The things in Iraq took yet another wrong turn when Bush forced Maliki to meet him in Jordan. The meeting did not help Republicans in the elections, but broke the Iraqi coalition. The faction of Shiite cleric al-Sadr walked out of the government coalition, as promised, because of the meeting.

No one in Iraq has a slightest doubt that Maliki is an American quisling. That’s ok with the people. In Muslims countries, rulers are not expected to represent population; the US and the Qaeda each tries to change that. Muslims are very extroversive and value fac,ade and rituals. Maliki could be a puppet, but he should behave like a tiger – Iraqi tiger. At least, Maliki managed to skip social meeting with Bush and Jordanian King Abdullah (Olmert ignored Arab mentality and met Abdullah several times, a PR disaster).

If that attention to rituals looks silly to rational Americans, it probably is. But that’s how it works in the region. To reach an agreement with Iraqis – rather than simply punish the Baathist state – the US negotiators would have to sit hours and days with various Iraqis, both bureaucrats and radicals, drinking super-sweet Iranian tea, chain-smoking on par with their opponents and talking, talking, and talking. That might or might not bring the desired results, but no other approach could deliver a stable, moderate, US-friendly Iraq.

To please his American masters, Maliki brought together fictitious coalition. Its Shiite faction does not include al-Sadr’s group, the main Shiite organization. It includes only a minor Sunni party, also non-representative. The coalition is advertised as moderate, but listen to the names: Sunni Iraqi Islamic Party (sectarians), the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution (sic) in Iraq, and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (separatist organization, as the name makes clear).

The coalition is meant to squeeze Sadr out of politics. He would indeed go – into the urban battlefields. Sadr could show himself a good Muslim, promise to step down the fighting – and use the truce to train his forces. He needs time to grow the Mahdi gang into an army.

Sistani’s approval won’t cement the coalition. He is merely a religious authority. Religious power in Islam is very dispersed because every cleric and theoretically every Muslim could pronounce fatwas. People go along with famous clerics insofar as they opportunistically serve the mob’s wishes. Sistani cannot afford to condemn fighting the Sunnis, thus his blessing of the coalition could only be half-hearted. Moreover, Shiite militia includes few fundamentalists who would blindly obey Sistani. They are common guerrillas who only superficially subscribe to religion or ideology. They fight for the sake of killing. Their loyalty is with Sadr. Iran – al-Sadr’s sponsor – does not care about Iraqi Shiite bosses such as Sistani. Civil war in Iraq suits Iranian national interest: strong and hostile neighbor turns into protectorate.

Iran, not Sadr is the problem, but Sadr handsomely contributes to the situation. Oddly, the US loses its soldiers, kills Iraqis and allows still larger numbers to die in the conflict while al-Sadr, who orchestrates much of the violence, lives in safety. Why not assassinate him?

The White House PR people offended the common sense when they staged Robert Gates’ meeting with a dozen of handpicked soldiers who assured him that the army is on the right track.

That is a very interesting, and thank you for bringing it to my attention. It gives me a better understanding of the conflict, and the differences in cultures, in particularly the rituals between parties.

I am amazed at how many rituals I see in my own and others' lives. It is a human trait, to follow rituals, and it is interesting to see that both parties are following their own rituals, which only results in increasing the conflict and difficulty between them.

You should have attributed this piece to the original Author whom I believe is:

Obadiah Shoher (http://samsonblinded.org/blog/archives/259)

Cheers Tony

If that attention to rituals looks silly to rational Americans, it probably is. But that’s how it works in the region. To reach an agreement with Iraqis – rather than simply punish the Baathist state – the US negotiators would have to sit hours and days with various Iraqis, both bureaucrats and radicals, drinking super-sweet Iranian tea, chain-smoking on par with their opponents and talking, talking, and talking. That might or might not bring the desired results, but no other approach could deliver a stable, moderate, US-friendly Iraq.

The Americans have no idea of rituals or cultures in other countries they invade. Their main target is to get the [American selected] government of that country to think along American lines and be a puppet to the president. They do it the only way they know, with the bomb, invasion and killing anyone in their way.

Its absolutely disgusting how little regard the Yanks have for anyone but themselves and the Iraq fiasco proves it. Bush wants a democratic Iraq - he's on a loser, as we all can see (except Bush of course)

America is so self centred, thats why the world hates the USA

Col

The Americans have no idea of rituals or cultures in other countries they invade...

Its absolutely disgusting how little regard the Yanks have for anyone but themselves ...

America is so self centred, thats why the world hates the USA
And a happy new year to you as well, kind sir :rolleyes:

...btw, you're in no danger of winning any Mr. Congeniality awards.

And a happy new year to you as well, kind sir :rolleyes:

Its not new year yet on this side of the pond and

.btw, you're in no danger of winning any Mr. Congeniality awards.
Didn't know I'd entered anything

Col

Its not new year yet on this side of the pondMerry Christmas didn't seem to fit the occasion. C'mon, it's the holiday season, don't you ever lighten up?Didn't know I'd entered anythingOdd...from the incessant ranting, I could have sworn you were trying to prove something :rolleyes:

I could have sworn you were trying to prove something :rolleyes:
I wonder how many Iraqis had a happy Christmas and can look foward to a peaceful and prosperous New Year:rolleyes:

Merry Christmas didn't seem to fit the occasion. C'mon, it's the holiday season, don't you ever lighten up?
Of course - I'm less stressed today because Ken isn't here

Odd...from the incessant ranting, I could have sworn you were trying to prove something :rolleyes:
Its not "ranting" as you call it. Merely an opinion that the USA has but one method of dealing with local indiginous personnel and thats with the gun and not respecting different cutures and ways of doing things.

Col

I wonder how many Iraqis had a happy Christmas and can look foward to a peaceful and prosperous New Year:rolleyes:
Now they're going to hang Saddam - thats a shame, I thought they might re-instate him to bring order to the region. Thats what Iraqi's want, apparently

Col

Thats what Iraqi's want, apparently

Col
But it's not what Bush, America and the American puppet in Iraq want:rolleyes:

I wonder how many Iraqis had a happy ChristmasSince 95% of the population is Muslim, probably not many :rolleyes:


Its not "ranting" as you call it. Merely an opinion that the USA has but one method of dealing with local indiginous personnel and thats with the gun and not respecting different cutures and ways of doing things.rant
a loud bombastic declamation expressed with strong emotion
pompous or pretentious talk or writing
talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner
could've fooled me :confused:

rant
a loud bombastic declamation expressed with strong emotion
pompous or pretentious talk or writing
talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner
could've fooled me :confused:
and which one does my opinion fall into?

Col

and which one does my opinion fall into?

ColI'm tempted to go with "all of the above", but #2 fits more than 1 or 3, merely because there's no volume display for the posts. I can only imagine it:D

EDIT:
BTW, I'll also validate the question by saying it's a categorization of your posts, or the actual words you submit, not your opinion.

America is so self centred, thats why the world hates the USA

Col

You make remarks about a country that can so easily be applied to your own.

