/2-2/images/auggunnery/smokescreen.JPG Worley 12-11-2006, 10:47 AM Depends on how you define united Thankfully, that has been taken out of our hands.... u·nit·ed (yū-nī'tĭd) adj. 1.Combined into a single entity. 2.Concerned with, produced by, or resulting from mutual action. 3.Being in harmony; agreed. Rich 12-11-2006, 10:48 AM :confused: :confused: Bodisathva 12-11-2006, 10:51 AM hey Dan! Thought he said U-nited, not IG-nited dan-cat 12-11-2006, 10:52 AM Thankfully, that has been taken out of our hands.... You'll notice the retreat into semantics as a recognised Rich defensive manoeuvre :p No such definitions were required when not referencing the UK ;) dan-cat 12-11-2006, 10:55 AM hey Dan! Thought he said U-nited, not IG-nited It was supposed to illustrate a smokescreen but I guess the attempt was a little stretched :D Rich 12-11-2006, 10:55 AM You'll notice the retreat into semantics as a recognised Rich defensive manoeuvre :p No such definitions were required when not referencing the UK ;) That's because the UK is united Rich 12-11-2006, 10:59 AM Thankfully, that has been taken out of our hands.... u·nit·ed (yū-nī'tĭd) adj. 1.Combined into a single entity. 2.Concerned with, produced by, or resulting from mutual action. 3.Being in harmony; agreed. Except for gun law, seat belts, crash helmets, etc. etc dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:01 AM That's because the UK is united Depends on how you define united Even the UK can't say they are consistantly united,. LMAO talk about not adhering to your own principles. What happened to the definition :rolleyes: Rich 12-11-2006, 11:05 AM LMAO talk about not adhering to your own principles. What happened to the definition :rolleyes: Wooley contradicted the definition by saying that the UK is not united and you suggested the same Rich 12-11-2006, 11:06 AM I wonder what school building this flag came from?:confused: http://www.oberlin.edu/history/GJK/H263F2001/USbattleflag.jpg dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:10 AM Wooley contradicted the definition by saying that the UK is not united and you suggested the same What definition? I'm talking about the definition that you seem to think is required for your conclusion but won't supply. dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:11 AM I wonder what school building this flag came from?:confused: http://www.oberlin.edu/history/GJK/H263F2001/USbattleflag.jpg http://www.pctechguide.com/images/blogItems/2006/august/siteDivert/DiversionSign.jpg Rich 12-11-2006, 11:13 AM What definition? I'm talking about the definition that you seem to think is required for your conclusion but won't supply. The conclusion's quite simple, the United Kingdom is united, the United States isn't. I can't see why you're having such a problem here:confused: Rich 12-11-2006, 11:13 AM http://www.pctechguide.com/images/blogItems/2006/august/siteDivert/DiversionSign.jpg Never heard of that school, where is it?:confused: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:14 AM The conclusion's quite simple, the United Kingdom is united, the United States isn't. I can't see why you're having such a problem here:confused: Because you're not supplying the definition that YOU said was required to reach such a conclusion. It's quite simple. Rich 12-11-2006, 11:20 AM Because you're not supplying the definition that YOU said was required to reach such a conclusion. It's quite simple. I've answered you, it isn't my fault that you don't understand the conclusion. United means acting in unison, one voice etc. etc dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:25 AM United means acting in unison, one voice etc. etc Did the United Kingdom act in unison when implementing a public smoking ban? Brianwarnock 12-11-2006, 11:27 AM That's because the UK is united :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: Look I know that you guys in the insular west country are a little out of touch but surely you have become aware that Scotland has its own Parliament that legislates on Scottish affairs so that its version of the NHS , for example, allows drugs that we cant get in England, its care of old people is different as is its judicial system, that'l do for now Brian Rich 12-11-2006, 11:28 AM Did the United Kingdom act in unison when implementing a public smoking ban? Minor detail Danny, stop trying to divert the crux of the thread:p dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:29 AM :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: Look I know that you guys in the insular west country are a little out of touch but surely you have become aware that Scotland