To whom it may concern in the future present.

My name is Tim Brewer, and I am your official afterlife planner.

Thank you for checking out this topic, from the beginning of it on this Forum.

I would like to take this time, and thank Access World Forum, and everybody that has taken the time to interact with me on it.

I respect you for taking the time, to start from the beginning, and having an open mind.

If you get a chance, please check out my profile.

I edited back to this thread, just to let you know, if you ever have questions, or comments, please feel free to let me know, and I will do my best to answer them.


I could use your input on a challenge that I am about to take, if you believe in it, please fill free to interact.

If you do not believe in it, please fill free to start your own topic :The Department of Negative Out of Body Possibilities.

Please check out my challenge down below.

----- Original Message -----From: Jeff Wagg, James Randi Educational Foundation
To: Tim Brewer ; Alison Smith
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Communications


I don't know what "advance thinking and action driven electrical thought out of body afterlife people" is or are.

Are you saying you can make the contact buzzer work without touching it?

Jeff Wagg
JREF

On 5/20/07, Tim Brewer <tbrewer003@woh.rr.com> wroteear Jeff Wagg,
*It is not a buzzer, but a light that comes on,*and that is only because I have only tried it with a light, but I suppose you could set it up to be used with a buzzer as well, and yes, I have had it work before, I just didn't think you were concerned about past events with*my experiments, so I tried not to bring that up.Science base their input in the fact that energy can not be made, destroyed, it can only*change form, so with that being the case. I want to prove that humans after they die, do have the ability to contact us through devises like this, but it can only work if we can educate them first on this*possibility. I once watched**one of your challenges were*a man tried to prove that he could alter a compass with thought alone, I would like to think my challenge is better, just because it is based on the fact that I do not even have to be anywhere near the machine when it works the way I say it will work. I would like the opportunity to have a monitor near by, only as a way to continue to send messages to the afterlife, as instructional information only.**
Please feel free to ask more questions if you would like.*Thank you,Tim*
I'm not accepting anything, I just wanted to be clear on what your claim was. You may apply now, and if you meet the criteria, your claim will be accepted.

Jeff Wagg
JREF
Thank you Jeff Wagg,*I appreciate your help in this matter, and now I will start getting things in order to be in a position to meet the criteria, and the challenge as well.*

Thank you,
Tim

Drugs?:confused: :rolleyes:

To whom it may concern,

You are at the wrong place, it you are looking for that.

Thank you,
Tim

I'm not looking for anything thanks

To whom it may concern,
Just to make sure I am on the right page with the rest of you.

Please answer these two questions for me;

1) why do you feel it is not possible?

2) If it was possible to communicate with future afterlife out of body people, would you want it to happen or not, and why?


Thank you,
Tim

Why do you think he's in the wrong place. He's been here a lot longer than you, I'm sure he has the hook up for any drug he wants on this board. :D

This poster has been very prolific at posting this same question on many, many, many forums (do a google search on the title and it returns a LOT of posts to different forums). That COULD be classified as SPAM in a different sense.

I can make a traffic light turn green with just my thoughts :)

...just sometimes it takes a couple of anxious minutes :confused: ...

I'm sure he has the hook up for any drug he wants on this board. :D

It's called Access, for those that are looking for something to keep them awake 'till the early hours, or Windoze for those wanting a quicker buzz:p

It's called Access, for those that are looking for something to keep them awake 'till the early hours, or Windoze for those wanting a quicker buzz:p

And if you want a real high-power buzz (oops, I meant brain melt), go with Access 2007 and Windows Vista :D combined.

Does anything work for either of these thoroughly tried and tested programmes? :eek:

Does anything work for either of these thoroughly tried and tested programmes? :eek:

Yes, they actually work well (at least for me) but the differences from what we are used to in the previous versions of both take some major adjustment and experimentation.

But several of the programmes I use just do not work with Vista, a friend bought a laptop a few weeks ago and had to take it back to have Vista taken off and XP installed

It was the same thing when we went from Windows 98 to XP - Several programs that used to run on Win95 and 98 wouldn't work in XP. It is going to happen and, while it isn't necessarily a good thing, it just is (based upon the current structure of OS software and the company which creates it).

I guess you gotta figure out what your "must have" software is, and use whatever will work for it until you just can't use it anymore. If you can't use Vista because some critical software won't run on it, then it definitely doesn't make sense to use it. Unfortunately, the support for the old OS won't be around anymore (but that doesn't mean that people aren't still using 3.1 or 95 - they are).

Unfortunately, the support for the old OS won't be around anymore (but that doesn't mean that people aren't still using 3.1 or 95 - they are).

Well aside from Office they can't have anything worthy on them:cool:

Rich, Bob, Ray,

Thanks for hijacking this thread. I've read Timmy's rants on other forums,
I'd rather hear about ineffectual software combinations.

btw, Can you PROVE they're ineffectual (not you Timmy, I know that).

W

...I'd rather hear about ineffectual software combinations.

Now I can really talk about ineffectual software (or at least really badly designed) and the pain and suffering that it causes me. We have a couple of good examples at work and, believe it or not, it is worse (MUCH WORSE) than Microsoft stuff. In fact, I would much rather go get a root canal done without any anesthetic than to use it.

I never had any problems with ME:confused:

After all this posting about OS and vintage computing I went into the basement and dusted off my old 286 laptop and plugged it in to top up the batteries and sparked it up... yep still boots up and works like a charm even though technology has orphaned it...;)

To whom it may concern,
When you think about my topic, you might want to think outside the box.
Exactly what is 'Thinking Outside the Box'?
Outside the Box
Thinking outside the box requires different attributes that include:
Willingness to take new perspectives to day-to-day work.
Openness to do different things and to do things differently.
Focusing on the value of finding new ideas and acting on them.
Striving to create value in new ways.
Listening to others.
Supporting and respecting others when they come up with new ideas.

Out-of-the box thinking requires an openness to new ways of seeing the world and a willingness to explore. Out-of-the box thinkers know that new ideas need nurturing and support. They also know that having an idea is good but acting on it is more important. Results are what count
http://www.canadaone.com/ezine/april02/out_of_the_box_thinking.html
Thank you,
Tim

To whom it may concern,
When you think about my topic, you might want to think outside the box.
Exactly what is 'Thinking Outside the Box'?
Outside the Box
Thinking outside the box requires different attributes that include:
Willingness to take new perspectives to day-to-day work.
Openness to do different things and to do things differently.
Focusing on the value of finding new ideas and acting on them.
Striving to create value in new ways.
Listening to others.
Supporting and respecting others when they come up with new ideas.

Out-of-the box thinking requires an openness to new ways of seeing the world and a willingness to explore. Out-of-the box thinkers know that new ideas need nurturing and support. They also know that having an idea is good but acting on it is more important. Results are what count

Tim

Mmmmm, impressive thinking, pushing back the boundaries etc etc. You're not a business consultant by any chance?

I never had any problems with ME:confused:

I've no problems with me either, but it doesn't stop other people moaning.

Brian

I've no problems with me either, but it doesn't stop other people moaning.

Brian

Brian you've got too much time on your hands :)

Brian you've got too much time on your hands :)

See what I mean :rolleyes: , and i've spent all morning dusting and vacuuming.

Brian

See what I mean :rolleyes: , and i've spent all morning dusting and vacuuming.

Brian

Well done. now you can treat yourself to a clean, new pinny!

Thankyou Barry, I'll do that. Shouldn't you be working?:D or are you also on a coffeee break?

Brian

To communicate with the future ??
this does seem a bit far fetched , if you can communicate with the future, then you will be altering it - example

if you turn left tomorrow you will be hit by a bus
so you turn right instead - now you ahven't been hit by a bus and you have altered the future or ..you never would of been hit by the bus .

if we assume that you have altered history - and I can kinda go along with this for a while - then how could the entity tell you about something that has not happened - and would that entity be changed because of your action in turning right (instead of left)

now we can argue that you are not allowed to tell people this (from the futre to the past) - but could you not tell someone something like this -

out actions today set our future tomorrow - any changes we make today will have an impact on the future -therefore any amendments after the fact will change the fact before its happend - a bit of gobbly Gook here -.

It just does not make sense .. (which is fine .. but a bit out there)

Science does not have all the answers to everything, but it is the only logical tool we can use at the moment - after science it them becomes a belief - an act of faith (again which might be right, I cannot discount anything, which includes this view being wrong/right - its trying to be objective with te beliefs and present attitiude that I have been brought up with .

as to out of the box thinking
I'd like to think that I can be objective and think outside of my own preset values.. but as long as the person asking me to think outside of this - can be objective and also think inside the box (or at least look at there view from inside and outside of th e box)
if they are trying to be objective and they only think outside of the box - then this isn't going to work

90% of the time things are inside of the box - I drive to work - I don't drive to work but try doing it fromt he rear seat - etc
driving to work means that I seat behind the steering wheel and etc ....

Thankyou Barry, I'll do that. Shouldn't you be working?:D or are you also on a coffeee break?

Brian

Life in local government is one long coffee break. At least that's what everyone outside of local government tells me.

Get back to work you lazy so'n so (only Kidding)
did you see the report that 25% of council tax goes on pensions -...
Need to sort this out - madness
surely now is the time to move local goverement worker to private pensions (and yes given them a decent salary as well) - but the local goverment workers can retire at 60 and only pay 6% into the pension pot .

this needs a good shake to see what can be done

g

Get back to work you lazy so'n so (only Kidding)
did you see the report that 25% of council tax goes on pensions -...
Need to sort this out - madness
surely now is the time to move local goverement worker to private pensions (and yes given them a decent salary as well) - but the local goverment workers can retire at 60 and only pay 6% into the pension pot .

this needs a good shake to see what can be done

g

Yes I saw the headlines, not sure how accurate this is though. I just wonder what proportion of the alleged 25% goes to first and second tier officers on very comfortable thankyou salaries because I can tell you I can't retire at 60 and not many of my colleagues can either. Take a look at the desultory pay rises we've had in the last few years.

I did wonder if Gary was after starting a civil war with Barry, but Barry is of course far too polite, nice to see you on the 'cooler again Barry.

brian

I did wonder if Gary was after starting a civil war with Barry, but Barry is of course far too polite, nice to see you on the 'cooler again Barry.

brian


Thanks Brian
I'm only here because I just couldn't resist a mild poke at the original poster and so far Rich & Col haven't derailed the thread (yet!:p )

wasn't one for picking a fight - just what was reported in the press.

as to pensions - these need sorting out full stop - not just LGA - everyones

went for a job interview the other day and they were only putting in 5% - cheapskates...


Hope Barry didn't take it as a pop at him

Thanks Brian
I'm only here because I just couldn't resist a mild poke at the original poster and so far Rich & Col haven't derailed the thread (yet!:p )

as if:rolleyes:

Col

Hope Barry didn't take it as a pop at him

None taken:)


as if:rolleyes:

Col

Of course, what was I thinking?;)

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Thank you,
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Dear Mr Vehram Please send me £100,000 by return and I promise to tell all my friends.

A Nuther-Crackpot Esq.

give me enough time and I could convinece people that the moons square ...
research bhah ...

if you want a report to say one thing then you can justify it - or lean on the results to get this .

g

I am actually the intergalactic ambassador from Venus and we'd like all Scientologists to be placed in a large rocket and sent back to us as the place is going to pot without their intelligent, considered influence. (Don't worry if you haven't got a rocket that will actually get to Venus as we will pull them in with our giant tractor beam currently being manufactured in China.)

ps Send the Vehram people as well, they seem like our kind of people.

Oh.. its from the fruit loops -
Scientologists - its strange that to get higher up in this organisation you ahve to be rich .. or is it just me

well it keeps em' out of trouble, and its not doing anyone else any harm - bit like train spotting ..
don't quite see the point of it but it keeps em occupied .

Gary I'm thinking of starting a sect based on the worship of orange peel and its mind expanding benifience. Sign up now and you can be my first acolyte. There's got to be money in it. We only need some rich tosser like Tom Cruise to finance it, maybe that bloke from Cold Cream with the wimpy voice married to Gwyneth wotsername would cough up a bob or two. What do you think?

Barry - How about starting a cult based on the worship of the Bass guitar and bass amp. You'd need to select a bass guitar as the leader or god, the other makes could be the disciples.

Col

Gary I'm thinking of starting a sect based on the worship of orange peel and its mind expanding benifience. Sign up now and you can be my first acolyte. There's got to be money in it. We only need some rich tosser like Tom Cruise to finance it, maybe that bloke from Cold Cream with the wimpy voice married to Gwyneth wotsername would cough up a bob or two. What do you think?

All Hail , His holiness Barry the Great , Voice of wisdom ,Glory to the orange peel, (and other exotic fruit)
we bow down to exhalted highness -.....
Nahh - cup of tea?

Gary I'm thinking of starting a sect based on the worship of orange peel and its mind expanding benifience.

Don't forget it also keeps bloody cats off the bedding plants!;)

Don't forget it also keeps bloody cats off the bedding plants!;)

Not my bloody cat . he loves it , and pepper dust -- when I pepper hte garden he runs into the cloud and sneezes - its a bit like snuff to him- not the brightest of cats(a bit like his owner..lol.)

g

Already my disciples are splitting into schisms! Woe is me. Mind you the Bass guitar idea has merit.

Sod it I'm back off to Venus, it's full summer there now. Sort it out yourselves.

Not my bloody cat . he loves it , and pepper dust -- when I pepper hte garden he runs into the cloud and sneezes - its a bit like snuff to him- not the brightest of cats(a bit like his owner..lol.)

g

But research carried out at the institute of paranoid studies by DrPissyKat have shown that pepper and orange peel can prevent the feline species from having out of body experiences in your neighbourhood:confused:
mind you, he is American;)

mind you, he is American;)

Rich desist. We got to 51 posts without upsetting our friends over the pond. We've got enough loonies of our own here. (David Iycke frinstance)

...starting a sect based on the worship of orange peel and its mind expanding benifience.

...can be my first acolyte.



We got to 51 posts without upsetting our friends over the pond.


Which side of the pond and why worship an orange peel acolyte ?
Guess I feel like a mushroom. :confused:

I thought he was from Venus -
and I think my cat is on a permanent out of body trance -
bloody thing only sleeps ,and eats (and snorts pepper dust- but he's not a regular user or anything like that, just a social snorter)

Guess I feel like a mushroom. :confused:

Mushroom? - always kept in the dark and have shit piled on you - that's called working for the NHS (National Health Service)

Col

Which side of the pond and why worship an orange peel acolyte ?
Guess I feel like a mushroom. :confused:

Infidel....
we only worship exotic fruit - no vegables (mushroom- vegable??)

We must find this infidel and hang them .. well a right good telling off at least (lol):D

Rich desist. We got to 51 posts without upsetting our friends over the pond.

But I only mentioned it in passing Barry, I mean I could have said something completly innocuous like "it's raining here" but then I'd be lying because it isn't, but then we've not had much rain here over the past two weeks:p :D

I understood that the acrolyte mushroom was recently discovered at Venus. Guess that's why Barry wants to move over there. :rolleyes:

http://www.rylindo.com/monster/monimg/carnivorous-mushroom2-.jpg

Infidels ---
other exotic fruit as long as they are of an orange persusaion
clementines, satsumas are allowed - accordeing to his most holiness , Barry the great - sniffer of orange peel..
but not kumqats as they are too small and may get lodge up ones nostril

Cheesh!

In my capacity as Grand Dragon of the Pimply Peel I haven't even made any pronouncements yet and already false prophets are re-interpreting what I haven't even said. Help my new religion is being hi-jacked! Help! Help! Oh then again, it is the watercooler.......;)

mushroom= fungi

mushroom= fungi

Not here on Venus..................

All Hail - his holiness has decending from above (venus) blessing to his most devote followers of the orange blossom , (and terrys chocolate orange)-listen for these words of wisdom- squeezed and pulped :eek:

mushroom -fungi

yeah I'll give you that one - but what about yeast ??

Not here on Venus..................

