Any thoughts on this...

You know there obviously is some language problems here. They have the knoweledge to do business in the US but yet they dont know what, "How many people are with you" means?

The driver said he was alone. I believe they said he was missing some paperwork but the manifest matched.

Seems suspicious to me. 1 lebonese and 2 Iraqis? Making a delivery on Sunday when the port I believe is closed for that due to that day being for Crusie Ships.

I dont know. Makes you wonder if its a test to check the port security or who they can sneek in and out.

Well not as bad this one:
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html

You know there obviously is some language problems here. They have the knoweledge to do business in the US but yet they dont know what, "How many people are with you" means?

Are you thinking thats suspicious - we get visitors here form all over the world on business - many of them speak very little english at all, and easily could give a strange answer to a simple question.

I wonder how many US people on business round the world could easily misunderstand the native language? The majority outside of English speaking countries I would think.

Well not as bad this one:
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html

Wow. No kidding. Yet people want an open border policy. I am all for people coming here via immigration, but the border needs to be closed in areas other than legal crossings.

There is no need to sneak across, just wait your turn and do it legally and you will have no problem at all.

We all know that most of Mexico is controlled by Drug Cartels.

Any thoughts on this...

You know there obviously is some language problems here. They have the knoweledge to do business in the US but yet they dont know what, "How many people are with you" means?

The driver said he was alone. I believe they said he was missing some paperwork but the manifest matched.

Seems suspicious to me. 1 lebonese and 2 Iraqis? Making a delivery on Sunday when the port I believe is closed for that due to that day being for Crusie Ships.

I dont know. Makes you wonder if its a test to check the port security or who they can sneek in and out.

But you didn't tell the rest of the story that they were actually legitimate American citizens with a legitimate cargo for delivery to the port.
Smacks more of American jitters than anything

But you didn't tell the rest of the story that they were actually legitimate American citizens with a legitimate cargo for delivery to the port.
Smacks more of American jitters than anything

Yea I read that after I posted this. But yea, I would rather side on the side of caution then to assume nothing at all. You never know the intentions of someone or some group...unfortnately people from that part of the world have a motive. It makes sense to me to profile people of that background because, well...isnt that the area of the world that wants to attack us.

Had they been North Korean or Persian (Iranians) I would have jumped to the same conclusion. That is the unfortunate world we live in.

Not to mention that sometimes people who were born in and live in your country still side with the ones who want to attack us. How many terrorist attacks in Great Britian have been carried out by British muslims who were born and raised in Great Britain? Not necessarily condoning profiling, but I think anyone who can't correctly answer the questions to the border patrol or port security should raise suspicions. Maybe they are intentionally lying to you or maybe there is just a language barrier, but it should always be checked out to determine that.

. How many terrorist attacks in Great Britian have been carried out by British muslims who were born and raised in Great Britain? .
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So, it's something that can happen. I think there was a foiled attempt by someone here that was American-born. At any rate, care needs to be taken over here especially with everyone wanting to attack us, plus our proximity to Mexico and the number of people who are wanting to bring drugs into our country. If you can't answer the question of how many people are with you, then you shouldn't be mad when they check to see how many people are with you.

I mean for all we know...they could have been planned months ahead. They could be playing dumb. Their goal for all we know could be to check how easy it would be sneak people in and out and to possibly haul cargo which may be incorrect for paperwork or documents.

I would not be suprised, even though they were let go and probably really are just innocent that they are under surveillance of some sort...

Good old Big Brother...

Hey Britain has the most Closed Circuit cameras in the world...and a attack was still possible...

Smacks more of American jitters than anything

At least no-one got hurt unlike with this case (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5359500.stm)

At least no-one got hurt unlike with this case (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5359500.stm)

Yea thats too bad. I heard about that. Didnt he have a backpack on and disobey commands by authorities or something...

Thought I read or heard he did something like that...

