View Full Version : OT - How does Reputation work?
Niniel 01-24-2007, 09:12 AM Sorry, this isn't exactly an Access question, but I was trying to add to the reputation of people who've been answering my questions and got an error message that I had to spread some more reputation around before I could give anymore to this particular person.
I assumed that every time I received help I could click on that icon, but it doesn't seem to work that way.
So, how *does* this work?
Fifty2One 01-24-2007, 09:42 AM if someone is helpful then click on the icon and deliver a heap of praise... the spread it around rule is so some people here dont get a swelled head... but i agree there are obvoiusly individuals who are on the edge of being immortal... in spite of their humility they all know who they are...
Jakboi 01-24-2007, 10:01 AM Yea I just started using as well...seeing so many people help me...think I gave out like 3 or 4 today.
Its probably to prevent to people just addin reputation to one person all day...kinda like spam protection...
Theres probably a limit of how much 1 person can give another in like a certain timeframe...
Niniel 01-24-2007, 10:46 AM Ah yes, that makes sense.
But how exactly does it work? One Praise/day? Week? Or does one have to commend x people before one can add more reputation to the first person?
MrsGorilla 01-24-2007, 11:06 AM Ah yes, that makes sense.
But how exactly does it work? One Praise/day? Week? Or does one have to commend x people before one can add more reputation to the first person?
I think you have to commend x number of other people before you can give reputation back to the first person again.
arashii 02-27-2007, 10:14 PM Where can you read the reputation of the people? :)
boblarson 02-27-2007, 10:25 PM Each person can see the last 5 of their own, but you can see the overall results by putting your mouse over the little green (or red, if they've been less than stellar), box on the top right of their posts.
I believe 0-50 is "x is on a distinguished road"
51 to ? is "x will become famous soon enough"
Don't know about the rest as I haven't gotten there yet. Also you get more points for someone with more posts than someone with only a few.
arashii 02-27-2007, 10:34 PM I see. I just read about the reputation thingy today and am now trying to find my earlier posts (thankfully few) to give some reputation to the wonderful people who helped me.
(But I guess since I have few posts the reputation I give out won't be of much value ~_~; ).
I wish we can read the reputation (even if only the good stuff) given out to people. :)
boblarson 02-27-2007, 11:04 PM Not to worry, if you want to get a few more posts before "spreading the reputation around" go to the Watercooler and make some comments :D
And on a more serious note, it really doesn't matter. It's still nice to see that you're getting reputation added, regardless of how many "points" it's worth.
namliam 02-27-2007, 11:36 PM Each person can see the last 5 of their own, but you can see the overall results by putting your mouse over the little green (or red, if they've been less than stellar), box on the top right of their posts.
I never even knew... How can you see the last 5 ???
Ah... I guessed right... User CP shows them...
Brianwarnock 02-28-2007, 03:53 AM Also you get more points for someone with more posts than someone with only a few.
Let me see if I've got this correct.
If somebody racks up a lot of posts in the Watercooler then I answer a simple question for them I can get more points than redesigning a database for a newbie? Well I guess that makes sense:rolleyes:
Brian
boblarson 02-28-2007, 05:14 AM I would think so, unfortunately, as it really can't distinguish between categories on the forum.
CraigDolphin 10-18-2007, 11:14 AM I understand the concept that rep from people with more posts is worth more than from people with few posts. I keep getting rep from people worth zero points but with very enthusiastic comments. The most recent one was from a poster with ~ 25 posts.
How many posts does a poster need in order to provide at least one point?
Banana 10-18-2007, 11:20 AM Erm, I thought points weren't dependent on posts but rather the points you have. Based on what I learned from another vBulletin forum, whenever you give out a green jello, it's based on a percentage of total points you have, while the red jello is half of that.
boblarson 10-18-2007, 11:21 AM I understand the concept that rep from people with more posts is worth more than from people with few posts. I keep getting rep from people worth zero points but with very enthusiastic comments. The most recent one was from a poster with ~ 25 posts.
How many posts does a poster need in order to provide at least one point?
I'm not really sure. If they have been a member, even without posts, for a year then they give a min of 1 rep point. It may be that the minimum post count is 50, if Jon kept the defaults as I was looking through the vBulletin documentation on their site and it had that as the starting point.
CraigDolphin 10-18-2007, 11:56 AM Thanks for the info Bob and Banana. :D
boblarson 10-18-2007, 12:02 PM I understand the concept that rep from people with more posts is worth more than from people with few posts. I keep getting rep from people worth zero points but with very enthusiastic comments. The most recent one was from a poster with ~ 25 posts.
It can be bit frustrating. I know that I have received 10-20 comments for every one that gives me at least 1 point. And sometimes the ratio is even higher. 40:1
So, hang in there. :)
CraigDolphin 10-18-2007, 03:03 PM No worries Bob. It's not a big deal; I was just a bit puzzled by it. :)
Brianwarnock 10-19-2007, 02:13 AM I'm with Craig on this , I keep getting 0 points from newish posters which is unfair on the poster!, the farce is that the criteria assumes that somebody who has been around along time or posted alot is asking more demanding questions, but it aint nescessarily so, and definitely does not nean less work.