has its own Parliament that legislates on Scottish affairs so that its version of the NHS , for example, allows drugs that we cant get in England, its care of old people is different as is its judicial system, that'l do for now Brian I did try and suggest the term 'devolution' to Rich but it seemed to fall on deaf ears.:confused: Perhaps he's never heard of it? Rich 12-11-2006, 11:31 AM :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: Look I know that you guys in the insular west country are a little out of touch but surely you have become aware that Scotland has its own Parliament that legislates on Scottish affairs so that its version of the NHS , for example, allows drugs that we cant get in England, its care of old people is different as is its judicial system, that'l do for now Brian Scotland has always had it's own laws regarding many things Bri, not a lot different to today. It's had its own currency for christ knows how long. But on major issues the central government makes the crucial decisions. Rich 12-11-2006, 11:34 AM I did try and suggest the term 'devolution' to Rich but it seemed to fall on deaf ears.:confused: Perhaps he's never heard of it? As I've already stated, nothing much has changed, they don't have a great deal more power than a local council, the MAJOR issues are decided at parliament which still rules the United Kingdom dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:34 AM Minor detail Danny, stop trying to divert the crux of the thread:p :D OK, I'll pull the knife out now :p Brianwarnock 12-11-2006, 11:36 AM That depends on ones definition of a major issue, health is a major issue for people with cancer who can get the required drugs in scotland but not England. Substitute Foreign Policy for Major Issues and thats fine, but doesn't that apply in the US? Of course I could be wrong.;) Brian Rich 12-11-2006, 11:38 AM That depends on ones definition of a major issue, health is a major issue for people with cancer who can get the required drugs in scotland but not England. Brian Well of course they can get them in Scotland, the English are paying:D dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:51 AM That depends on ones definition of a major issue I know a lot of people who would consider a public smoking ban as a catastrophic issue :D Rich 12-11-2006, 11:52 AM I know a lot of people who would consider a public smoking ban as a catastrophic issue :D Including me!:mad: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 11:59 AM Including me!:mad: I already had you down as a 'definite maybe' ;) Rich 12-11-2006, 12:07 PM I already had you down as a 'definite maybe' ;) Yep, bloody do gooders are taking over the country:mad: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 12:10 PM Yep, bloody do gooders are taking over the country:mad: Didn't the same lot outlaw fox hunting :confused: Rich 12-11-2006, 12:13 PM Didn't the same lot outlaw fox hunting :confused: Yep! and are now introducing the bed and breakfast bill into N.I.:rolleyes: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 12:17 PM Yep! and are now introducing the bed and breakfast bill into N.I.:rolleyes: There's nothing I hate more than some no good do-gooder poking his unwanted nose in when all you want to do is go out for a good hunt. :D Rich 12-11-2006, 12:29 PM There's nothing I hate more than some no good do-gooder poking his unwanted nose in when all you want to do is go out for a good hunt. :D Well I can't say I subscribe to hunting, but the government got itself in a total mess here because it didn't come up with a viable alternative to control the fox population and thus we ended up with a fudge. By the way fox hunting isn't banned her per se. Hunting with packs of hounds is. KalelGmoon 12-11-2006, 12:42 PM and am I not mistaken but doesnt Ireland want to become its own country? not having to answer to the British Govt. and I think Scotland wants to do the same. well at least the people I see post on the scotsman site that is about all they talk about, freeing scotland and being their own country Rich 12-11-2006, 12:44 PM and am I not mistaken but doesnt Ireland want to become its own country? not having to answer to the British Govt. and I think Scotland wants to do the same. well at least the people I see post on the scotsman site that is about all they talk about, freeing scotland and being their own country Ireland is its own country ie Eire, the Scots are always complaining about something or other, that's why so many of them live in England:rolleyes: dan-cat 12-11-2006, 12:55 PM Ireland is its own country ie Eire, the Scots are always complaining