Plus the fact with all the chaos at the time...If I was a cop I would prob have been a little nervous myself...cops dont want to die either...and prob got a little trigger happy due to circumstances.

At least no-one got hurt unlike with this case (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5359500.stm)
Are you serious? An American lecturing on innocents being killed due to mass hysteria, I don't think so, your war on terror has killed countless thousand innocents:rolleyes:

Are you serious? An American lecturing on innocents being killed due to mass hysteria, I don't think so, your war on terror has killed countless thousand innocents:rolleyes:

How can it be 'my' war as opposed to yours? :confused:

and prob got a little trigger happy due to circumstances.

excellent euphemism :D Apparently he got shot seven times in the head :eek:

How can it be 'my' war as opposed to yours? :confused:
I don't subscribe to the view that every funny looking foreigner is a prospective terrorist or bombing innocent civillians in the hope of getting one known terrorist is any better than the actions of the terrorist.

excellent euphemism :D Apparently he got shot seven times in the head :eek:
how many innocent civillians do your police kill everyday?:rolleyes:

I don't subscribe to the view that every funny looking foreigner is a prospective terrorist or bombing innocent civillians in the hope of getting one known terrorist is any better than the actions of the terrorist.

Are you saying that I do :confused:

how many innocent civillians do your police kill everyday?:rolleyes:

We usually stop after the first couple of head-shots :p

Are you saying that I do :confused:
I'm saying that America as society does

We usually stop after the first couple of head-shots :p
You'll forgive me for not laughing at something that the British were deeply saddened by in the first place.

...they were actually legitimate American citizens with a legitimate cargo for delivery to the port.
And couldn't understand a simple question, posed in English? Am I missing something? What happened to the "must be able to read, write, speak and understand the English language" part of the citizen's test? :confused:

And couldn't understand a simple question, posed in English? Am I missing something? What happened to the "must be able to read, write, speak and understand the English language" part of the citizen's test? :confused:
I suspect the question was posed in American, perhaps your citizen test needs to be changed

I suspect the question was posed in American, perhaps your citizen test needs to be changedCertainly... perhaps something along the line of "When preparing Earl Grey, should you use lemon or milk?"

Certainly... perhaps something along the line of "When preparing Earl Grey, should you use lemon or milk?"
The question should be, why drink it at all

We usually stop after the first couple of head-shots :p

Lol...well sometimes we do and sometimes...they empty 50 bullets...all depending.

NYC WILD WEST SHOOTOUT (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232079,00.html)

And couldn't understand a simple question, posed in English? Am I missing something? What happened to the "must be able to read, write, speak and understand the English language" part of the citizen's test? :confused:

Agreed...I would especially know what I am doing if I was from a ethnic group that unfortuantely is being profiled.

I dont think the US is alone...Britain, France, and a lot of Euro's hava a huge assimilation problem. Countries within Countries?

I'm saying that America as society does

So how does that make it 'my' war :confused:

So how does that make it 'my' war :confused:
The term your was used in the context that your referrred to America and not individuals. But then you knew that already, didn't you

And couldn't understand a simple question, posed in English? Am I missing something? What happened to the "must be able to read, write, speak and understand the English language" part of the citizen's test? :confused:

It doesn't even matter if you can speak english. I know for a fact that if you don't give straight answers to straight questions at ports of entry then you get tagged for a grilling. Last time I went through London, Gatwick I had to go through 3 seperate security checks and queue for an hour to get through the X-Ray machine.

The term your was used in the context that your referrred to America and not individuals. But then you knew that already, didn't you

An American lecturing on innocents being killed due to mass hysteria, I don't think so, your war on terror has killed countless thousand innocents

The context seemed fairly personal to me. The subject of this sentence 'American' does refer to me personally doesn't it? :confused:

I don't subscribe to the view that every funny looking foreigner is a prospective terrorist or bombing innocent civillians in the hope of getting one known terrorist is any better than the actions of the terrorist.

