Sorry this is a joke ..This shows that if you got money you can get away with anything - this is disgusting and reflects very badly on the US legal system .

And I am not one to to start slagging the Yanks off , but my god
talk about a corrupt system

this is a disgrace, on a society of the free and equal
g

this is disgusting and reflects very badly on the US legal system .
Unfortunately this has been this way, for the most part, for as long as I know. If you are "well-known," and have the financial resources to hire high-powered lawyers, you get the "First Class" treatment. Believe me, it sickens a lot of us but apparently not enough.

:mad:

You know me Bob - not one to be anti - American
but my god this really does take the Piss .

THe law should of come down hard on a celeb - to show that they are not above the law

some of the judges have done this in the past and this has come accross well
but this

What's a person to do? I think there's a lot of power behind the entertainment industry and, while you can get some that aren't swayed by it, a lot of the judicial and law-enforcement (and it appears in Southern California greatly) are just puppets of the studios. That's not to say all of them are, but at least my perception based off of previous incidents would point that direction; a form of corruption, eh?

Don't buy her stuff - i know you buy her perfume(only kidding)-

No, I like the handbags :D

FREE AT LAST!
There is nothing better in America than being rich and famous. Just ask O.J. Simpson. To celebrate her release, Paris will probably be going out tonight to get drunk... and drive home. :eek:
This must be a proud day in the State of California, with every precedent in law there is a lesson learned, and the ramifications in regards to repeat DUI offense convictions are astounding!!! MADD load your guns!

In the UK she would never have got convicted the fisrt time!! Nevermind a repeat offence and jail.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1936326,00.html

C'mon guys. I'm sure she learned her lesson. :rolleyes:

C'mon guys. I'm sure she learned her lesson. :rolleyes:

As has Robert Downey Junior ...um, I guess bad example :D

C'mon guys. I'm sure she learned her lesson. :rolleyes:

Learnt - hell no, Rich bitch incapable of learning , all she can do is buy stuff , does not value anything or anyone. this might of been an ideal time for her to learn a life lesson, but what has she learnt , mommies/daddies money got her out of trouble(again)

those that are born into money and spolit I am afraid don't value anything , those that earn it - good luck to them and they value it and other people, when i did student work - bars, waitering, chef-ing . those that earnt their wealth were always polite and thankful those that inhertited looked down at you as if you were scum, (there were a few exceptions) - but this littel girl (as she is not a woman) will continue with her emptyhead nothingness , and she has very littel to say , there bound to be a book about her expereinces and hows shes a changed person , bollocks!"! she should of done her time, or be put in a mental institute, for the duration
It really anoys me that justice has not been done (I would have been equally anoyed if it had happend here in the UK - )
I ramble - no.. I rant
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As has Robert Downey Junior ...um, I guess bad example :D

Ha, I forgot about him... :D

Mister Less Than Zero himself.

there bound to be a book about her expereinces and hows shes a changed person

Accompanied by a new album filled with "songs" inspired by the hard time she served with hardened criminals and other nefarious types. :D

Learnt - hell no, Rich bitch

There's no capital R in this instance of rich, Gary, hell it could be taken to mean something else:eek: :D

Sorry Rich, but she not just rich , she RICH
you know me and my grammer/spelling - kinda way out there.
but apolgises again Rich.

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I don't think there'll be a book. I don't think Paris Hilton fans can read.

Paris will never be as cool an ex con as Martha Stewart...;)

I know I have hit on this before about celebs being held accountable for their actions, but will say again. all this is going to tell our children and those daft enough to think this twit is a celebrity, so she got caught on tape having sex thats her claim to celebrity, because I can almost guarantee that film has outsold all of her "legitimate" work combined. all it tells our children is that because she has money and a famous name she is not to be held responsible for her actions. ok so her publicist didn't tell her that she couldn't drive drunk on a suspended license, its not her fault she violated her probation by breaking the law and driving while drunk or without her headlights on in the middle of the night while speeding.


ok starting to ramble and rant will leave now

I think this story is brilliant, the TV and media are having a field day here ripping apart the USA and making the USA (yet again) a laughing stock of the world.