about something or other, that's why so many of them live in England:rolleyes: I wonder if Col has any scottish ancestry :eek: :p jsanders 12-11-2006, 01:43 PM Minor detail Danny, stop trying to divert the crux of the thread:p Yeah, please don't screw it up with the facts. dan-cat 12-11-2006, 01:47 PM Yeah, please don't screw it up with the facts. I knew I left that knife lying about here somewhere :p Rich 12-11-2006, 01:47 PM Yeah, please don't screw it up with the facts. What facts are you talking about?:rolleyes: jsanders 12-11-2006, 01:48 PM Ireland is its own country ie Eire, the Scots are always complaining about something or other, that's why so many of them live in England:rolleyes: You don't hear to often about states trying to secede, well after 1865 anyway. Maybe we’re more united than you think. Rich 12-11-2006, 01:52 PM You don't hear to often about states trying to secede, well after 1865 anyway. Maybe we’re more united than you think. Nah the names Sherman, Custard etc. still ring in their ears Adeptus 12-11-2006, 02:58 PM Ireland is its own country ie Eire, the Scots are always complaining about something or other, that's why so many of them live in England:rolleyes: I thought Ireland was divided, North & South, one half is part of the UK & (mostly) wants to stay that way, the other half is independent & (mostly) wants to stay that way... :confused: Rich 12-12-2006, 12:14 AM I thought Ireland was divided, North & South, one half is part of the UK & (mostly) wants to stay that way, the other half is independent & (mostly) wants to stay that way... :confused: Please don't confuse the Americans, Eire is an independant country within the British Isles ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 01:16 AM The "United" States is just one of those meaningless titles the Yanks use - like "World" series or a fast food "beef" burger - it's totally meaningless and should be sued under the trade desciptions act. How can a country be united when (for example) in some places you kill murderers and in others you get a jail spell? Oh and Rich, that flag looks like it was left in the boil wash instead of the 40c wash cycle. Or is it one of the US flags we see being destroyed on the streets of Baghdad at regular intervals. Col ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 01:19 AM :D OK, I'll pull the knife out now :p thats not a knife. . . . . . :cool: Col ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 01:38 AM And I agree, Colin is much better than Rich at not trying to punch people in the face with cheap comments, Here's 4 replies from KennyBoy to 4 questions from me. KennyBabe seems to be at odds with your opinion. Mind you, that doesn't surprise me, he hates everything I post anyway. A cheap shot insult Another cheap shot insult Another cheap shot insult Another cheap shot insult... See a pattern? and has even on occasion apologised, can you ref that please? I don't recall doing that, I need to check you're not slurring my character Also, Colin; kids are awesome. As simple as that. Yes, I have some superb nephews and nieces. Col ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 02:21 AM Please don't confuse the Americans, Nobody has yet explained to the Americans that the UK, Eire and the rest of Europe are actually beyond the US borders:rolleyes: * Only 37% of young Americans can find Iraq on a map—though U.S. troops have been there since 2003. * 6 in 10 young Americans don't speak a foreign language fluently. * 20% of young Americans think Sudan is in Asia. (It's the largest country in Africa.) * 48% of young Americans believe the majority population in India is Muslim. (It's Hindu—by a landslide.) * Half of young Americans can't find New York on a map. * nearly 30 percent of those surveyed could not find the Pacific Ocean, the world’s largest body of water; * more than half—56 percent—were unable to locate India, home to 17 percent of people on Earth; and * only 19 percent could name four countries that officially acknowledge having nuclear weapons. * Thirty-three percent of respondents couldn't pinpoint Louisiana on a map. * Fewer than three in 10 think it important to know the locations of countries in the news and just 14 percent believe speaking another language is a necessary skill. * Two-thirds didn't know that the earthquake that killed 70,000 people in October 2005 occurred in Pakistan. * Seventy-five percent were unable to locate Israel on a map of the Middle East. * Nearly three-quarters incorrectly named English as the most widely spoken native language. * Six in 10 did not know the border between North and South Korea is the most