You do realise that the UK has been supportive and involved with this 'fiasco' from beginning to present-day don't you?

Hatred against your country is so great that terrorists are actually managing to convince your own born and bred citizens to attack you.

You talk of US insularity and yet you can't even see what is going on inside your own country!

You talk of US insularity and yet you can't even see what is going on inside your own country! Remember, Dan, we despise in others that which reminds us most of the things we hate about ourselves...

You make remarks about a country that can so easily be applied to your own.

You do realise that the UK has been supportive and involved with this 'fiasco' from beginning to present-day don't you?

Hatred against your country is so great that terrorists are actually managing to convince your own born and bred citizens to attack you.

You talk of US insularity and yet you can't even see what is going on inside your own country!

Hey Dan,

What I don’t understand, is why two supposedly grown men would get so much pleasure out of vomiting half truths about people they know very little about and that live at least 3500 miles away.

Why continue doing it?

It’s obviously directed at the members of this forum personally, cause who else is here? Why would you go hang out in a place where all you do is insult the other guest?

Personally, I am so happy we have other Britt’s here to balance it out.

Personally, I am so happy we have other Britt’s here to balance it out.
What's a Britt ?:confused:

You do realise that the UK has been supportive and involved with this 'fiasco' from beginning to present-day don't you?


Not so, Danny! The UK population was against this war from the start, the US was not.
We just have a twat for a leader at present. I'm sure I've told you many times before but Bliar being an idiot got so far into a corner with Bush that he had no escape plan. He thought he was going to be seen as some great elder statesman, and still does.:rolleyes:

Remember, Dan, we despise in others that which reminds us most of the things we hate about ourselves...

Yep (http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/multi_media/news_of_the_world_uk_beating_iraq_youth.php), wonder how many new terrorist recruits get shown this video. :rolleyes:

We just have a twat for a leader at present.

Oh that's alright then. We'd hate for the British public to take any responsibility for it's leaders' diplomacies. :rolleyes:

Oh that's alright then. We'd hate for the British public to take any responsibility for it's leaders' diplomacies. :rolleyes:
No you're dodging the truth here Danniella, the British public did not support Bliar, the American public supported Bush:rolleyes:

Yep (http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/multi_media/news_of_the_world_uk_beating_iraq_youth.php), wonder how many new terrorist recruits get shown this video. :rolleyes:
Old news, in any case we didn't murder innocent civillians:rolleyes:
Who recruited the Oklahoma bombers by the way?:rolleyes:

the American public supported Bush:rolleyes:

Not anymore old news :rolleyes:

Who recruited the Oklahoma bombers by the way?:rolleyes:

Old news :rolleyes:

Not anymore old news :rolleyes:
Yes I'm sure I've mentioned it before but it's certainly true that Americans wake up eventually, trouble is this time it's too late:rolleyes:

Yes I'm sure I've mentioned it before but it's certainly true that Americans wake up eventually, trouble is this time it's too late:rolleyes:

Unlike the British public who swiftly rectified their mistake of electing Blair into office. :rolleyes:

Unlike the British public who swiftly rectified their mistake of electing Blair into office. :rolleyes:
No,no,no, don't you lot read anything, Bliar is just the leader of party that got re-elected, and then it was by a minority vote.
I know it's difficult for Americans but if you were to pay attention now and then you could actually learn:cool:

No,no,no, don't you lot read anything, Bliar is just the leader of party that got re-elected, and then it was by a minority vote.
I know it's difficult for Americans but if you were to pay attention now and then you could actually learn:cool:

Learn what? How to become a non-democratic state?

Learn what? How to become a non-democratic state?
You don't live in a democracy anyway

What I don’t understand, is why two supposedly grown men would get so much pleasure out of vomiting half truths about people they know very little about and that live at least 3500 miles away.

Why continue doing it?
why do you keep saying we speak "half-truths"? If you don't believe something, it doesn't mean its not true. Rich and I only comment on what is patently obvious to all - except the USA, which is why we try to keep you informed of things.

It’s obviously directed at the members of this forum personally, cause who else is here? Unlike the US members here - especially those from Georgia, we don't direct comments to individuals unless we're in conversation with them.
Our comments are educational and are designed to help you understand what a prat you have as a prez and what a hated country you live in. Something you all seem to deny for some reason - why was it your government told US tourists to say they were Canadian when "overseas"?

Col

Oh that's alright then. We'd hate for the British public to take any responsibility for it's leaders' diplomacies. :rolleyes:
You know full well that the USA was spoiling for a fight with Iraq and the US people loved it, they couldn't get enough of the "lets nuke the bastards" image. They [the USA]were all dead keen to lord it over the world and show what a glorious country the USA is in keeping world peace.

Now its all gone tits-up, the US people are thinking maybe it was wrong to invade:rolleyes:

I hope you've got shares in body bag makers, or purple heart tin medal makers
they must be coining it in.

Col

Guys,

There are many things wrong with both our countries, and a great deal of things that are right.

I personally would rather be allied to our American cousins rather than the European idiots of Brussels.

I feel that any leader that the UK has that takes us deeper in Europe is a Twat, we should break away from the european ideals as they are farcical. We should close our border to all these so called needy asylum seekers from eastern europe! Where I leave we have a seaside town called Southend nearby, Colin will probably relate to this as well, this seaside town is like an extension of Eastern Europe and is overrun with Albanians and Kosovons, and very soon Romanians and Bulgarians will be joining them.

I say get rid of Europe. I personnaly would rather be the 53rd state of America than be partt of Europe!!

I personnaly would rather be the 53rd state of America than be partt of Europe!!
and end up with a leader like Bush? No thanks!:mad:

Rich,

I say it is the lesser of two evils.

What would you rather have a leader like Bush and an affiliation with the US, or our ideals, laws and rights dictated to us by Brussels?

Rich,

I say it is the lesser of two evils.

What would you rather have a leader like Bush and an affiliation with the US, or our ideals, laws and rights dictated to us by Brussels?
I think you'll find that we are a part of the decision making process and unlike the disjointed States of America, Europe is working towards making laws that apply equally to all member states. One could argue that Bliar and his cronies are a bigger bunch of dictators anyway

Europe is working towards making laws that apply equally to all member states.

This would include the farcical Human Rights bill.

This bill that is prolifically used by criminals against our justice system and againt their victims. Fantastic.

Econonies that have adopted the Euro are worse off for it. Poor Eastern block countries are seeing a chance to make their economies LESS worse off by joining it! And then there nationals come here and sponge off of our benefits and commit crimes, and then spu Human Rights.

No I would rather be with the Americans than with the Europeans.

I love my country, but feel that we are overtaxed and influenced too much by Europe.

Where I leave we have a seaside town called Southend nearby, Colin will probably relate to this as well, this seaside town is like an extension of Eastern Europe and is overrun with Albanians and Kosovons, and very soon Romanians and Bulgarians will be joining them.

I say get rid of Europe. I personnaly would rather be the 53rd state of America than be partt of Europe!!
How about all the Brits ruining the east coast of Spain? The Spanish hate it. The British occupy most of the coast of Spain from Taragona right down to Benidorm, its horrible there.