Well that happens to be just the sign of the times. There was the IRA in Ireland who terrorized, and they were white. There for a major part of history the Italian Mafia -- Europeans. Hell John Godi in NYC just went down not too long ago.

Terrorists come in many shapes and sizes colors and flavors. In todays world it happens to be certain people of a certain ethnic group. Thats all.

As long as you are not caucausion, are muslim, not a westerner...then your safe. But for most part...terrorists are after civilians...easy targets.

So you better beleive that I am keeping my eye open to suspicious activity, if not then I would be ignoring history. Americans arent going to return to a pre 9/11 time, and if you forget about that then you are doomed to repeat it.

The bombings of the British subway system is another example why you should pay attention to suspicious people. Call it wrong or right to profile...I call it, I am staying alive.

Like Cypress Hill once said..."I aint goin out like dat"

Well that happens to be just the sign of the times.

I think it laughable when people try to blame the security forces for impeding their freedoms then lampoon them when some idiot journalist manages to sneak a bottle of coke on board.

My wife hates security checks with a passion and she makes all the border officials know about it. (especially English ones :D ) She ALWAYS gets the full baggage search and 99 questions :p and hates it when I don't because I just calmly answer every question that is posed with direct eye contact.

The context seemed fairly personal to me. The subject of this sentence 'American' does refer to me personally doesn't it? :confused:
You're arguing semantics again

My wife hates security checks with a passion and she makes all the border officials know about it. (especially English ones :D )
We don't have "border officials":rolleyes: we have Her Majesty's Customs and Immigration controls - now thanks to the Yanks unleashing almost every terrorist group and making the world totally unsafe, we have "additional security checks"

Col

As long as you are not caucausion, are muslim, not a westerner...then your safe. But for most part...terrorists are after civilians...easy targets.
I don't follow this:confused: you need to ask the families of the 30,000+ dead Iraqi's if they feel safe because they are non-caucasion, Muslim and middle eastern.

Col

We don't have "border officials":rolleyes: we have Her Majesty's Customs and Immigration controls - now thanks to the Yanks unleashing almost every terrorist group and making the world totally unsafe, we have "additional security checks"

Col
Well that's not quite true Col because the president of the united states has stated that he's made the world a safer place for americans and in a typical american ethos it's f*#$ everybody else!:rolleyes:

We don't have "border officials":rolleyes: we have Her Majesty's Customs and Immigration controls - now thanks to the Yanks unleashing almost every terrorist group and making the world totally unsafe, we have "additional security checks"

Col

Not totally true. Terrorists and or groups have been around for a while and not the total fault of the yanks. In fact...its a middle east thing. There are terrorist groups all over the globe in different countries.

Some things that come to mind:

British Imperialism for most of the modern world - NOT the US
Russia has muslim problems as well - Chechnya*
China just shut down a muslim terrorist group operating there this week
Spain - Train Bombings
India - Train Bombings

etc.


Now muslim extremists hate the US...then why are these countries having a problem as well...its a global issue.

To blame it on the US is a cop out. Pointing the finger. These groups were here before. Go back to the 1977 Islamic Revolution in Iran. The US has only been around 200+years...and you wanna blame it completely for this anger. Lets go back to British, French, Spanish Colonies...Imperialism...for the start.

They have a view on the world that they want to impose. Doestn matter where your from, or what country you live in.

We didnt ask to be attacked in 1993 on the first attempt of the Trade Towers, or even on 9/11. Or when in the 1977 Islamic Revolution in Iran the attacking of our embassy and the hostages that were held.

Maybe the US should just attack embassies like Iran or like Al-queda did twice in Africa. Maybe we should target civilians like they do. Maybe we should become a dictorship and kill our civilians who question our govt? And were the bad guy?

Lets not forget the US is the most generous country in the world and donates far more than any other country in the world. Lets not forget that we saved Europe from Nazi Germany...