Is she in blue jeans?:confused:

All Hail - his holiness has decending from above (venus) blessing to his most devote followers of the orange blossom , (and terrys chocolate orange)-listen for these words of wisdom- squeezed and pulped :eek:


Yea and my words drip as the blessed juice of the immortal orangey globe, trespass not lest thou gettest squashed etc etc you write the rest I'm tired.....

Yea and my words drip as the blessed juice of the immortal orangey globe, trespass not lest thou gettest squashed etc etc you write the rest I'm tired.....

See his most holiness has granted me the right to be first diciple (disciple - aw.. bugger
my turn to make the tea -

my turn to make the tea -

I think you mean squash. Do penance by sending me large sums of money.

ahh your worshipfulness - its is of the orange type - sufused with mystic l orange peel - for that out of body expereince

Do penance by sending me large sums of money.

Help yourself
http://www.gamedaze.com/Board-Games/Monopoly/Monopoly-Accessories-Monopoly-Money-0700000035.jpg

Is she in blue jeans?:confused:

Now we are getting somewhere.

Brian

Is she in blue jeans?:confused:

No , it's a goddess on a mountain top ....;)

No , it's a goddess on a mountain top ....;)

Ye all strayeth from the path of orangeyness. I CAST DOWN ALL FALSE IDOLATERS

And Rich that money may be ok in Plymouth......

I CAST DOWN ALL FALSE IDOLATERS


Oh , but ....
Let our holiness now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on a bass: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from Venus is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well ... :p

[QUOTE=BarryMK;600935]Ye all strayeth from the path of orangeyness. QUOTE]


You just cant get a decent tan this weather.:)

Brian

To whom it may concern,

Thank you for all your input so far on this topic, and I hope to talk to you more about it when I get back from a vacation.

http://www.near-death.com/jokes.html

After a preacher died and went to heaven, he noticed that a New York cab driver had been awarded a higher place than he.

"I don't understand," he complained to God. "I devoted my entire life to my congregation."

"Our policy here in heaven is to reward results," God explained. "Now, was your congregation well attuned to you whenever you gave a sermon?"

"Well," the minister had to admit, "some in the congregation fell asleep from time to time."

"Exactly," said God, "and when people rode in this man's taxi, they not only stayed wake, they even prayed."

Thank you,
Tim

To whom it may concern,

Thank you for all your input so far on this topic, and I hope to talk to you more about it when I get back from a vacation.

Tim

Don't waste your time pal, our new religion is set to sweep the world. It can't fail, it's founded on hearsay, myths and mumbo jumbo and will be maintained through brainwashing children from birth. Ring any bells?:rolleyes:

Don't waste your time pal, our new religion is set to sweep the world. It can't fail, it's founded on hearsay, myths and mumbo jumbo and will be maintained through brainwashing children from birth. Ring any bells?:rolleyes:

Is there a book out yet on the subject that we can peruse whilst sat on the loo?:D

Why have you run out of Andrex?

Why have you run out of Andrex?

Yes, but the print comes off the pages, oops, we'd better not go there:D

Yes, but the print comes off the pages, oops, we'd better not go there:D


I'm sending you a special laminated copy, use and use again!:D

Yes, but the print comes off the pages, oops, we'd better not go there:D

Delete - it'll offend some members. This is a USA forum now remember?

Col

I'm sending you a special laminated copy, use and use again!:D

I'd rather use my fingers:eek: :D

For playing the bass? I'm 50% pleccy myself.........:p

Delete - it'll offend some members. Col

But I haven't used the A word:confused:

For playing the bass? I'm 50% pleccy myself.........:p

I need to use both hands:cool:

But I haven't used the A word:confused:

No hi-jacking allowed boys, I've already stolen this thread from its rightfull owner who appears to still think his input is relevant............

I cast him down as an apostate and irredeemable infidel.

I need to use both hands:cool:


You'll find it plays better if you keep both hands wide apart.:rolleyes:

Oops duty calls, the dreaded management team meeting beckons, even for an established God and generally religious figurehead such as myself.

This persons reply is one of the many reasons, why I feel this topic is so important.

"I understand. I even took the time to understand because I wanted to. It is certainly in my best interest to understand because if I find myself dead and still thinking I want to know what my options are."

It never hurts to have a back up plan.

Please take the time to find out more about this topic.

Thank you,
Tim

Timmy,

What about a Backup plan for THIS life?

Wayne

Dear Wayne,

Please feel free to explain.

Thank you,
Tim

To whom it may concern,

The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities, now has it's own web site and forum.

http://www.freewebs.com/tim4848/

Please take the time to check it out and tell me what you think.

Thank you,
Tim

I hate getting baited.

Tim, when you first posted:


Rich, Bob, Ray,

Thanks for hijacking this thread. I've read Timmy's rants on other forums,
I'd rather hear about ineffectual software combinations.

btw, Can you PROVE they're ineffectual (not you Timmy, I know that).

W


In retrospect, it seems a little harsh, but I did a LOT of reading after your
initial post here. None of it made any sense in a spiritual, intellectual,
scientific (or wahatever) manner.

The devices, and even the "test" itself were not mutually agreeable.

Whatever --> your post about "I find myself dead and still thinking"

I'm up to my eyeballs in "real world" activity and don't have any time for
this.

Anyway, just happy to keep your thread "alive".

W

because if I find myself dead and still thinking I want to know what my options are."



Thank you,
Tim

If you're still thinking then you're not gonna be dead.....

If you're still thinking then you're not gonna be dead.....

Science saids that energy can't be made, or destroyed, it can only change form.

So you are right, you are never going to be dead, so why not spend a little bit of mind mapping and see if there is a Murphy Law chance that it could be possible, just like out of body people like me thinks.

Please feel free to mind map your thoughts with me anytime.

Thank you,
Tim

Science saids that energy can't be made, or destroyed, it can only change form.

Tim

How do you think the Sun survives? and even that will eventually die out

How do you think the Sun survives? and even that will eventually die out

Energy spreads out, it never goes out.

All the energy that the sun has ever made is in that space, is still going to be there, just spread out in layers of time and space, and time can be measured.

Out of Body Afterlife people would have no problem's living in this type of environment.


Introvert reality world everyday, seeing, thinking and dreaming


It takes a lot of energy to make a human work, but it don't take a lot for an after life to survive either.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim



Thank you,
Tim

Tim, what are you actually trying to say behind all those flowery words? Try putting it in English, son.

Are you trying to 'convert' people to your way of thinking?

People can believe whatever they like - some believe in fairy tales written in a book called the bible and abuse children in the process ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6900129.stm)

Others believe the USA is a fabulous country. (the fairy tales seems a better bet though);) :cool:

You believe what you want - why drone on about it here?

Col

To whom it may concern,

This topic is averaging 10,000 views a month, what are you doing on my topic telling me what I should do?

Thank you,
Tim

in response to energy cannot be destroy only changed - this is correct
but you seem to miss some basics , as the Body dies to reverts back to compost, and feeds the planet , the brains energy is just a by product of the Body , its a bit like saying I have turned on a light (torch) I have created light and if I switch it off the light will carry on , fraid not the light is a product of the energy stored in a battery - this does not mean there is no after life, but it doesn't mean there is either

At the end of the day we are all worm food or carbon 12.... (stardust)

Its fine to have an alternative view, and you may be correct, but you may also be wrong - this is called faith - If you know that a relgion is true and everything in it is 100% correct then there is no room for doubt - which goes against all relgions , they ask you to accept that they are correct and everyone else is wrong , as far as I am aware only a very few know what actual happens

The govenor JC. Mohammed - as he had instructions from the mangement(*although there maybe a chance that he copied one or two of these wrong )

The Dahi Lama(Hope I spelt this right) after this we are all guessing
and these 3 I have mentioned could of been high on drugs for all we know.. and we are relying on text that is at best dodgey (christian text anyway) and open to interupetation (typo) - when the next coming happens , someone should tape his/her every word , even then people will miss quote phrases.


Science does not have the answers to everything , but it is impartical and relies on physical laws - and as such is measurable - do we know al of the science on everything not by half ...

Your posts seem to be done with the best intentions , but you seem to get a bit jumpy when you are dismissed as a bit of a fruit cake --
you you check on some of the psots about Mohammed , the poster there also got some flack, but took it on the chin - explained what he was doing and was recepetive to comments - (They ignored them if they were a bit agressive) - and most people who responded wished Him(I think it was a man) all the best , even though they probably though he was a fruit loop
he accepted there wishes gracefully - this might of been because he was a Brit - where religion,polictics re more intertwined with other views (this is not me having a poke at the Yanks) - this is the problem with 2 party polictic , the UK has 3 major parties with a hand fully of independenet parties


I ramble

Energy spreads out, it never goes out.

All the energy that the sun has ever made is in that space, is still going to be there, just spread out in layers of time and space, and time can be measured.

Tim

So, like the suns energy you're gonna end up lost in space?

To whom it may concern,

This topic is averaging 10,000 views a month, what are you doing on my topic telling me what I should do?

Thank you,
Tim

Mmm 10,000 divided by apr. 6.5 billion, that's not a very high percentage, is it?:rolleyes:

Mmm 10,000 divided by apr. 6.5 billion, that's not a very high percentage, is it?:rolleyes:


I've no doubt it only increased to 10,000 since I used this thread to start my new religion. Mmm all those converts, all that cash......:D

To whom it may concern,

This topic is averaging 10,000 views a month, what are you doing on my topic telling me what I should do?

Thank you,
Tim
whats this "to whom it may concern"? if you're addressing me, then kindly use my name, thats why I post it.
It's not 'your' topic, it's in a general forum, you were the one who started it, you don't own it, and I'll tell you whatever I like thank you.

Why not try answering my questions - or are your scientific feelings telling you not to.

Col

I can exclusively reveal that Tim Brewer is a figment of my warped imagination. These things sometimes leak out on to the astral plane and can be very hard to remove. Please accept my apologies

If my blasted dog's energy survives, scrambled (wave to Rabbie) and recomposed in some sort of spiritual mixture, I want nothing to do with any of this.

If my blasted dog's energy survives, scrambled (wave to Rabbie) and recomposed in some sort of spiritual mixture, I want nothing to do with any of this.

Follow me - with my religion the future, astral or physical is anything you want it to be. Rejoice! you can have your cake and eat it.:p

If my blasted dog's energy survives, scrambled (wave to Rabbie) and recomposed in some sort of spiritual mixture, I want nothing to do with any of this.

What if you're barking up the wrong tree though?:confused:

That would be RRRRough

in response to energy cannot be destroy only changed - this is correct
but you seem to miss some basics , as the Body dies to reverts back to compost, and feeds the planet , the brains energy is just a by product of the Body , its a bit like saying I have turned on a light (torch) I have created light and if I switch it off the light will carry on , fraid not the light is a product of the energy stored in a battery - this does not mean there is no after life, but it doesn't mean there is either

The body is a bi-product, just like watching your toe nails grow
The core of your thoughts lies in the bi-product.
We live in energy, and that constant will never change.

Turning on or off the light is just controlling the flow of energy, and light is just a bi-product of that energy.

At the end of the day we are all worm food or carbon 12.... (stardust)

That is an assumption at this point


Its fine to have an alternative view, and you may be correct, but you may also be wrong - this is called faith - If you know that a relgion is true and everything in it is 100% correct then there is no room for doubt - which goes against all relgions , they ask you to accept that they are correct and everyone else is wrong , as far as I am aware only a very few know what actual happens

I am not saying that I am right or that I am wrong at this point, but what would it hurt to explore our options a little better?

I once had an out of body experience, as so many other people have had, and it was not a dream. My thought is this; what if out of body experiences is nothing more than a sneak preview of things to come, just like wet dreams were at that point in our lives?

This topic comes before religion, and nobody else is focused on it. BrainGate was just made in 2005, so that is probably normal anyway.

I know you are very smart, and you know when you are being played.
This is not one of those times. It's just paradigm thinking and talking about it.

The govenor JC. Mohammed - as he had instructions from the mangement(*although there maybe a chance that he copied one or two of these wrong )

The Dahi Lama(Hope I spelt this right) after this we are all guessing
and these 3 I have mentioned could of been high on drugs for all we know.. and we are relying on text that is at best dodgey (christian text anyway) and open to interupetation (typo) - when the next coming happens , someone should tape his/her every word , even then people will miss quote phrases.

All we can do is the best we can with what we have to work with


Science does not have the answers to everything , but it is impartical and relies on physical laws - and as such is measurable - do we know al of the science on everything not by half ...

Your posts seem to be done with the best intentions , but you seem to get a bit jumpy when you are dismissed as a bit of a fruit cake --

I'm trying to do the best I can with what I have to work.

you you check on some of the psots about Mohammed , the poster there also got some flack, but took it on the chin - explained what he was doing and was recepetive to comments - (They ignored them if they were a bit agressive) - and most people who responded wished Him(I think it was a man) all the best , even though they probably though he was a fruit loop
he accepted there wishes gracefully - this might of been because he was a Brit - where religion,polictics re more intertwined with other views (this is not me having a poke at the Yanks) - this is the problem with 2 party polictic , the UK has 3 major parties with a hand fully of independenet parties

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and this topic will be no different.


I ramble

So do I,

Tim

So, like the suns energy you're gonna end up lost in space?

You will only be lost, if you do not have a plan.

Thank you,
Tim

Mmm 10,000 divided by apr. 6.5 billion, that's not a very high percentage, is it?:rolleyes:

I'm a introvert by nature, so one is high for me.

Thank you,
Tim

You will only be lost, if you do not have a plan.

Thank you,
Tim

You're seriously suggesting that this energy can somehow be directed to something like another planet?:confused:

I've no doubt it only increased to 10,000 since I used this thread to start my new religion. Mmm all those converts, all that cash......:D

This topic has nothing to do with religion and my wife does the bills, so your debit and credit card is safe. I have no plans of passing out cool-laid or anything weird like that. You don't have to join anything, all you have to
do is help me find the truth of this topic if you want.

Thank you,
Tim

Tim, I knew you'd ignore my questions - you have to be a Yank

Col

me find the truth of this topic if you want.

Thank you,
Tim

The truth's simple my friend, it's a load of bollox:eek:

whats this "to whom it may concern"? if you're addressing me, then kindly use my name, thats why I post it.
It's not 'your' topic, it's in a general forum, you were the one who started it, you don't own it, and I'll tell you whatever I like thank you.

You are more than welcomed to finish my topic it you would like, I would have no problem with that if you do it right. Just make sure it is a good deal for all parties involved.

Why not try answering my questions - or are your scientific feelings telling you not to.

and what question might that be?

Col

Thank you,
Tim

I can exclusively reveal that Tim Brewer is a figment of my warped imagination. These things sometimes leak out on to the astral plane and can be very hard to remove. Please accept my apologies

I like people like you who can see outside the box and then take responsibility for it.

Thank you,
Tim

If my blasted dog's energy survives, scrambled (wave to Rabbie) and recomposed in some sort of spiritual mixture, I want nothing to do with any of this.

There is nothing wrong with having your own little comfort zone.

Thank you,
Tim

Follow me - with my religion the future, astral or physical is anything you want it to be. Rejoice! you can have your cake and eat it.:p

I don't even like fruit cake, I'm a chocolate pie kind of guy.

Thank you,
Tim

What if you're barking up the wrong tree though?:confused:

Mark that tree and move on to the next one.

Thank you,
Tim

You're seriously suggesting that this energy can somehow be directed to something like another planet?:confused:

It happens everyday and it all takes it's allotted amount of time.

Thank you,
Tim

The truth's simple my friend, it's a load of bollox:eek:

I felt the same way you did before I had my out of body experience, but after analyzing the topic more closely, I am willing to eat fruit cake.

Thank you,
Tim

To whom it may concern,

Re:The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibility
« Reply #55 on: Today at 08:55:53am »

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"I understand. I even took the time to understand because I wanted to. It is certainly in my best interest to understand because if I find myself dead and still thinking I want to know what my options are."
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Thank you Tim, i liked it. Really cheered me up today.