Why is it that she can get out after 3 days after being found guilty, when those in Guantanamo are there years without trial, just for looking 'suspicious'

There's no doubt, this episode with Ms Hilton has yet again set the USA right back as a corrupt country where money talks and the justice system is a two tier system that is a total joke.

I think its brilliant - you don't need "USA bashers", you do it so much better yourselves:D

Can't wait for the next USA episode.

Col

Ah but wait, she might have to go back to jail for a few more hours because the judge hasn't had his cut:rolleyes:

so is there outrage about this in the US? or is it accepted as the norm?

Col

not just "yes", but "HELL YES". In fact, she's received a summons and will be going back to jail after enough people screamed in disgust.

not just "yes", but "HELL YES". In fact, she's received a summons and will be going back to jail after enough people screamed in disgust.

Its certainly big news here. More because its America being typical America rather than Ms Hilton herself.

But if you've got money you can do this in the USA - the president did it to avoid a posting to Vietnam, O.J. did it to avoid a murder charge and I daresay Phil Spector will get off too.

Col

... O.J. did it to avoid a murder charge ...Easy, now... "If it don't fit you must acquit", remember?:rolleyes:

maybe we can update that to "If she throws a fit, no jail for the nitwit" :eek:

"If shes an heiress, you cant keep her under duress"

This is a family forum Paul:rolleyes:

Col

:confused: Looks like Ive been censored.

How did "nitwit" survive the censorship.

Im with all yall on this one. She is a discusting human being..... and because she didnt eat for 3 days she gets out?

hell ghandi didnt eat for a lot longer than that

If a headache is torment, her freedom is imminent. :rolleyes:

This is so ridiculous. Our judicial system deserves to be laughed at over this one. :rolleyes: Hopefully the judge will put it right again.

just coming in on this one - I think the judge is fuming on this - as there were sepcifics in the sentance - no home arrest ...

the judge is pissed off - i think he (or she) knows that there has been a back hander here, and i hope someone loses their job over this - its a disgrace and i am glad to hear that The americans are equally pissed at this .
side note George micheal - kinda got away with it , so i could be held up to double standards myself on this one.

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This is so ridiculous. Our judicial system deserves to be laughed at over this one. :rolleyes:
Sadly Cindy, Ms Hilton has highlighted that what we all thought the USA is like - it's actually true.

To be honest, I'm not that familiar with what Ms Hilton actually does - I know she hangs about with Ms Spears, I've seen the pictures of them both exposing themselves getting out of cars - is she running the Hilton empire? has she a job? or just a spoilt rich kid.

Col

Sadly Cindy, Ms Hilton has highlighted that what we all thought the USA is like - it's actually true.
Col

That's like me saying that Prince Harry wearing a swastika highlights "what we all thought about the UK is like - it's actually true." Using the example of some privileged person who does something idiotic as a typical example of an entire population...meh, I won't go into what a spurious line of argument that is. As an example of the rich getting away with something that someone less well off would have been jailed for, it's sad and frustrating but it's hardly news.

And no, I don't really think all Britons are secret Nazi sympathizers because of an incredibly stupid thing one of the Royals did...

That's like me saying that Prince Harry wearing a swastika highlights "what we all thought about the UK is like - it's actually true." Using the example of some privileged person who does something idiotic as a typical example of an entire population...meh, I won't go into what a spurious line of argument that is. As an example of the rich getting away with something that someone less well off would have been jailed for, it's sad and frustrating but it's hardly news.

And no, I don't really think all Britons are secret Nazi sympathizers because of an incredibly stupid thing one of the Royals did...

Prince Harry was at a fancy dress party and as usual, my comment has been misinterpreted, and your analagy with Prince Harry is evidence of that. I'll spell it out in simple English for you.

Your judicial system is corrupt and Ms Hilton has highlighted that what we all suspected is actually true - it is corrupt.
We see it in your films - but are told it's "only Hollywood" and not to believe it, however I'm under the impression this is real life and not a Hollywood film.

Col

In the UK she would never have got convicted the first time!! Nevermind a repeat offence and jail.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1936326,00.html

So this isn't real life? I wasn't saying there's not a serious problem with a judicial system that allows someone to buy their way out of jail. What does bother me is your constant implication that the problem is unique to the US.