Those of us who have been around any length of time no who the good guys, and gals, are, not that I'll be one:).
Please note that I'm not worried about my jelloes, I've retired after 43 years in dp/it, been there helped design the T-shirt, but I feel the system leaves alot to be desired.
Brian
Brianwarnock 10-22-2007, 07:54 AM Just took a look at my CP, of the last 5 posts to my reputation 4 added 0, the one that did add a little was in a thread that I didn't solve but apparently pointed in generally the correct direction.
Is that fair to the other posters, is the system really a bit of a joke?
Brian
CraigDolphin 10-23-2007, 09:28 AM Well, it's always nice to get a pat on the back and feel appreciated so it would probably be good if the rep thing added something even if the questioner was a 1st time poster at the time. But if not, it's no big deal. In time I'm sure I'll get another jello or two :) The challenge is to learn enough to help people who already know their A__ from their Elbow ;)
Oftimes the posters leave rep comments which are, themselves, a great form of appreciation. It makes up for the many times when you help folks and don't even get a response to your answer.
And of course, sometimes the enjoyment is in the satisfaction of solving the puzzle itself (at least for me). It keeps the brain from atrophying too much :)
Brianwarnock 10-23-2007, 11:37 AM Oftimes the posters leave rep comments which are, themselves, a great form of appreciation. It makes up for the many times when you help folks and don't even get a response to your answer.
And of course, sometimes the enjoyment is in the satisfaction of solving the puzzle itself (at least for me). It keeps the brain from atrophying too much :)
I totally agree with this, as I've said on a different thread when questioned about still being here when retired, solving these problems sure beats SuDoKu
Brian
boblarson 10-23-2007, 11:44 AM solving these problems sure beats SuDoKu
Taking out the trash ALSO beats SuDoKu. :D
rainman89 10-23-2007, 11:57 AM Is that fair to the other posters, is the system really a bit of a joke?
Brian
if its a joke. im not laughing......:mad:
CraigDolphin 10-23-2007, 12:11 PM solving these problems sure beats SuDoKu
That's funny....I've said exactly the same thing when my wife asked me why I /like/ doing db design :)
ajetrumpet 10-24-2007, 06:38 PM That's funny....I've said exactly the same thing when my wife asked me why I /like/ doing db design :)Way to sidestep that landmine Craig!! :)
CraigDolphin 01-31-2008, 11:57 AM Ok...back to this because I'm pretty sure there's some other problem with the reputation thingie. Or someone has shifted the criteria up way too high recently.
I would like to think that if you get positive reputation from someone with a postcount over 300 posts you'd at least get one point. :( As it turns out, apparently not! :confused: It's a bit weird because I have previously received rep points from posters with much lower postcounts (>50 but <100).
boblarson 01-31-2008, 12:10 PM The problem lies in that the person that gave you rep, Craig, only has 1 rep point themselves (even though they have that many posts). I believe that they need at least 10 (which is what you start with when you become a member). So this person has been receiving, or has received negative rep in the past and therefore they aren't eligible to give rep. Sorry -
CraigDolphin 01-31-2008, 12:16 PM Ok...I'll quit whinging now ;)
Fifty2One 01-31-2008, 12:57 PM I have a reputation of having to spell check everything I write... :D
...well it is only a little off topic :rolleyes:
ajetrumpet 02-02-2008, 05:47 PM (>50 but <100)I believe the correct syntax is:(>50 AND <100):D :D :D :D :D
Brianwarnock 05-05-2008, 11:10 AM Sorry to bring this thread up again but I have realised another problem with this rep thing, instead of positive feedback on the thread , which can be useful to people searching for answers, posters are adding, or trying to add , to my reputation.
Another negative for the rep systemIMHO.
Brian
CraigDolphin 05-05-2008, 12:30 PM I believe the correct syntax is:(>50 AND <100):D :D :D :D :D
I stand corrected :D
...instead of positive feedback on the thread ...
I think the rep thing is supposed to be aimed at tracking the reps of individual people, but a thread recommendation rating system could also be very helpful. Not sure if such a thing exists on the software they use here though.
It's the usual story, build an app with an optional add-on as an afterthought and suddenly all the users want to extend it beyond the scope of the original contract ;)
Rabbie 05-05-2008, 01:48 PM It seems that new members dont add any reputation points when they click the scales icon. Surely these are the very people that receive advice and can judge best what has helped them.
fearoffours 05-13-2008, 04:26 AM OK this has been bugging me slightly for a while.
I regularly give reputation points, as soon as I find a hepful post, even old ones from the archives, that have pointed me towards something.
I also only post a message if I feel I have something worth saying - if it adds to what is already in the thread.
This means that despite being around for a month now, because I choose not to flood the boards unnecessarily, my reputation points mean nothing.