I don't follow this:confused: you need to ask the families of the 30,000+ dead Iraqi's if they feel safe because they are non-caucasion, Muslim and middle eastern.

Col

Well you should as IRAN that question...they are using Iraq as a proxy to fight us. They are casuing the unrest in Iraq. Its there IED's, there terrorists coming in.

Iran doesnt want the US to succeed in Iraq. Iran is the problem.

Lets not forget that before we got there...Saddam killed few hundred thousand of his own people, gassed the Kurds in the North, Attacked Iran in a 10 year war, and invaded Kuwait, launched scud missles at Israel... and yet the US is the casue of this?

People forget that we stopped the Japanese Imperialism, defeated Russian communism and the cold war, freed Europe from the Nazi's who the bombed the heck out of Europe, removed saddam a dictator, not to metion we ended WWII, protect South Korea from the North...and yet the US is the bad guy?

Maybe we should target civilians like they do.
You do. 30,000 dead in Iraq - hundreds dead in Somalia yesterday thanks to a USA air strike
Maybe we should become a dictorship and kill our civilians who question our govt?
You do via the FBI [ref the film Fahrenheit 9/11]

Lets not forget the US is the most generous country in the world and donates far more than any other country in the world.
Lest we forget - you are also the richest and have bled dry alot of places to get there. Plus the USA destroys many more places than anyone else, that funds the lucrative rebuilding contracts for GWB and his cronies.

Lets not forget that we saved Europe from Nazi Germany...
Gosh really was the USA in it? actually, there were many nations involved in that quest. The USA is not the saviour you think it is - and anyway, you only came in if we paid you, we are still paying [dollars] and the last installments are being paid currently.

Col

To blame it on the US is a cop out. Pointing the finger. These groups were here before. Go back to the 1977 Islamic Revolution in Iran. ..
The Islamic revolution took place because the AMERICAN PUPPET (i.e. The Shah of Iran) was a ruthless dictator:rolleyes:

Lets not forget the US is the most generous country in the world and donates far more than any other country in the world.
That's not true, I've posted the figures here before to proove that the Japanese are more generous than America and in any case most gifts from the States come with strings attached.

Lets not forget that we saved Europe from Nazi Germany...



Not that pile of American education crap again!:rolleyes:

Well you should as IRAN that question...they are using Iraq as a proxy to fight us.
Like the USA armed the Taliban to fight the Russians for them in the Afghan war following Russian invasion.

Like the USA arms Israel against the Palestinians.

I spent some time in Iran [Tehran and other major cities] and found it to be a very nice place, pleasant friendly people, lovely architecture beautiful mosques etc.
Then religion became the power via the Ayatollah - the Shah was ousted and it went downhill from there.

Col

now thanks to the Yanks unleashing almost every terrorist group and making the world totally unsafe, we have "additional security checks"


You have additional security checks because psychotics (some of British nationality) are trying to murder innocent people. Do try to get your facts straight. :rolleyes:

We don't have "border officials":rolleyes: we have Her Majesty's Customs and Immigration controls
Col

Apparently we're not allowed to argue semantics, so this point is not valid :rolleyes:

You're arguing semantics again

If only you'd say what you mean we could avoid the process. :rolleyes:

You do. 30,000 dead in Iraq - hundreds dead in Somalia yesterday thanks to a USA air strike


Targeting and killed the Al-Queda who commanded the bombing of 2 US embassy's in Africa. The same group who bombed you subway...your welcome.

You do via the FBI [ref the film Fahrenheit 9/11]


Political Propaganda...

Lest we forget - you are also the richest and have bled dry alot of places to get there. Plus the USA destroys many more places than anyone else, that funds the lucrative rebuilding contracts for GWB and his cronies.


Learned it from Britain and the rest of Europe who have done for last 1000 years. Dont hate cause of our success.