heavily fortified in the world. * Thirty percent thought the most heavily fortified border was between the United States and Mexico. These results suggest that young people in the United States—the most recent graduates of our educational system—are unprepared for an increasingly global future. Far too many lack even the most basic skills for navigating the international economy or understanding the relationships among people and places that provide critical context for world events. ref (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html) Col Brianwarnock 12-12-2006, 02:27 AM Well Col I don't think I can pinpoint Louisiana on a blank map of the US, nor do I speak a foreign language, although I can have a decent stab at American.:D Brian ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 02:48 AM . . . nor do I speak a foreign language, although I can have a decent stab at American.:D Thats easy, just slur the words, mispronounce everything and if your not sure, just make it up. The difficulty Americans have is to actually speak English. Col Rich 12-12-2006, 02:53 AM The difficulty Americans have is to actually speak English. Col and understand it ;) Rich 12-12-2006, 02:54 AM Well Col I don't think I can pinpoint Louisiana on a blank map of the US, Brian It's down near the bottom somewhere:cool: Brianwarnock 12-12-2006, 03:02 AM It's down near the bottom somewhere:cool: The term used was pinpoint, I know it is in the South Eastish and was bought from the frogs who had nicked it from the indians, so not totally ignorant.:D Brian ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 03:21 AM The term used was pinpoint, I know it is in the South Eastish and was bought from the frogs who had nicked it from the indians, so not totally ignorant.:D Its near the Gulf of Mexico, wasn't New Orleans there before it blew away? I didn't know the frogs had it, thats why they speak funny then:cool: Col Brianwarnock 12-12-2006, 03:31 AM Its near the Gulf of Mexico, wasn't New Orleans there before it blew away? I didn't know the frogs had it, thats why they speak funny then:cool: Col The name New Orleans was a bit of a hint.:rolleyes: Brian Remember the Louisiana purchase when Napoleon flogged huge tracts of land at something like $1 ,or was it 1 cent, an acre to fund his wars. Brian KenHigg 12-12-2006, 03:38 AM Its near the Gulf of Mexico, wasn't New Orleans there before it blew away? I didn't know the frogs had it, thats why they speak funny then:cool: Col Good morning girls - :p I think the 'speak funny' part can be attributed partly to the French (?) can't it? Rich 12-12-2006, 03:41 AM Good morning girls - :p I think the 'speak funny' part can be attributed partly to the French (?) can't it? What, all of America?:confused: :confused: KenHigg 12-12-2006, 03:44 AM What, all of America?:confused: :confused: Hum... I was thinking more of the Cajun dialect :D Rich 12-12-2006, 03:47 AM Hum... I was thinking more of the Cajun dialect :D Isn't that something they eat?:confused: KenHigg 12-12-2006, 03:50 AM Isn't that something they eat?:confused: It's probably in there somewhere: http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/537853/2/istockphoto_537853_crawfish_boil.jpg ColinEssex 12-12-2006, 04:13 AM I think the 'speak funny' part can be attributed partly to the French (?) can't it? There's no need to repeat what I said:rolleyes: I didn't know the frogs had it, thats why they speak funny then Col KenHigg 12-12-2006, 04:16 AM There's no need to repeat what I said:rolleyes: Col Oh I missed the connection - sorry. (haven't had my cup 'o jo this morning...:D ) dan-cat 12-12-2006, 06:00 AM although I can have a decent stab at American.:D Brian Not to be confused with the common British pasttime: having a stab at an American :p Brianwarnock 12-12-2006, 06:20 AM Not to be confused with the common British pasttime: having a stab at an American :p :D lol You have to realise that if you have pretensions to be top dog then everybody will take a pot at you:p brian dan-cat 12-12-2006, 06:27 AM Wife: Nice day at work dear? Husband: No, terrible. Management have been hounding me all day for that module write-up. Wife: Oh dear. Tell you what, I'll make you nice cup of tea and we can both have a stab at an American tonight, it'll take your mind off things. Husband: That sounds lovely. jsanders 12-12-2006, 07:13 AM It's probably in there somewhere: http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/537853/2/istockphoto_537853_crawfish_boil.jpg Eat the tail, suck the head. nikkypickles 12-12-2006, 07:35 AM Eat the tail, suck the head. I'm not touching that one! jsanders 12-12-2006, 