What gives us the right to complain about the eastern Europeans coming here trying to better themselves? at least they work (usually illegally), unlike the Brits in Spain who have created an England clone instead of embracing the Spanish cultures.

Col

How about all the Brits ruining the east coast of Spain? The Spanish hate it. The British occupy most of the coast of Spain from Taragona right down to Benidorm, its horrible there.
Col


I have been to Benidorm and hated it, it is like a concrete jungle, full of apartments built by Spanish constuction companies to entice foreigners to the place to bolster the flagging Spanish economy caused by adoption of the Euro!

Most people leave the UK simply because the UK taxes them to the hilt, taxes to pay for the influx of illegals that the farcical European law says that are entitled to come here, many of them do not work when they arrive here, many of them just come here to fleece us and steal from us.

Just the other day in Basildon a man was killed in his car by a euro illegal driving up the carriageway the wrong way!

This is becoming a common occurance in this country.

If people want to come here and I have no objection to them coming, then they need to contribute to our economy, not just take from it.

The Spanish built Benedorm / Torremelinos like that to entice tourists long before the Euro was even thought of.

I am referring to the English invasion by permanent residents on the east coast and then having the nerve to moan about it and change it to suit British tastes. Its disgusting.

I fail to see how we can critisise Eastern Europeans for doing something we do ourselves. Thats what Americans do with their holier-than-thou attitude. . . . . . . .

Col

The Spanish built Benedorm / Torremelinos like that to entice tourists long before the Euro was even thought of.

I am referring to the English invasion by permanent residents on the east coast and then having the nerve to moan about it and change it to suit British tastes. Its disgusting.

I fail to see how we can critisise Eastern Europeans for doing something we do ourselves. Thats what Americans do with their holier-than-thou attitude. . . . . . . .

Col

I bet you watched Channel 4's Alternative Christmas Speech on Xmas day didn't you :rolleyes:

I have been to Benidorm and hated it, it is like a concrete jungle, full of apartments built by Spanish constuction companies to entice foreigners to the place to bolster the flagging Spanish economy caused by adoption of the Euro!

Most people leave the UK simply because the UK taxes them to the hilt, taxes to pay for the influx of illegals that the farcical European law says that are entitled to come here, many of them do not work when they arrive here, many of them just come here to fleece us and steal from us.

Just the other day in Basildon a man was killed in his car by a euro illegal driving up the carriageway the wrong way!

This is becoming a common occurance in this country.

If people want to come here and I have no objection to them coming, then they need to contribute to our economy, not just take from it.

I have to say that most of this is media hype, sadly people are killed on our roads everyday, most are killed by other Brits, not foreigners. As for them coming here to scrounge, the vast majority of them come here to work. As in the case of West Indians during the sixties, they take the jobs that the elite Brits don't want.

I have to say that most of this is media hype, sadly people are killed on our roads everyday, most are killed by other Brits, not foreigners. As for them coming here to scrounge, the vast majority of them come here to work. As in the case of West Indians during the sixties, they take the jobs that the elite Brits don't want.

I have personally been invovled in an RTA with an illegal Lithiuanian, so it is not all media hype.

Also for every 1 euro worker here there are probably 5 more that are'nt working, and are either sponging or commiting crimes, and then pleading for Human Rights.

I have personally been invovled in an RTA with an illegal Lithiuanian, so it is not all media hype.
.

I've been involved in many accidents over the years, all of them caused by Brits., I'm having a hard time understanding the fact that you seem to be blaming all of the country's problems on "Euros". Do you have any figures for Brits who drive abroad and cause accidents, because I've seen them waiting in the casualty department here.
As for illegals claiming benefits, they can't, they get an allowance and our government refuses to let them work until they're processed.

As for illegals claiming benefits, they can't, they get an allowance and our government refuses to let them work until they're processed.


Benefit / Allowance, I think we are splitting hairs here. We still have to pay for it through our taxes.

And what about the many who don't declare themselves and are part of organised crime!

No I do not blame Europeans for the issues in our country, but they are contributing to these issues.

It is the liaisen with Brussels that is causing some of these issues, and the deeper we get into Europe the worse these will get.

I am not European, I am British, and I do not want to be European. I am quite happy to go there on holiday and spend my hard earned, but I do not want to live there.

I bet you watched Channel 4's Alternative Christmas Speech on Xmas day didn't you :rolleyes:
No, never heard of it. Also, I'm sorry to say I missed The Queen (God Bless Her) too.

My comments are based on my travels in Spain on the bike. I've seen the "Queen Vic" or "Rovers Return" in Torreviaja and Denia.
I've heard the Brits shouting at Spanish people (in English) - "because the diego's don't understand English".

I [verbally] attacked a Brit for shouting at a young female Spanish waitress because she didn't speak English, he reduced her to tears. He was pinned to a wall and told a few home truths. That earned me free beer for the night! Gabriella and I are just good friends:o

Col

I am not European, I am British, and I do not want to be European. I am quite happy to go there on holiday and spend my hard earned, but I do not want to live there.
Then the only option you've got is to move to somwhere like say the US. Because whether you like it or not, you are European like the rest of us.

Then the only option you've got is to move to somwhere like say the US. Because whether you like it or not, you are European like the rest of us.
and God help you if you do - they hate foreigners more than you hate Europeans

Col

Then the only option you've got is to move to somwhere like say the US. Because whether you like it or not, you are European like the rest of us.


mmmmm... Sounds a little like Hitler Youth to me.

Perhaps we are forgetting history, it was the americans that helped us win that little German uprising escapade that started in 1939.

Otherwise we would all be Nazi's!

We live on an island, surrounded by water, the only link to Europe we have is from a tunnel under the Channel.

I am British, and I want to sepn the British pound not the ponsey Euro!

and God help you if you do - they hate foreigners more than you hate Europeansnot all foreigners, just lippy Brits :D

.

Perhaps we are forgetting history, it was the americans that helped us win that little German uprising escapade that started in 1939.

Otherwise we would all be Nazi's!

Christ! the Yanks'll love you. Oh and while you're reminiscing with them ask them where they were during Dunkirk, The Battle of Britain, El-Alemain, The Battle of The Atlantic, etc. etc.

mmmmm... Sounds a little like Hitler Youth to me.

Perhaps we are forgetting history, it was the americans that helped us win that little German uprising escapade that started in 1939.

Otherwise we would all be Nazi's!
Christ almighty Scott - you are American:eek: Please remember alot of our language is from the German / French etc etc.

Plus, I think we should have the Euro, it'll save alot of farting about changing money everytime you want to pop over the channel. Also, many big business deals are done in Euro's and have been for years

not all foreigners, just lippy Brits
and Mexicans, Cubans, Russians, Iraqi's, Irani's, Muslims, anyone non-white, Chinese, Japanese (never forget Pearl Harbour eh?), anyone non-christian. . . . . . . shall I go on?