Gosh really was the USA in it? actually, there were many nations involved in that quest. The USA is not the saviour you think it is - and anyway, you only came in if we paid you, we are still paying [dollars] and the last installments are being paid currently.


D-Day? We sacrificed tens of thousands to save Europe. We didnt want to be part of that war, wasnt even on our shores. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor that made us the country that we are now. We were brought in. Europe couldnt stop the advancement of the Nazi's.

Col

You have additional security checks because psychotics (some of British nationality) are trying to murder innocent people. Do try to get your facts straight. :rolleyes:
One of British nationality, do try to get your facts straight:rolleyes: - and he was already here because he is British. The additional security is due to the worldwide instability brought about by the USA creating havoc in Iraq and the subsequent USA manipulated murder of its leader.

Apparently we're not allowed to argue semantics, so this point is not valid
I was not arguing - Please learn to distinguish between the meaning of "argue" and being told the correct title for a UK Government department.

Col

Europe couldnt stop the advancement of the Nazi's.

Col
I beg your pardon but a little country called Great Britain did just such a thing. Dammed American history books

If only you'd say what you mean we could avoid the process. :rolleyes:
And if you weren't drifting towards dementure you'd have remembered that we've been through this at length here before:p

D-Day? We sacrificed tens of thousands to save Europe. We didnt want to be part of that war, wasnt even on our shores. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor that made us the country that we are now. We were brought in. Europe couldnt stop the advancement of the Nazi's.

Col
Actually you didn't loose that many on D-Day and you only joinrd in the fight to preserve democracy because Hitler declared war on you.
god dammed American history books:rolleyes:

And if you weren't drifting towards dementure you'd have remembered that we've been through this at length here before:p

One of my resolutions was to get closer to my favorite Brit :D

One of my resolutions was to get closer to my favorite Brit :D
She's now in the House of Lords:p

We were brought in. Europe couldnt stop the advancement of the Nazi's.

Col
why are you using my name as your sig? this could be dangerous as people may think I'm American:eek: :rolleyes: Can you think of another sig please?

Col

The Islamic revolution took place because the AMERICAN PUPPET (i.e. The Shah of Iran) was a ruthless dictator:rolleyes:

Why when a government happens to be friends with, agrees with, or sides with the US it becomes a puppet? Never understood that. Then you agree the dictorship now in Iran must be ruthless as well?

That's not true, I've posted the figures here before to proove that the Japanese are more generous than America and in any case most gifts from the States come with strings attached.

Well yea would you attached strings. An attached string to donate money to some African countries was to fight corruption...sounds good to me.

Not that pile of American education crap again!:rolleyes:

When Europe needs are help we send the whole fleet..but when we need Europes help we get a 1000 soldiers.

One of British nationality, do try to get your facts straight:rolleyes: - and he was already here because he is British. The additional security is due to the worldwide instability brought about by the USA creating havoc in Iraq and the subsequent USA manipulated murder of its leader.

Oh dear, don't you read the papers :confused:

Here's at least two (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4304223.stm)

and doesn't East London border on to Essex :confused: ref (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot_suspects)


I was not arguing - Please learn to distinguish between the meaning of "argue" and being told the correct title for a UK Government department.


Perhaps you should, you might learn something ;)

She's now in the House of Lords:p

No wonder Col has so much spare time to aggravate me :eek: :p

Why when a government happens to be friends with, agrees with, or sides with the US it becomes a puppet? Never understood that. Then you agree the dictorship now in Iran must be ruthless as well?

.
The US installed the Shah,



When Europe needs are help we send the whole fleet..but when we need Europes help we get a 1000 soldiers

The wars in Europe weren't started by the defenders of democracy.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not and never will be, meritorious

Actually you didn't loose that many on D-Day and you only joinrd in the fight to preserve democracy because Hitler declared war on you.
god dammed American history books:rolleyes:

Monty didn't want us around either :rolleyes: :p

Oh dear, don't you read the papers :confused:

Here's at least two (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4304223.stm)


Had you read the article you would have learnt that he'd actually backed out of the plot

Monty didn't want us around either :rolleyes: :p
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion?:confused:

Had you read the article you would have learnt that he'd actually backed out of the plot

Phew! Let's just give him a slapped wrist then shall we?