07:58 AM I'm not touching that one! Louisianna Wisdom. It means "Enjoy life, the most important things are free." Rich 12-12-2006, 10:40 AM Louisianna Wisdom. , the most important things are free." Such as? :confused: Rich 12-12-2006, 12:04 PM Not to be confused with the common British pasttime: having a stab at an American :p Hell, as long as they don't have a stab at being an American:eek: :mad: jsanders 12-12-2006, 01:42 PM Such as? :confused: Eating crawdads or crawfish if you prefer. Rich 12-12-2006, 02:15 PM Eating crawdads or crawfish if you prefer. So how are they free?:confused: jsanders 12-12-2006, 02:45 PM So how are they free?:confused: What do you mean how are they free? You just go down the Old and Lost River beds and pic em up. Later you may have to spend a little on seasoning. Worley 12-12-2006, 03:58 PM United means acting in unison, one voice etc. etc The UK is united? Wow, Blair's approval rating must have gone up while I was in Colorado. When did you start liking him so much, uniting behind your one voice and such? I have a sneaking suspicion that the UK is not any better off than the US as far as being united. I think the US has as more unity than you would expect considering the differing opinions on the Iraq situation and the fact that people are pretty much free to voice how they think and do so in a manner of their choosing. I am still tired from skiing. :( Adeptus 12-12-2006, 07:40 PM Please don't confuse the Americans, Eire is an independant country within the British Isles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland Ireland (53°30′N 7°38′W; Irish: Éire; Scots:Airlann) is the third largest island in Europe. It lies in between the Atlantic Ocean and the Irish Sea. Politically it is divided into a sovereign state, the Republic of Ireland, that covers about five-sixths of the island (south, east, west and north-west), and Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom, covering the northeastern sixth of the island. I'm sure you know this, you live on the neighbouring island :rolleyes: Rich 12-12-2006, 09:57 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland Ireland (53°30′N 7°38′W; Irish: Éire; Scots:Airlann) is the third largest island in Europe. It lies in between the Atlantic Ocean and the Irish Sea. Politically it is divided into a sovereign state, the Republic of Ireland, that covers about five-sixths of the island (south, east, west and north-west), and Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom, covering the northeastern sixth of the island. I'm sure you know this, you live on the neighbouring island :rolleyes: Of course I know. Rich 12-12-2006, 10:04 PM The UK is united? Wow, You're talking about political differences, significant laws are applied equally to all. Oh and try the Canadian Rockies next time, not quite so high Rich 12-12-2006, 10:26 PM What do you mean how are they free? You just go down the Old and Lost River beds and pic em up. What about the pollutants they'll be full of?:confused: jsanders 12-13-2006, 12:15 AM What about the pollutants they'll be full of?:confused: Up yours...... Rich 12-13-2006, 12:33 AM Up yours...... Such a polite American christian response, who was it said they're the most polite members of the forum:rolleyes: Ron_dK 12-13-2006, 03:36 AM Such a polite American christian response, who was it said they're the most polite members of the forum:rolleyes: Selena ? :rolleyes: http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=108554 dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:12 AM Of course I know. You do now lmao :D Rich 12-13-2006, 06:18 AM You do now lmao :D you'll have to translate to English for me nikkypickles 12-13-2006, 06:29 AM Up yours...... I'm surprised by this response J. It's a reasonable question - particularly from the point of view that experience has taught most Brits not to eat things that wash up on OUR shores! dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:30 AM you'll have to translate to English for me "This is further confused by the fact that articles 2 & 3 in the constitution claim the North as part of Ireland." ref (http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/Eire/7.2.html) Rich 12-13-2006, 06:34 AM "This is further confused by the fact that articles 2 & 3 in the constitution claim the North as part of Ireland." ref (http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/Eire/7.2.html) I think you'll find that as part of the peace process that claim was relinquished dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:37 AM I think you'll find that as part of the peace process that claim was relinquished