Col

Christ! the Yanks'll love you. Oh and while you're reminiscing with them ask them where they were during Dunkirk, The Battle of Britain, El-Alemain, The Battle of The Atlantic, etc. etc.Geez, Rich! You whine when we help, you whine when we don't...you remind me of my wife with PMS :rolleyes:

Rich, Colin,


So much hate!!!

I think you are really Ameriacns in disguise!

Rich, Colin,


So much hate!!!


remind me who hates Eastern Europeans, and Europeans generally, and the Euro, foreign drivers? etc etc

Col

I think you are really Ameriacns in disguise!
we can't be American, we're not two faced and hypocritical.;)

Col

remind me who hates Eastern Europeans, and Europeans generally, and the Euro, foreign drivers? etc etc

Col


I think I rattled a few cages.

I will consider the toys sufficiently discarded violently from the cot :)

QUOTE=ColinEssex

Mexicans - Just got back from Mexico, had fun, made friends, enjoyed the local culture.
Cubans - don't know any, but they make good cigars
Russians - don't know any of those either, but I enjoy the Vodka
Iraqi's - don't know any of those either, sorry.
Irani's - nope...
Muslims - work with several, have several as friends, sorry, you're wrong yet again
anyone non-white - careful, last I checked you have no clue as to my chromatic persuasion
Chinese - have friends of Chinese ancestry and I love the food
Japanese - have spent time studying the culture, drive a Toyota, and love the Sushi...
anyone non-christian - I do not hate myself, wrong again, genius.

. . . shall I go on? - do you really want to?:rolleyes:

I will consider the toys sufficiently discarded violently from the cot :)
Yes, you've thrown them in all directions, now maybe you can discuss sensibily

Col

Yes, you've thrown them in all directions, now maybe you can discuss sensibily

Col


Touche Touche :D

Bod, don't come the old "alot of my friends are black / chinese / Japanese" patronising stuff.

We all know that most Yanks hate foreigners, thats why you lock them up and torture them for no reason other than being different from the "average" yank.

Plus if you want to avoid potentially upsetting remarks, I suggest you post a pic of yourself - as we all have (including Rich) or are you going to hide behind anonimity? Because anything thats not brilliant white in the USA is a target for the US cops.

Col

Because anything thats not brilliant white in the USA is a target for the US cops.

Col

Racism exists everywhere and in many forms.

As you have gathered I am anti European, Racist against euros, you are clearly anti american, racist against yanks.

It exists and we live with it, I can express these views simply because I can without fear of persecution.

Bod, don't come the old "alot of my friends are black / chinese / Japanese" patronising stuff.I did't say "a lot of", I answered accusations with facts. I have not begun patronizing you yet:cool: We all know that most Yanks hate foreignersKudos for finally saying "most" and not implying all, thank you. I don't have a problem with foreigners...I do have a problem with illegals and with immigrants who come to my homeland to enjoy all of the benefits but refuse to assimilate and instead create more problems by demanding to keep their diversity. You cannot be a united culture if segments of that culture refuse to be part of it...you know, that whole "melting pot" thing. Plus if you want to avoid potentially upsetting remarks, I suggest you post a pic of yourself - as we all have (including Rich) or are you going to hide behind anonimity? I'm pointing out flaws in your assumptions...who's upset? I've not seen a pic of either you or Rich, nice bike though. If it's that important for you to see the face of one of your favorite targets, I'll see what I can do Because anything thats not brilliant white in the USA is a target for the US cops.There's a huge difference between "racism" and "criminal profiling". If you don't want to be treated like a punk or a thug, don't dress/act like one. That's not to say that racism doesn't still exist, but it's being used as an excuse by people who simply do not consider the repercussions of their actions and choices, which increases the perceived level.

we can't be American, we're not two faced and hypocritical.;)

Col

Well there you go Col, nice one. You've finally done it. You've just insulted every American on this forum.... personally. Regardless of their gender, culture or creed.

You think I'm two-faced do you? Fine, if so, I think you're a bigot. I've tried and tried to have a decent discussion with you but you just insist on hating people...personally. For no other reason than the country they were born in.

What makes you think people should have to keep biting their tongue when you come along and insult them ... personally? It's an effort to do so and that is why fewer and fewer are bothering to converse with you.

Plus if you want to avoid potentially upsetting remarks, I suggest you post a pic of yourself

What the hell does this mean?!? Post a pic of yourself or else be insulted?!?

Since when did the rule come in that you're a better person if you've uploaded your mug-shot? Get a grip :rolleyes:

If you don't want to be treated like a punk or a thug, don't dress/act like one.
And the nature of how someone dresses decides how they are treated in the USA? Just what exactly is acceptable or non-acceptable? Is there a US government censorship on how to dress?

Well there you go Col, nice one. Thanks, I thought that would get a few hearts beating;) Anyway, my description does fit certain US posters here, thats a fact.

You think I'm two-faced do you? Interestingly, you offer no defence at being hypocritical - so I'm half right then.

What makes you think people should have to keep biting their tongue when you come along and insult them ... personally? It's an effort to do so and that is why fewer and fewer are bothering to converse with you.is that why Jennifer keeps threatening to leave but never does?

What the hell does this mean?!? Post a pic of yourself or else be insulted?!?
Judging by the racial tensions in the US, its not a bad idea

I've not seen a pic of either you or Rich

Both Rich and I have posted several over the years. Whats-his-name from Georgia posted one of mine on the destroy the previous pic thread.

you are clearly anti american, racist against yanks.
Not at all, in fact I was praising them only a couple of weeks ago. I have alot of respect for the US in sending help in natural disasters. Plus, I think the Fender Stratocaster is one of the best guitars ever made.

Col

Well there you go Col, nice one. You've finally done it. You've just insulted every American on this forum.... personally. Regardless of their gender, culture or creed.

You think I'm two-faced do you? Fine, if so, I think you're a bigot. I've tried and tried to have a decent discussion with you but you just insist on hating people...personally. For no other reason than the country they were born in.

What makes you think people should have to keep biting their tongue when you come along and insult them ... personally? It's an effort to do so and that is why fewer and fewer are bothering to converse with you.



Dan,
In my earlier post I was referring to Col and Rich.

You notice that I’m, more or less, done with them as well.

I know some people that have less intelligence than others, I don’t find fault in them, it’s the ones that are able to think, and refuse, that are irksome.

Col and mostly Rich are on some kind of game, at least that’s what you have to hope. Otherwise it must be a case of blaming others for their misfortunes; I wouldn’t have thought that was a common trait among Brits.

British stoicism and all.

And the nature of how someone dresses decides how they are treated in the USA? Everywhere... whether you want to admit it or not. The point being that if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck, what would make you think it wasn't a duck? For instance, if someone continually bashes my home, my heritage, and my way of life, what possible reason would I have to consider them my friend?

I must admit guys, although there is clearly a level of tension on this forum, it is bloody good entertainment.

You notice that I’m, more or less, done with them as well.
yet you still bite:D
I know some people that have less intelligence than others, I don’t find fault in them, it’s the ones that are able to think, and refuse, that are irksome. refuse what? you lost me there Jen

Col and mostly Rich are on some kind of game, at least that’s what you have to hope.
more a quest really. We're trying to help you understand that you're brainwashing by your government is not the actual facts. I referred to a survey last week, it was National Geographical who did it, and it shows that Americans basically have no idea about things outside their borders.