"He had booked a ticket to fly from Manchester to Amsterdam in preparation for an onward flight to the United States on which the explosive device would be initiated," he said.

Monty didn't want us around either :rolleyes: :p
I wouldn't either. Your track record at killing Allies is well known. Your troops are so trigger happy, they shoot anything, and you got the nerve to call it "friendly fire":rolleyes:

If the Yanks came to "save" us like you think you "saved" Iraq, I'd get the hell out PDQ, thats the last thing I'd want.

Col

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion?

Let's call it an educated guess ;)


I wouldn't either. Your track record at killing Allies is well known. Your troops are so trigger happy, they shoot anything, and you got the nerve to call it "friendly fire":rolleyes:

If the Yanks came to "save" us like you think you "saved" Iraq, I'd get the hell out PDQ, thats the last thing I'd want.

Col

I wouldn't either.

Not what your ladies thought at the time. :p

ref (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/oversexed-overpaid-and-over-here.html)

Not what your ladies thought at the time. :p

ref (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/oversexed-overpaid-and-over-here.html)
Yes, we have alot of US military fathered children who were left high and dry when the Yanks retreated home rather than face up to responsibilities.

Col

Yes, we have alot of US military fathered children who were left high and dry when the Yanks retreated home rather than face up to responsibilities.

Col

Are you over-populated with ageing bastards :confused:

Are you over-populated with ageing bastards :confused:Well apart from Rich, Col and me it's hard to say...:D

Well apart from Rich, Col and me it's hard to say...:D

I guess having one or more of those does count as too many :p

Yes, we have alot of US military fathered children who were left high and dry when the Yanks retreated home rather than face up to responsibilities.

Col

We were simply just trying to make more consumers to buy US Goods later on....lol

Not only did we save France...but you robbed our trooops!!!!!!

WWII Wallet Returned (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_fe_st/wallet_returned)

Not only did we save France...but you robbed our trooops!!!!!!

WWII Wallet Returned (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_fe_st/wallet_returned)

:confused: :confused:
Would you care to explain how?

Brian

Not only did we save France...but you robbed our trooops!!!!!!

WWII Wallet Returned (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_fe_st/wallet_returned)

Yeah I read the article, it doesn't say that anyone took the wallet, just that it was misplaced while he was in the hospital

Yeah I read the article, it doesn't say that anyone took the wallet, just that it was misplaced while he was in the hospital
Oh we KNOW those Brits took it, can't trust those thieving bunch of .....:eek:

Just teasing guys, don't have a cow...:p

Actually you didn't loose that many on D-Day and you only joinrd in the fight to preserve democracy because Hitler declared war on you.
god dammed American history books:rolleyes:

Once there is democracy throughout the world the US will not have to be on the offense. Our country stands for one thing...democracy. We were founded on freedom.

We all know that we escaped British rule, and if they didnt fight in such bright red coats and in straight lines...they may have held onto America.

Do you think if N. Korea was democratic there would be an issue? Nope. They have starving people living in horrible conditions...but they would rather have Nukes. If Iran was democratic the same thing. The people would change their govt, however there not democracies...

So we have to do it.

We only have "Wars" with non democracies.

Just teasing guys, don't have a cow...:p

and don't think about stealing one either :mad: :p

Yeah I read the article, it doesn't say that anyone took the wallet, just that it was misplaced while he was in the hospital

Yea I was just kidding about that...talkin bout WWII today and found that article...we were all saying how the US saved Europe and now nobody's grateful..:p

We only have "Wars" with non democracies.

Especially if they happen to be tea-drinking "monarchies" :D

So we have to do it.

We only have "Wars" with non democracies.