Now, Col...you've been a good boy most of the day, why start singing that old chestnut now?

So this isn't real life? I wasn't saying there's not a serious problem with a judicial system that allows someone to buy their way out of jail. What does bother me is your constant implication that the problem is unique to the US.

A lawyer who uses his skills and encyclopaedic knowledge to win cases "Generally, Mr Freeman relies on oversights by police officers during the legal process and his own encyclopaedic knowledge of road traffic regulations and procedures. In some cases he has identified discrepancies in the evidence of police officers or shortcomings in procedures leading to charges during cross-examination. Often he has simply established that inadequate warnings were given prior to blood or breath tests being taken.
is not the same as paying backhanders as in the Ms Hilton shambles. If the legal process is not conducted properly then he spots it.

Ms Hilton was jailed for 40 odd days and was magically released after 3 days - tell me the similarity.

Col

Now, Col...you've been a good boy most of the day, why start singing that old chestnut now?

I suppose you'll be saying this is not typical next:rolleyes: like the cops pulling guns.

Col

As an example of the rich getting away with something that someone less well off would have been jailed for, it's sad and frustrating but it's hardly news.

Being deployed to Iraq you mean? :confused:

Being deployed to Iraq you mean? :confused:

Nothing like the same, and you know it

I suppose you'll be saying this is not typical next:rolleyes: ...Not at all! This is quite typical of your attitude and conduct :rolleyes:

Not at all! This is quite typical of your attitude and conduct :rolleyes:

Don't you just mean educated?:rolleyes:

Don't you just mean educated?:rolleyes:
uh......no

The Paris Hilton debacle is appalling, but serriously Rich and Col do you believe that we are all equal under the law here, even taking the Freeman case mentioned earlier can you afford him? if not, and I seriously doubt it, then the fact that the lawyer makes a difference answers the question.

Brian

uh......no

But that's odd because when we've pointed out how riddled America is with injustice we're branded anti-American etc.etc

The Paris Hilton debacle is appalling, but serriously Rich and Col do you believe that we are all equal under the law here, even taking the Freeman case mentioned earlier can you afford him? if not, and I seriously doubt it, then the fact that the lawyer makes a difference answers the question.

Brian

But this isn't about a lawyer, Hilton was sent to jail by a judge, the district sheriff's dept. let her out. Just who runs America?

uh......no
so you're saying I'm not educated?:mad: and what the hell would you know about my education?

Col

so you're saying I'm not educated?:mad: and what the hell would you know about my education?about as much as you know about my experiences, beliefs, safety, political ideology, sexual orientation, oil consumption, and global viewpoint as an American...smartass:rolleyes:

Just who runs America?
The love of money, guns and oil - 3 things most close to an Americans heart

Col

smartass:rolleyes:

Name calling? resorting to Ken's old trick now - normal USA procedure.

Col

I can't hang around here all night - I've got a chinky waiting for me

Col

Just who runs America?
The people pulling Bush's strings.

Note atleast I answered the question, one can never expect that from some posters.

Brian

Name calling? resorting to Ken's old trick now - normal USA procedure.

smartass
A person who, by means of purpsose or not, uses sarcasm to have a laugh. A person who, on a regular bases, annoys the hell out of people with their sarcastic-attitude.
That's not name calling, you wonderful little ray of sunshine:cool:

But that's odd because when we've pointed out how riddled America is with injustice we're branded anti-American etc.etc

Actually it's when you imply that only America is flawed and use hypocritical examples to prove your point that you're considered to have gone beyond honest criticism and entered the realm of being a raving twit...

Though to remind you, I've already covered what labels I would use for you if I were the type to label, which I'm not. "Sockpuppet" is starting to sound like a good candidate too....