Its odd that you blindly believe what your government says, yet you argue the toss with me and Rich when we tell you the facts.:confused: It's a cross we bear to try to help you all;)

Col

Col and mostly Rich are on some kind of game, at least that’s what you have to hope.

I agree. Probably in private messages they are laughing their asses off.

I hang out here because I like a chat and the occasional heated argument with a hand-shake afterwards. Not to be spoken to like a moron.

And the nature of how someone dresses decides how they are treated


Col

I would have to agree with Col on this one, you should never judge a book by it's cover.

The same analogy can be placed on females who go out wearing little clothing, just because they may look easy doesn't mean that they are and they should be given respect that they deserve not leers from dirty men.

Everywhere... whether you want to admit it or not. The point being that if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck, what would make you think it wasn't a duck? For instance, if someone continually bashes my home, my heritage, and my way of life, what possible reason would I have to consider them my friend?

Ducks?:confused: I was merely asking what you consider acceptable dress code or not. You mentioned unacceptable dress - we need to know in case we visit the USA

I must admit guys, although there is clearly a level of tension on this forum, it is bloody good entertainment.
Yes, the Yanks have been like this ever since they got their 2 towers knocked over, that was in 2001

Col

Yes, the Yanks have been like this ever since they got their 2 towers knocked over, that was in 2001


The Brits on the other hand have been like this since they got kicked out of the colonies :cool:

I agree. Probably in private messages they are laughing their asses off.

I hang out here because I like a chat and the occasional heated argument with a hand-shake afterwards. Not to be spoken to like a moron.
Rich and I haven't communicated in any form for months (just for the record) - in fact I get more chatty PM's from Americans than UK posters. Also, there is one (American) I chat to on the phone on regular occasions (I am not going to reveal their name for their privacy reasons)

Col

You mentioned unacceptable dress - we need to know in case we visit the USA


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Ducks?:confused: I was merely asking what you consider acceptable dress code or not. You mentioned unacceptable dress - we need to know in case we visit the USA Who used the term "acceptable"? You are perceived, and judged, by the first impression that you give... if the first impression is bad enough, you'll never get a second chance. That's not judging a book by it's cover, it's life.

The same analogy can be placed on females who go out wearing little clothing, just because they may look easy doesn't mean that they are and they should be given respect that they deserve not leers from dirty men....riiiiiight. Female to Clerk: "I want something that will make me fade into the crowd and never attract any attention...have anything in burlap?" :rolleyes:

Also, there is one (American) I chat to on the phone on regular occasions (I am not going to reveal their name for their privacy reasons)


Do they know that you think them hypocritical and two-faced?

Bod - you said if you don't want to be treated like a thug don't dress like one.

What is non-acceptable "thug" attire? a leather jacket? pink socks?:confused:

Col

What is non-acceptable "thug" attire? a leather jacket? pink socks?:confused: Allow me to be a bit more clear this time...I did not use the term "acceptable".

I don't know of anyone who would perceive the wearing of pink socks to be thuggish, I can therefore say with a relatively high degree of certainty, that the wearing of pink socks would not create that perception. But then you already know what I'm trying to tell you, don't you?

Rich and I haven't communicated in any form for months (just for the record)

Now I know the reason for Rich's festive cheer. ;)


- in fact I get more chatty PM's from Americans than UK posters.

Makes you wonder whether they're just being two-faced doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Do they know that you think them hypocritical and two-faced?
I will enquire - but by your own non-defence, you must be hypocritical.

and that picture. . . . . . . its the girly American game based on rugby isn't it? so that costume is deemed by Americans as being a thug?
I would have thought a US soldiers uniform was more in keeping as that was what the thugs wore when they tortured Iraqi's

Col

I would have thought a US soldiers uniform was more in keeping as that was what the thugs wore when they tortured Iraqi's

Col

Don't forget British soldiers did the same.

Allow me to be a bit more clear this time...I did not use the term "acceptable".
I used that term in the question - what is acceptable non-thug attire? I'm still having a problem with what you imagine a thug to wear - obviously a question you're evading.

Incidentally, thugs in the UK in the 1950's wore leather jackets and pink socks.

Makes you wonder whether they're just being two-faced doesn't it?
they probobly are - who knows?

Col

But then you already know what I'm trying to tell you, don't you?
I have no idea, you keep avoiding the question, like Americans do

Col

I will enquire - but by your own non-defence, you must be hypocritical.

Most men fail to live up to their own preachings. Including myself.

But I'm glad you admit that you were actually attacking me personally, for what reason I do not know. Perhaps you would like to explain?

Don't forget British soldiers did the same.

I did post that link earlier on but was told it was old news. ;)

they probobly are - who knows?

Col

You do apparently. You're the one throwing the character attacks around. :rolleyes:

I will enquire - but by your own non-defence, you must be hypocritical.

and that picture. . . . . . . its the girly American game based on rugby isn't it? so that costume is deemed by Americans as being a thug?
I would have thought a US soldiers uniform was more in keeping as that was what the thugs wore when they tortured Iraqi's

Col

Affiliation clothing would be a good place to start your discovery.

Most men fail to live up to their own preachings. Including myself.

But I'm glad you admit that you were actually attacking me personally, for what reason I do not know. Perhaps you would like to explain?
You said I was attacking all Americans on the forum. You said you wern't two faced. You didn't say you wern't hypocritical - therefore you must be if you're not. Its quite simple, please try to keep up Daniel.:rolleyes:

Anyway, you'll be pleased to hear I'm off home now and not in tomorrow.

Therefore I shall wish you and all on the forum a happy new year, I hope its a good year.;)

Take care - ride safely:)

Col

You said I was attacking all Americans on the forum. You said you wern't two faced. You didn't say you wern't hypocritical - therefore you must be if you're not. Its quite simple, please try to keep up Daniel.:rolleyes:

You didn't read my post properly did you. :D

I used that term in the question - what is acceptable non-thug attire? I'm still having a problem with what you imagine a thug to wear - obviously a question you're evading.not evading, flat out avoiding.

Incidentally, thugs in the UK in the 1950's wore leather jackets and pink socks. :confused: Doesn't sound very scary or thuggish to me...more like "the Blue Oyster".

Therefore I shall wish you and all on the forum a happy new year, I hope its a good year


Col

Happy New Year to you as well. Have a good one.

As you have gathered I am anti European, Racist against euros, you are clearly anti american, racist against yanks.


But I've already told you, whether you like it or not you are European, now if you want to keep fighting in Americans wars for them, then you should move there. There's sure to be another one along shortly

Geez, Rich! You whine when we help, you whine when we don't...you remind me of my wife with PMS :rolleyes:
I'm trying to think of when you helped?:confused:

I'm trying to think of when you helped?:confused:
she says that, too...

she says that, too...
I can understand why

I can understand whyBut she'll return to normal in about a week...