You know I had been very ill the year before and DEath has always been my greatest Fear, not because of the pain of going through it, but because i dont know whats on the other side waiting for me after i die, its hard to accept what Catholic says about it: one dies and sleeps endlessly until Judgement Day. And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory. And i dont want someone else to die and not know what may happen to his spirit. And yes, this may sound crazy, but im one who is also about to try almost anything just to get to the side, life is short, time is pressing... time is running...

and no, it doesnt hurt to have a back up plan :)

goodluck Tim!
your site looks so cool


Thank you,
Tim

There is nothing wrong with having your own little comfort zone.

Thank you,
Tim

Or your own little Twilight Zone.

Respectfully Submitted,
Tim

I think Rich summed it up quite well in his own eloquent style

The truth's simple my friend, it's a load of bollox

You need to get out more TimmyBabe - I'll bet the evenings just fly by in your house:rolleyes:

My questions you ignored are under my posts. You are American so as predicted, it's no surprise you ignored them.

Col

I think Rich summed it up quite well in his own eloquent style



You need to get out more TimmyBabe - I'll bet the evenings just fly by in your house:rolleyes:

Col

He's directing his energy in the wrong direction:eek:

its ok , he's a harmless fruit loop - does not promote any type danger to himself or others
compare to others that kinda makes him sane .


g

Thank you Tim, i liked it. Really cheered me up today.

You know I had been very ill the year before and DEath has always been my greatest Fear, not because of the pain of going through it, but because i dont know whats on the other side waiting for me after i die, its hard to accept what Catholic says about it: one dies and sleeps endlessly until Judgement Day. And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory. And i dont want someone else to die and not know what may happen to his spirit. And yes, this may sound crazy, but im one who is also about to try almost anything just to get to the side, life is short, time is pressing... time is running...

copy the text from a post - whoa.... Thats not a Catholic/Christian view- that view has been redundant for many years -
Catholic/Christian view - you die - you go to heaven or hell (catholic) - Cof E you die you go to heaven or nothing

However there is room here for reincarnation - which has not been excluded by the Bible nor denoced (typo) by the Churches...

Death should not be feared it is a natural process - ok none of us want to speed this up , but as long as its painless - embrace it as part of nature


I think that the post you got that I have quoted - was from someone who is /was depressed and brought up with an old view of the Catholic/Christian church

I deviate fromt he subject ...g

And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory.
Gary - the truth is that no-one knows for sure what happens after death, no matter what people say. There are many speculations based on various religions, some people have faith in what they believe is actually true.

But, think about it, no-one knows for absolute sure what happens when we die. If there is a religion - how do you know which one is the right one? Hindu? Muslim? Christianity? etc. the choice is immense.

Bit of a sod to find that Hindu was the correct one when you may be a christian all your life.

People who believe in a theory, whether scientific or spiritual will always be passionate about it - they can convince people black is white if necessary, they are smooth talkers, use long words etc., thats how evangelists make multi-million dollar fortunes in the USA, Americans are so gullible, comparitively thats why evangelists have a rough time in the UK - we are so sceptical and mistrusting, especially of American 'preachers'.

It boils down to

1) choosing a faith if you need some spiritual or scientific reassurance - then you hope that you've chosen the right one

2) you choose nothing, live your life as best you morally can and see what happens when you die

End of

Col

Tell me about it -
and i agree with your comments

regards

Tell me about it -
and i agree with your comments

regards

Maybe if old Timbo could put his thought in plain English we'd have a better chance of knowing what the hell he's on about

Col

Maybe if old Timbo could put his thought in plain English we'd have a better chance of knowing what the hell he's on about

Col

Old Timbo has been working on that and is getting closer everyday, but everything worth anything takes it's allotted amount of time.

Nobody told me that my thoughts would be so important later in life, or I would of paid more attention in English class.

Thank you,
Tim

To whom it may concern,
From Transformer,
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P260/
As someone who has just read through this thread from start to finish in one sitting, I must say:
My understanding of your theory thus far:- You have had a left brain SOBE.
- You want to prove that the possibility of having a left brain SOBE means that human thought can exist outside the human body.
- This includes that human consciousness or thought can exist post-death.
- You believe that the Brain Gate machine offers a new potential way to test this.
- You have also developed a simpler method to test this which relies on a touch sensor, and a light.
- Based on your personal experience, you have come up with needed additional equipment to bypass what you see as obstacles (not being able to hear, not being able to read things which aren’t large and easy to read).
- You have posted your theory in the same manner as you have here in multiple forums.
- You believe that for someone to successfully communicate with the physical world we all know when they are not in their body, they need to believe in the possibility, and train to do it, during their physical life.
- You are not easily deterred from your goal, truly believe in your idea, and believe that if it can be proven in a mathematical theory, the results will benefit all of mankind.
Your communication skills are good in the sense that you can write coherently and eloquently, however you seem to be having problems putting your thoughts into a format that others can understand.This is something that I deal with every day working in the training field. Preparing training materials is essentially finding a way to tell someone how to do something, however the key to doing it successfully is to do it in a way that your target audience can understand and identify with. I have worked with many extremely intelligent and knowledgeable professionals who exhibit the same issue that I see with you; you understand your theory and what you are trying to prove, but fail to translate it into terms and concepts that can be clearly understood by all. You tend to over-elaborate details and advanced concepts related to your theory, when the basic concepts remain to be understood by the audience.
In simple terms, you are failing to “dumb down” the information you are presenting, so that people can understand your basic concepts and ideas before you go onto discussing the advanced, or still uncertain parts of your idea. If my synopsis above is a good basic definition of what you have been trying to communicate all along, please feel free to use it moving forward. You should also consider how your explanations and posts compare to the synopsis I have provided and see if you can envision a way to “translate” you thoughts into similar statements moving forward.
1) Present your overall hypothesis. Keep it simple and easy to understand. Present it in terms familiar to those who you want to inform.
Example: Your title for the thread has a “fantastic” feel to it and leads to disbelief from the start. “Proving that human consciousness can exist outside the body” would be much simpler and to the point, and people would understand what you want to get across right from the start. This sets the tone for you to then explain in detail what you believe and how you wish to prove it. I understand that for you, this started with an SOBE, but your theory goes beyond that and the SOBE was simply a “eye opening experience”.
2) Present your goal. Right from the start, let people know what exactly you want to prove.
3) Present the “tools” you will use to test your theory. Explain what each tool will do, and why clearly and concisely.
4) Explain what led you to come up with your hypothesis. A personal experience is a fine way of coming up with a theory or idea (think Newton and the apple, even if it didn’t really happen great ideas really do start in similar ways) but it shouldn’t be the primary focus of your entire communication.
5) Present any open questions you have, or alternate possibilities you may have thought of. Once you have done the first four things, people will be ready to receive this information in the right context. This would include eventual results you might expect as a result of proving your goal.
6) Present what you need to continue testing and working on your theory. If you are requesting assistance, detail what that entails. One of your posts mentioned great cost associated, this may scare people off. I now have the impression that anyone can help you test your theory at a basic level using a touch sensor, a light or buzzer and a large-screen TV, along with a clear understanding of what your methodology for testing is. This simple setup is definitely something people may be interested in testing, mention the Brain Gate as another “optimal” test you can see, but don’t focus so much on it as it is clearly a lofty goal.Again, this is just a suggestion, but hopefully you will see the value. I think you have some interesting ideas and they just need to be presented in a different manner to get a different reaction. You still won’t get everybody on your side, but you’ll more likely get some curious and interested parties.
Please don’t get me wrong Tim, I’m not saying you’re a genius (although you could very well be) and I’m not saying you’re completely blinded and wrong. What I am saying is that you are indeed failing to accept some very real possibilities when it comes to your theory.
Basic fact is that as others have stated, it is COMPLETELY POSSIBLE that your SOBE experience was more of a dream-like state. People CAN be influenced while dreaming, this is proven. People CAN think they are awake while dreaming, this is also proven. The truth is that despite your belief that you had a true and pure SOBE, it is entirely possible that you didn’t and were dreaming. You are convinced that it was an SOBE, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was beyond the shadow of a doubt.
It was not a dream, it was reality.
That said, there is nothing wrong with you truly believing that this was an SOBE, and the theory that you have come up with as a result of it could very well prove true. As long as you insist that is absolutely was an SOBE beyond the shadow of a doubt and that “nobody can understand”, however you will fail to interest anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBEs. If you can’t interest these people, then you will never be able to prove your theory for a theory proven only by people who already believed it to be true, will hold very little value to the scientific community. It will also prevent you from enlisting the help of people who could help you to prove (or disprove) your theory in the long run.
It could, if it was treated like a customer service issue.
Example: If one person gets sick eating at a restaurant, nobody really takes the time to care, and it is considered an isolated situation, maybe they were already sick from something else, but if more than one gets sick at the same time, at the same restaurant, it is considered an epidemic, and action should take place to fix the problem. We are dealing with thousand of people who have had the same experience as I, so that would make it a epidemic. We all do not need to get sick to know that there is a problem.
This is what happened and I am pretty sure it’s exactly what happened and it was real, BUT I can’t be 100% certain until it is proven.”
Now take this theory that you have which resulted from an experience while you are still alive, and expand it to that it can happen post-death.
I would say first prove an SOBE can happen when someone is alive, focus on this as it is the heart of your theory and your personal experience. Once this is proven, then you can make the next step and say that if someone can exist outside their body, they can potentially exist as energy once they die in the same way. .
You’ve covered a lot of bases (testing different sensors, etc.) but you just need to present it properly, and define an order to your theory.
Presenting it as one big jumble of misaligned pieces just isn’t going to cut it if you truly want to see this worked on, or looked at by anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBE thus isn’t already biased.
Also, please read what people write carefully. It is painful to see you misinterpret sarcasm and people poking fun at you as people trying to help you. Perhaps their sarcasm and poking is indeed helping you to further develop your theory on your own, but it is important to realize whether it was their intention or not. Otherwise you will find yourself wasting a lot of energy writing to them.
All right, that’s it. Hopefully this will help you to present your theory moving forward in a way people will be more willing to accept. I personally think your experiments sound interesting and would like to see them actually happen so that we can see what the results are.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to work within the scientific methodology and ensure that you do not set the results before the experiment takes place. You also need to take each step of your theory one at a time and prove it individually.
Thank you Transformer,
from Tim

To whom it may concern,
From Transformer,
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P260/
As someone who has just read through this thread from start to finish in one sitting, I must say:
My understanding of your theory thus far:- You have had a left brain SOBE.
- You want to prove that the possibility of having a left brain SOBE means that human thought can exist outside the human body.
- This includes that human consciousness or thought can exist post-death.
- You believe that the Brain Gate machine offers a new potential way to test this.
- You have also developed a simpler method to test this which relies on a touch sensor, and a light.
- Based on your personal experience, you have come up with needed additional equipment to bypass what you see as obstacles (not being able to hear, not being able to read things which aren’t large and easy to read).
- You have posted your theory in the same manner as you have here in multiple forums.
- You believe that for someone to successfully communicate with the physical world we all know when they are not in their body, they need to believe in the possibility, and train to do it, during their physical life.
- You are not easily deterred from your goal, truly believe in your idea, and believe that if it can be proven in a mathematical theory, the results will benefit all of mankind.
Your communication skills are good in the sense that you can write coherently and eloquently, however you seem to be having problems putting your thoughts into a format that others can understand.This is something that I deal with every day working in the training field. Preparing training materials is essentially finding a way to tell someone how to do something, however the key to doing it successfully is to do it in a way that your target audience can understand and identify with. I have worked with many extremely intelligent and knowledgeable professionals who exhibit the same issue that I see with you; you understand your theory and what you are trying to prove, but fail to translate it into terms and concepts that can be clearly understood by all. You tend to over-elaborate details and advanced concepts related to your theory, when the basic concepts remain to be understood by the audience.
In simple terms, you are failing to “dumb down” the information you are presenting, so that people can understand your basic concepts and ideas before you go onto discussing the advanced, or still uncertain parts of your idea. If my synopsis above is a good basic definition of what you have been trying to communicate all along, please feel free to use it moving forward. You should also consider how your explanations and posts compare to the synopsis I have provided and see if you can envision a way to “translate” you thoughts into similar statements moving forward.
1) Present your overall hypothesis. Keep it simple and easy to understand. Present it in terms familiar to those who you want to inform.
Example: Your title for the thread has a “fantastic” feel to it and leads to disbelief from the start. “Proving that human consciousness can exist outside the body” would be much simpler and to the point, and people would understand what you want to get across right from the start. This sets the tone for you to then explain in detail what you believe and how you wish to prove it. I understand that for you, this started with an SOBE, but your theory goes beyond that and the SOBE was simply a “eye opening experience”.
2) Present your goal. Right from the start, let people know what exactly you want to prove.
3) Present the “tools” you will use to test your theory. Explain what each tool will do, and why clearly and concisely.
4) Explain what led you to come up with your hypothesis. A personal experience is a fine way of coming up with a theory or idea (think Newton and the apple, even if it didn’t really happen great ideas really do start in similar ways) but it shouldn’t be the primary focus of your entire communication.
5) Present any open questions you have, or alternate possibilities you may have thought of. Once you have done the first four things, people will be ready to receive this information in the right context. This would include eventual results you might expect as a result of proving your goal.
6) Present what you need to continue testing and working on your theory. If you are requesting assistance, detail what that entails. One of your posts mentioned great cost associated, this may scare people off. I now have the impression that anyone can help you test your theory at a basic level using a touch sensor, a light or buzzer and a large-screen TV, along with a clear understanding of what your methodology for testing is. This simple setup is definitely something people may be interested in testing, mention the Brain Gate as another “optimal” test you can see, but don’t focus so much on it as it is clearly a lofty goal.Again, this is just a suggestion, but hopefully you will see the value. I think you have some interesting ideas and they just need to be presented in a different manner to get a different reaction. You still won’t get everybody on your side, but you’ll more likely get some curious and interested parties.
Please don’t get me wrong Tim, I’m not saying you’re a genius (although you could very well be) and I’m not saying you’re completely blinded and wrong. What I am saying is that you are indeed failing to accept some very real possibilities when it comes to your theory.
Basic fact is that as others have stated, it is COMPLETELY POSSIBLE that your SOBE experience was more of a dream-like state. People CAN be influenced while dreaming, this is proven. People CAN think they are awake while dreaming, this is also proven. The truth is that despite your belief that you had a true and pure SOBE, it is entirely possible that you didn’t and were dreaming. You are convinced that it was an SOBE, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was beyond the shadow of a doubt.
It was not a dream, it was reality.
That said, there is nothing wrong with you truly believing that this was an SOBE, and the theory that you have come up with as a result of it could very well prove true. As long as you insist that is absolutely was an SOBE beyond the shadow of a doubt and that “nobody can understand”, however you will fail to interest anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBEs. If you can’t interest these people, then you will never be able to prove your theory for a theory proven only by people who already believed it to be true, will hold very little value to the scientific community. It will also prevent you from enlisting the help of people who could help you to prove (or disprove) your theory in the long run.
It could, if it was treated like a customer service issue.
Example: If one person gets sick eating at a restaurant, nobody really takes the time to care, and it is considered an isolated situation, maybe they were already sick from something else, but if more than one gets sick at the same time, at the same restaurant, it is considered an epidemic, and action should take place to fix the problem. We are dealing with thousand of people who have had the same experience as I, so that would make it a epidemic. We all do not need to get sick to know that there is a problem.
This is what happened and I am pretty sure it’s exactly what happened and it was real, BUT I can’t be 100% certain until it is proven.”
Now take this theory that you have which resulted from an experience while you are still alive, and expand it to that it can happen post-death.
I would say first prove an SOBE can happen when someone is alive, focus on this as it is the heart of your theory and your personal experience. Once this is proven, then you can make the next step and say that if someone can exist outside their body, they can potentially exist as energy once they die in the same way. .
You’ve covered a lot of bases (testing different sensors, etc.) but you just need to present it properly, and define an order to your theory.
Presenting it as one big jumble of misaligned pieces just isn’t going to cut it if you truly want to see this worked on, or looked at by anyone who doesn’t already believe in SOBE thus isn’t already biased.
Also, please read what people write carefully. It is painful to see you misinterpret sarcasm and people poking fun at you as people trying to help you. Perhaps their sarcasm and poking is indeed helping you to further develop your theory on your own, but it is important to realize whether it was their intention or not. Otherwise you will find yourself wasting a lot of energy writing to them.
All right, that’s it. Hopefully this will help you to present your theory moving forward in a way people will be more willing to accept. I personally think your experiments sound interesting and would like to see them actually happen so that we can see what the results are.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to work within the scientific methodology and ensure that you do not set the results before the experiment takes place. You also need to take each step of your theory one at a time and prove it individually.
Thank you Transformer,
from Tim

Good job Transformer, trying to explain it back then, but now there is more!!!!!