But that's odd because when we've pointed out how riddled America is with injustice we're branded anti-American etc.etc

If America is so unjust, what's wrong with being against it :confused:

Whoo hoo! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19102663/) I guess Col and Rich will have to find something else to rant about. They can't seem to find anything in the UK worth mentioning. :rolleyes: ;)

Whoo hoo! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19102663/) I guess Col and Rich will have to find something else to rant about. They can't seem to find anything in the UK worth mentioning. :rolleyes: ;)

Whoo there, neither of us actually started this thread. I also noted several pages back that she was to be returned to the court. I note however that Sheriff Lee Baca was not held in contempt by the court, how odd:confused: :rolleyes:
Now as for not talking about the UK, we regularly pass comment on injustice here, the prime case being Bliar, his policies, and in particular his aim of turning the UK into the US and using the so-called terrorist threat to bring in Bush's draconian measures here. I've often commented that he's as big a twat as Bush as regular viewers will know:rolleyes:

Actually it's when you imply that only America is flawed and use hypocritical examples to prove your point that you're considered to have gone beyond honest criticism and entered the realm of being a raving twit...

Though to remind you, I've already covered what labels I would use for you if I were the type to label, which I'm not. "Sockpuppet" is starting to sound like a good candidate too....

You miss the point that your leader keeps coming on MY t.v. claiming to be the leader of freedom and democracy around the world, with Gitmo and statute of limitations, do me a favour, if that makes me a raving twit in your eyes, guess who needs help. Where's the hypocrisy by the way?

I note however that Sheriff Lee Baca was not held in contempt by the court, how odd:confused: :rolleyes:

Has that been decided? If so, it is odd.

Now as for not talking about the UK, we regularly pass comment on injustice here

I seem to remember an occasional odd comment here or there. ;) I won't bore you with doing a count of American comments vs. UK comments. :D

Has that been decided? If so, it is odd.


I'm sure it was just ignored by the judge

I seem to remember an occasional odd comment here or there. ;) I won't bore you with doing a count of American comments vs. UK comments. :D

Well of course, there's a lot more of you and a lot more work to do:p :D

Well of course, there's a lot more of you and a lot more work to do:p :D

Well now, don't you work yourself to death. You just take a nice little vacation and I'm sure things will bump along just fine. :D

Well now, don't you work yourself to death. You just take a nice little vacation and I'm sure things will bump along just fine. :D

I can't afford to be vacant:D

You miss the point that your leader keeps coming on MY t.v. claiming to be the leader of freedom and democracy around the world, with Gitmo and statute of limitations, do me a favour, if that makes me a raving twit in your eyes, guess who needs help. Where's the hypocrisy by the way?

I believe the qualifications for being considered a twit were explicitly spelled out in the post quoted ;) The hypocrisy has been pointed out numerous times in the past to no avail, I'm not going to waste my time dredging up links to previous posts just to rehash. "My leader" keeps coming on to your TV?!?!? Dude! There's a couple buttons on the remote control that should really make you a happy camper: the up/down arrow keys change the channel to something else, the mute button turns off the sound and the red button in the corner turns the TV completely off.

Whoo hoo! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19102663/) I guess Col and Rich will have to find something else to rant about. They can't seem to find anything in the UK worth mentioning. :rolleyes: ;)

Do you really say "whoo-hoo" in everyday talking? I thought that was reserved for the cranks at election rallies in the US or the religious cranks in the evangelical holier-than-thou state of Georgia.

Col

I believe the qualifications for being considered a twit were explicitly spelled out in the post quoted ;) The hypocrisy has been pointed out numerous times in the past to no avail, I'm not going to waste my time dredging up links to previous posts just to rehash. "My leader" keeps coming on to your TV?!?!? Dude! There's a couple buttons on the remote control that should really make you a happy camper: the up/down arrow keys change the channel to something else, the mute button turns off the sound and the red button in the corner turns the TV completely off.
well you've obviously mastered the remote, excellent progress. Now get rid of the freak in the white house, install someone decent and we'll all be well impressed.

Col

I believe the qualifications for being considered a twit were explicitly spelled out in the post quoted ;) The hypocrisy has been pointed out numerous times in the past to no avail, I'm not going to waste my time dredging up links to previous posts just to rehash. "My leader" keeps coming on to your TV?!?!? Dude! There's a couple buttons on the remote control that should really make you a happy camper: the up/down arrow keys change the channel to something else, the mute button turns off the sound and the red button in the corner turns the TV completely off.