Dan,
In my earlier post I was referring to Col and Rich.

You notice that I’m, more or less, done with them as well.

Yeaah, it's not as if Americans are known for staying the course, is it:rolleyes:

But she'll return to normal in about a week...
What is "normal" for Americans?:confused:

What is "normal" for Americans?:confused:
...what you're not, Rich.

...what you're not, Rich.
Thank christ for that!:cool: :p

Thank christ for that!:cool: :pI thought you were an Athiest? You'll need to get someone else to pass that along for you, I think. :D

I thought you were an Athiest? You'll need to get someone else to pass that along for you, I think. :D
I've never said that Jesus never existed, I just don't swallow the fairy story that he's a son of some god or other

I've never said that Jesus never existed, I just don't swallow the fairy story that he's a son of some god or other
...so then you must subscribe to not only the belief that there is some form of existence beyond death of the physical body, but also the ability of the physical plane to interact with the metaphysical?

I've never said that Jesus never existed, I just don't swallow the fairy story that he's a son of some god or other

But you just referred to him as "Christ" :confused:

There's sure to be another one along shortly

Just like an argumentative Brit :eek: :p

Just like an argumentative Brit :eek: :p
You've misspelt erudite:cool: :p

...so then you must subscribe to not only the belief that there is some form of existence beyond death of the physical body, but also the ability of the physical plane to interact with the metaphysical?
Nop e

But you just referred to him as "Christ" :confused:
No I didn't

No I didn't

Why are you blathering on about Jesus then :confused:

Why are you blathering on about Jesus then :confused:
I answered a question that was put to me, do you have some problem with the answer?:confused:

not evading, flat out avoiding.

So you don't know what a thug in the USA wears then. (apart from a police uniform)

Col

So you don't know what a thug in the USA wears then. (apart from a police uniform)I know what gives me the impression of a thug... 90% of the people in the HipHop scene. And not just because their musical tastes are uninspired, rediculous, monotonous, self-righteous, rubbish :eek:. Because it's also the popular dress/speech/conduct with the majority of those who commit the higher profile crimes. Because of the numbers, you consider them with more apprehension. It's not racial profiling, it's life. While I understand that entire subculture cannot be criminal, in order for me to care about their "perceived badness", they would need to start vilifying that criminal segment instead of "singing" it's praises.

I also tend to be leary of Italians wearing leather, open shirts, and multiple gold chains, but that's because I watch too many movies:p

Happy new year to all.

I trust it was a good one all round?

Happy new year to all.

I trust it was a good one all round?

Happy new year to you as well Scott - Slept through it all - ;) :D

Happy new year to you as well Scott - Slept through it all - ;) :D


Tell me about it :)

I see Saddam was hanged...

Oh dear lets see Iraq kick off now!

There is now not going to be any peacful solution to this issue, not that there ever was going to be, but hell now it is going to be ten times worse!

I see Saddam was hanged...

Oh dear lets see Iraq kick off now!

There is now not going to be any peacful solution to this issue, not that there ever was going to be, but hell now it is going to be ten times worse!

I'm still at a loss as to how killing someone is supposed to send the message that we're not supposed to kill each other :confused: :o

I'm still at a loss as to how killing someone is supposed to send the message that we're not supposed to kill each other :confused: :o

What in your opnioin should be done in Iraq now?

What in your opnioin should be done in Iraq now?

I think the US should admit it's mistake and ask for international support.

I think the US should admit it's mistake and ask for international support.


Who would come to their aid? The UN!

Everybody has given this conflict a wide berth.

What about asking for aid from another Islamic country, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia?

Who would come to their aid? The UN!

Everybody has given this conflict a wide berth.

What about asking for aid from another Islamic country, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia?

Yeah, I think there would be a lot of political hurdles in trying to engage the UN. And I'm not sure if bringing in troops from a historically 'unfriendly' neighboring country would be an ideal suggestion. I think the two reasons to turn the entire operation over to an international coalition would be to help shoulder the cost and to show the resistance the international resolve to bring some degree of stability to the area…

Yeah, I think there would be a lot of political hurdles in trying to engage the UN. And I'm not sure if bringing in troops from a historically 'unfriendly' neighboring country would be an ideal suggestion. I think the two reasons to turn the entire operation over to an international coalition would be to help shoulder the cost and to show the resistance the international resolve to bring some degree of stability to the area…

Should we be looking to the lessons learned in Afganistan as a way forward, or is Afganistan in just as much turmoil but not in the news?

Should we be looking to the lessons learned in Afganistan as a way forward, or is Afganistan in just as much turmoil but not in the news?

Afghanistan hasn't been in the news lately around here - Not that anyone should put much stock in the over-sensationalizing news media (imho)- :rolleyes:

Anyway, I am sure that Rich and Col will have enough views on this subject for everybody!

Anyway, I am sure that Rich and Col will have enough views on this subject for everybody!

Yeah... Can't wait. :rolleyes:

Did your boys have a good Christmas (You do have two don't you?)

Did your boys have a good Christmas (You do have two don't you?)


Yes Ken, my boys got spoiled rotton, but that is what kids are for.
They are both still very young, 4 & 3, so they are still very much into the Santa Claus thing, which is really cute.

My mother bought them some miniature electric guitars, I am still in the process of thanking her for it:rolleyes:

How did your family enjoy the festivities?

I see Saddam was hanged...

I wonder why those who were quite happy for the chemical weapons they supplied to him when he was using them against the evil Iranians weren't put on trial with him?
Sheer bloody hypocrisy!:mad:

Yes Ken, my boys got spoiled rotton, but that is what kids are for.
They are both still very young, 4 & 3, so they are still very much into the Santa Claus thing, which is really cute.

My mother bought them some miniature electric guitars, I am still in the process of thanking her for it:rolleyes:

How did your family enjoy the festivities?

I guess you should be thankful she didn't buy them drums - :p

We (cupcake and I), took some time off at work and I worked on the honey-do list while she made sure the holiday shopping was done :rolleyes:

Afghanistan hasn't been in the news lately around here - Not that anyone should put much stock in the over-sensationalizing news media (imho)- :rolleyes:
Afghanistan is just a bloody mess like Iraq. Just when will the Americans stop stomping around the world as if they own the place?:mad:

Yeah, I think there would be a lot of political hurdles in trying to engage the UN. And I'm not sure if bringing in troops from a historically 'unfriendly' neighboring country would be an ideal suggestion. I think the two reasons to turn the entire operation over to an international coalition would be to help shoulder the cost and to show the resistance the international resolve to bring some degree of stability to the area…
Why the hell should the rest of the World have to sort out Bush and Bliar's egotistical #%@k up!?:mad:

Afghanistan is just a bloody mess like Iraq. Just when will the Americans stop stomping around the world as if they own the place?:mad:

You seem a little more hyper than usual this fine Tuesday Rich - Did you get to spend anytime with grand kids over the holidays?

You seem a little more hyper than usual this fine Tuesday Rich - Did you get to spend anytime with grand kids over the holidays?
Yes, thank you, however they're back to school now so the gloves are back off:cool:

Just when will the Americans stop stomping around the world as if they own the place?:mad:
They won't, sadly.