Now I admit to having accidentally de-repped someone when I meant to rep them (I have reported this and trust it is in hand), and because of that one instance I am pleased that my reputation adjustments count for nothing. However, I have repped a lot of people countless times and am annoyed that it seems to be meaningless. I'm beginning to think that instead of adding to someone's reputation I should just post a message in the thread saying how much it helped me, though this will mean resurrecting years-old threads. And in most cases it will be nothing more than 'this post helped me with an identical problem' - not much help to anyone else reading the thread.
However, I am almost at my 50 posts now, so maybe I'kll go back and rerep anyone I can remember whose posts have helped in the past.
boblarson 05-13-2008, 05:58 AM Yeah, I know it can be a bit frustrating, and perhaps the setup is a bit whacked, but as I'm not positive about where the breakpoints are (I don't have access to those areas to find out), there is not much we can do. The intent that the software creators used was to keep someone from being able to register many times and give themselves points quickly, or have others have too much influence before they've been around awhile.
I would say that I am also one of those who, if all of the new posters that I have helped and have tried to add rep points, would have probably 10 times the number I do now. So, I can certainly empathize with everyone there. I pretty much have to just accept that I'm only going to get comments, not points, from those and every once in a while I get a point or two from someone who has either been here awhile, or has posted a lot and I finally answered a question for them or they decided to do the rep.
So, it is not perfect by any means. I wish there was a good way around it because I know that it is kind of disheartening to find out that you were trying to do good for someone but it turned out that it didn't do exactly what you thought it was going to do.
fearoffours 05-13-2008, 06:01 AM Good points Bob, it's difficult to get the balance between allowing newcomers to give reputation without abusing that facility.
namliam 07-21-2008, 11:25 AM Hey
What I would like to see is WHO gives the points?? Sometimes I get the feeling from the reactions attached to the points that it was not the person I directly helped but someone else.
Seeing who adds to your reputation can be worth while.... Not that the whole rep thing is that "valuable" IMHO, eventho it is a nice feature :)
georgedwilkinson 07-22-2008, 12:59 PM Sometimes I get the feeling from the reactions attached to the points that it was not the person I directly helped but someone else.
That is true. I've repped you recently for something you posted that I learned from, which is why I'm here. Not sure if you got points but, if you did, it was more than you would have gotten from the OP.
My biggest complaint is that you can only rep somebody every now and then (don't know how often). There are some people who I would rep every single day if I could.
Banana 07-22-2008, 01:08 PM The idea was to make sure two member didn't get into a lovefest orgy and rep themselves into god-like transcendency leaving mere mortals in dust. From what I can tell, you have to give it to three or five different people (this is a setting set by the administrator, I think) before you can give it to same person again.
So, spread the love to give more love is the basic message here.
Tangent-
Am I only one who thinks that newbie should be able to aware more reputation than crusty old farts? Seems to me they're one who stand to benefit the most, no?
georgedwilkinson 07-22-2008, 01:16 PM I'm sure I've given rep to at least 10 people and still can't give it to ones I've already given it to.
I understand why newbs can't rep...they have no stake, or could otherwise be used as a method of repping an "account" used by the same person to inflate their rep.
Banana 07-22-2008, 01:47 PM Ooo, I forgot about that tiny problem. Too bad, because I'm sure that 90% of points given were from newbies and thus were gray because their snots are still too wet on their nose. Had it been green, I'm sure we'd see a better indication of how helpful members were.
georgedwilkinson 07-22-2008, 02:16 PM Ooo, I forgot about that tiny problem. Too bad, because I'm sure that 90% of points given were from newbies and thus were gray because their snots are still too wet on their nose. Had it been green, I'm sure we'd see a better indication of how helpful members were.
Maybe...or it might create a new industry in China. I'm sure there's a market for inflated rep. I can see the new spam now: "Bye 1000 rep points on Access Wurld fourums, only $5.00".
boblarson 07-22-2008, 04:29 PM Yeah, I'm not sure how many you have to do to be able to do it again. It also may have some time frame involved. Unfortunately I don't have access to that part of the website configuration to check. Sorry. But, if it is any consolation to anyone, I usually get about 50 to 75 reps added to any of the ones I actually get points for. So, if your rate is any better, then count yourself lucky. :)
georgedwilkinson 08-05-2008, 01:21 PM I'm just wondering, what does a "green light" on the "Latest Reputation Received" list mean?
boblarson 08-05-2008, 01:24 PM I'm just wondering, what does a "green light" on the "Latest Reputation Received" list mean?
positive feedback from someone who has enough posts and/or time on board to actually award points. The gray is from someone who cannot give points, just comments. And red is if someone who can give points gives you bad feedback, it reduces your points.
oumahexi 08-11-2008, 07:07 AM Hey
What I would like to see is WHO gives the points?? Sometimes I get the feeling from the reactions attached to the points that it was not the person I directly helped but someone else.
Seeing who adds to your reputation can be worth while.... Not that the whole rep thing is that "valuable" IMHO, eventho it is a nice feature :)
Many of the reps I have given have been as a result of sifting through relevant threads. I figure if someone helps you, even if they don't realise it, it's always nice to say "thank you". :)
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