Dude that's not enough, your leader then pops up on the bloody radio:rolleyes:

Do you really say "whoo-hoo" in everyday talking? I thought that was reserved for the cranks at election rallies in the US or the religious cranks in the evangelical holier-than-thou state of Georgia.

Col

Do you mean me specifically or all Americans? :D Seriously, when I say it it's usually as a joking reference to Homer Simpson.

Do you mean me specifically or all Americans? :D Seriously, when I say it it's usually as a joking reference to Homer Simpson.

It's usually associated with all Americans but specifically those I mentioned earlier.

Do you "whoop and holler" (sp) in church? like they do on those money making god channels

Col

Now get rid of the freak in the white house, install someone decent and we'll all be well impressed.

I'm sure you'll find something else to focus your attention on... And really, will you ever be impressed by Americans and our political processes? I seem to remember you didn't have anything nice to say when the Democrats took over the House and Senate. :cool:

Dude? isn't that a term for someone sharply dressed, cool and respected?

That definition does fit Rich - I had dinner with him a couple of weeks back


Col

It's usually associated with all Americans but specifically those I mentioned earlier.

Do you "whoop and holler" (sp) in church? like they do on those money making god channels

Col

Me? No. There are churches like that but I don't go to that kind of church. I prefer a more laid back approach, no hand waving or speaking in tongues. ;)

Dude that's not enough, your leader then pops up on the bloody radio:rolleyes:

How did you get blood on your radio? :p

Me? No. There are churches like that but I don't go to that kind of church. I prefer a more laid back approach, no hand waving or speaking in tongues. ;)

What do you speak with then?:confused:

I'm sure you'll find something else to focus your attention on... And really, will you ever be impressed by Americans and our political processes? I seem to remember you didn't have anything nice to say when the Democrats took over the House and Senate. :cool:

Thats because we knew the religious freak would veto anything he couldn't get through by normal channels, so the senate is a waste of space whoever is in there - they have no real power against the warmongering dictator you all voted in twice

Col

How did you get blood on your radio? :p

From my hands after I try and wring its neck:mad: :D

Thats because we knew the religious freak would veto anything he couldn't get through by normal channels, so the senate is a waste of space whoever is in there - they have no real power against the warmongering dictator you all voted in twice

See? That's exactly what I mean. :D

Dude? isn't that a term for someone sharply dressed, cool and respected?

That definition does fit Rich - I had dinner with him a couple of weeks back


Col

I usually take the term Dude to refer to a coloured gentleman dressed as a snapper dealing in drugs

From my hands after I try and wring its neck:mad: :D

I suspected as much. Don't you have hammers over there? :D

Dude? isn't that a term for someone sharply dressed, cool and respected?

That definition does fit Rich - I had dinner with him a couple of weeks back


Col

It meant something like that...back in the 1800's...

You had to wiki dude? Sheesh...:eek:

I suspected as much. Don't you have hammers over there? :D

Few left nowadays, it easier to find the channels on the internet;)

Poor girl (so to speak). She's just misunderstood. Possible compromise: Make Paris Hilton stay 45 days in Waukegan's Best Value Inn (http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g36854-d88073-r7729684-Americas_Best_Value_Inn_Waukegan_North_Chicago-Waukegan_Illinois.html)...

Make Paris Hilton stay 45 days in Waukegan's Best Value Inn (http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g36854-d88073-r7729684-Americas_Best_Value_Inn_Waukegan_North_Chicago-Waukegan_Illinois.html)...

Now that would be just downright inhumane :D

This is great - the judge was right to do this the people have given him/her the power to set sentances
Now i am not one to howl on about this - but her crying and asking for her mother, seems about right as part of the punishiment - had she hit someone how would that person or that persons family feel

doing a bit of time might be the best time for her

as to her state of mind - I would presume that the judge was also aware of this and took this into consideration , -
good on the judge, the sheriff on the other hand

- needs looking into there must of been some backhanders here.