What did the Republic of Ireland get in return :confused: ColinEssex 12-13-2006, 06:38 AM I'm surprised by this response J. It's a reasonable question I'm afraid this is the normal standard for American responses these days. Rich is lucky not to be branded as "worthless" - its at the point where it's a waste of time posting an opinion because our American posters cannot seem to string a few polite words together to respond. Col Rich 12-13-2006, 06:41 AM What did the Republic of Ireland get in return :confused: Peac e Bodisathva 12-13-2006, 06:41 AM I'm afraid this is the normal standard for American responses these days. :confused: our American posters cannot seem to string a few polite words together to respond.Nice.:rolleyes: dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:44 AM I'm afraid this is the normal standard for American responses these days. Rich is lucky not to be branded as "worthless" - its at the point where it's a waste of time posting an opinion because our American posters cannot seem to string a few polite words together to respond. Col http://www.beiaardgroep.nl/bierinfo/pics/murphys_stout_logo.gif dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:45 AM Peac e Who from? :confused: Rich 12-13-2006, 06:47 AM Who from? :confused: Terrorist s dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:49 AM Terrorist s Claiming loyalty to whom? :confused: jsanders 12-13-2006, 06:50 AM I'm surprised by this response J. It's a reasonable question - particularly from the point of view that experience has taught most Brits not to eat things that wash up on OUR shores! Sorry Nikky, Trust me, that was not a reasonable question. Richard simple took, yet another, pleasant conversation about…anything, and turned it into America Bashing. Crawdads, crawfish, crayfish, don’t actually wash up on shore, they live in little holes in the mud and crawl out after it rains. And yes all over the world eating marine animals is of questionable safety. As a mater of fact the oceans fisheries are going to be virtually depleted in the next 30 years. Can you imagine the broken global eco system without fish? Rich 12-13-2006, 06:51 AM http://www.beiaardgroep.nl/bierinfo/pics/murphys_stout_logo.gif That's an old biddys drink:mad: ColinEssex 12-13-2006, 06:51 AM Claiming loyalty to whom? :confused: The Americans, who financed all their bombs and guns so innocent British people could be killed and injured by USA weaponry. Col Rich 12-13-2006, 06:52 AM Sorry Nikky, Trust me, that was not a reasonable question. Richard simple took, yet another, pleasant conversation about…anything, and turned it into America Bashing. Bullshit, you've shown consistenly that you're paranoid dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:53 AM That's an old biddys drink:mad: I thought it was bitter :confused: Bodisathva 12-13-2006, 06:53 AM Crawdads, crawfish, crayfish, don’t actually wash up on shore, they live in little holes in the mud and crawl out after it rains.Didn't know that...we always got them from under rocks in the creek. Rich 12-13-2006, 06:54 AM I thought it was bitter :confused: Nah, bitter's a mans drink:p jsanders 12-13-2006, 06:55 AM Bullshit, you've shown consistenly that you're paranoid Uh hu. I don’t think it’s paranoia to expect a yellow jacket to sting you. dan-cat 12-13-2006, 06:59 AM The Americans, who financed all their bombs and guns so innocent British people could be killed and injured by USA weaponry. Col I don't understand why some would be violent over a claim of part of the United Kingdom and others wouldn't. It doesn't seem very unified :confused: Rich 12-13-2006, 07:01 AM Uh hu. I don’t think it’s paranoia to expect a yellow jacket to sting you. I've told you before how encyclopaedic your ignorance is:rolleyes: More than 235,000 river miles in the United States have been channelized. More than 600,000 river miles are impounded behind dams. More than 25,000 river miles have been dredged for navigation. More than 50% of wetlands have been lost or destroyed nationwide in the past century. Nearly 40% of the rivers and streams in the U.S. are too polluted for fishing and swimming. Thirty percent of the native freshwater fish species in North America are threatened, endangered, or of special concern. ColinEssex 12-13-2006, 07:01 AM Trust me, that was not a reasonable question. Richard simple took, yet another, pleasant conversation about…anything, and turned it into America Bashing. Jennifer, I fail to see how an enquiry regarding pollutants of fish can be "America bashing" - it may interest you to know we don't have those fish here, so obviously we don't kno |