That really is a used expression in the USA? I remember the song "Dang Me" from way back, I thought it was a made up thing but not used.

Well, I guess so. I can't speak for all but I was raised an ole country boy and it was a very common thing to say where I come from.:)


Note you said this not me:D

I will do so. Truth hurts sometimes.



You should discuss with others (Americans) what their thoughts are on the standing is of the USA on the world stage and post their thoughts.

Home time now:D ;) Have a good evening

Col

May do that sometime. Too many hours left to go for me to go home but I'll work on having a good evening and you do the same.

Darn and all this time I thought we were a bunch war mongers, out to remake the world in our image.

I must be hangin’ out with the wrong crowd.

Mom warned me about that.

Well, you had the jump on me cause, I wasn't aware that we were until about a year ago when I started hanging out here and have been "enlightened' but a few of my buddies that reside in other countries.

Sorry, I thought I had said enough about Israel that "them" would be understood as Israel, but the answer is Israel.
Why should Israel be singled out as some special case, America wasn't particularly bothered about the plight of the Jews during WW11?:confused:

Well, you had the jump on me cause, I wasn't aware that we were until about a year ago when I started hanging out here and have been "enlightened' but a few of my buddies that reside in other countries.
That's because you're a product of the American proganda machine

Why should Israel be singled out as some special case, America wasn't particularly bothered about the plight of the Jews during WW11?:confused:

Yeah, and the British were so concerned.

Yeah, and the British were so concerned.
Yes Jen, that's one of the reasons we declared war on Facism, America of course pretended it was just a minor European squabble:rolleyes:

Can you please not change my quotes to suit your own end.
We have enough problems here getting the point across to the Americans as it is without an Antipodean coming along and changing the quotes.

If you wish to change my comment then protocol would dictate you ask first as a matter of politeness. :mad:
No offence meant... I did put it in brackets & italics to try & differentiate it from the rest. I've seen similar done before.
Maybe I should have made it more obvious it was a modification of the original. Bold? Underlined?

My point was, the Americans didn't start the depiction of JC as white, it had been done for centuries by the church in Europe.

That's because you're a product of the American proganda machine

That's what I've heard and heard.....and heard....and heard.:D

Why should Israel be singled out as some special case, America wasn't particularly bothered about the plight of the Jews during WW11?:confused:

I really don't why they should be singled out but they are. God has said they are His chosen people. As far as American wasn't bothered in WWII all I can do is tell ya if you say so, but since WWII America has been their ally.

I really don't why they should be singled out but they are. God has said they are His chosen people. As far as American wasn't bothered in WWII all I can do is tell ya if you say so, but since WWII America has been their ally.

For what reason?

That's what I've heard and heard.....and heard....and heard.:D

Its funny how you dont hear much about australia considering our pm is like best friends with americas president, and we are building nuclear power stations just because bush said so. Anyway back to relgion... has anyone seen the movie the "Skeleton Key"? because that kind of explains what i think religion is.

and we are building nuclear power stations just because bush said so.
Not yet we're not! Little Johnny wants to, but last I heard, power/nuke companies want "bipartisan support" (which isn't there at the moment) and would be looking at a time frame of "at least" 10 years away.

In fact, they just gave a grant to construct a big solar plant! :D

(besides... if Bush said it, it would be "nucular" power :p )

Not yet we're not! Little Johnny wants to, but last I heard, power/nuke companies want "bipartisan support" (which isn't there at the moment) and would be looking at a time frame of "at least" 10 years away.

In fact, they just gave a grant to construct a big solar plant! :D

(besides... if Bush said it, it would be "nucular" power :p )

Few thanks for the info, I actually work at renewable energy firm.

I really don't why they should be singled out but they are. God has said they are His chosen people. As far as American wasn't bothered in WWII all I can do is tell ya if you say so, but since WWII America has been their ally.
I see, so the rest of us are irrelevent then, whats the point in that case of worshiping this "loving" father?
Anyway I thought Jehovah witnesses were the chosen ones ?:confused:

No offence meant... I did put it in brackets & italics to try & differentiate it from the rest. I've seen similar done before.
Maybe I should have made it more obvious it was a modification of the original. Bold? Underlined?
or just add a rider to say you've changed the quote

My point was, the Americans didn't start the depiction of JC as white, it had been done for centuries by the church in Europe.
I wonder what would happen if Jesus was depicted as being black. That would cut the number of followers in the USA quite dramatically I should imagine - especially in the southern states

Col

Its funny how you dont hear much about australia considering our pm is like best friends with americas president,
I find that hard to believe because I should imagine Bush (like most Americans) has no idea where Australia is.
I read a US survey a while back and something like 70% didn't know where Europe was. (can't find the ref)

Remember the "world" to the USA is 2 countries (as in the world series)

Col

I see, so the rest of us are irrelevent then,
unless you can be hypocritical, look down on others, lead a double life and be brainwashed, lose track of reality etc

Col

I wonder what would happen if Jesus was depicted as being black. That would cut the number of followers in the USA quite dramatically I should imagine - especially in the southern states

Col
Looks like we'll find out soon;)
http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=239115&GT1=7701

Anyway I thought Jehovah witnesses were the chosen ones ?:confused:Nah...someone knocked on their door and told them they were:rolleyes:


Sorry Shane, I was going to poke and prod yesterday but got sidetracked with work...perhaps another time:) I think I'll exercise the better part of valor and keep my comments out of this one for a while:eek:

or just add a rider to say you've changed the quote


I wonder what would happen if Jesus was depicted as being black. That would cut the number of followers in the USA quite dramatically I should imagine - especially in the southern states

Col
In many, very popular, “southern’ churches he is, shown to be black.

Will you never learn any thing about us?

In many, very popular, “southern’ churches he is, shown to be black.

Will you never learn any thing about us?
You've forgotten to mention that only in Negro churches is he black, in fact in the white southern babtist belt nothing could be further from the truth.:rolleyes:

Do you not know anything about your own country?

You've forgotten to mention that only in Negro churches is he black, in fact in the white southern babtist belt nothing could be further from the truth.:rolleyes:

Do you not know anything about your own country?


He said southern churches, last time I checked Black Americans living in the south are actually Americans

So if a black church has a black Christ, and it’s in America then as usual another chalk up for the red, white, and blue.

But our British correspondences are SO dense they will never conceded defeat.

You two morons (Col and Rich) remind me of Monty Pythons “just a flesh wound” that must be some kind of British religion. It was so ingrained in your culture that it has become one of the most recognizable British one liners.

Never say die huh? Well that's commendable, but as I have tried to point out to you two for the last years or so, we kicked you out some 230 ago and we rekicked you off 194 years ago, its done, get over it.

Stop being jealous of us.

Will you never learn any thing about us?
Your post is helping me to move on, because it’s obvious that spending time here has become a terribly negative influence in my life.

I'll tell you what I've learned Jennifer - I've learnt that Americans can't make their minds up. Twice now you said you were leaving, but you are still here:rolleyes: :confused:

are you going or not Jenny? we don't know whether to have a collection or not.:rolleyes:

and where's Kenny babe - has he gone? being a mod to stressful I s'pose:rolleyes:

Col

And by the way, you read it right, I said morons. If the shoe fits wear it. If you don’t like it say something smart for a change…

Hmm

Ok say something not stupid, how’s that.

Naw, I’m just kidding. I’m actually in a good mood this morning, in spite of taking my girlfriends keys with me when I took my daughter to school. Oh wow, what a bummer that was.

I'll tell you what I've learned Jennifer - I've learnt that Americans can't make their minds up. Twice now you said you were leaving, but you are still here:rolleyes: :confused:

are you going or not Jenny? we don't know whether to have a collection or not.:rolleyes:

and where's Kenny babe - has he gone? being a mod to stressful I s'pose:rolleyes:

Col

Someone needs to keep you two straightened out.

He said southern churches, last time I checked Black Americans living in the south are actually Americans

So if a black church has a black Christ, and it’s in America then as usual another chalk up for the red, white, and blue.

But our British correspondences are SO dense they will never conceded defeat.

You two morons (Col and Rich) remind me of Monty Pythons “just a flesh wound” that must be some kind of British religion. It was so ingrained in your culture that it has become one of the most recognizable British one liners.

Never say die huh? Well that's commendable, but as I have tried to point out to you two for the last years or so, we kicked you out some 230 ago and we rekicked you off 194 years ago, its done, get over it.

Stop being jealous of us.

NURSE!!!!! get the screens, he's babbling again. He's resorted to the old American name calling standby that Ken uses so well, and it looks like he's lost it:p

Col

Someone needs to keep you two straightened out.
sorry, I missed them, have they logged out now?:confused:

Colo

He's resorted to the old American name calling standby that Ken uses so well


I'll tell you what I've learned Jennifer :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:
Daniella - calling someone by their name is not the same as calling someone a "moron" - maybe it is in the USA:cool:

Col

Daniella - calling someone by their name is not the same as calling someone a "moron" - maybe it is in the USA:cool:

Col

sorry Col,

Didn't realize that I was being insulting. hehehehe

He said southern churches, last time I checked Black Americans living in the south are actually Americans



Pity you didn't tell the whites that when they were leaving their church on a Sunday to go and lynch the Blacks and burn down their houses etc:rolleyes:

You two morons (Col and Rich) .
Actually I don't belong to that church and I don't think Col does either

Pity you didn't tell the whites that when they were leaving their church on a Sunday to go and lynch the Blacks and burn down their houses etc:rolleyes:

Are you trying to make a real conversation here? Or is the gin setting in already?

Or is the gin setting in already?
thats a girls drink:rolleyes:

Col

Pity you didn't tell the whites that when they were leaving their church on a Sunday to go and lynch the Blacks and burn down their houses etc:rolleyes:only when you withdrawl your troops from the siege of Jerusalem...:rolleyes:

What sort of knot in the space-time continuum are you stuck in, anyway?:eek:

only when you withdrawl your troops from the siege of Jerusalem...:rolleyes:


Eh?:confused:


What sort of knot in the space-time continuum are you stuck in, anyway?:eek
Not stuck in any time warp, when's Jackson gonna be elected Preident?:eek: :rolleyes:

Eh?:confused:exactly:rolleyes: Not stuck in any time warp, when's Jackson gonna be elected Preident?:eek: :rolleyes:Michael? I think he's trying to get into Catholic Seminary...

OH...Jesse? He's still in line at Denny's

Eh?:confused:



Not stuck in any time warp, when's Jackson gonna be elected Preident?:eek: :rolleyes:

Jackson?

If he were a viable candidate maybe.

Now Condi Rice; she just might have a chance.

Now Condi Rice; she just might have a chance.just like a snowball in hell if it has a ball-cap.

Bring on Hillary:eek: There's even been some intellectualizing over whether or not it would be possible for Bill to be the VP :D

just like a snowball in hell if it has a ball-cap.

Bring on Hillary:eek: There's even been some intellectualizing over whether or not it would be possible for Bill to be the VP :D

Don't misunderstand me I don't want any of the current republicans to be in office. I merely stated that she has a chance of being elected. That is if any Republicans does, which is doubtful.

The Republicans need to take a vacation so they can get ready for their next round of raping the American economy; this latest stint has run its course.

It time for a political thread. Religion is really not much fun to debate.

exactly:rolleyes:
I guess Jenny was referring to you when she mentioned somebody drinking girls liquid:rolleyes:

It time for a political thread. Religion is really not much fun to debate.
And the world would be a better place if we banned religion altogether

I guess Jenny was referring to you when she mentioned somebody drinking girls liquid:rolleyes:

Aren't all British subjects required to drink tea in the morning and towards noon start on the gin?

And the world would be a better place if we banned religion altogether

Right; another fine example of British freedom.

Right; another fine example of British freedom.
Just like this one, aint it funny how America says terrorism is a new threat to America:rolleyes:

I remember the bombing of that Sunday School at 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham in 1963. I did not see it happen, but I heard it happen, and I felt it happen, just a few blocks away at my father’s church. It is a sound that I will never forget, that will forever reverberate in my ears. That bomb took the lives of four young girls, including my friend and playmate, Denise McNair. The crime was calculated to suck the hope out of young lives, bury their aspirations. But those fears were not propelled forward, those terrorists failed.[7]

— Condoleezza Rice, Commencement 2004, Vanderbilt University, May 13, 2004

I guess Jenny was referring to you when she mentioned somebody drinking girls liquid:rolleyes:I was being intentionally vague in an obviously misdirected attempt at instigating thought, thereby allowing you to connect the dots in my analysis of your extremely timeline/current-event-challenged interpretations of life on the other side of the pond... without coming right out and calling you a [insert expletive here] nutter

I guess I'll have to be more blatent next time, sorry:o

I was being intentionally vague in an obviously misdirected attempt at instigating thought, thereby allowing you to connect the dots in my analysis of your extremely timeline/current-event-challenged interpretations of life on the other side of the pond... without coming right out and calling you a [insert expletive here] nutter

I guess I'll have to be more blatent next time, sorry:o
Which part of your history are you having a problem with, the British events you're using as a reference happened centuries ago, can the same be said for yours that I mention?:rolleyes:

Which part of your history are you having a problem with, the British events you're using as a reference happened centuries ago, can the same be said for yours that I mention?:rolleyes:I'd consider 40 years far enough in the past that they can no longer be considered current events. Whether 1066 or 1966, it is not applicable to current, daily life.

I'd consider 40 years far enough in the past that they can no longer be considered current events. Whether 1066 or 1966, it is not applicable to current, daily life.
That would only hold water if it were true that the white southern belt would be prepared to vote for a coloured president, are you suggesting that it now will?

That would only hold water if it were true that the white southern belt would be prepared to vote for a coloured president, are you suggesting that it now will?Nope. If there were a vote here it would be for an "African American"... we never spelled it c-o-l-o-u-r and the term "colored" became taboo 40 years ago when the racial termoil came to a close. Present-day, Rich, present-day.:rolleyes:

I will also point out that there is a loooooong distance between not voting for them because of their skin color and looking for the sturdiest branch in the oak tree:eek:

Nope. If there were a vote here it would be for an "African American"... we never spelled it c-o-l-o-u-r and the term "colored" became taboo 40 years ago when the racial termoil came to a close. Present-day, Rich, present-day.:rolleyes:

I will also point out that there is a loooooong distance between not voting for them because of their skin color and looking for the sturdiest branch in the oak tree:eek:
There's no such word as colored or termoil, I'm neither American nor living in America, don't therefore lecture me on the English language!
Oh and by the way your fellow American Kraj, doesn't agree with your hypothesis.
As for the present day Americans,you still live by a scrap of paper over two centuries out of date, any chance you might get up to date with the 21st century:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

sigh... who said they wanted to discuss politics? :rolleyes:

I see, so the rest of us are irrelevent then, whats the point in that case of worshiping this "loving" father?
Anyway I thought Jehovah witnesses were the chosen ones ?:confused:

No, we're no irrelevent. There's more to how it goes and there are numerous reasons for worshiping this "loving Father."

Jehovah witnesses. Chosen? Where did that come from?

For what reason?

No reason given. I guess that's why the term "choosen" is used. God made a covenant with Abraham, in Gensis, and in that conenant God said that Israel would be is choosen people and that He would be their God. It's called the Abrahamic covenant. Much more to it than this though. It also had conditions, which is where we (Gentiles) come in.:D

There's no such word as colored or termoil, I'm neither American nor living in America, don't therefore lecture me on the English language!
Oh and by the way your fellow American Kraj, doesn't agree with your hypothesis.
As for the present day Americans,you still live by a scrap of paper over two centuries out of date, any chance you might get up to date with the 21st century:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

We invented the 21st century.

We invented the 21st century.
Jen stop cracking jokes this early in the morning:rolleyes:

sigh... who said they wanted to discuss politics? :rolleyes:
It's inevitable since they are both intertwined:rolleyes:

Jehovah witnesses. Chosen? Where did that come from?
Jehovah witnesses

God said that Israel would be is choosen people

So this loving father had favourites then, what a good example for the rest of us

Whether 1066 or 1966, it is not applicable to current, daily life.

God made a covenant with Abraham, in Gensis, and in that conenant God said that Israel would be is choosen people and that He would be their God

Isn't it amazing, we have Bod bleating on about stuff thats only 40 years old not being relevant to daily life.

Then we have Shaney going on about some scribblings that are thousands of years old that he thinks are relevant to daily life. But Bod obviously doesn't because its >40 years old.

Then you get the scraps of paper 200 odd years old that the Yanks seem to hold dear but ignore when it suits - so are these relevant to daily life?

Someones not playing the white man here - you can't both be right:confused:

Clarification needed I think

Col

We invented the 21st century.

Jenny, I love that - that phrase just sums up the whole American attitude that Yanks are in some way better than the rest.

You - in 5 words, have at last agreed with what Rich and I have been going on about for years - the way the Americans think they own the place and can ride roughshod over the world.

That quote will reappear frequently (trust me) as the American way of thought:rolleyes:

Col

Rich, you are trying my patience with the animosity you project when backed into a corner. turmoil...so I don't spell check, sue me. as for the other, Colored and person of color (or people of color in the plural sense) are terms that were commonly used to describe people who do not have white skin or a Caucasian appearance. This usually meant African Americans and other blacks, although the terms can be applied to members of other races as well. The term "colored" in particular (along with "Negro") largely has fallen out of popular usage in the United States, diminishing in frequency in the last third of the 20th century. now onto someone who can be civilized:rolleyes: Someones not playing the white man here:eek: not another word about southern racial tensionsClarification needed I thinkOK...we are all individuals and therefore have our own opinions. I consider the past to be a learning experience by which we guide our present path as opposed to a rigid set of laws by which we are chained. Times change and society evolves, therefore the rules must also evolve. I do not consider myself responsible for the racial tensions of the 60's anymore than the Jewish usurpation of the "holy land". But that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just as Shane is entitled to his faith. Just because you may consider them to be at odds doesn't mean that we cannot conduct ourselves with respect for each and direct the path of our society with some sort of compromise.

...or we could all just go to our respective corners and commece slinging the racial and religious epithets

I consider the past to be a learning experience by which we guide our present path as opposed to a rigid set of laws by which we are chained. Times change and society evolves, therefore the rules must also evolve. I do not consider myself responsible for the racial tensions of the 60's anymore than the Jewish usurpation of the "holy land". But that is my opinion and I am entitled to it just as Shane is entitled to his faith. Just because you may consider them to be at odds doesn't mean that we cannot conduct ourselves with respect for each and direct the path of our society with some sort of compromise.

...or we could all just go to our respective corners and commece slinging the racial and religious epithets
I was merely saying that you think anything 40 years+ in age is irrelevant whereas there is always quotes that your 200+ year old papers are almost sacred, and worse still some 2000+ year old scraps are even more sacred.

Who is right? what your saying is that something is irrelevant except where "we" say it isn't.
You say "rules must evolve" but the bible is as outdated as prehistoric mans IT skills. There is nothing in the bible that can point to an exact event - its all up to the reader to mis-interpret and bend it to suit their needs.
Your constitution about carrying guns like modern day Wyatt Earp is outdated but won't be changed because its a vote loser.

As for racial tensions of the 60's, what about the LA riots you had a few years ago or is that outdated now because its a few years old.
What about the lack of support for blacks after Katrina? or is that outdated as its 14 months old?

BTW I think Rich was referring to the misspelling of the word "coloured" (I may be wrong)

Col

what about the LA riots you had a few years ago or is that outdated now because its a few years old.
Col


Those weren’t actually racial riots. They were a bunch of unruly young men using it as an excuse to rape and pillage.

You - in 5 words, have at last agreed with what Rich and I have been going on about for years -
Col

Why would you "go on” about someone else’s over inflated opinion of themselves?

Unless of course it's because of your jealousy, of their superior position in the world, and far more advanced culture.

It’s interesting to watch two grown men act so paranoid.

Those weren’t actually racial riots.
I thought the riots were as a result of the cops being let off for beating Rodney King in a racial attack and also at the fact no blacks were in the jury.

A jury was chosen that contained eleven white jurors and one of Philipino descent. Black civil rights activists complained that no blacks were chosen for the jury and that the choice of jurors was another example of racism. obviously the complaint was ignored because it can't be seen for whites to be jailed for beating up a black.

ref (http://www.emergency.com/la-riots.htm)

Is this your last day Jenny? its 3 days now since you said you were leaving:rolleyes: ;) :D

Col

Personally, I happen to agree with you whole-heartedly about the relevance, substance, and accuracy of the Biblical writings. But again, that boils down to a matter of faith, which is stronger, and more dangerous, than any established government. As for the Constitution, those issues which it does not directly establish precedent, are interpreted by the Supreme Court. Is it out-dated? Probably. I'm of the mind that it is all pretty nifty in theory, but the practical application proves itself to be much more difficult. That is, unfortunately, a problem with any system designed to govern an animal as unpredictable as man.

The LA riots? Were created by those living in sub-standard conditions (for a plethora of reasons, none of which were "whitey keepin' us down"), who were reacting to a perceived slight. That perception was fueled by their living condidtions, but the unfortunate fact is that Rodney King was a f*****g moron, strung out on crack, travelling in excess of 100mph in a Hyundai, that was not bright enough to lay down when 5 guys with guns, clubs, and badges told him to. What did he expect them to do? Tickle him? The whole mess was a byproduct of stupidity, not race...the race card was an excuse.

As for Katrina, it was a disaster. I'm not a Bush fan, but it wasn't his job, that's what FEMA is for. Of couse when the majority of the effected population is black, the race card comes out again. I could expound upon the quirky by-product of the 1960's called reverse-discrimination, but that's another topic for another time.

I thought the riots were as a result of the cops being let off for beating Rodney King

Col




So, in your country; It's OK to rape and burn a large portion of a city because one person (you don't even know) got a raw deal?

No, it was not about white racism it was about inner city people wanting to exert their culture. Which is lawlessness, drugs, abandoning their children, and no concern for advancing their lives or getting an education.

Racism; what a crock.

Are you really that dense, as to continue to blame white America for the plight of inner city people? Palease you might as well blame yourselves for the plight of Africa.

Are you kidding?

I truly can not believe you actually think that.

As for Katrina, it was a disaster. I'm not a Bush fan, but it wasn't his job, that's what FEMA is for.

Actually it is his fault; personally and historically.

In his effort to fulfill his dream of a Neo American Fascist state he created the Department of Home Land Security.

Well it immediately set about demoralizing FEMA and within 9 months FEMA was bleeding talent and commitment.

No, most all of what we are facing in the way of hardship, is attributable to the Bush administration.

If you choose to look at it from that point of view, I'll accept it as his fault. But you can't call it racially motivated.

So, in your country; It's OK to rape and burn a large portion of a city because one person (you don't even know) got a raw deal?
that wasn't the point - the ref I made indicated that the cops who clubbed a bloke senseless were subsequently let off by a mostly white jury with no black representation. Hence the riots, it was seen as yet another cover up and biased towards the whites.

Are you really that dense, as to continue to blame white America for the plight of inner city people?
the inner city people seem to

Palease you might as well blame yourselves for the plight of Africa.now now - I know the USA is helping loads down there, especially where the oil is

I truly can not believe you actually think that.
I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows. . . . . . . . ;)

Rodney King was a f*****g moron, strung out on crack


so you don't like him then?
here's a quote from my reference. . . .King was not found to have been using PCP, but was found to have a blood alcohol level of.19,

Col

the inner city people seem to


Col

Of course, it's always better to blame the other guy.

Actually it is his fault; personally and historically.


I remember reading somewhere that the Bush admin stopped the funding for the upgrade of the dykes, then diverted the money to the war, which is much more fun. Any truth in that?

Incidentally, did you know that more US military has been killed in Iraq than people were killed in the twin towers falling over?

Col

Nikky - I spent several years going to a christian church, I got involved with the "senior" members there because my brother-in-law was a deacon.

I just could not believe the hypocritical attitude of them (the members). They despised "non-believers". The treasurer skimmed 10% of the offering. They openly slagged of other members. They had affairs with others wives. They lived a "non-christian" life during the week and became "christians" on sundays. It was awful, and this was a Baptist church.

I gave up because I couldn't live my life as being a hypocritical lie.

Col


Yikes! Not the sort of answer I was expecting, but it does explain a lot.

I was more interested in statistics. We've seen the Christian (and all it's many branches - Catholic, Mormon, Anglican, etc. etc. etc. - nearly as many variations as ice creams in America ;) ) and atheist and pantheist/agnostic.
Does no-one on here practise Hinduism or Buddhism?


By the way, I know - without bothering to read all eleven pages - that this thread descended, as it usually does, into a transAtlantic slanging match, which is why I am trying to get the thread back on topic without making a complete tit of myself by losing my temper. :rolleyes:

I remember reading somewhere that the Bush admin stopped the funding for the upgrade of the dykes, then diverted the money to the war, which is much more fun. Any truth in that?

Incidentally, did you know that more US military has been killed in Iraq than people were killed in the twin towers falling over?

Col

We need to start a new thread but today I have deadlines. I think you will be very impressed with my next thread.

Republican and in particular, Bush Bashing.

If you choose to look at it from that point of view, I'll accept it as his fault. But you can't call it racially motivated.
why not? its well known Bush doesn't like blacks - old Condo is only there as a token black, and female to boot.

If Katrina had happened in California, it would have been cleared and rebuilt within a year.
Even that foreign geezer (who did those porn movies) who's the "guvnor" there would have made sure of that. I forget his name now. . . . .something typically American . . . . . . . .:rolleyes: ;)

Col

so you don't like him then?I never said that. Finding someone to be a complete idiot doesn't mean I don't like him. I don't know him, he's not in my social circle, and quite frankly, his actions did not have an effect on my personal situations, I am therefore indifferent. But he's still a moron.
here's a quote from my reference. . . .ok. so I'll retract the crack comment (which incidently isn't PCP, but you knew that:D )...it doesn't make him any less an idiot, it just means he wasn't guilty of using an illegal substance. Don't forget, travelling at over 100mph in a Hyundai, while it is an impressive feat to accomplish, turns the vehicle into a weapon. He was acting in a manner which was dangerous to not only the people around him, but the officers trying to stop him. When the nice officers finally get you to stop and tell you to lay down, you do as you are told. It was one stupid decision in a long list of stupid decisions.

that this thread descended, as it usually does, into a transAtlantic slanging match, which is why I am trying to get the thread back on topic without making a complete tit of myself by losing my temper. :rolleyes:
Quite right Nikky. Rich and I do try to keep the Yanks under control but they just ignore us;) or argue every point we make - its so tiresome.

Col

He was acting in a manner which was dangerous to not only the people around him, but the officers trying to stop him. When the nice officers finally get you to stop and tell you to lay down, you do as you are told. It was one stupid decision in a long list of stupid decisions.
I know all that, and agree - but it was the outcome and way the trial was conducted that prompted the riots.

Col

If Katrina had happened in California, it would have been cleared and rebuilt within a year.
Col

Are you comparring CA with LA?

This transcends all accounting.

From one, if not the most, educated and wealthy states, to the least.

California and Louisiana represent the furthest extremes of America Life. I’m not sure there is as much difference between European countries as there is between those two states.

I know all that, and agree - but it was the outcome and way the trial was conducted that prompted the riots.

Col

Funny thing is old Rodny went to jail just a little while later on a new charge of DUI this time it was drugs.

Funny thing is old Rodny went to jail just a little while later on a new charge of DUI this time it was drugs.
Here's something I didn't know

Rodney King won a $3.8m damages from the City of Los Angeles.ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2119943.stm) thats got to be worth it - note to self. . . . when's the next flight to LA

also (from the same source)

In July 1991, an independent commission ordered to investigate the LAPD delivered a damning verdict.
Its report documented what it described as the systematic use of excessive force and institutionalised racism.

so I was right, it was racist.:D Surely you can't argue against an independent report.

Col

If Katrina had happened in California, it would have been cleared and rebuilt within a year. New Orleans had governmental "issues" long before Katrina came to town...she just provided the catalyst which placed them so squarely in the public eye that they couldn't just be swept under the rug and ignored.Even that foreign geezer (who did those porn movies) who's the "guvnor" there would have made sure of that.Quite right, Ah-nold would have gone downtown in his Hummer, guns blazing and crushed the puny little girly-man looters.:eek:

Here's something I didn't know

ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2119943.stm) thats got to be worth it - note to self. . . . when's the next flight to LA

also (from the same source)



so I was right, it was racist.:D Surely you can't argue against an independent report.

Col

I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. But that it was merely an excuse to riot.

Then we have Shaney going on about some scribblings that are thousands of years old that he thinks are relevant to daily life. But Bod obviously doesn't because its >40 years old.
Col

Hey Col,

1. I thought I was following the topic of this thread, with my responses, therefor not hijacking it.

2. I also thought I was answering questions that were asked of me. My faith is mine. I will share it if asked but I do not feel it is my job to convert anyone. If you don't believe then don't, but I really can't see where you found it necessary to throw this in.

3. No matter what someone does or does not believe, I still have enough respect for the individual that taking something that is important to them and throwing degrading verbage at it, is something I won't do.

Shaney, I was trying to indicate that Bod thinks anything 40+ years old is outdated and irrelevant. Whereas your constitution is 200+ years and the bible is thousands, yet both (I understand) are still followed to the letter.

So, how can the latter 2 be relevent? the bible says whatever you want it to, and the constitution says you can all go round like Jesse James carrying a gun.

I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. But that it was merely an excuse to riot.

sorry Jenny - thats at odds with what you said originally when I suggested the LA riots were racist instigated.

Those weren’t actually racial riots.


Col

Shaney, I was trying to indicate that Bod thinks anything 40+ years old is outdated and irrelevant. Whereas your constitution is 200+ years and the bible is thousands, yet both (I understand) are still followed to the letter.Geez...have you been watching FOX news again? I said the racial turmoil of the 1960s is no longer a descriptive for present day, i.e. you cannot make comments like Rich's along the lines of "don't lynch anyone on the way home from church". That's like assuming that persons of color are still forced to sit in the back of the bus and drink from separate water fountains.sorry Jenny - thats at odds with what you said originally when I suggested the LA riots were racist instigated.You lost me on that one:confused: I could have sworn we tried to tell you that the riots were not racially motivated, but the "racial motivation" was an excuse used by the rioters. To use your favorite subject, think "war on terror in Iraq" when you know full well it's all about the oil:rolleyes:

sorry Jenny - thats at odds with what you said originally when I suggested the LA riots were racist instigated.






Col

They weren't, as I said racism was an excuse.

Shaney, I was trying to indicate that Bod thinks anything 40+ years old is outdated and irrelevant. Whereas your constitution is 200+ years and the bible is thousands, yet both (I understand) are still followed to the letter.Col

I understood the context of what you were saying. I think it the necessity of not calling by my name and using things like "going on" and "scribbling" that I was referring to.

They weren't, as I said racism was an excuse.
so what does "excessive force and institutionalised racism" mean then if its not racialist? I take it to mean the LAPD is racial to the core and as a result, you had the riots.

you said they wern't "actually racial riots" - you never mentioned the word "excuse" till later.

Geez...have you been watching FOX news again?
no, its American and owned by an Australian (which is basically the same):D.
In case you haven't been there, Australia is a mini version of the USA, its very American in its ways.

Col

I think it the necessity of not calling by my name
is your name not Shaney then?:confused:

Col

no, its American and owned by an Australian (which is basically the same):D. That explains a lot, then:D In case you haven't been there, Australia is a mini version of the USA, its very American in its ways.While the Great Outback is on my list of places to visit before I go on to that great argument in the sky, I was under the impression from one of the newer members that the Aussies had some kind of hard-on for the US like the rest of the planet seems to. Are you saying it was just youthful impertinence?

I was under the impression from one of the newer members that the Aussies had some kind of hard-on for the US like the rest of the planet seems to. Are you saying it was just youthful impertinence?
I lived in Oz for 3 years in Sydney. Bearing in mind it was a few years ago. At that time the whole lifestyle was "USA" - big automatic cars, adverts every 30 seconds on TV, loads of channels, fast food (we first encountered McDonalds there) everything was neon and glitzy, fast talking DJ's on the radio using "Americanisms", super beaches, hot sunshine.

It was totally different from the UK at that time, and seemed to encompass many things we'd seen in books about the USA - Las Vegas + California beaches + stunning suntanned girls + barbecues etc etc

Col

is your name not Shaney then?:confused:

Col

Just Shane

Just Shane
Didn't you used to be a cowboy?:confused:

Rich, you are trying my patience with the animosity you project when backed into a corner. turmoil...so I don't spell check, sue me. as for the other,
I responded in the manner in which you posted oh and don't quote an American encyclopedia as evidence against the American bastardisation of the English language, just do the American norm and run to your lawer, if the trial's held in America you'll win:rolleyes:

Just Shane
whats Shaney then? some sort of nickname?:confused:

Col

whats Shaney then? some sort of nickname?:confused:
Col

I guess. I've never been called that by any one. My wife calls me Shane man that's why I chose that handle for here. In high school my nickname was Okie cause I'm from Oklahoma. The only Shaney I ever knew was my uncles dog.:rolleyes: I don't think my uncle liked me much.


Originally Posted by ShaneMan
Just Shane

Didn't you used to be a cowboy?

Still am to a certain degree

cause I'm from Oklahoma.
Well never mind, we've all got our cross to bear

I responded in the manner in which you postedI wasn't the one resorting to exclamations... oh and don't quote an American encyclopedia as evidence against the American bastardisation of the English languageBut if we're discussing events and ideas which take place in the US, do we not use proper terminology? For instance, here we refer to the restroom, there you refer to a loo. Context, context, context.just do the American norm and run to your lawer, if the trial's held in America you'll win:rolleyes:yet another stereotype...how typical:rolleyes:

For instance, here we refer to the restroom, there you refer to a loo.
Loo, bog, John, crapper, shithouse, toilet, bathroom, . . . all used in the UK (not John so much because its American)

I use bog personally. "Where's the bog?":rolleyes:

Col

Context, context, context.yet another stereotype...how typical:rolleyes:
Well, sorry to disappoint but I've already posted an American report to support the fact that America is a sue all culture, I guess Americans can't rely on God to bring them justice :rolleyes:

I use bog personally. "Where's the bog?":rolleyes:I like it:D

Well, sorry to disappoint but I've already posted an American report to support the fact that America is a sue all culture, I guess Americans can't rely on God to bring them justice :rolleyes:Thank you for once again teaching me how things are here. I bow, once again, to your superior knowledge of my home. I honestly don't know how I would get though life if not for the learned pearls of wisdom granted me by such a kind tutor from across the sea...


:rolleyes:

Thank you for once again teaching me how things are here. I bow, once again, to your superior knowledge of my home. I honestly don't know how I would get though life if not for the learned pearls of wisdom granted me by such a kind tutor from across the sea...


:rolleyes:
We're happy to help. Don't be embarrassed.;) We've helped Jenny, Kenny, Shaney, Kraj, Vass and many others

Col

I like it:D
we never say "Restroom" - its a bit. . . you know. . . . wussy:rolleyes:

In fact, I just said to the girls "have you checked the windows in the bogs?" (its nearly hometime)

Col

We're happy to help. Don't be embarrassed.;) We've helped Jenny, Kenny, Shaney, Kraj, Vass and many othersAnd we do so appreciate it...why, there are times when I wish I could thank you in person:rolleyes:

we never say "Restroom" - its a bit. . . you know. . . . wussy:rolleyes: Agreed, but you don't have your job long after you exclaim "Hey, where's the f*****g crapper?":eek:


EDIT: Enjoy your weekend. I have another meeting and I'm out as well.

And we do so appreciate it...why, there are times when I wish I could thank you in person:rolleyes:
How odd you should say that. . . . .I spoke to Rich on the phone only yesterday and we discussed popping over to Pencil-Vainia to see you:D :eek:

Col

How odd you should say that. . . . .I spoke to Rich on the phone only yesterday and we discussed popping over to Pencil-Vainia to see you:D :eek:Quite...wine is chilling in the cellar, hot tub is in order, guest room prepared...

Agreed, but you don't have your job long after you exclaim "Hey, where's the f*****g crapper?":eek:
thats ok (in places) except for the F word. But its ok to say it all in the presence of teenagers:rolleyes:

"Restroom" gives the impression of a lounge type place with nice squashy armchairs, soft music, newspapers etc. . . . . . . not somewhere to rush into when you're desperate for a slash:eek:

Col

Thank you for once again teaching me how things are here. I bow, once again, to your superior knowledge of my home. I honestly don't know how I would get though life if not for the learned pearls of wisdom granted me by such a kind tutor from across the sea...


:rolleyes:
That's ok, it's a pleasure to actually educate Americans, tough though the job is, somebody's got to do it. Still it's free even if it doesn't follow the patriotic greatness of your normal state education :rolleyes:

We're happy to help. Don't be embarrassed.;) We've helped Jenny, Kenny, Shaney, Kraj, Vass and many others

Col


The only thing I’ve learned from you two is to question ever telling anyone about my British ancestry.

Although some of my British ancestors were Irish (about half of the British part) so I guess I can still claim that.

The only thing I’ve learned from you two is to question ever telling anyone about my British ancestry.

Although some of my British ancestors were Irish (about half of the British part) so I guess I can still claim that.
I wouldn't tell the Irish that you think they were British, and how do you do you get about a half?:confused:

Why does Ireland have one rugby team but 2 soccer teams? (yes, I know you call it football)

Why does Ireland have one rugby team but 2 soccer teams? (yes, I know you call it football)
Have they?:confused:

I wouldn't tell the Irish that you think they were British, and how do you do you get about a half?:confused:

Well let me see if I can explain this so you'll understand.

Some of my ancestors were English and some were German, still others were French, some were American Indian and some were Irish. So if you include the Irish ones with the English and call them British, then about half of those are Irish.

Ireland and England are two separate countries, Eire or Ireland or The Republic of Ireland is not British although it is a member of The British Isles,
please don't insult the Irish, they take umbrage at being called British, the same as Canadians don't like being called American

Ireland and England are two separate countries, Eire or Ireland or The Republic of Ireland is not British although it is a member of The British Isles,
please don't insult the Irish, they take umbrage at being called British, the same as Canadians don't like being called American

Ah, but you see Canadians, actually are Americans, the same as Columbians, and Mexicans are.

It's funny how only People from The United States are called Americans.

Ah, but you see Canadians, actually are Americans, the same as Columbians, and Mexicans are.

It's funny how only People from The United States are called Americans.
No it's not funny Jen, the other countries you've mentioned have no wish to be associated with America, the common name now associated with the Ununited States

Ah, but you see Canadians, actually are Americans, the same as Columbians, and Mexicans are.

It's funny how only People from The United States are called Americans.

Strictly speaking, yes, they're all from North America.
However, if you come to Canada, I wouldn't call too many people American. They don't appreciate it.

Strictly speaking, yes, they're all from North America.
However, if you come to Canada, I wouldn't call too many people American. They don't appreciate it.
I thought Columbia was in South America, has it been moved?:confused:

I thought Columbia was in South America, has it been moved?:confused:

I didn't notice that one :o

Between that and the Alaska/Canada debate on another thread, it's not been a good week for my geographical knowledge, all round.

Strictly speaking, yes, they're all from North America.
However, if you come to Canada, I wouldn't call too many people American. They don't appreciate it.
It was tongue and cheek.

I didn't notice that one :o

Between that and the Alaska/Canada debate on another thread, it's not been a good week for my geographical knowledge, all round.

South America is still an American Continent.

Well never mind, we've all got our cross to bear

Never considered it a cross, more like a privilege, but thanks for the unnecessary dig anyway. Wouldn't have expected anything less of ya.

We're happy to help. Don't be embarrassed.;) We've helped Jenny, Kenny, Shaney, Kraj, Vass and many others

Col

Collie, I just got through explaining to you my name is not Shaney!

Never considered it a cross, more like a privilege, but thanks for the unnecessary dig anyway. Wouldn't have expected anything less of ya.
Well if it's such a nice place why aren't you right back where you started from?:confused:

Well if it's such a nice place why aren't you right back where you started from?:confused:


I'm just two hours away from it but unfortuately this is where my family and I have our business so I stay for business reasons.

What business would that be?

What business would that be?

We sell custom rehab medical equipment. Mainly to pediatrics. More custom wheelchairs and seating systems but we also do about anything that has to do with ambulatory, standing, bathing, toileting or ADL's.

Well if it's such a nice place why aren't you right back where you started from?:confused:

Well Duh cause now he lives in Texas. He got tired of crying over UT beating the sox off of Oklahoma.

Well Duh cause now he lives in Texas. He got tired of crying over UT beating the sox off of Oklahoma.

2 in a row and we go to braggin'. Wanna count NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS?:p

We sell custom rehab medical equipment. Mainly to pediatrics. More custom wheelchairs and seating systems but we also do about anything that has to do with ambulatory, standing, bathing, toileting or ADL's.
The demand is higher in Texas?

The demand is higher in Texas?

The demand would be some what higher just because of the speciality hospitals and rehabs in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, but more than anything the funding sources are easier to work through in Texas and Texas has more government funding sources to get children with a disablity some help. Oklahoma is no where near the size of Texas and does not have any where near the amount of money. (but if you look at the map...Okla is still on top:D )

I lived in Oz for 3 years in Sydney. Bearing in mind it was a few years ago. At that time the whole lifestyle was "USA" - big automatic cars, adverts every 30 seconds on TV, loads of channels, fast food (we first encountered McDonalds there) everything was neon and glitzy, fast talking DJ's on the radio using "Americanisms", super beaches, hot sunshine.
Yep, Sydney appears to many of us outsiders to be a tryhard US city... as are Melbourne & Brisbane, to a lesser extent.
And I can't speak for the many country towns, as I don't know what country towns are like in USA.
But the smaller capitals, such as my home town Adelaide, are a little more quiet & European in feel.
As a result, we get called slow or behind the times by our Eastern neighbours.
(They say when crossing the border into the SA timezone, you turn your clock back 30 minutes and 20 years :rolleyes: )

In fact, the other country Australia is most like would have to be Canada. I went there on holidays in 2000, and it felt like a home away from home (except with different accents & weather :p )

The only reason i dislike relgion is beacuse it creates two types of people, believers and non-believers

This statment is not true because religion is about tolerance and respect.

There are some people unforetunately who put on a religion mask to commit crimes or earn money. However, if you search, you will find that it really helps to be religious in many ways.

This statment is not true because religion is about tolerance and respect.
Not to mention Crusades / Jihads, Inquisitions, Excommunications... :rolleyes:

How about those that maybe do not follow a structured religion but would like to hedge their bets in that they nevertheless consider themselves to be Christian (or whatever) in the manner in which they live their lives.

L

Those who think or believe there may be something spirity around them but do not want to adhere themselves to a religion maybe they would like to see what happened to me a completely none believer in anything when I was in my early fifties could maybe look at my journal by the link.

Talk about hedging one's bets.

Adeptus:

In fact, the other country Australia is most like would have to be Canada.

Having had the great pleasure to visit Canada a few years ago with my wife, I was pleased to find much of that country quite charming. It was described to me by folks there as "more European" in nature. However, Montreal is closer to a USA-type city. Toronto was not.

I will not speak ill of the folks in Canada, having been treated quite nicely while there. Also, my dear wife just LOVED the end of the trip - not because it was the end, but because it was in Niagara. She had never seen the falls before and was enthralled by them. Though the Thousand Island region was also fascinating to her.

One other reason I enjoyed the visit was because I am from south Louisiana, which is where many Acadians moved when they left to avoid British rule. The southern end of Quebec Province reminded us both of south Louisiana, with many signs in French and many homes in the style that we call "Acadian." It was like being at home without actually being at home.

Having had the great pleasure to visit Canada a few years ago with my wife, I was pleased to find much of that country quite charming. It was described to me by folks there as "more European" in nature. However, Montreal is closer to a USA-type city. Toronto was not. .

Living in Toronto, I'm glad that you enjoyed your stay


One other reason I enjoyed the visit was because I am from south Louisiana, which is where many Acadians moved when they left to avoid British rule. The southern end of Quebec Province reminded us both of south Louisiana, with many signs in French and many homes in the style that we call "Acadian." It was like being at home without actually being at home.

The west part of New Brunswick is heavily Acadian. You may want to try a trip there one day. In addition, the west part of the country is really spectacular. I do a lot of travelling because of my business (yes, Access-based applications ;) ) and I really enjoy BC just because of the terrain there.

SHADOW

I liked Toronto. We stayed there for a few days, then did a driving trip up to that huge national park (I forget the name) & down to Niagara.

At the time, they had life-size plaster mooses all over town, painted in all different ways :)

Some of the people we were staying with in Toronto drove us around & pointed out some of the filming locations used in XMen... the building they used for the outside of Prof X's school (the inside was another, larger, building! :D ) and a park where they had set up the top of the Statue of Liberty...

I liked Toronto. We stayed there for a few days, then did a driving trip up to that huge national park (I forget the name)...

Algonquin, perhaps?

At the time, they had life-size plaster mooses all over town, painted in all different ways :)...

Yes, they still have some of those objets d'art (if you can call them that!)

Some of the people we were staying with in Toronto drove us around & pointed out some of the filming locations used in XMen... the building they used for the outside of Prof X's school (the inside was another, larger, building! :D ) and a park where they had set up the top of the Statue of Liberty...

I never saw the movie (I don't really watch movies) but I know that a LOT of them are filmed in Toronto.

SHADOW

In addition, the west part of the country is really spectacular. I do a lot of travelling because of my business (yes, Access-based applications ;) ) and I really enjoy BC just because of the terrain there.

SHADOW

Yeah, just completely skip over the prairies (where I live). There's honestly nothing much to see here. I'm not even joking.

Yeah, just completely skip over the prairies (where I live). There's honestly nothing much to see here. I'm not even joking.
It's flat for further than the eye can see

You got that right. So I guess it'll be easy to look past it. ;)

Yeah, just completely skip over the prairies (where I live). There's honestly nothing much to see here. I'm not even joking.

Well, someone supplies wheat to the rest of the country (and much of the world!) ;)

I'll be going to Regina in about a month. I'll see firsthand what the praries are like.

:)

SHADOW

If you're flying there, give me a wave when you fly over Winnipeg. :)

Well, someone supplies wheat to the rest of the country (and much of the world!) ;)

I'll be going to Regina in about a month. I'll see firsthand what the praries are like.

:)

SHADOW

Praries have big skies.

Praries have big skies.

I'll keep that in mind for when I get there :)

SHADOW

Well Saskatchewan's license plates do say "Land Of Living Skies."