I think enough has been said on this (well by me at least)
She will do her time - and then she can go back to doing whatever she does- my view on her means little - as she has little impact on me other than this sentence

i don't wish her harm, and hope that this helps her out of her shallow exisitances and gives her a bit more depth ..

g

Now that would be just downright inhumane :D

Yes, no doubt. OK, then, if she cooks and cleans she can use a spare bedroom at my place for 45 days...assuming Mrs. Pono signs off on the deal...

if she cooks and cleans

I would say that's highly doubtful. She probably doesn't even know what a sponge is, unless of course, it's a loofah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luffa).

I would say that's highly doubtful. She probably doesn't even know what a sponge is, unless of course, it's a loofah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luffa).

A loofah for a loafer? That's lovely.

Plan C: She can stay at my place if she does some coding. I assume she's a bright bulb...

OK, then, if she cooks and cleans . . .

I would say that's highly doubtful. She probably doesn't even know what a sponge is

bet she does, it's inbred that women do the housework, thats part of their function in life.
Like staying at home and looking after the kid(s) whilst hubby goes to work, no point in having a kid if it's going to be brought up by strangers - may as well have it adopted.

Col

...I had dinner with him a couple of weeks back
Col


And here I was thinking Rich was your sockpuppet. Silly me. My apologies.

And here I was thinking Rich was your sockpuppet. Silly me. My apologies.

You're getting us confused with your presidents, them being sockpuppets of the American military machine:rolleyes:

Is there any thread where Rich and Col don't derail it into a UK USA slagging match?
Can't we just get along and slag off Robert Mugabe or Vladimir putin.

I mean here is a thread about air head of a celeb doing what she dose best, make the papers, and it has to be dragged down by you two who insist on turning it into a metaphor for US foreign policy for the past 200 years. (Please feel free to pick that apart, step over the meaning and point out that you are only interested in the past 173 years).

For Gods sake boys keep it in your pants and join in some wholesome celeb bashing with the rest of the world.

Its an’t OJ, no one is dead, she is behaving like a spoiled child and it is southern California. Nothing is real there.

Now, just point and laugh. Go on you can do it.

I mean here is a thread about air head of a celeb doing what she dose best, make the papers, and it has to be dragged down by you two who insist on turning it into a metaphor for US foreign policy for the past 200 years.

I'm unclear where I went into the US foreign policy. The American justice system. . . yes, because it's corrupt and has double standards - as most other posters here have noted.
I did mention Guantanamo, where people are held for years without trial by the US and equating that to Ms Hilton who got out of jail in 3 days just for crying.

There's no point in going on about Mugabe or Putin - surveys on the USA's populace have shown many have trouble locating Europe, and many think Austria is the same as Australia. So Zimbabwe and Russia are totally alien places.

Col

colin-

The judge was equally pissed off with this and sent her back -I am of the opion that there were a few backhanders going on - but not with the judge - see previous posts on this

Also Guantanamo
Colin Powell - has gone on record that if he was in charge - these camps would be closed - the "prisoners" would be put into a US jail- and tried according to US law- (international laws etc)

So although the current policital setup is arse about face and wrong - there are policitians out there how are taking a stand- and trying to push the policies in the right direction.

the thing with big organisations (Goverments/Religions/ Even Large companies)
it takes a lot of work to move them from 1 path to another.

Us Brits are just as guilty on not moving fast enough, and some of our judgements have been at best weak, and occasionaly flawed - Jeffory Archer being on, and the current cash 4 honours debarcle (typo)

espically when Tony's best mate is in charge of the investigation ..
its all well to throw mud at a system that you think is corrupt (I do as well on occasions) - but we need to take an object look at ours - otherwise we will be labeled as arrogant anti-american ...
which is not true of all of us, I do not hate, despise any nation, there are things I detest in politics and in general - but this I can look at , and I try to be objective , If I see a flaw , then is this same flaw or one similar also present in our culture, way of life - i may still object, rant and rave about it , but try to levle this with the same view on our way of life.

I am begining to ramble ....