Would you like to hear about it?

Oh please - this thread was dead for a year and a half and you have to go resurrect it? Can't you just go away and play somewhere else?

Oh please - this thread was dead for a year and a half and you have to go resurrect it? Can't you just go away and play somewhere else?

That's one way to look at it, but it would be the wrong way, unless you have figured out a way, to prove me wrong.

Did you do that?

I gave you plenty of time, don't you think?

Now, I on the other hand, sure do have a lot more to add, and since it is my topic. seams like a good place to do that.

For those out there who feel they know it all, please fill free to inform me, why my idea will not work.

If by chance, you are so focus on this positive possibility, to the point that you are so burn out, that you can take it any more, then please fill free not to view this topic.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of yours.

Tim Brewer

Tim,

In about 5 lines of your own words, what is this about and what will it do for me.

Tim,

In about 5 lines of your own words, what is this about and what will it do for me.

A free way to communicate, from an out of body afterlife situation. Just in case your afterlife option don't work.

Tim:
Have you noticed the number of times you have responded to your own posts?

If you wish to talk to yourself, you can do it in front of a mirror. No need to involve the rest of us.

Tim,

"A free way to communicate"

Well, the Net is almost free.

But you do have to exchange some "meaningful" ideas. Mikey didn't ask for too much.

Respectfully,
Wayne

Tim,

Also, Mike has been doing some very good work here lately.

Don't sidetrack him unless it's VERY IMPORTANT.

Bob, Sorry about the large font ... knew you'd understand.

Wayne

Bob, Sorry about the large font ... knew you'd understand.


:D LOL :D
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Would not want to distract anybody, if their "A" Bucket List is better than mine, but even if it is not, they don't have to view this topic, if they don't want too!

Not having been here when this topic was fresh and new...

What is this about, Tim? Am I right in thinking you're claiming to be able to conclusively demonstrate that human consciousness is independent of the body?

Not having been here when this topic was fresh and new...

What is this about, Tim? Am I right in thinking you're claiming to be able to conclusively demonstrate that human consciousness is independent of the body?

Yes, and ask Patrick Swayze(Ghost movie), if he would be interested, in being the first person to try this experiment.

I would be using a machine called BrainGate,

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Ok Tim if you can do what you claim there is $1,000,000 waiting for you to claim it.

Visit http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

for the details. If you can do what you claim the money is yours, but please don't come back until you have the cash.

Yes, and ask Patrick Swayze(Ghost movie), if he would be interested, in being the first person to try this experiment.

I would be using a machine called BrainGate,

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Now, I may be as thick as a whale omelette, but surely if your assertion is that the consciouness is floating around separate from the body, measuring this by attaching a device to the body isn't going to be the way to detect it, is it?

E.T. phone home

Now, I may be as thick as a whale omelette, but surely if your assertion is that the consciouness is floating around separate from the body, measuring this by attaching a device to the body isn't going to be the way to detect it, is it?


Well it's obvious, he connects his machine to the cables connecting the body to its consciousness. Duh! :rolleyes:

So it's not available with a WiFi option, then?:(


I heard it might be in 802.11n 3.0 draft

So it's not available with a WiFi option, then?:(
I was hoping to just get the coffin kitted out with Bluetooth, as opposed to running cables down to it.

Guess you mean this : :rolleyes::p


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So it's not available with a WiFi option, then?:(
I was hoping to just get the coffin kitted out with Bluetooth, as opposed to running cables down to it.

Actually there seems to be an Iphone coffin :D


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Ok Tim if you can do what you claim there is $1,000,000 waiting for you to claim it.

Visit http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

for the details. If you can do what you claim the money is yours, but please don't come back until you have the cash.

Your right chergh,

I am already qualified for it, except I need media attention.

I am also giving the potential money away.

Would you like to know more about that?

Now, I may be as thick as a whale omelette, but surely if your assertion is that the consciouness is floating around separate from the body, measuring this by attaching a device to the body isn't going to be the way to detect it, is it?

The goal is not to attach a device to a human, but to allow the consciouness, a chance to go to the device.

BrainGate measures friction of thought, and it don't care how it gets that information.

E.T. phone home


Your right boblarson,

This option, is actually easier that the one E.T. had.

Our Goal: No afterlife left behind!

A free afterlife communication option.

All it takes is one success, and then build off of that.

So if you're dead and using it, what holds you up?
Are there clamps inside that latch onto your head?
This modern technology is beyond me.:confused:

The holy grail of anti-matter!

Your internal energy can not be destroyed, it can only change location, and form, based on what you are focused on, and all you need to do, is lean into the sensor above you, as you watch a big screen monitor, as you do the same thing, the Braingate patients are doing now.

Will we see you, while you are doing this?

No, just like we can not see what you are focused on now, except in the results you provide, with what you have to work with.

If air was just air, I would not have a wing ans a prayer with this option, but that is not th case.

Science don't have to know the hay stack of space, and what all is in it, they just have to do there part, to allow the needle, the chance to come to their haystack, and you can only do that, by having trained options, focused on this option.

This certainly is an odd thread.

You guys might like to hear about an experiment I heard of recently. A camera was strapped to the head of a mannequin. A video screen was strapped to the head of the subject. After a while, the subject would react as if the body of the mannequin where his own. So if a knife was pointed at the mannequin, the subject would try to back away. To me, this implies that consciencess is a matter of perception.

I just played me some pool.

Not out of body, but ...

I give upl

Welcome home Tim.

Wayne

I just played me some pool.

Not out of body, but ...

I give upl

Welcome home Tim.

Wayne

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Thank you Wayne, and it is good to be back!

Tim,

How is the crusade going?

Are you having:

1) Less success than you hoped for

2) The success you expected or

3) More success than you expected

Tim,

How is the crusade going?

Are you having:

1) Less success than you hoped for

2) The success you expected or

3) More success than you expected

Would that be actual success or perceived success?:confused:

The goal is not to attach a device to a human, but to allow the consciouness, a chance to go to the device.

BrainGate measures friction of thought, and it don't care how it gets that information.

Are you sure you even care whether it gets that information. or just makes it up?

I've now read this thread from start to finish and looked at your website. I still don't really know what you're talking about.

I can exclusively reveal that Tim Brewer is a figment of my warped imagination. These things sometimes leak out on to the astral plane and can be very hard to remove. Please accept my apologiesMore leaks I'm afraid. Must be the recent snowy weather:D

Who did this?

Found it!

Wired.com (http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/vr-goggles-and.html)

I've now read this thread from start to finish and looked at your website. I still don't really know what you're talking about.

Tim is American, so English is not his first language, therefore there will be a language barrier.

Apart from that, Americans don't use their mouths to speak out of.

Col

I had an "out of body" experience once, then found it so difficult to get back in I've never tried it again..................

Bizarre!

All done by reputable people under (apparently) strict conditions and yet I still remain skeptical. I guess that may be a character flaw on my part - if something seems illogical to me and I don't see it for myself, I don't trust it.

Its shocking the first time you hear this. But I think it makes sense. The idea of a mind or consciencess is merely an illusion. There is no mind, only a brain, which simulates conscieness. Of course, we still dont understand how that works. "You" are not actually "you". Our thoughts are just the firing or neurons in our brain. So if our perceptions change, then our brain is easily tricked.

Maybe this can explain why when a person dies and comes back, they so readily believe that they say heaven, or whatever it may be. When a person is dieing, I'm sure there are all kinds of odd and unusual levels of chemicals in the brain. The brain will interpret these chemicals, and viola!, your brain is now simulating heaven (or hell). Occum's Razor says this must be true. This is much more likely than there being a higher power and 72 virgins, or whatever you believe. Nevermind that we can never test to see if God is true. On the otherhand, we may be able to (someday) determine if the storm of chemical activity during death could result in visions.

Its shocking the first time you hear this. But I think it makes sense. The idea of a mind or consciencess is merely an illusion. There is no mind, only a brain, which simulates conscieness. Of course, we still dont understand how that works. "You" are not actually "you". Our thoughts are just the firing or neurons in our brain. So if our perceptions change, then our brain is easily tricked.

Maybe this can explain why when a person dies and comes back, they so readily believe that they say heaven, or whatever it may be. When a person is dieing, I'm sure there are all kinds of odd and unusual levels of chemicals in the brain. The brain will interpret these chemicals, and viola!, your brain is now simulating heaven (or hell). Occum's Razor says this must be true. This is much more likely than there being a higher power and 72 virgins, or whatever you believe. Nevermind that we can never test to see if God is true. On the otherhand, we may be able to (someday) determine if the storm of chemical activity during death could result in visions.




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Never underestimate your inner thoughts.

It has the ability to take you out of pain, and into pleasure everyday, even if you don't notice.

Six Hundred and fifty million people, on average, will have an unexpected out of body experience, at some point in their life, and that is why your inner thoughts believe it is possible, because they take us there, and we did nothing wrong.

Today I am fifty years old, and all I had to do, was go along for the ride.

As a society, we are real good at seeing a problem, and fixing it, but this problem can not be seen. You just have to believe it is there, and allow it the chance to work it self out, if there is anything there.

It's called free following through Hope!

We could spend another fifty years guessing if it is possible or not, or we can just do my free idea, now!

I'm not getting any younger, how about you?

What would it hurt?

Now Ii could of kept all this crazy information to myself, but what if there is something to it?

My free follow through cross training idea concept, breaks no laws of science. It actually works great in it.

A Pandora's box, that has the math, to back it up.

My idea is a constance to science, and it is the missing piece of life.

We now can measure thought, and we are getting better at it everyday.

That right, can not make my free idea concept wrong.

Regardless if you are an atheist, or a religious person, the math for it's possibility, is still good, based on time, and our ability to evolve, and at what stage of involvement, we are at!

Can we evolve out of our body, after death?

Have we already evolved out of body, after death of the body?

Why look for the needle in the hay stack, when we can train the needle, to come find us?

If I said, I would give you a million dollars, if you would contact me, when you reached the top of Mount everest.

Would it not be in my best interest, to make sure, you actually did it?

What if I had already set up a BrainGate machine there, and asked you to call me through that machine with your thoughts.

What if you decided to take me up on the challenge, and you actually did it, as a human.

If conditions were right, and we could do that. We do have the ability, as a country to make that happen, but we have never given you the chance to do it, as an afterlife person.

What would it hurt to try this free idea follow through, cross training idea concept, besides how bad I post, and how long the topic is?

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, on a day, I am suppose to be wiser.

Tim Brewer

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, on a day, I am suppose to be wiser.:confused::confused::confused::confused:
Tim Brewer

Well after reading through that lot and coming to this last sentence I'm sure we're all glad that you're feeling the wiser....

Tell me - you don't work in a strategy and communications department do you?

Tell me - you don't work in a strategy and communications department do you?

Well there are some clues here.

Firstly Tim is American, secondly, Ohio is where the spaceships land isn't it? You know, the small town where people live in caravans and drive a 1950's pick-up truck.

I think this whole thing is a bit far fetched (as are most American thoughts)

Col

Well after reading through that lot and coming to this last sentence I'm sure we're all glad that you're feeling the wiser....

Tell me - you don't work in a strategy and communications department do you?

Good question BarryMK,

Before this bucket list topic, I was Vice President of Operations, for a financial company.

Now, during the day, I am managing a pizza location.
Work that I don't have to take home with me.

Why do you ask?

Good question BarryMK,

Before this bucket list topic, I was Vice President of Operations, for a financial company.

Now, during the day, I am managing a pizza location.
Work that I don't have to take home with me.

Why do you ask?

This may appear obscure to you but I think if you have to ask why, you rather prove the point I was making. Thankyou for your answer but my question was actually rhetorical, not literal and was heavily ironic. I appreciate that with the exception of a few notable posters on this forum irony can tend to go over the head of our American cousins. But to explain further - every strategy and comms type department (Col will probably claim them to be an American import over here!) I have dealt with had an inbuilt inability to communicate with anything approaching clarity. You'll have to draw your own conclusions on that one Tim, anyhow if your theories make you happy......

I appreciate that with the exception of a few notable posters on this forum irony can tend to go over the head of our American cousins.

That thar be fightin' talk!

That thar be fightin' talk!

Naturally you'd be one of the notable exceptions ;):D

Naturally you'd be one of the notable exceptions ;):D

That's a good one Barry.

Col

This may appear obscure to you but I think if you have to ask why, you rather prove the point I was making. Thankyou for your answer but my question was actually rhetorical, not literal and was heavily ironic. I appreciate that with the exception of a few notable posters on this forum irony can tend to go over the head of our American cousins. But to explain further - every strategy and comms type department (Col will probably claim them to be an American import over here!) I have dealt with had an inbuilt inability to communicate with anything approaching clarity. You'll have to draw your own conclusions on that one Tim, anyhow if your theories make you happy......

Dear Barry,

My goal is to make you happy, not to play games, with your CSI assuming.

If the conditions were right, you could no more stop from having an out of body experience, than any one else, that has ever had one, or could have on e in the future, and regardless how well I have focused on the home work to this topic, and not to my grammor, is all in your thoughts, and what ever else you precieve as reality.

Would stay longer, but my one son, Simon Brewer, is in a Tornado movie on the weather channel tonight.

besides, I am getting tired.

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Dear Barry,

If the conditions were right, you could no more stop from having an out of body experience, than any one else, that has ever had one, or could have on e in the future, and regardless how well I have focused on the home work to this topic, and not to my grammor, is all in your thoughts, and what ever else you precieve as reality.

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So as long as I believe something - it exists?

Sorry Tim but it seems to me that you have as much idea of how many beans make five existentially as I do, which is not saying a lot.....

So as long as I believe something - it exists?

Sorry Tim but it seems to me that you have as much idea of how many beans make five existentially as I do, which is not saying a lot.....


You are right. I am not focused on five or beans, at this time.

Could you do what I can do with my topic?

Yes, if you wanted too!

We are equal on ability, but after that, it's tit for tat, on experience.

I can tell you what I know, and you can tell me what you know, as we try my free idea concept.

It only takes two of you to make a difference.

The one who helps to figure out what we need to do right now, to make it happen, and the one who tries it, and makes it work.

It seams as though our inner thoughts, are focused on being, where they need to be, when the time comes.

You would think, since the whole thing is already in place, and we can do it for free, that maybe we should do that.

Why?

our inner thoughts is trying to make it happen.

I notice that, like observation in science,

and you report it!

We try it, because it is the least we can do, for our inner thoughts, that always tries to flight out of our body, toward an anti matter, that makes up our inner thought.

We are inside something, and that something, left poker hand clues, during near death out of body situations.

Was my out of body experience special, to other out of body experiences?

No, I just learned from mine, and thought you would like to know.

Please continue........

Yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzz

Yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzz

I agree. Oh, hang on - there's some paint drying, I'm off to watch that. It's much more fun. Personally, I think Tim's losing it.

Col

I agree. Oh, hang on - there's some paint drying, I'm off to watch that. It's much more fun. Personally, I think Tim's losing it.

Col

The only thing I lost, is a glass house mentality.

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The only thing I lost, is a glass house mentality.