Alot of the American people love lording it over everyone because they think they are soooooo much better than anyone else - (especially hypocritical American "christians") - to that end, they vote in dumbo presidents who are more than happy to kill as many people as they can as that bolsters the American ego trip.

The Yanks get told everything is hunky-dorey so they have no idea why people are a bit off with them.

Saddam was hanged for authorising the death of 154 people because of a failed uprising. How many people has GWB authorised the death of? - at least 3,000 US soldiers for a start!!

Col

Saddam was hanged for authorising the death of 154 people because of a failed uprising. How many people has GWB authorised the death of? - at least 3,000 US soldiers for a start!!

Col
Well the Yanks regularly authorise the death of their own, I wonder why Bush hasn't stood trial for the death warrants he's upheld when he was gov. of Texas?:rolleyes:

Well the Yanks regularly authorise the death of their own, I wonder why Bush hasn't stood trial for the death warrants he's upheld when he was gov. of Texas?:rolleyes:
Because they're American so it's not seen as the same thing.

Its ok for them to drop a nuclear bomb, but not ok for Korea or Iran to have on in case they are naughty with it.

Col

Yes, thank you, however they're back to school now so the gloves are back off:cool:

I didn't expect to be sporting a black eye this early in the year :eek: :D

I didn't expect to be sporting a black eye this early in the year :eek: :D
Better get used to it then

Col

They won't, sadly.

Alot of the American people love lording it over everyone because they think they are soooooo much better than anyone else - (especially hypocritical American "christians") - to that end, they vote in dumbo presidents who are more than happy to kill as many people as they can as that bolsters the American ego trip.

The Yanks get told everything is hunky-dorey so they have no idea why people are a bit off with them.

Saddam was hanged for authorising the death of 154 people because of a failed uprising. How many people has GWB authorised the death of? - at least 3,000 US soldiers for a start!!

Col

You two are on a roll today... :) :)

Afghanistan hasn't been in the news lately around here
Not got a TV then? or is it censored? or is Georgia too far in the bible belt to believe it

US (and British) troops are being killed there regularly, all thanks to the USA arming the Taliban to the teeth when they were fighting the Russians (remember?) or didn't your sanitised news cover that.

Col

Not got a TV then? or is it censored? or is Georgia too far in the bible belt to believe it

US (and British) troops are being killed there regularly, all thanks to the USA arming the Taliban to the teeth when they were fighting the Russians (remember?) or didn't your sanitised news cover that.

Col

Perhaps you should turn your TV off before your BP pegs out - :D

Perhaps you should turn your TV off before your BP pegs out - :D
Eh? don't get it:confused:

British Petroleum?:confused:

As usual, totally vague in your reply:rolleyes:

Col

Eh? don't get it:confused:

British Petroleum?:confused:

As usual, totally vague in your reply:rolleyes:

Col

'Blood Pressure' - ;)

'Blood Pressure' - ;)
Oh right. In the UK, BP is almost always referring to the petrol company.

I still don't get it though. My "BP" is 120/80, which I'm led to believe is normal.:confused:

Col

Oh right. In the UK, BP is almost always referring to the petrol company.

I still don't get it though. My "BP" is 120/80, which I'm led to believe is normal.:confused:

Col

Well if I have to explain it to that degree the pun kind of loses it's edge...:) :)

Never mind - :)

I didn't expect to be sporting a black eye this early in the year :eek: :D
The season to be jolly is over, mind you it was over for many around the world a long time ago

Well if I have to explain it to that degree the pun kind of loses it's edge...:) :)

Never mind - :)
whatever. It was probobly derogatory anyway, thats your style these days since you became a mod.

I still find it odd that your troops in Afghanistan are being killed daily yet it doesn't even make the news there these days.
Just shows how little regard for human life the USA has - I guess its boring for you.

Col

The season to be jolly is over, mind you it was over for many around the world a long time ago

Don't be so down Rich, it'll be happy hour in the UK in a couple hours and you can be jolly again :p

whatever. It was probobly derogatory anyway, thats your style these days since you became a mod.

I still find it odd that your troops in Afghanistan are being killed daily yet it doesn't even make the news there these days.
Just shows how little regard for human life the USA has - I guess its boring for you.

Col

Tell you what, since this mod thing is real bur under your saddle, I'll ask SJ to have Jon take me off the volunteer mod list...:) :)

Don't be so down Rich, it'll be happy hour in the UK in a couple hours and you can be jolly again :p
Too much bloody paperwork to catch up on!:mad:

Tell you what, since this mod thing is real bur under your saddle, I'll ask SJ to have Jon take me off the volunteer mod list...:) :)
He'll have to find him first;)

He'll have to find him first;)

I can wait :) :)

Tell you what, since this mod thing is real bur under your saddle, I'll ask SJ to have Jon take me off the volunteer mod list...:) :)
Suit yourself. :rolleyes: I really don't care what title you have.

Col

I can wait :) :)
That long? :eek:

Too much bloody paperwork to catch up on!:mad:

I quess you have all that personel business tax paperwork, etc stuff to go through at the end of each year huh... No wonder I'm sporting a black eye this morning...:p :p :p

Suit yourself. :rolleyes: I really don't care what title you have.

Col

And you'll just complain about something else anyway ;)

I quess you have all that personel business tax paperwork, etc stuff to go through at the end of each year huh... No wonder I'm sporting a black eye this morning...:p :p :p
Actually the tax year is about two years behind the current, however I still try and keep the records up to date, every now and then;) :p

Actually the tax year is about two years behind the current, however I still try and keep the records up to date, every now and then;) :p

Do you keep two sets of books? ;)

Why the hell should the rest of the World have to sort out Bush and Bliar's egotistical #%@k up!?:mad:

Oh I see, let Iraq go to the dogs, never mind trying to create a brighter future for mankind.

Lets just use blame as the excuse for doing nothing.

Oh I see, let Iraq go to the dogs, never mind trying to create a brighter future for mankind.

Lets just use blame as the excuse for doing nothing.

Oh dear, it's fixin' to get real ugly - Joe's in town - :p :p

Have a good xmas Joe?

Do you keep two sets of books? ;)
I don't keep any "books", all digital records in that marvellous creation Access97:cool: :eek: :mad: :o :p

Oh I see, let Iraq go to the dogs, never mind trying to create a brighter future for mankind.

Lets just use blame as the excuse for doing nothing.
Bush and Bliar sent it to the dogs in the first place, let them sort out their own bloody mess on their own.

...:cool: :eek: :mad: :o :p

I see you must have mixed emotions regarding Access :p :p

I see you must have mixed emotions regarding Access :p :p
I think it fair to say that everybody has:cool:

Oh I see, let Iraq go to the dogs, never mind trying to create a brighter future for mankind.

Lets just use blame as the excuse for doing nothing.