Well, to be fair it's not really our job to force all the governments of the world to be democracies. We only squash them if they make us mad. :p :rolleyes:

Especially if they happen to be tea-drinking "monarchies" :D

Yeah, they're the worst. :D

Yeah, they're the worst. :D

I say impose banana import sanctions on the lot of 'em :mad:

I say impose banana import sanctions on the lot of 'em :mad:

That'll learn 'em. :p

That'll learn 'em. :p

... and 'no tree-swinging' restriction zones too. :p

... and 'no tree-swinging' restriction zones too. :p

That sounds worse than a dictatorship. :eek:

If Iran was democratic the same thing.
That's what's so bloody scary about Americans, most of them are ignorant when it comes to the facts, and the facts are that both Iran and Palestine are democracies. What pisses off the yanks is that they don't share the American capitalist dream

I say impose banana import sanctions on the lot of 'em :mad:
Your capitalist banana companies over there have already taken control of the WTO:rolleyes:

Your capitalist banana companies over there have already taken control of the WTO:rolleyes:

Whoo-hoo! :p

That's what's so bloody scary about Americans, most of them are ignorant when it comes to the facts, and the facts are that both Iran and Palestine are democracies. What pisses off the yanks is that they don't share the American capitalist dream

Ok Hamas being elected goes against the theory that democracies dont wage war upon each other...due to the fact of elected officials and people having say in the govt.

Even in lebanon where Hezbolla is part of Sinora's govt, even though its the terrorist wing of Iran.

Iran yes Ahamedinjad* was elected, but the power and ultimate say still lies upon the ayotollah. Its a theocracy not a democracy...

Iran yes Ahamedinjad* was elected, but the power and ultimate say still lies upon the ayotollah. Its a theocracy not a democracy...

That was what I thought about Iran, yes they hold elections etc. but I thought the "clerics" still retained much of the power. :confused:

Its a theocracy not a democracy...
And America is a Republic not a democracy, what was your point again?:confused:

And America is a Republic not a democracy, what was your point again?:confused:

A Representative Republic, to be precise. :D I thought he was just replying to your post about Iran being a democracy. :confused:

And America is a Republic not a democracy, what was your point again?:confused:

Kinda like Star Wars...we should have Storm Troopers soon as we are developing land walkers now...actually Japan built one, needs another 10 years, but it walks.

Kinda like Star Wars...we should have Storm Troopers soon as we are developing land walkers now...actually Japan built one, needs another 10 years, but it walks.
Well let's hope that Japan has control of them and not the trigger happy U.S.

A Representative Republic, to be precise.
Representative of what exactly?:confused:

http://pics.computerbase.de/1/5/1/3/0/1_m.jpg

Japan building for us. SHould have weapons and better systems in the next decade.

Just google Japan Land Walker.

All Hail the REPUBLIC!!!

All Hail the REPUBLIC!!!

In Star Wars though, the Republic was squashed by the evil Empire. :eek:

All Hail the REPUBLIC!!!
Except the American one

In Star Wars though, the Republic was squashed by the evil Empire. :eek:

I thought the Republic was the evil empire...and the good guys were the rebels...:rolleyes:

I thought the Republic was the evil empire...and the good guys were the rebels...
Not much different to today then:rolleyes:

Not much different to today then:rolleyes:

I knew I set myself up for that one...;)

I thought the Republic was the evil empire...and the good guys were the rebels...:rolleyes:

in the original story this is taking into account all the movies and the books starting from the beginning, the galactic republic was a democratic collection of planets and systems, similar to the UN they ran everything, though the UN doesnt. some systems were not part of the republic yada yada. then the times of the civil war with the outlying systems count dooku and the trade federation all set into motion by then senator palpatine. around episode three when the war is in full swing palpatine had the senate give him basically unlimited power. so in the ashes of the old republic he built the first galactic empire. that is what the rebels were fighting in episode IV. just FYI

in the original story this is taking into account all the movies and the books starting from the beginning, the galactic republic was a democratic collection of planets and systems, similar to the UN they ran everything, though the UN doesnt. some systems were not part of the republic yada yada. then the times of the civil war with the outlying systems count dooku and the trade federation all set into motion by then senator palpatine. around episode three when the war is in full swing palpatine had the senate give him basically unlimited power. so in the ashes of the old republic he built the first galactic empire. that is what the rebels were fighting in episode IV. just FYI

Nicely put...

So Chavez of Venezula is moving towards the evil empire by giving himself more power and changing the constitution, limiting media outlets and nationalizing resources?

See America still the gooooood guys!!!

Nicely put...

So Chavez of Venezula is moving towards the evil empire by giving himself more power and changing the constitution, limiting media outlets and nationalizing resources?

See America still the gooooood guys!!!

You mean like a president who introduces the patriot act?:rolleyes:

yeah Chavez is kinda crazy IMHO, with nationalizing everything and basically saying if he is not kept in power until at least 2031 the whole thing will collapse

yeah Chavez is kinda crazy IMHO, with nationalizing everything and basically saying if he is not kept in power until at least 2031 the whole thing will collapse

Yea he is a nutcase bent on Socialism...the system of lazyness.

Yea he is a nutcase bent on Socialism...the system of lazyness.
Actually it's the system of social justice, that's why America's so bloody scared of it

I wonder if this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6248835.stm) suspicious character will clear immigration :confused:

I wonder if this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6248835.stm) suspicious character will clear immigration :confused:
Of course, America's always been the home of soccer's has beens :p

Of course, America's always been the home of soccer's has beens :p

At approx $250,000,000 for 5 years :eek:

Where do I sign up? :p

At approx $250,000,000 for 5 years :eek:

Well he does have expensive tastes and a wife, the latter being the main reason he needs so much money

Well he does have expensive tastes and a wife, the latter being the main reason he needs so much money

I thought she had made her own money. :rolleyes:

I thought she had made her own money. :rolleyes:
Not enough, obviously:rolleyes:

Well this is funny. All the Euros who blame the US for making terrorism worse....well who the hell did Russia attack?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_re_eu/russia_terror_threat

Did they invade Iraq...or Afghanstan...not lately...maybe 20 years ago.

They have their own muslim popluation thats causing hell...could we say that due to Russia's act towards Chechyna that it has caused terror threats to go up?

Englands next...Mohammed is more popular than the name George now...oh boy. It cant just sit back on your little island and think that if we just sit around and chill out then the world would be great...

"The country has seen high-profile terrorist incidents in recent years. They included hostage-takings and subway and airline bombings linked to the 12-year conflict in mostly Muslim Chechnya, where large-scale fighting ended years ago but an insurgency continues."

...Mohammed is more popular than the name George now...
Thank Christ for that. George reminds me of a stupid American chimp:rolleyes:
Oh and what the hell's Chechnya got to do with England (Actually it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)
Now we all know Yanks are bloody lazy when it comes to using the English Language correctly, but you could try!

George hasn't been a very popular name for years.

One popular surname in the UK is Singh

Col

Now we all know Yanks are bloody lazy when it comes to using the English Language correctly, but you could try!
No, we just aren't stuck in the "old ways" like you Europeans are. We aren't afraid to modify things for better use.

They have their own muslim popluation thats causing hell...could we say that due to Russia's act towards Chechyna that it has caused terror threats to go up?


Their authorities tend to harm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2377563.stm) innocent bystanders with their "anti-terrorist" measures as well :rolleyes:

Did they invade Iraq...or Afghanstan...not lately...maybe 20 years ago.


Russia's human rights records in Chechnya is appalling. Not advocating terrorism here, but the scenario differs from the UK by the fact that the authorities supported the degradation of ethnic minorities while in the UK it is simply the thuggish element.