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I remember having an out-of-body experience now I think back - it was after sinking about 5 pints of scrumpy Somerset cider once.

Col

I remember having an out-of-body experience now I think back - it was after sinking about 5 pints of scrumpy Somerset cider once.

Col

Six hundred and fifty million people, will have a near death experience, at some point in their life.

These people will be consumers, and these people, will want the free option I am providing, and regardless what shade, or effort, out of body experience you have, you will always have it, if the conditions are right!

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I offer the best option right now.

It's safe, it's free, and it is easy to do!

This patient above, on BrainGate, has already died, of natural causes, and he never got the chance, to try my option.

What would it hurt?

Sounds crazy so far, sure, but besides that, it also makes perfect sense!

Sounds crazy so far, sure, but besides that, it also makes perfect sense!


I think perhaps we ought to have a poll on that! ;)

Six hundred and fifty million people, will have a near death experience, at some point in their life.

These people will be consumers, and these people, will want the free option I am providing,

How do you know both these statements are true?

Col

I tried asking that first one a while back and got ignored.

I think he's just picked a number and stated it as fact, which is a shame when the rest of the posts are so grounded in truth and well-argued.:rolleyes:


It's like religion - you choose what you want to believe in (anything will do enter your preference here) and then it becomes a fact. :rolleyes:


I believe a green spotted dinosaur is going to pitch a tent in your back garden. I won't say when but it will happen. :p

Sounds crazy so far, sure, but besides that, it also makes perfect sense!
In much the same way: chainsawing your own head off is a terrible idea, but apart from that, it's brilliant!

I tried asking that first one a while back and got ignored.



That's why I asked again - and it'll be ignored again too I'll bet. It proves to most of us what total bo££ocks he is talking.

Col

I believe a green spotted dinosaur is going to pitch a tent in your back garden. I won't say when but it will happen. :p

Been on the funny fags again Barry? That can give you an out-of-body experience.

Col

I believe a green spotted dinosaur is going to pitch a tent in your back garden. I won't say when but it will happen. :p

It will be at exactly 3:15:27 am on February 15th 2086

Brian

I think perhaps we ought to have a poll on that! ;)


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What exactly would you like to vote on?

How do you know both these statements are true?

Col

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I have heard, or read, here lately. That the average, for out of body experiences, have actually gone up, but who's keeping score.

Please fill free, to find current numbers about that, if you like, but don't be surprised, it those numbers have gone up!

Please fill free to post, those results here, if you like.

The last I heard, it was 10 percent, of six, and a half billion people, on average.

On a Barbra Walters show, a few years back, they said that 80% of Americans believed, that there is some type of afterlife.

When, I had my out of body experience, if I knew, there was an option, like I this one, back then. I would of not thought twice, about finding out more about it, because I could associate with it for one.

Right now, science got funding,(Your tax dollars) to do a three year study, on people having near death experiences.

Why spend money on that, when my free idea is better, and it is Free!

I guess Free is not cool, any more.

I guess in the very small part, of this possibility, it don't stimulate President Obama enough.

They can't seam to see the pork, on this option, regardless how it turns out.

They don't see the product.

If it works, for them or not, they will still have to try my free idea. at some point anyway.

I once heard, that if there was actual aliens, that they would be so much more advance, than us.

I believe, with my free experiment. We will fix that problem as well, if there are such a thing, as aliens.

My free idea, has the potential, to answer all type of questions out there, that we thought, we would never get an answer for.

Example:

Like information from O.J.'s, after wife.

Maybe Jimmy Hoffa, is still floating around.

I totally understand, that it is hard for some to comprehend, but that still don't hide the fact, that it is possible.

It's possible, in the fact, that we can try the experiment, and it's possible, in the fact, that the experiment, will work!

What do I mean by that?

If conditions were right. My free idea, concept, theory, will work!

Are these conditions, I'm talking about, possible?

Yes!

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When they are actually, considered dead!

I can not say, for a fact, that all of them, will actually, take an interest, in this option, but why not?

Everything comes down now, to perceived pain, or perceived pleasure, and after they see. What options they have then, why not include this option?

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People seam to like, having different options, to choose from.

What would it hurt?

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Tim Brewer

It's like religion - you choose what you want to believe in (anything will do enter your preference here) and then it becomes a fact. :rolleyes:

There is a difference. My idea concept theory, is Free!

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I believe a green spotted dinosaur is going to pitch a tent in your back garden. I won't say when but it will happen. :p

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This is not rocket science.

We already have the machine, the patients, and a reason to try it.

Why not!

I tried asking that first one a while back and got ignored.

I think he's just picked a number and stated it as fact, which is a shame when the rest of the posts are so grounded in truth and well-argued.:rolleyes:


" when the rest of the posts are so grounded in truth and well-argued."

What do you mean, with this statement, if you don't mind me asking?

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Where am I at?

The-

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Nobody questions that, because, that is where we are at, mentally.

How much value you create to that, depends on your reality.

Because of my near death experience, I believe my option, is a good one.

I believe, if you experienced, what I experienced. You would feel the same.

I have offered, all of this, as a free option, and I have never asked, for much back in return.

I have asked this question many times, and I have yet, gotten an answer for it. Please fill free to answer it the best you can, if you like.

"What would it hurt, to try my free idea concept theory?"

I believe the best answer is Nothing, because that is the only answer, I seam to find!

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We might as well, inform the BrainGate patients, to hang out, in that jar.

What would it hurt?

We can pretend like they are invisible lighting bugs, that we caught years ago!

We can assume, until the cows come home, and I can go them as well, but what about you?

What would it hurt, for you, to allow me to try my bucket list idea?

I'm sorry, I can't make it happen, as quick, as I can whip a picture of perceived value, on this thread, but if given the chance, to interact with the BrainGate patients. I believe my free option, is better, than hanging out in a nothing jar, going no place, anytime soon!

As Patrick Swayze(Ghost movie) said" We are all dieing"

They say on average, that 250,000 people die, every day on this planet.

While you are checking my statistics, i also heard, that we have about 40,000 thoughts a day, and if that is the case, then you could not morn, all these missing people, if you wanted too. there is not enough time, and even if, you figured out a way to do it, with the value, it deserves. You would not have time, for anything else.

I am selected, to what I say no too, because I must, not for myself, but for this topic.

Do I have too?

No, not if you let me try my free idea, now!

What would it hurt?

Perhaps if we ignore Tim he will go away. Or Am I just being hopelessly optimistic.

Whats with all the commas in your posts?

His spelling is absolutely hopeless too. Still, he's obviously American, so it's no surprise he has difficulty mastering punctuation and English grammar.

Col

I'm not sure why I'm getting into this rathole of a thread... but here goes:

I've read through all 14 or however many pages this is, and in all honesty I don't understand what Tim is even trying to accomplish here. Maybe it's his bad English, or maybe I'm missing the concept.

Do I believe in an afterlife? Sure, it makes complete sense when you think of things. I have my own ideas that differ from most people, and clearly differ from religion. Do ghosts and spirits exist? Definitely. Can they be communicated with? Maybe. Can we cross time planes and speak to the future? Definitely Not.

What exactly is his "method" and what is he trying to accomplish with it? He's lost me over the course of this thread, he seems all over the place.

Near-death experiences exist, and those who have spoken about theirs I truly believe. However, your body is close to death... how can you be sure that what you fully believe to have happened, really happened, and it wasn't your brain beginning to shut down and prepare yourself for death by putting you in a dream mode. And it just so happens that this "dream mode" coincides with whatever you have believed in your whole life.

I mean, if you believe all your life that when you die you're spirit is gonna get sucked out of your body and rise up to a light. I don't find it too hard to believe that your brain automatically goes into this "dream" when you really are shutting down for death. People with near-death experiences seem to always have those experiences coincide with exactly what they've always believed in. I don't ever hear someone going "I'm Muslim, but in my near-death experience I saw this <other religion ending>, and it turned my faith!"

So if someone could explain what he's trying to "prove", or this magical "method", I'd love to hear it.

Whats with all the commas in your posts?

I'm reading it like beat poetry. To the extent I'm reading it at all.

Tim's posts remind me of a style that's not uncommon on some of the creation/evolution debate boards that exist out there - just rambling streams of semi-consciousness, interspersed with images.

Tim - it comes down to this: - if this device has any scientific merit, you should demonstrate it conclusively to some people who are properly equipped to analyse your results (psychologists, neurologists, etc).

Just burbling on and on about it on message boards is going to get you precisely nowhere. When you have some hard results, let's see them. Your highly optimistic speculation and wishful thinking is charming, but useless.

I'm not sure why I'm getting into this rathole of a thread... but here goes:

I've read through all 14 or however many pages this is, and in all honesty I don't understand what Tim is even trying to accomplish here. Maybe it's his bad English, or maybe I'm missing the concept.

Do I believe in an afterlife? Sure, it makes complete sense when you think of things. I have my own ideas that differ from most people, and clearly differ from religion. Do ghosts and spirits exist? Definitely. Can they be communicated with? Maybe. Can we cross time planes and speak to the future? Definitely Not.

What exactly is his "method" and what is he trying to accomplish with it? He's lost me over the course of this thread, he seems all over the place.

Near-death experiences exist, and those who have spoken about theirs I truly believe. However, your body is close to death... how can you be sure that what you fully believe to have happened, really happened, and it wasn't your brain beginning to shut down and prepare yourself for death by putting you in a dream mode. And it just so happens that this "dream mode" coincides with whatever you have believed in your whole life.

I mean, if you believe all your life that when you die you're spirit is gonna get sucked out of your body and rise up to a light. I don't find it too hard to believe that your brain automatically goes into this "dream" when you really are shutting down for death. People with near-death experiences seem to always have those experiences coincide with exactly what they've always believed in. I don't ever hear someone going "I'm Muslim, but in my near-death experience I saw this <other religion ending>, and it turned my faith!"

So if someone could explain what he's trying to "prove", or this magical "method", I'd love to hear it.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

In 2005, a company out of Boston, Mass. Started using a machine called BrainGate, that has the ability to read your thoughts.

My goal is to take that same technology, and follow it through, to communicate with potential out of body afterlife.

What is BrainGate actually doing?
It's measuring friction of thought, from the neurons firing, in the brain.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2008/01/080130092102-large.jpg

Here is a picture, of the first successful BrainGate patient.

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Quick review:

You have now seen the machine,

You have now seen, an actual BrainGate patient, of the BrainGate machine.

Everything after that, is just free cross training follow through.

Please fill free to comment,

Tim Brewer

I'm reading it like beat poetry. To the extent I'm reading it at all.

Tim's posts remind me of a style that's not uncommon on some of the creation/evolution debate boards that exist out there - just rambling streams of semi-consciousness, interspersed with images.

Tim - it comes down to this: - if this device has any scientific merit, you should demonstrate it conclusively to some people who are properly equipped to analyse your results (psychologists, neurologists, etc).

Just burbling on and on about it on message boards is going to get you precisely nowhere. When you have some hard results, let's see them. Your highly optimistic speculation and wishful thinking is charming, but useless.

Thank you Mike, for that advice.

How do I go about doing that?

I never had a desire to go to college, and still don't.

I tried to get media attention, but I'm still waiting on that.

All I can do at this time is burbs, and try to get better at that.

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I can dress myself, that has to be good for something!

Ok thanks for your explanation, that brought me up to speed quite quickly.

I don't understand how this machine can be transferred though. I assume you're going to try and hook it up to someone who can either contact the other world, or try to capture one of their out of body experiences.

However, if you try to capture one of the out of body experiences and this device picks up the neurothoughts, I believe you could actually prove that the out of body experience is actually a figment of the brains imagination when going into a dream mode before death. If it doesn't pick up anything, you could prove that the person is lying.

So I believe there may be a logical gap of thinking here, however if your idea is to simply study the brain patterns of when people have out of body experiences, that sounds good. Maybe your end result someday down the line you really can contact the other world etc. But as the initial goal, I believe you should simply be stating you are studying what goes on in a persons mind when these things occur, and draw your conclusions afterwards. I believe currently your conclusions are already predetermined, which may bias any study at all.

I'm reading it like beat poetry...

That's excellent. Now I get it. Count me in -- or out, as the case may be...

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Because I lost an hour of sleep today, I will not have time tonight, to answer all your good questions.

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What would you do, if you were in my position?

Should I ignore this option, and maybe find my self, in that situation some day.

It's not like I can complain then.

Thomas A. Edison, loved to take other people's inventions, and make them better.

I am no different.

I want to take his idea, and finish it. He would respect that. this is an honorable thing to do.

I am in a catch-22 situation though, and here is why.

Here is the upside:
More than 80% of Americans believe, that there is some type of afterlife.

Here is the down side:

80% of people don't care about your problems, and the other 20%, are glad you have them.

That down side, covers everybody.

What is my problem?

Getting media attention.

Who cares to help me?

0%

People might believe, what I believe, but they don't want to help me.

They would be interested, in watching me on a show, but they don't want to help me.

They are concerned, if they would end up in this type of afterlife, but they don't want to help me.

They would love for me to be right, but they don't want to help me, at this time.

I have no doubt, that some would, but they don't know a thing about it.

What if you felt, that there was something important, that you needed to get out to the masses. How would you do it?

There is only a couple of guidelines.

It can't hurt you, or anybody else, and it has to be free!

How would you get your message, or bucket list out there?

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

What is my problem?

Getting media attention.

Who cares to help me?

0%



It's hard to say why, isn't it?

Just read the first two lines above - maybe that might give you a clue, I could tell you but I feel you need professional help rather than ridicule.


Col

It's hard to say why, isn't it?

Just read the first two lines above - maybe that might give you a clue, I could tell you but I feel you need professional help rather than ridicule.


Col

I need professional help based on what?

I have a free idea, that you don't get, or want to get?

I did some extensive research on this BrainGate device (actually, I just looked it up on Wikipedia) - I'm not even sure where you got the idea it would be at all helpful to your cause, Tim - it's a device designed to allow disabled people to control electronic devices such as prosthetic limbs, mobility devices and control interfaces to computers and household automation.

It's not, as far as I can tell, going to be any use at all in determining whether a person's consciousness has left their body. Where did you get the idea that it would?

Love that bit :D

I loved that too, but that just shows you, how quick you can learn anything!

It's all here!

The Internet, can sure give you a lot of knowledge, but on the same thought, you don't have time, to take it all in. All the while, hoping, you got the good stuff, information, through out life.

example:

Some fields of science, don't believe in back doctors, and some don't believe in medicine, and regardless where they are at on it, don't matter to me, just as long, as I am out of pain.

My free back up plan, is that type of option.

Options I pose, have never been asked, or thought about, by some, but they still need answered. The only thing stopping, anything from being answered, is time. and having the right conditions, to make it happen.

We all could be sitting in the stands, on that first game of the season, and hoping the best, but we don't know.

Science don't run out on the field, and measure this play out, from start to finish. they are nothing more, than paid observers. What are we?

Free couch potatoes, and as long, as we continue to focus all of our time, on just limited options, through out life, the more we start to look more like the grass hopper.

will i knock it out of the park, every time I post?

No, because I don't know what makes you happy, unless you tell me.

I can look stupid, at times, assuming, or imaging, what makes you happy, or a guardian angel, but instead of assuming, it would help, if you inform me.

What makes you click?

Have you always tried to get the approval of others, and you never learned to say no.

Please fill free to leave, and say "no", to this topic, and me, as the informer, if you like.

Just be warned, that i do mentally, at some point, plan on bringing, some Pandora box guardian angels, through here, some time.

Maybe I will do that in a future thread.

The Guardian angel free view visit.

You just never know, who might view this topic.

We could yell at the quarterback, to hell up from the huddle, what play he is trying, and see how good that works for him.

Some do not believe in my free idea, as I believe, it is an Home land security, issue as well.

Believe it or not, but in these reality times of life.

Every bad guy, is looking for an edge.

They want the chance, to get away with everything.

We know as humans, we make mistakes. We also know that we are very good at anything, when we set our thoughts to it.

We don't have to do a lot of things, that is not related to my topic, but we do.

I find, the person behind the wheel, is always more engaged.

How hard is it, to have a passion, for everything?

Not hard at all.

Just take advantage of your weaknesses.

Imagine everything you know, in every filing cabinet, you have, comes with a light switch.


Imagine every thought, like a Forum thread.

Where are you at, in your thoughts right now.

Are you just drifting, in your thoughts, or are you just wondering, what I am thinking next?

In some ways, it seams, as though i am always in a hurry, but in others, it seams, as though, I am wasting time.

why is that?

because i am learning, as I go.

I already, told you, that I don't know everything, and I am learning new stuff everyday.

I always have an open door policy, on learning, because it keeps you up to date, on current events, and the topics, that interest you.

I'm not watching the news right now. I have no reason too.

All I can do, is help them, but they first, have to perceive, that they want , what I can provide.

Just because somebody don't believe in you, or I, don't make them right.

Unless they have the facts, to back it up.

Example:

Take my dollar pair of eye glasses.

I know, if I bang my eye glasses, against my cigarette. That it will not lite it.

The longer, I try and find things, that I know, will not lite this cigarette, the longer, I can quit smoking, until, the urge passes for good.

Now on the other hand, I could just go get a lighter, and use it toward my bad habit.

Brain Gate, is our lighter.

Brain Gate, is the matrix, too our end zone.

Brain Gate is tool for measuring.

They can tell you all type of fancy words, or where they are at, with this technology, but that don't mean, that is where we are at.

It is alright, to imagine, more than they have the time right now to do.

You have seen the evolution to everything we have, just about, and you can find shows, on just about everything we make, depending if those people are selfish, or not, on turning over that type of information, but that is a different topic, in it self.

There is a wealth, of information, that we all know, but it is not worth a thing, if we don't get it headed, in the right direction.

That is what this option, of mine, can do.

Get us pointed, in the right direction.

Will it be easy?

No, change never is.

Will I try, and be the best unorganized quarter back you would ever want/

I'll try!

Is there so much i want to inform you about?

I'm busting, in that thought!

Will my wife, want me to do something different on my day off?

With out a doubt!

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Looky there, I got a bite!

Quick review:

Don't sweat the small stuff, it's all small stuff!

Focus on what is hot, and is going some where, like this topic.

find a little time, everyday to believe in something, that might not make sense right now, but it will, and you will be glad, you were there, when the conception, was just a baby thought, through a time, when baby thoughts, were needed, because some cause and effects, are there for a reason, and you should never under estimate, all the options.

Image for a moment, I was allowed to try my free idea?

All red tape cut.

Would you be interested, in watching me do it?

Would you like the chance, to vote on it?

Example:

We set the whole experiment up on American Idol, explain it to the audience, and then allow everybody, the chance to vote on it.

Example: Monday night, we explain it on the show, and let Simon, put his two words in, and then the next night, we bring in the Brain Gate patient, and somebody, who does believe, in afterlife, and then you tell them, that you care, or don't care, if we should pursue, this option or not.

All I am talking about is free, if you want it bad enough.

I thought the movie, Swing vote, would of been better, if he just read all those letters!

I care what you think, and I like to think, that some of you, care about me.

It's normal, for everybody, to be in there own thing. That is natural, and it is also natural, for people like me, to pick up on these types of situations, because there is friction in history, with what we know about my free idea, and what we are willing to recognize, at this time in our life.

Near death experiences, might seam like loose sand, floating around in water, close to the shore, before settling on the beach, but it is still sand just the same, and we don't know what is in side it.

We can assume, but that don't make it real.

I know no human sand, that I could train, to meat Brain gate, by the shore line someday, because i could not see an afterlife sand guy, figuring out, how to do this option, but I might, some day, ask a human, to try an experience under water, because water might create a better signal.

See why, I don't like to get into the details.

That would be one, of many experiments, that Edison would of done, if the President, at the time, would of asked him, to try such an experiment.

Imagine i was the President, back in Edison time.

What could I of done, as the President, to help make Edison a better inventor?

Maybe motivate him!

Example:

"Mr. Edison,[pause]

I'm glad,[pause]

you had time to talk with me today.

I heard in the media, that you believe, we can communicate with the dead.

I don't know if you truly believe that or not, but i sure would like it, if you would give it a try.

Now grant you Mr. Edison, personally, at this time, I have a lot of concerns, and i have no doubt, that the American public, and the world will have as well, but as your commander and chief.

Let's do it!

how will i change, as a president, if you do this for me Mr. Edison?

It Free's me up to read the letters.

It frees me up, to never turn away an application.


i believe it is the Government job, to find you a job, and if i was President, I would find you a job.

a job that would make you happy.

Maybe, you could help me.

If you did that, then it would free me up to read more letters.

This topic, is not about me, it never was.

It's about what you want!

Do you want to be happy, or not?

Get me noticed, and everybody can just send there applications, along with it, until I have them all.

Who would like to be in charge, of organizing them?

Can we find a free place to do that, or is it going to crash?

Please remember, one thing about the NASA dream.

It was not just about the trip to the moon, but all the new stuff, we learned along the way.

I read some place, the other day, that if I like, what I post, then others will as well.
I hope that is not the case, unless you have tissue, because I was crying through the application section, of this thread.

I do care,(pause)

I do care,(pause)

about every one of you.

I believe the Government has the time, to help you, with your application.

Why?

Because we pay them to do that.

Am I saying more Government?

Yes, if we can afford it.

I believe, with my free idea, we will!

I believe, the moment of truth, is what you care about.

Do you miss somebody?

Somebody, who played an important role in it?

Would you just like to know, at some point, that they alright/

We seam to do that, in other parts of our life now.

What would it hurt?



You perceive your self, a curtain way, and depending on how interesting that is. Depends on how much, we are worth exploring that.

Just about, it still missing my section, at least the part, where it all comes together.

Life is a string of anything, and everything. That you want to see.

Example:

I don't see myself, as a great writer, so I don't try and be a great writer.

Example:

Imagine, you are the quarterback, for a football team. It's your first game of the season. What are you thinking, while you stand behind your center?

Are you just thinking about calling out the right thing, that will get this game going, or are you thinking about doing everything correctly, that will help you win this complicated game of variables.

I will not lie.

I am a part, of the reality world we live in, but I do see the end zone.

Just like all the countless threads here on the Internet.

An archive, for any future culture to see, and traditions will grow from that, because everybody needs to build there own matrix. One that they can belong too, because it brings them comfort.

Can I be a part of that?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/716870277_4c7b569b7b.jpg

For all you, off season Fantasy football players!

Get into this game of mine, and make a difference.

http://www.chumpysclipart.com/images/illustrations/thumbnail/819_picture_of_an_excited_armchair_quarterback_wat ching_a_game.jpg

If you are interested, in this type of stuff,

Please fill free, to get the word out.

Show me what you are capable of!

I thought this was a help center?

Show me what you can do, to inform more people about this option.

I believe, some of the greatest minds are here, at this site, and they can do anything, in any field, if given the chance.

I believe everybody has a purpose, and it is up to them, if they want to do it or not.

Please help me, get the chance, to lead this option, into the record books.

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Are you ready to play out this option, like a football game?

Sure some, will post some great sacks, and think the game is over, but that is just one play.

The game is long, and we have not, even had, kick off yet.

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I'm willing to do mine, are you?

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What option?

Brain Gate is tool for measuring.No, it isn't.

An "out of body" experience can be done with Alpha thinking....but very hard to do.

I think Tim just completely ignored and bypassed my comment about proving the opposite with his method, and about Mike Gurman's post about what the BrainGate actually does seems to also have been completely bypassed.

I think there were people open to your ideas and listen to what you had to say (me) and I think you kinda bypassed the entire point of the posts we made.

If you want to have more support, you have to meet the questions, criticism, and objective analysis with good debates and points, not by dancing around the topic.

I think it's the case that he's happy to treat anything he can imagine as fact, unless someone else goes to the trouble of demonstrating it false (if it is even possible to do so).

Of course that's not how science works - fanciful ideas are cheap, facts come at a price - the effort of testing and verifying them.

Either that, or this is some kind of performance art (I seriously haven't ruled that out).

I think it's the case that he's happy to treat anything he can imagine as fact, unless someone else goes to the trouble of demonstrating it false (if it is even possible to do so).

Of course that's not how science works - fanciful ideas are cheap, facts come at a price - the effort of testing and verifying them.

Either that, or this is some kind of performance art (I seriously haven't ruled that out).

Good thoughts mike,

You found my mind set.
-The reason I am here, is based on the fact, that you do think.
-I am happy, and as far back as I can remember, happy seams to be a good thing!
-I do not imagine everything as fact, but it is a good tool, to get you to that point.

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What trouble would it take, for somebody to prove my free idea concept is not possible?

I offer free, to do it, with only cross training effort, leaving the patient to decide, at that time, if it is a good deal, or not. All I ask, is to leave the machine on, after this trained patient is dead. I believe, if you believe, it is possible, then we should have no problem, getting the private sector, to split the bill, for leaving the machine on longer, but if you really believe, then we could take this new sports game, in directions, that Edison did, with the light bulb. trying this and that, until we find something better, but if we really believe, then we would question that, and make a even better light bulb, and that type of follow through imagination can go on for ever.

Tell me air is just air, and my idea will not work, but that is not the case.

God, does not play with dice, but he does have the ability to communicate.

My imagination has taken us to the Matrix telephone, and even though I believe, that our trained patient, will be the first to answer the phone, that might not be the case. Other people imagination might believe it will be an evil spirit, or God. Regardless the outcome, the odds, are still in our favor. Even if it is the worst scenario, and it is an evil spirit. We can still unplug the machine, and build off of that.

Everyone of us, are highly intelligent people, and most of us escape to our imagination, to get lost. Be it drugs, alcohol, fantasy football, or the fact, that you feel, you might need a car port.

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My free idea, that can change life as we know it. Is even easier than building a car port.

Sounds crazy, but it is true!

It seams as thought, our great minds of this world. Support me!

What great minds do you know, that don't believe my free idea is possible?

Should they spend more money than I, trying to prove me wrong?

Should they have more time than I, to prove me wrong?

Should they not only have the time, between me saying it is possible, and actually doing it, to prove me wrong?

I have no problem giving them, all the time they need, but it sure would be nice, to get this idea off my bucket list, before I die. My only options after that, just might be this machine as well.

I started thinking about it, in 2005.
I started looking for people, to prove me wrong in 2006
I'm ready now!
What are you waiting for?

Science is observation, from your imagination, to find the truth.
I do not need additional science, to try my cross training free experiment.

What you fail to notice, is the fact, that I am right!

Why did I use a car port, as an example?

I wanted to save time, searching for that type of example, and I wanted to keep it simple!

I wonder what my free idea could do to help this person?

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To save time, ask yourself this question.

What is in it for me, to agree with Tim?

Tim, have you worked out yet that people think you are nuts? Or are you one of those people who ignore such things and carry on regardless.

Also, why is each of your posts about 3 or 4 mousewheel scrolls long? Long posts never get read anyway. And whats with the pictures?

Col

I think Tim just completely ignored and bypassed my comment about proving the opposite with his method, and about Mike Gurman's post about what the BrainGate actually does seems to also have been completely bypassed.

I think there were people open to your ideas and listen to what you had to say (me) and I think you kinda bypassed the entire point of the posts we made.

If you want to have more support, you have to meet the questions, criticism, and objective analysis with good debates and points, not by dancing around the topic.

You are right!

We would get nowhere, if we had to count on my dancing.

http://writingroads.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/dirty-dancing.jpg

Now this person on the other hand, has been doing a real good job, dancing around science and death, for quite some time. He would make a good poster child for my free idea.

What free option do you have?

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Trust me, with my free idea concept. You will not be ignored!

Tim, have you worked out yet that people think you are nuts? Or are you one of those people who ignore such things and carry on regardless.

Also, why is each of your posts about 3 or 4 mousewheel scrolls long? Long posts never get read anyway. And whats with the pictures?

Col

Good question ColinEssex,

Am I crazy?

Were my past neighbors, the Wright Brothers crazy?

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What you should do is look at me, like a scratch and win lottery ticket.

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We won, with people thinking Ohion Edison, and the Wright Brothers were crazy. All we need to do now, is scratch off my section!

People want more information, but they don't want to read it.

I'm trying to cut down on my long threads, with pictures that are worth a thousand words.

I'm sorry, that I have not found one word, or picture, that gets the job done yet!

Regardless the best made plan. Anything can go wrong.

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Good thoughts mike,
...What trouble would it take, for somebody to prove my free idea concept is not possible?
...

What great minds do you know, that don't believe my free idea is possible?

Should they spend more money than I, trying to prove me wrong?

Should they have more time than I, to prove me wrong?

Should they not only have the time, between me saying it is possible, and actually doing it, to prove me wrong?

I have no problem giving them, all the time they need, but it sure would be nice, to get this idea off my bucket list, before I die. My only options after that, just might be this machine as well.

I started thinking about it, in 2005.
I started looking for people, to prove me wrong in 2006
I'm ready now!
What are you waiting for?

Once more: You are not 'right until proven wrong' - it simply doesn't work like that, Until and unless you demonstrate its merit and veracity, your idea is just a bunch of worthless noise.

What you fail to notice, is the fact, that I am right!I cannot notice that which is not in evidence. At best, you are not yet demonstrated to be right, but I think even that is being far too generous.

Once more: You are not 'right until proven wrong' - it simply doesn't work like that, Until and unless you demonstrate its merit and veracity, your idea is just a bunch of worthless noise.

I cannot notice that which is not in evidence. At best, you are not yet demonstrated to be right, but I think even that is being far too generous.

The proof you want, will come at the time of the experiment, and not a moment sooner, unless somebody else does it first.

You and I, could interact about this option in detail, until the cows come home, but why?

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The proof you want, will come at the time of the experiment, and not a moment sooner, unless somebody else does it first.What experiment? You haven't coherently described one.

You and I, could interact about this option in detail, until the cows come home, but why?If you mean it's pointless to discuss the matter further with you, I'm inclined to agree.

I just got this email,

Dear Tim,

Yesterday, thanks to your support, and after five years of sounding the call for our government to restore integrity to federal science, we reached an important milestone. President Obama released a memorandum that unequivocally signals the importance that he places on scientific integrity in federal policy making.

http://ucs.convio.net/images/content/pagebuilder/11999.jpgThe president’s memo directs the Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop a strategy aimed at preventing political interference in science. President Obama pledged to elevate the role of science in his administration by “ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda—and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology.”

I have no problem with that!

Maybe the President, during Thomas A. Edison time, should of done that, instead of making fun of the idea.

What experiment? You haven't coherently described one.

If you mean it's pointless to discuss the matter further with you, I'm inclined to agree.

Like your afterlife option, is so much better!

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What science supports your option?

Just remember, before you try your idea, what ever it might be. There are other options.

Will my option work?

We won't know, unless we try!

Will your option work?

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Everyday!

I have no problem explaining the experiment, but that don't seam to be what you are having the biggest problem with.

You seam to be making this out to be bigger, than building a carport.

Please take some time, and think about what I am saying, with an open mind.

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I know I do!

What experiment? You haven't coherently described one.

If you mean it's pointless to discuss the matter further with you, I'm inclined to agree.

It is not pointless to communicate about anything, if you know you have enough time to do that.

It is good to flight, if you feel you are waisting your time, but we are not.

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Who are we?

The viewers, who view, every time I post. i would imagine, that some of them have followed my option, from the beginning.

I know people don't like change, or we would of already made this new TV change thing, that i hear in the news.

I'm sorry that i did not use my thoughts toward bad, if you are into that type of thinking, but it does happen, from time to time, when people do, actually try and better them self, even if they have been caught, viewing unpolitical correct topics!

Could I lose my job, if I am found out about?

I guess, but I already told them, and they said go for it!

Even if they change their mind, and nobody will hire me, I guess that the direction the government is going these days anyway.

Do it for free now, or pay for it later?

Like it or not, but my free idea concept, is politically correct!

Why did I allow my inner thoughts to take me out of pain, and into pleasure?

Because I read, that the peaceful phlegmatic personality makes very few mistakes, and at that time in my life, the odds seam to be in my favor!

I don't make this stuff up!

Believe it or not, but I can measure every mistake I make every day, and most of them fall under lazy nest, on my part.

Why is your inner thoughts so good?

They don't get tied down, by bad habit comfort zones.

No perceived anything, the real deal!

Why is every normal near death out of body experience the same?

Why don't we talk more about it, and try and improve that option, like we do, with everything else?

Because nobody has taken the time, to follow through, down this path, but me.

Do you believe, even if I convinced you tonight, or any night, that my option is possible, that they are just going to let me walk right in there, and play?

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You are either going back wards, or going for wards, but you can not stay the same.

I like to think, that we are moving forward. Don't you agree?

Believe it or not, but I have no ego.

I'm smart enough to know, that I did not do this free afterlife option alone.

There will come a day, when somebody out of the afterlife, will talk about how they helped me in this field of science.

Why do I know this?

Because if I was a cave man. I would be hard pressed most the time, to find the cave, with out a little help.

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Some people through out life, find some time, to listen for their inner thoughts, and maybe they feel it is God.

I don't know if it is the case or not, but I do know, it is not part, of my original DNA.

Things just don't happen for a reason, as i experience all the time. the only exception to that, is something I would do to delay, such an option.

My original DNA, could not be that good with current event, as it is, with my inner thoughts.

I can understand, if DNA, is like the filing cabinets, of my thoughts, and we take off in those filing cabinets, where we left off last time, but that is not the case.

You can go to sleep at night, on a further problem, and have the solution by morning.

It is not that the cave men got smarter, but the fact, that the afterlife did.

It would be in the best interest of you, to let people know that.

What do we do as a society, when you catch on?

Don't let the kids know!

Don't let the kids know about Santa Clause, or the tooth ferry, or that Easter bunnies, don't lay eggs.

I have tried most of my life to be stupid, because I am naturally a very lazy person, by nature to my personality, but because reasons, I fell for, that is not the case anymore.

Afterlife can see the finish line, and they will make this idea work, just think about what I am saying, and they have no problem, if you want to add pain, to the option, just as long as you try the option, because if they have to spend more time, making me better, than I am right now, and you can not imagine how quick I am typing, right now, then they will do that.

Why?

Because it is the right thing to do, regardless if you get it now, or not!

Have I always been like this?

Not until I decided to allow my inner thoughts, to take me out of pain, and into pleasure, with this option.

Am I like this in my personal life?

Very little!

I can only think of one situation at this time, and that is because, we are not on the same page yet, but with time, that will change as well.

How is it, that I am so at peace with my thoughts?

I don't micro manage.

Why do I do that?

I know I can be replace, so why not teach everybody how to do what I do?

Upper management is not going to get rid of you, if you do more, than what was expected. Upper management is going to be happy, that you are getting everything to work correctly.

All you have to do is make a decision. Am I just working to make my boss happy, or am I working to make everybody happy!

Anybody can be average, and most people are, but if you just add 10% to everything you do, then that ten percent will add everyday, until you are like me!

What is my problem?

I am a motivational speaker, with the hottest option we have had in History, and you get to interact, with me about it.

Don't call me crazy, stupid, or anything else that is negative. We have interacted long enough, to know, that I have had a different experience.

Any one of you, could have already called Oprah, or Dr. Phil, or anybody else you like, and sure I could throw there images up here, but with my personal out of body experience, that I know was real.

This is where we are at.

If you think i am crazy, call Dr. Phil

If you think I am the softer side of Sears, and want to call Oprah, because she has a back door key to President Obama, then please fill free to do that as well.

If it makes you feel better, I could charge for my services!


How about a Trillion dollars?

Would you like me to be like Medium Lisa Williams, and charge for my services?

You live in energy. You know the difference.

What do they say, 95% of your body is water.

Energy works real good in water.

Space holds water, and when you are real little, as you will be in the afterlife. You will not need a lot of water.

Energy is connected to energy, but water does compliment it nicely.

I fine, if you want to get good at something, focus on the positive.

example:

if it is true, that you have 40,000 thoughts a day, then why not make every one of them positive?

People worry too much about counting, or losing their money, to give there thoughts, the respect it deserves.

What is more important, money, or you?

I hear, that people can go on for ever, if they are talking about something, they have a passion for.

Am I the Golden Goose, or would you Rather flight, because it sounds like something out of a Robin Williams movie or something.

Depending on how soon we try this free idea, will determine, if he will have time to make the movie or not.

What about me, do you not like?

The fact that I am so sure of myself?

I would not be here, if it was not a fact!

I would not waste your time, claiming you, and your love ones will be able to communicate, if I did not believe 100%, or better, and don't forget better, that this crazy idea will work, and you have my inner thought soul on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!pie!!!!!!!!

What does my whole topic, mean for you?

Everything in life happens for a reason, and we are no different.

An event happened here, these last couple of day, that will change life as we know it, or it will be ignored.

Now if that is the case, and you could justify that by imagining to your self, that everything happens for a reason, and be done with it, just remember this.

Everything that comes around, goes around.

That is not a threat, from some afterlife holding an assault knife or nothing, but the fact that we all are dying from our body everyday, and the last thing we need right now, after getting all our faces on the front of Time magazine, is to discount this option, on my state of mind.

Did I already prove my point to some of you, a while back?

So why do I go on?

Because I can!

Are you that sure, with your stance, on this option?

Would you like me to go find another cliff image?

I'm sorry that i am too blunt, but you have been filled with so many assumptions so long in this field of science, it's hard to have an open mind, but if you need more, don't worry, I am ready!

I'm sorry that I am not on the E channel, but believe it or not, depending on how soon you understood me about this option, but if you are still having a hard time understanding, that I won the argument, or lost it, that it don't matter!


4,000 views on this topic, is more than enough reasons, to try my free idea.

Regardless where I go, people always have a hard time getting it.

Brainwashing, the best I can figure?

What do you think?

One last question, for the person on the second row.

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Tim, Before I call Oprah, or anybody else, and tell me the truth.

Can your imagination, help our country, out of this debt mess?

Let me take a moment to think about that. Maybe I should go kick the tires, cut my nails, or place my work cloths in the dryer.

You want to know, if my free idea will fix our economy, and if i say yes, that I could live my dream of doing it!

but, if i say no, then life goes on, as we know it now!

I guess that makes me the swing Vote!

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My vote decides afterlife communication, as we know it. A lot of people, did not like how that movie ended, because he did not vote, where people saw a result. I thought he could do a whole movie, on just reading peoples letters.

What would it hurt, for this swing voter, not to tell you everything?

Is it not amazing, how just the other night I saw this movie, and today, I am right where he was, but not for one President, but for all of them.

Don't ask what Tim can do for you, but what can you do for Tim!

What do I want?

To make you happy, but if this option, is not the silver bullet I was hoping for to do that, then I am truly sorry!

With that said, I did do it, and you do know about it!

Nobody can do my inner thoughts, but me, and my inner thoughts!

Fact!

Most people in life, would say no comment, as you use to see on 60 Minutes, all the time.

Just imagine all the topics, we could make, just with one sentence out of any of my threads!

The sky is the limit, and if I could get a penny, for every person, who saids, look up!

Sure look up, and afterlife, will look down at you!

The serious ignored Pandora box of life!

I don't watch CSI, I live it, and you can too, by just questioning everything, and then measuring it, toward your "A" list.

What is important, and what is not.

It's not how much time you do on anything, but how good you do it!

If you have the mind set, that you do agree that people forget, then forget every thing you know, to the file cabinets, of your thoughts, and free your thoughts, to think like people did in the past, and live your legacy, and help me reach mine.

Please fill free to inform me about, what makes you happy, and I have no doubt, that my free idea concept, will make it even better!

You got my words on that, from one cave man to another!

If you are grinning, I'm winning, but if you are sad, then I feel bad, and nobody, can be tougher on me, than I can.

that holds true to you as well, and that is why I always take full responsibility for my actions.

Now why do I inform, as though kids are reading this?

Because one day, they will!

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What does that mean for you?

I might be able to provide you, with a better quality of living in the afterlife, just in case it turns out, like a normal near death out of body experience.

Just a thought,

Tim Brewer

P.S. If you get a chance, check out my profile, on the Forum, and let me know what you think of it.

Tim, please provide a straight answer (with no pictures) to the following question:

Have you ever been diagnosed with, or examined in connection with any kind of psychiatric, psychological or mental disorder, illness or condition?

Tim,

As we've described, the problem is not that we are not open minded... because I was completely open-minded to your idea, but you simply danced around my questions and points provided.

Unfortunately you are citing yourself as high and mighty as the Wright Brothers, Edison, etc. The thing is, they provided proof and analysis of why it was possible, but they were ignored. Here, everyone is open to questioning you and waiting for you to provide something, and you have not done that.

I have understood a bit more of what you want to do with BrainGate by leaving it on after death. However it detects neurological activity, if any detections are made wouldn't it be from the surges going through a body after you die? If a person dies and their spirit is somewhere in that same room, how does that spirit still control it's old body? In the afterlife you would have zero control over your old body again, because your body is reliant on the other parts of the body. Your "spirit" is simply using the body while the body can maintain itself. Once the body is gone I doubt the spirit can be detected using the dead body in which it no longer controls.

However your idea might solve another problem. Many people in the past have been pronounced dead, and were not actually dead but "came back to life". There were many instances of people being buried alive after being pronounced dead falsely. Your idea may be able to detect the neurological signals needed to confirm if someone is dead or alive.

Hmm, we could do with that at work ;)

In all seriousness, I have worked with many people who have, shall we say, experimented, with many magical elements, and the one that most people tend to steer clear of is OBEs, not at all recommended unless you have loads of experience working with the elements AND experienced friends right beside you while you do it. Not that I'm an expert in OBEs, simply passing on hearsay.

oumahexi

I have done the OBE once with Alpha thinking and it occurred accidenatally and I shit myself and rushed back in:D

I was looking down at my body and in perhaps a couple of seconds I felt as if I was leaving for good.

About 30 years ago I did a 3 day course on Alpha but I have only ever managed to get to that state a few times. I either bounce to full awake or go to sleep.

One of my regrets is the few times I managed it I programmed myself for some simple things to see the result rather than something that would have been useful. But it definitely works, no question about that, if you can do it.

Actually I think Tim is doing a good job in convincing us that Americans are actually cranks and weird.

Bearing in mind he is American, he's convincing many of us that what we read and see about the majority of Americans having "therapy" or having an in house psychiatrist is true. He certainly must have one - and maybe visit on a daily basis.

It's nice that he responded to my comment about long threads, then he posts one a record 14 mousewheel scrolls long - what a pillock!

Col

would you not try it again then?





I try quite often and in fact have been trying a lot in the last week or so.

I think the ideal would be if it could be done sitting as that would probably prevent going to sleep but I can't even come close while sitting.

skeptical (is that the correct spelling Colin? one of the reasons I love you so much is that I don't need to worry about spell checking :D)

No, and I love you too.:)

Col

oumahexi

I have done the OBE once with Alpha thinking and it occurred accidenatally and I shit myself and rushed back in:D

So that's what an out of body experience is, I have one everyday, more when I was preparing for my colonoscopy.

Brian

Tim,

As we've described, the problem is not that we are not open minded... because I was completely open-minded to your idea, but you simply danced around my questions and points provided.

Unfortunately you are citing yourself as high and mighty as the Wright Brothers, Edison, etc. The thing is, they provided proof and analysis of why it was possible, but they were ignored. Here, everyone is open to questioning you and waiting for you to provide something, and you have not done that.

I have understood a bit more of what you want to do with BrainGate by leaving it on after death. However it detects neurological activity, if any detections are made wouldn't it be from the surges going through a body after you die? If a person dies and their spirit is somewhere in that same room, how does that spirit still control it's old body? In the afterlife you would have zero control over your old body again, because your body is reliant on the other parts of the body. Your "spirit" is simply using the body while the body can maintain itself. Once the body is gone I doubt the spirit can be detected using the dead body in which it no longer controls.

However your idea might solve another problem. Many people in the past have been pronounced dead, and were not actually dead but "came back to life". There were many instances of people being buried alive after being pronounced dead falsely. Your idea may be able to detect the neurological signals needed to confirm if someone is dead or alive.

Good questions DevastatioN,

I would rather inform people about what you are asking, than promote my self any day.

Since your thread is already long, I will try and explain more information, in my next thread.

Tim, please provide a straight answer (with no pictures) to the following question:

Have you ever been diagnosed with, or examined in connection with any kind of psychiatric, psychological or mental disorder, illness or condition?

No!

As far as I am aware of, nobody on either side of my parents family tree, has had any psychiatric, psychological, or mental disorder.

After rereading that last post of his, this is definitely a wind-up.
The guy's sitting somewhere boasting to friends about how he's typing gibberish into an online forum and stringing people along with it.

I don't think he's mentally disturbed, as the posts might suggest, it's all an act.

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It's the act of trying to make our country better, and what is wrong with that?

I am just trying to explain it better, as I take natural criticism.

What is wrong with that, other than it waste a lot of time.

I never grew up thinking that I would ever have to be good with writing.

Don't believe me, just get on the Internet, and check out some of my old stuff. I even use spell check now. Jut imagine what you could train me, if we could communicate forever!




I originally took Carpentry, because my Grand Father did that type of stuff, and I respected him for that.

"The thing is, they provided proof and analysis of why it was possible, but they were ignored. Here, everyone is open to questioning you and waiting for you to provide something, and you have not done that."

I have, but I have done it in different ways, at different places, on the Internet.

What would you like to know?

Will I explain it, with all type of fancy science or medical words?

No!

Can I give you google images, of everything we will need, to make my free idea work?

Not all of it.


So you are into neurons

http://www.bruceeisner.com/photos/uncategorized/neurons.jpg

Afterlife are not.

Potential out of body afterlife, are inside something, base on my experience.

What does a potential out of body afterlife look like?

:D

Did you see the little green happy face guy?

It's the next step up, from the little yellow guy, and yes, afterlife will be able to use any image they like, when they start using the Internet.

Back to my detail point.

We know that some monitors, are made up with pixels.

We know that there is an inside, to every pixel, just like there is an inside to everything.

Even though, through my comments, i will talk about being inside something, like a pixel. I still was free to move around, by thought, almost like this green happy face above. Now the green happy face, can not move at will, because it is made up of nothing with intelligence, that can be measured, but if the little green face guy, could move around, at will,
Then this is a good way of explaining it.

In potential afterlife, as in out of body situations. you are actually clear, but to give you a feel for what it was like, it felt internally about the size, and shape of a golf ball, or baseball.

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You know that you are inside something, just like you know you are inside something now.


I'm trying to give you different, ways of looking at it.

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The image above, is big and bulky, like what we have now, but all of that equipment is lost.

Now you are inside a orb, like the potential one in the picture.

Have you ever seen one of these orbs, on one of those ghost hunter shows?

You know the ones that don't move around, like lint in the air.

They almost look like they can not slow down, but that was not the case, in my experience.

I was in control of my orb, for now example.

You also noticed some things, while you are in this experience, that you never noticed in your human body.

You notice that you are inside something, as you are now, but you might imagine some skull and fletch might be keeping your inner thoughts confined, and at bay, but that is not the case, in the out of body experience.

Now, I will list some of the limitations, I had, while in that experience.

No hearing

No talking

No body, other than something, like that orb, in the picture above.

No more chance of talking, than any one of my images.

The reason we are going over all this now, so you can get a better picture, of what it is like.

You can not talk

You can not hear

You can not smell

You can not taste

I will be back!








Anything is possible, after we interact with afterlife.



Potential

Anything can be measured in space, if you know it is there, and if there, is worth the effort, or not.

Does the cost of my option, fall in your budget?

In this thread, we will use the example orb below, as our potential trained, afterlife Brain Gate patient.

The other orb picture, might effect my afterlife topic, in some way, but who has the time, to go down that road right now.

http://www.parkridgebaptist.org.au/Images/HHH/orbs6.jpg

How about this one?

How big can a healthy afterlife get?

So many questions, so little time!

How would you like me to measure, that they are here?

I explained my near death out of body experience, as that of an orb, from the inside out.

I was able to do that, based on my experience.

Just in that statement alone, qualifies me, as a leading candidate, for more research, in this field of science.

How can I say that?

The same as the guy building the car port.

He has already experience in his thoughts, everything he will need to build that carport.

Science don't have to question his intent, but allow him the chance to build it.

Science does this all the time.

They explain on things you buy, what the down side is, because you need to know.

How can you tell that potential out of body afterlife, are discriminated against?

They are not allowed, my option.

What if I went in a near death out of body experience, and met another afterlife, and he or she informed me through thought, that this option is possible. what weight would that have?

For one, I would not do that, because i d not believe you will ever see one, but I could be wrong, if that makes you feel better.

Believe it or not, but it is healthy, to interact, about this option.

There is no right, or wrong question, statement, answer, or result, about this option, at this time.

It's like finding out something is broken in your house, and you already know the name brand, of the company you are going to use, to replace it.

It don't work that way, because we are interacting, through paradigms, that can find solutions, through other options, not even considered today.

This is not a test, where I nail a couple of questions right, and then we base our decision off of that.

This will be a field trip, that all of us, can take.

Are these afterlife orbs, extra special, because they can be noticed?

Even though I felt I was in one, does not make it a fact, but for the price of my experiment, what would it hurt to try.

Is it the camera, the light, or the fact that afterlife can make an image present, if they decide too do so!

I don't know, but maybe they can tell us!

Who knows, at this point, unless you and the orb, is on the same page, to begin with.

The first thing we will do, is make sure, that all directions, for this experiment, will not be fuzzy!

Now once, we have an actual trained Brain Gate patient in place, then we allow them, the chance, to see if there internal energy, can do some different experiments.

The sensor box, that will be open for testing above the monitor, for testing as well, will go through a list of options, that were thought out a head of time.

Like the clear water space sensor test, but not before, we try easier test first.

Now we do not need to try the different water test, if an easier option works first, like just letting the internal sensor dangle by the ceiling, on a low budget experiment, if you like.

Did we hit the light bulb, on the first try?

No!

It is not my place, at this time, to say exactly what experiment will work, or which one you want to try, because there will be so many good options, when we get to that point.

How many connections, does a single stand of glass cable need, and look what it can provide.

Some must think that afterlife just float around, trying everything they can, to communicate with us, at will.

Believe it or not, but if there was afterlife people. they would have emotions, just like we do, when we are having a near death experience.

If that is the case, you would probably find them closer to home!

http://crystal-life.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hawaii-orb-2.jpg

If one can do it, we can teach all of them to do it!

My experiment is based on taking a trained person on Brain Gate, informing them, where the Brain Gate machine will be set up at, and after they die. Allow them the opportunity, to try our experiments.

We will even asked them, to take an orb picture as well.

What would it hurt?

We are taking an internal sensor, of brain gate, out of our trained Brain Gate patients head, and placing, that same sensor now, above there afterlife head.

What is an afterlife head?

The outside of an orb.


The outer sensor, will now be placed, in an angle, above the room, too compliment the Brain Gate monitor, that the potential, Pandora box, trained Brain Gate patients will try.

They will have the chance to know of the experiment, and be given a chance, to bring their "A" game.

Some people go to haunted houses, to explore this type of stuff, when now, they can come, to one good location.

We make a point, to stock this lake of space, with the best, that we can offer!

I have no problem that we can get to the science of measuring to energy, but my results, are when that energy, talks back!

Science knows what energy is made of, but they don't know, what is on the outer side, of that invisible force curtain.

The only way we can know for sure, is if we allow them the chance to dance.

Not around, as some feel i do with this topic, but in your face, with all the thought friction we used, as Brain Gate patients.

Our goal, is to set up the field of dreams, that these trained Brain Gate Patients will be playing at.

A stadium, that is focused on them, and nothing else, if you would like.

Will afterlife Brain Gate patients, have the right stuff, to make some type of measurement. As a result, of their past training, on Brain Gate?

Even if science, don't have the outer neurons, of your inner energy, to measure any more. they still might have something else.

Science did tell me this, early on, with my topic.

Regardless right now, if I can show no proof, that it is possible, don't mean it can't happen.

They base that answer, on luck!

The luck of Murphy Law!

Even if a person, in the situation, i am claiming, can give no proof, that his experiment will work, other than relying on advancement of science, experience, tools, plan, training, and everything else you need to do, to bring anything to market, as in the field we are exploring.

Anything is possible, as anything might not be possible.

Example:

Imagine the first radio took for ever to build, and it was way over budget, based on our standards, at that time, but we continue to try and make it work.

We finally decide, after costly delays, to give it one more try.

Even though, we understand the radio now, or maybe even when it was made.

We did not know anything, until we tried it.

Now what if, they designed a radio, with no way, to check other signals?

They tried their experiment, set only on one signal, where ever that might be, on the AM dial.

Do they hit pay dirt, right off the bat, or do they need a little adjustment?

My lucky idea, is based on the fact, that we are placing, our best option, out there to be tested.

Us!

Nobody can do anything, better than we can, when we place our measurable thoughts to it.

If you want to interact, with the inner energy, then you have to think, like inner energy.

You become what you associate with.

Do you have to do it all the time?

No, but it would not hurt to observe, as though you are a ghost, and think about my option more.


There is a lot of things, that we both don't know, until we try.

What if i was able to interact with present afterlife, and there orb is next to my aura right now, and all of them, are saying, that they don't know either, if it will work, or if Tim, will stop being lazy, and go back and check my thread better, for mistakes, but they can only do so much, just like us, because we truly would be in this, all together.

What if the show ghost Whisper, is wrong, and people don't go into the light, as it dos help to end a show, and keep labor in line.


I have no doubt, we could easily, find even more reasons, why we should do this, besides just a few, you, and I have listed, over the years.

A lot of people like to watch, those unsolved mysteries, then why not try it, with my free idea concept?

What would it hurt, to try something, that don't need approval from science for, because they are considered dead anyway, and if the option is free, to try, then why not do it, if it can help to answer a lot of questions, and fix a lot of problems.

I will be back!

http://www.oneinhundred.com/upfiles/upimg7/Four-color-process-poker-chips-5707437.jpg

Have you not heard, that everything has been said before?

Why is that not the case with my free idea?

"Poker chip, poker chip, in the sky.
Is this not the place, where afterlife lie?
Should you be so lucky, to take up a place, where everything is possible, if you can dream, of this place!"

I thought my friends of the north, liked the movie National Treasure, one and two.

What is wrong, with my adventure?

What is wrong, with throwing focused thought, toward this option?

Some believe, that they have to get it, before it is possible, and that they need to inform me, that they don't get it.

I'm sorry, if some of you decide, what ever you decide, but we don't need science to try my free idea.

All we need is one patient willing to try it, with, or with out, previous, or future training on Brain Gate.

All this option needs, is for one Brain gate patient to say.

I was on the Internet the other day, and i read some stuff, about this Tim guy, and i would like to try his option.

That is one way, to get it started, and here is a front door way as well.

Say you want it as well, because you see no reason, why it would hurt.

Why place your self in a hotel, where everybody checks in, but nobody ever checks out, if you can do better?

Don't you remember, every day there for a while, science was promising this, or that, and they lead you on to believe, that some of this stuff, might not happen in our life time.

That is not the case, with my option. We could start today, and take it from there.

On your mark, get set, and go!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42737000/jpg/_42737391_pa416monopoly.jpg

Einstein did not know is own phone number, and he did not believe, that God played dice!

Even though he knew, where he could get his phone number, he could not ever understand tiny particles, that make up life, as we know it,

I, as well, hold the same phone rule, when it comes to our memory, but when it comes to dice.

I see my dice, totally different, than the way Albert Einstein, saw his.

I see mine, from the inside out, and thanks to my imagination, that Mr. Einstein endorsed as well.

I believe I am right!

If I was the golden child, and was in this state of mind, when people like Edison, and Einstein was around, and they allowed me the chance, to mentor with them, as we focused on my topic.

I believe, that they would believe, that the luck option, is a good reason to try this free idea.

Edison already believed in it, and Albert had no problem with Edison one percent of imagination, and me, what could I had learned from them, if given the chance.

What about Bill Gates?

What does he think about my option?

When it comes to afterlife communication options.

I believe you are better off with my free brand, than what you are being offered now.

Please fill free not to try my idea, if that works for you, but for the rest of you.

What email can you send to Oprah, Mr. Gates, or any place else. that can help to make this option happen?

You don't have to tell me about it, just do it!

Here is a perfect phone script you can use.

Dear __________

Hi, my name is __________, and could you do me a favor, and see if there is anything to this Tim Brewer guy or not.

Is Tim Brewer crazy, or is he on to something, in a strange kind of way.

Please check it out, and let me know.

Now I can sleep better, because I placed it in somebody Else's corner, to worry about.

I could go either way, on Tim's idea, but I don't see nothing wrong in him being allowed to try it, just in case he his right.

He does make some good points, every now, and again.

Maybe somebody else can make heads or tails of this, because i never have been real lucky, but if Tim is right, and my email, does help him, then was it not my effort after all, that changed, life as we know it.

some seam to think that Tim, is strange, like this thread, is not a perfect example, but i have no doubt, that Tim will act better on the Oprah show, than Tom cruise.

If you do not believe me, then please fill free to ask, Oprah, to have Tom, on the same show I am on.

I will prove it, on the show!

Reality TV, at it's finest, and if I am wrong, then please fill free to place me on the Jerry Springer show, and allow the worst one they have out there, that like to hurt people, and let them at me. Keep the bouncers at bay, if you like.

Allow me the chance, to hit you with my best shot, and if I can not keep my word, then hit me with yours!

http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/tvradio/slideshow/tv_meltdowns/img_6.jpg

http://blog.canoe.ca/mediam/jerry-springer.jpg

What would it hurt to see all of them?

What if I am right?

Are you willing to try the free idea, if you know it works?

I won't even make you go on any shows, if you don't want too!

I'm sorry that I am not Joe the plumber, willing to give it all back to President Obama, in the wrong way, but i do learn from my mistakes, and i do see the simple of everything, based on my experience with life, and sure people like me look crazy, as we try and talk out, our speed of light inner thought energy, but that is just the way life is.

There will always be somebody like me, that will want to go up a head, as others want to stay back, until they are mentally ready.

It is not the fact, that we could try my idea. We could of done it many times over today, if we wanted too.

I believe the problem is, excepting the fact, that we don't live in a vacuum, and there are threats toward us everyday, and we can not afford, to ignore this option anymore.

How about, Tim the pizza guy?

You could even place me on those food shows.

You would have a riot, watching me on a morning show, with Regis, and, is it Kathy Lee?

What else on TV, right now, is any better?

I see it, do you?

Give people the chance, to entertain the idea now, with entertainment, and all the while, get the free idea going.

What would it hurt?

__________________________

Don't tell me how we have always done it, when history has shown on many occasion, that problems, can be solved, with just plain luck!

I believe, if any person, don't get my concept yet, they lack in imagination, and that is not there fault.

It's a lot, for anybody, to take in, all at one time.

For people, who believe they can actually have a near death experience, based on anything other than a near death experience, or possible death, is nothing but different shades of green with me.

I have no doubt, that your inner thoughts, could entertain you, into believing, you are having an actual out of body experience, but regardless if you are, or not.

It can be done, naturally!

My free idea concept, is still more important than that, and so much more,

Quick review:

I love the edit button. I have no problem if anybody, who cares about this option, would like to explain different sections of my topic, better than I did. Please fill free to step right in there and change it, if you would like. i have no problem, with you explaining it, the way you see it, or the way, you feel others should see it. Please fill free to include all the drama you want, if that makes you feel better.

No!

As far as I am aware of, nobody on either side of my parents family tree, has had any psychiatric, psychological, or mental disorder.

So you're the first then.

Col

Been on the funny fags again Barry? That can give you an out-of-body experience.

Col
Who? Me? :eek:


It will be at exactly 3:15:27 am on February 15th 2086

Brian

And we'll all be there to see it:D

No!

As far as I am aware of, nobody on either side of my parents family tree, has had any psychiatric, psychological, or mental disorder.

Thanks. Next question: Is English your first language?

I believe, if any person, don't get my concept yet, they lack in imagination, and that is not there fault.If a small number of people didn't understand you - and those people had general difficulties in understanding other things and other people, you would be right.

If everybody doesn't understand you, and all those people mostly manage to understand each other and understand other things tolerably well, then the problem lies squarely with you and/or the thing you're trying to explain.

I think it starts to look as though you're being deliberately obscure, for some reason.

Thanks for answering my thoughts and questions in depth. Those last long posts actually made more sense to me than anything previous.

So you wish to use the braingate device to measure things, because as an "afterlife orb" you cannot hear, speak, communicate etc. Only see. So for you, your trying to use a device that can detect and allow communication to any afterlife orb, whereas currently there is no possible way for communication.

I am still not 100% sure on what you believe you can hook the BrainGate up to however, you wish to keep it attached to the dead body, but what about these orbs that have been around for a long time, or after the body decomposes etc.

Another thought, there are apparently many cases where spirits etc. have had contact with humans, in which they could speak and hear. Is there a different between your orb example, and these examples? Why in your case you could not hear and talk, but others could?

Please let me know if I'm on the right track of your thinking.

Thanks for answering my thoughts and questions in depth. Those last long posts actually made more sense to me than anything previous.

So you wish to use the Brain Gate device to measure things, because as an "afterlife orb" you cannot hear, speak, communicate etc. Only see. So for you, your trying to use a device that can detect and allow communication to any afterlife orb, whereas currently there is no possible way for communication.

I am still not 100% sure on what you believe you can hook the Brain Gate up to however, you wish to keep it attached to the dead body, but what about these orbs that have been around for a long time, or after the body decomposes etc.

Another thought, there are apparently many cases where spirits etc. have had contact with humans, in which they could speak and hear. Is there a different between your orb example, and these examples? Why in your case you could not hear and talk, but others could?

Please let me know if I'm on the right track of your thinking.


You are getting better, but no dead bodies.

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/eurofase_ether_ceiling_light.jpg

Imagine for a moment, that this image above, is our outer Brain Gate sensor, and the balls below it. Is our floating, trained afterlife, Brain Gate patients orbs.

Angeling there self down, from the top of the sensor, so a couple of them, can play on the monitor, as the other orbs watch!

http://www.mndl.hu/files/pong.jpg

Crystal clear - now it all makes sense! Nurse! Nurse! :rolleyes:

OK, you want to have a BrainGate left open for the orbs to use.

This does come back to what someone earlier said, that's not really what the BrainGate does, it won't be able to detect an orb because it detects neurons, this orbs wouldn't have neurons that exist in our plane, or dimension.

However you can prolly adapt multiple machines to see what you can pickup. In essense he's trying to use a device that can detect the afterlife, and allow them an easy way to communicate. A device that can pickup possible afterlife wavelengths and signals.

It's really not that crazy if you think about it in that regard. I just don't think the BrainGate is the device that will do it, but maybe something similar derived from it.

Tim: Care to respond to my point about some orbs being able to hear/talk etc. Also, is there any consistency in all these OBE about the hearing and talking? Does everyone experience the exact same OBE senses?

Is there any evidence that these orbs actually exist, outside of:

--Photographs, where the huge majority of them are explainable as lens flare, dirt on the lens, airborne motes, etc.

--Sensationalist TV programmes about orbs, of dubious scientific rigour

??

Crystal clear - now it all makes sense! Nurse! Nurse! :rolleyes:
I'm getting negative waves from you down here barry, your aura's obviously strong:eek::D