Had the USA kept its nose out in the first place and not been so greedy for the oil, the world would be a much safer place.
Remember all this is about oil, nothing to do with "mankind". The "brighter future" you refer to is of course for the USA - to hell with everyone else.
The USA doesn't give a monkey's about anyone except the USA and it doesn't care who or how many it kills for the "brighter future"

How can you be so brainwashed Jenny?

Col

...The USA doesn't give a monkey's about anyone except the USA and it doesn't care who or how many it kills for the "brighter future"


That's not a very nice thing to say - :o

How can you be so brainwashed Jenny?

Col
Simple, he's American

That's not a very nice thing to say - :o
You haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 then.

Col

Simple, he's American

Oh dear, now Joe upset Rich as well :(

You haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 then.

Col

Sure I did, right after I watched Bewitched... That darn Samantha should be more carefull where she twicthes her little magical nose - ;)

Sure I did, right after I watched Bewitched...
Ah, so you obviously disbelieve the evidence to support the claims in the 9/11 film then. Thought you might.

As I said earlier. Suit yourself, I really don't care what you do.

Col

Ah, so you obviously disbelieve the evidence to support the claims in the 9/11 film then. Thought you might.

As I said earlier. Suit yourself, I really don't care what you do.

Col

'Evidence' from a film made by a political activist - There's a contradiction in terms :p

As I said earlier. Suit yourself, I really don't care what you do.

You sure talk an awful lot about it for not caring. ;)

America is so self centred, thats why the world hates the USA Col
Crap! Go away for a week, and now Col is speaking for the whole world!
And I thought that was Rich's job :rolleyes:

Bush and Bliar sent it to the dogs in the first place, let them sort out their own bloody mess on their own.
You know, it seems to me it is all the U.K.'s fault to start with :confused:
The U.K. lied about the WMD's and other things.
THEN they did not do their part to help out. :eek:

Should have gone down like this.
Send in the USA to kick their butts initially.
Turn the reins over to the U.K. who has experience in taking over countries and running them.

So if the U.K. had basically said, OK, you beat them down, now let us take over since this is the part we are good at, we might not be in the mess we are today. It sure seemed evident the US was pretty clueless after the initial butt kicking. :D

THEN they did not do their part to help out. :eek:


Well I hate to point this out but the UK was and still is there:mad:

'Evidence' from a film made by a political activist - There's a contradiction in terms :p
Unlike the evidence provide by Bush, Chenny etc. etc. Which would you now choose to believe?:p

Unlike the evidence provide by Bush, Chenny etc. etc. Which would you now choose to believe?:p

Good point - :) :)

Unlike the evidence provide by Bush, Chenny etc. etc. Which would you now choose to believe?:p

Neither. :cool:

Crap! Go away for a week, and now Col is speaking for the whole world!
And I thought that was Rich's job :rolleyes:
That's because we're both well versed on the subject and not subjected to American patrio brainwashing:rolleyes:

Neither. :cool:
Then where lays the truth?:confused:

Who cares - Someone else will lie to us tomorrow :mad:

Who cares - Someone else will lie to us tomorrow :mad:
That's a defeatist attitude Ken and allows the morons to continue to get away with it. Remember it's supposed to be a government of the people for the people etc

That's a defeatist attitude Ken and allows the morons to continue to get away with it. Remember it's supposed to be a government of the people for the people etc

But all the belly aching around here doesn't seem to be making much of an impact does it - :p

But all the belly aching around here doesn't seem to be making much of an impact does it - :p

Nah, we just need to look for an "honest" politician next time. Hahahahaha. :D

But all the belly aching around here doesn't seem to be making much of an impact does it - :p
Then get out and spread the message!:mad: :p

Nah, we just need to look for an "honest" politician next time. Hahahahaha. :D
Is there one in America?:confused:

Is there one in America?:confused:

Is there one anywhere? :confused:

Is there one anywhere? :confused:
Yes, just not enough though:mad:

Yes, just not enough though:mad:

And not in prominent offices. :mad:

And not in prominent offices. :mad:
That's because they're not devious enough:eek: :D

Is there one in America?:confused:

Mark Warner' former Governor of Virginia.

Ann Richardson, former Governor of Texas

Kathy Whitmeyer, former mayor of Houston.

and thousands more in local and state politics.

Thank God (and the Founding Fathers) for the seperation of power.

I think Jimmy Carter is (was) honest. Just not a very good president = :):)

Mark Warner' former Governor of Virginia.

Nah, he sent at least 11 to the chamber, obviously not a Christian, therefore doesn't get my vote. Now try again

Nah, he sent at least 11 to the chamber

The Chamber of Commerce? :cool:

The Chamber of Commerce? :cool:
The Chamber of Horrors:cool:
'course that could be misconstrued as the Senate.

The Chamber of Horrors:cool:
'course that could be misconstrued as the Senate.

That could be misconstrued as a lot of things. :eek:

That could be misconstrued as a lot of things. :eek:
And a lot of things could be misconstrued:cool: :D

And a lot of things could be misconstrued:cool: :D

You can say that again. :D

You can say that again. :D
And a lot of things could be misconstrued:cool:

And a lot of things could be misconstrued:cool:

I wondered if you would do that. :rolleyes: :p

I wondered if you would do that. :rolleyes: :p
Did I misconstrue your original intention?:confused: :p

Did I misconstrue your original intention?:confused: :p

I guess it's my fault for leaving it too open-ended. ;) :p

I guess it's my fault for leaving it too open-ended. ;) :p
Well I'm not one for pointing the finger of blame:cool: :p

Well I'm not one for pointing the finger of blame:cool: :p

No, of course not.

Well I'm not one for pointing the finger of blame:cool: :p

Fortunately for me. :) :cool:

Fortunately for me. :) :cool:
I'd say for both of us, who knows, I might bump into Mr. G. one day:cool: :D

I'd say for both of us, who knows, I might bump into Mr. G. one day:cool: :D

A remote possibility, but I suppose it could happen. :p

A remote possibility, but I suppose it could happen. :p
Well if there wasn't so many gun-toting crooks on the streets over there I might be tempted to visit. Of course it would have to be after Bush has left:mad: ;) :D

Well if there wasn't so many gun-toting crooks on the streets over there I might be tempted to visit. Of course it would have to be after Bush has left:mad: ;) :D

Yeah, I don't leave home without my bullet-proof vest on. I'm sure that Bush would love to see you and hear your opinions. :eek: :D

Yeah, I don't leave home without my bullet-proof vest on. I'm sure that Bush would love to see you and hear your opinions. :eek: :D
Bush only cared about anybody's opinion when it finally dawned on him that American voters turned on him :mad:

Bush only cared about anybody's opinion when it finally dawned on him that American voters turned on him :mad:

Bush is a puppit.

Why bother being upset at him. Wal-Mart and Exxon run this country.

Well I hate to point this out but the UK was and still is there:mad:
Ah, the old sound byte bit, taking part instead of the whole.
Not quite what that meant.

Unlike the evidence provide by Bush, Chenny etc. etc. Which would you now choose to believe?:p
Given to them by the Brits?:eek:

Given to them by the Brits?:eek:
That wasn't evidence, anyone of any merit dismissed it from the start:rolleyes: