http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6190909.stm

If only we had listened!:)

If only we had listened!:)
If Bliar had listened to the British public we wouldn't have gotten tangled up in this stupid mess!:mad:

Rich,

I have read the article with much interest, and agree that the Iraqi fiasco will overshadow Blairs Reign.

But I feel that we should not ally ourselves closer with Europe as we are too much now overun with some of their crazy laws.

It's about time this country stood up and made its presence felt by stating catagorically that

we will not be dictated to by Brussels or anybody else
we will not tolerate spongers
we will require all immigrants to demonstrate command of the English Language

All non residentially qualified persons will be deported upon conviction of a serious offence. Deportation therefore takes the place of a custodial sentence

Sure there are some others but to get these sorted we need a government with some backbone

Len

we just need to distance ourselves from the USA.

If we had a PM that made it clear we won't support the USA on a gung-ho type mission, it may make the USA think twice before blundering in and causing more terrorism.

The Spanish got it right, they pulled out of Iraq after the Madrid bombings. We should do the same and leave the yanks to it.

Col

If the UK pulled out of Iraq, would you quit whining about it?

Col

Whist I agree that Iraq was a huge blunder I do not agree that we just need to distance ourselves from the USA.

This country I feel has become the butt end that anybody and everybody can kick if they feel like it.

As I said it is about time we stopped poncing about trying to please everybody and stated clearly and precisely what we will and what we will not do.

Decision based upon What would be best for THIS country.

Make decision, stand by it.

As I said need a government with backbone

L

If the UK pulled out of Iraq, would you quit whining about it?
Blair is too scared of the USA to pull out. So your question is hypothetical.

I read in the paper that GWB is sending another 20,000 or so troops to Iraq, so that'll be another 2,000 dead soon then.

Col

Blair is too scared of the USA to pull out. Or simply understands that "pulling out" hasn't been a viable option for years. Simply pulling out now will create a larger mess than there already is.

The Spanish got it right, they pulled out of Iraq after the Madrid bombings. We should do the same and leave the yanks to it.


What like how the Brits pulled out of Northern Ireland you mean :rolleyes:

What like how the Brits pulled out of Northern Ireland you mean :rolleyes:
The situation in N.I. wasn't caused by us invading the country and removing the leader:rolleyes:

The situation in N.I. wasn't caused by us invading the country and removing the leader:rolleyes:

I didn't say it was, I was simply reminding somebody of the importance of not letting thugs dictate policy.

Ah, the comity wants to welcome the States of England, Scotland, Wales (and others I forgot) to the country of EUROPA. First thing that must be done is get rid of that Prime Minister thing. Now that you are just a state of the country of EUROPA, and that whole Iraq thing, you don't need one. Oh, and the state of France and Poland have a few suggestions also.....

I didn't say it was, I was simply reminding somebody of the importance of not letting thugs dictate policy.
But two thugs sent their armies in in the first place. What the hell reaction did they expect?:mad:

Ah, the comity wants to welcome the States of England, Scotland, Wales (and others I forgot) to the country of EUROPA. First thing that must be done is get rid of that Prime Minister thing. Now that you are just a state of the country of EUROPA, and that whole Iraq thing, you don't need one. Oh, and the state of France and Poland have a few suggestions also.....
Europe doesn't have or want a president, what's your point again?:confused:

But two thugs sent their armies in in the first place. What the hell reaction did they expect?:mad:

The same type of thuggish behavior that was occuring before they sent their armies in I expect.

The same type of thuggish behavior that was occuring before they sent their armies in I expect.
Such as? :confused:

Such as? :confused:

Pick any terrorist act in the past 50 years aimed against either Israel or the west.

Pick any terrorist act in the past 50 years aimed against either Israel or the west.
It's been proven and finally acknowledged by the Bush administration (if you can call it that)that there were no (what we now call terrorist groups) in Iraq until after we invaded the place!

It's been proven and finally acknowledged by the Bush administration (if you can call it that)that there were no (what we now call terrorist groups) in Iraq until after we invaded the place!

Because any such thuggish behavior was mercilessly surpressed by another thug. What's your point :confused:

Because any such thuggish behavior was mercilessly surpressed by another thug. What's your point :confused:
I don't understand your point, what thuggish behaviour was supressed and by which thug?:confused:

I don't understand your point, what thuggish behaviour was supressed and by which thug?:confused:

Thug: Saddam Hussein

Supressed thuggish behavior: If Saddam Hussein had not enforced a secular state do you think that there might of been a slight possibility that Islamic extremists would have operated there? Especially considering the fact that once Hussein was usurped that the country has become overrun with them.

Thug: Saddam Hussein

Supressed thuggish behavior: If Saddam Hussein had not enforced a secular state do you think that there might of been a slight possibility that Islamic extremists would have operated there? Especially considering the fact that once Hussein was usurped that the country has become overrun with them.
Ther are many thugs in charge in the middle east, why do you think removing this one was meritorious when others were left alone?

Ther are many thugs in charge in the middle east, why do you think removing this one was meroitorious when others were left alone?

I wasn't thinking any such thing :confused:

I wasn't thinking any such thing :confused:
A good, so when are the two thugs that inflicted this regime change going to face a regime change theirselves?:mad:

A good, so when are the two thugs that inflicted this regime change going to face a regime change theirselves?:mad:
2008 :rolleyes:

2008 :rolleyes:


2007 for president blair....probably right after labour get tanked in the local elections in may:D although may be sooner (please,please,please,please:D )as he is looking increasingly embattled....


saudi arms corruption affair
iraq
report indicating that blair has had naff all influence on bush
immigration
shoddy home office department
leaked internal gvt memo claiming labour gvt is a shambles


he is starting to look pretty jaded and tired on the tv at the mo.....although he does want to leave a legacy (other than iraq) so he is pretty much set on pushing the middle east peace process forward, not sure what he can do on that front in a couple of months.

.....although he does want to leave a legacy

he already has a legacy which will take years to overcome

L

what thuggish behaviour was supressed and by which thug

Saddam Hussein and his sons were thugs of the highest (well... lowest, since it is a negative superlative) order. Rapes, murders, kidnappings, torture, pedophilia, the use of gas weapons on the Kurds,... Proof exists that Saddam and his family were thugs. Newsweek magazine published several stories on this subject in the early part of the war. As anti-Bush as they sometimes can be, journalistic integrity required them to present the truth about the way the "boys" worked.


As to the terrorist thugs, they were the targets of Saddam's attention. In a sense, GWB was mistaken to take out Saddam when he did. GWB should have gone all-out to capture Osama. We know after many years of searching and retrospection that the weapons of mass destruction were not where the faulty intelligence said they were.

Now, on the other hand, given that even young girls weren't safe in Iraq given the pedophilia of the the Hussein boys, I have no problem with the fact that Saddam's immediate family is heading the way of all things. But I guess I would have preferred another way to get him out of office.

Europe doesn't have or want a president, what's your point again?:confused:
Not yet.......

Saddam Hussein and his sons were thugs of the highest (well... lowest, since it is a negative superlative) order. Rapes, murders, kidnappings, torture, pedophilia, the use of gas weapons on the Kurds,... Proof exists that Saddam and his family were thugs. Newsweek magazine published several stories on this subject in the early part of the war. As anti-Bush as they sometimes can be, journalistic integrity required them to present the truth about the way the "boys" worked.


As to the terrorist thugs, they were the targets of Saddam's attention. In a sense, GWB was mistaken to take out Saddam when he did. GWB should have gone all-out to capture Osama. We know after many years of searching and retrospection that the weapons of mass destruction were not where the faulty intelligence said they were.

Now, on the other hand, given that even young girls weren't safe in Iraq given the pedophilia of the the Hussein boys, I have no problem with the fact that Saddam's immediate family is heading the way of all things. But I guess I would have preferred another way to get him out of office.


Where's the evidence to support the "the pedophilia of the the Hussein boys" and the rape allegations, as far as the Kurds go, they've had autonomy under an "evil regime" for the past fifteen years.

In a sense, GWB was mistaken to take out Saddam when he did. GWB should have gone all-out to capture Osama.

1) Saddam got his chops busted because he switched the currency he was selling his oil from dollars to euros. You'll notice that Iraqi oil is now being sold in dollars again, practically days after the Iraqi invasion in fact (There's enough ammo to keep Rich busy for another year :D )

2) Iraq was made up of several different cultures before pre-Saddam chop busting times. All you are seeing in Iraq now are the extreme elements of these cultures flourishing in the non-poison gas powered Iraq. With a lot of help from Osama being thrown in.

3) Osama had no time for Saddam because Iraq was a secular state and the 5th (I think) largest military force in the world at the time. With Saddam removed, there is no ruthless b@ast!rd to indiscriminately wipe out any resistance. Thus you have the same thuggish behavior occuring in Iraq that has been occuring globally for years (Lockerbie, Munich, World Trade Center etc etc etc)

But two thugs sent their armies in in the first place. What the hell reaction did they expect?:mad:
I think what they expected was a country grateful for having a ruthless tyrant removed...