As to Putin-

This is something that has an air of "Brainwashing" on it

THe Americanian have been brought up with Communisim is an "evil" thing and that the communisits are the devils own..
Not sure why..but they have

the idea of everyone been treated equally sounds great, and the wealth spread equally amonst everyone, have sounds good , does that mean we all get a porcshe , afraid not, in the end it means we all get a skateboard (that has to be shared between a family of 4 -
it doesn't work, however hte Americans have had it drummed on to their ears , that the communists are coming - and this seems to be treated as the day of judgement -

Communisism doesn't work, purly down to peoples greed, capitiism - works on this greed factor , if you want a nice car then work for it , if you want more money ,then work hard.


again I ramble

colin-

The judge was equally pissed off with this and sent her back
I know that

Also Guantanamo Colin Powell - has gone on record that if he was in charge - these camps would be closed -
He's not in charge - never will be so it's easy to say that

Us Brits are just as guilty on not moving fast enough, and some of our judgements have been at best weak, and occasionaly flawed
True - but we're talking of the USA here and the Ms Hilton case. It'll be the same in the Phil Spector case too, as it was in the OJ case.

we will be labeled as arrogant anti-american ...
which will be wrong of course. The reason we all laugh and poke fun at the USA is because the USA always seems to court this response and if a word is said against it, one automatically becomes anti-American. It's paranoia in the extreme.
I do not hate, despise any nation,
only the French - but they hate and despise us too - as they have done for around 900 years

Col

Ill give you the French -(its mutual, ):)


Does the US court this, I don't think it does , the majority of people out there were equally annoyed/disgusted over P.Hilton, the real question is , if there had not been such a fuss over this would the judge drag PH back and sent her back to jail...
this is one that we can only speculate over .

As to the rest, Its easy to pop holes in other people views etc and if its constantly the US . then we get labelled as anti- us ,

part of the problem may be that as an english speaking site , there bound to be more Yanks than anyone else, given populations etc...
also due to the fact that US news is probably more globally accessable than say the Ozzies (unless its cricket/rugby)

this then does put its self in the limelight -


as to Colin Powell probably never being in office - well yeah.. but if he was would your stance on US polictics change given his views and reputation (typo?)
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The reason we all laugh and poke fun at the USA is because the USA always seems to court this response

Here's an example of why the USA is a laughing stock (apart from the Hilton joke)

BUNGLING BUSH CALLS POPE 'SIR'
By Stephen Hayward 10/06/2007

GAFFE-prone President George Bush embarrassed onlookers yesterday by continually calling the Pope "Sir".

Vatican aides cringed as he breached protocol during his audience with the pontiff, who is supposed to be addressed as "Your Holiness".

Mr Bush also failed to bow when he met Pope Benedict and told him as he shook his hand: "It's great to be here."

Later Bush had more trouble during his one-day visit to Rome when his limousine stalled and held up the motorcade.

Having restarted, the car then couldn't squeeze through the US Embassy gates forcing Bush to walk.

Riot police used tear gas on anti-US demonstrators as he met Italy's PM Romano Prodi.

ref (http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/sunday/tm_method=full%26objectid=19274294%26siteid=98487-name_page.html)

If the president can't conduct himself with the proper etiquette - that demonstrates total incompetency by his advisors and staff.

Col

as to Colin Powell probably never being in office - well yeah.. but if he was would your stance on US polictics change given his views and reputation (typo?)


Mr Powell will never be in office because he's got the lick of the tarbrush and also he has difficulty in pronouncing his own name - if I pronounced my name (Colin) like he does, people would think I had a speech impediment.

First off I thought he was ok. Till I heard him say he pronounced his name differently to normal because he wanted to be "identified above the rest":rolleyes: (I think that was on Wogans show on BBC a few years back) arrogant sod.

Col

RE the Pope
If I met him I would call him Sir
Not catholic and Sir is gerenally considered to be a polite way of greeting someone whos rank is above you or indoubt over rank and postion

The Dalilama is meant to be called His holiness - amost others (Considered to be a lvivng god)
no idea what to call the arch bishop of canterbury - bishops = cardinals and are genreally "your Grace"

Meet Prince of Wales - and I called him Sir - not your higness/magesty (I could not quite wrap my head round this one) - but Sir is an acknowledgement of politeness and that the person is above =equal to yourself, and or is a respectful title --

Waiters/Waitress genrally call men Sir ladies madam and very few get upset over it

I am sure the Pope could not really care , as it does depend upon how he speaks to you, if he speaks as pontif - ie the voice of the RC church then he speaks on behalf of God, if he speaks as himself then he speaks as first bishop or whatever of Rome and if e speaks on a personal level hecan either speak as a preist or as a private individual -
as it happens I think the guys a knob, but hey - I would still give him the respectful title of Sir

Gary - I agree and disagree.

For normal people like you and me then "Sir" is ok - even if he is a knob.

For the President of the USA and of the Free World and destructor of mankind, it's not good enough.
Our Queen (God Bless Her) is advised and instructed on etiquette (if needed)

To have a bumbling Yank (who has dozens of advisors) incorrectly addressing the Pope is not acceptable at that level. Christ, Bush even thinks he's from Texas when in actual fact he's from Connecticut, he's nearly brain dead if he can't remember where he was born.

Anyway, the story was to demonstrate how the UK press will make fun of the USA / President at the drop of a hat. If the media (including the BBC) can get a dig in, or expose the stupidity of what the USA does then it will.

These type of stories appear in the UK press every day

Col

agree
but for the likes of me and you an "Sir/Madam" would be enough

If Queenie turned up , Madam or ma'am, and if you could swing it you could probably get away with queenie - as long as you got a laugh out of it she would find this funny
Philip on the other hand would probbaly shoot you

State occasions then correct forms of address should be adhered to. the Queens will bow here head to a foreign flag , she will also bow her head to the Pope,as the pope would bow his back , the dal lami(i am sure i am spelling this wrong) well do the ritutial (typo) greet - palsm together and a slight bow and the queen responds back with a bow.

Queens versus living god- now there one for the etiquette guys to sort

Queens versus living god- now there one for the etiquette guys to sort

Bush thinks he is the living god, and I bet the Queen (God Bless Her) thinks he is a right pillock. She must hate state visits to the USA. Can you imagine what would happen if a crank Yank shot the Queen?

Col

don't even go there -

It would be the end of that special relationship

don't even go there -

It would be the end of that special relationship


It would be the end of the USA - I hear American tourists here in the UK are being bullied for the Iraq war

Col

I hear that P.H is not eating as she scared that someone will see her use the loo - what a tosser - after what she been seen doing.
she's as thin as a rake only eats a lettuce leaf a day .

Yeah I have heard this - I don't belive it , cos although we are a bit mouthy - we are polite

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Can you imagine what would happen if a crank Yank shot the Queen?


Couldn't happen. There are loads of guns in the US and as people keep pointing out, the more guns there are, the safer it is for everyone. :D

Couldn't happen. There are loads of guns in the US and as people keep pointing out, the more guns there are, the safer it is for everyone. :D

It really is a sad state of affairs, all these guns in the US. Regular war zone in the streets it is...I mean, a full automatic machine pistol used on a 15 year old kid? http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,,2080151,00.html :( Disgraceful. Oh wait, that wasn't in the US...

Anyhoo...I'm still hoping she gets the full 45 days...

It really is a sad state of affairs, all these guns in the US. Regular war zone in the streets it is...I mean, a full automatic machine pistol used on a 15 year old kid? http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,,2080151,00.html :( Disgraceful. Oh wait, that wasn't in the US...

Anyhoo...I'm still hoping she gets the full 45 days...

no-one says we don't get gun crime - fortunately it's rare, unlike your average 82 deaths per day by the gun.

Col

no-one says we don't get gun crime -
Col

Actuallly Rich says it all the time:

It is true Gary, nobody is allowed to kill with a handgun here
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But enough hijacking, let's keep all the gun violence commentary in the proper thread and get back to Paris bashing! :rolleyes:

Back to P.H - (know my stanse on guns)
Paris Hilton - maybe i was too harsh on her .. if she is disturbed, then maybe she needs help and treatment, now to prove this , she should do her time then go see a shrink.

but this still will not change my mind on the empty head nothing person.

as part of the problem is she can get the checkbook out (I know I spelt it US style) and buy her way out of trouble, she courts the media, will again is not healthly as once you court them they will never let go.

Actuallly Rich says it all the time:

It is true Gary, nobody is allowed to kill with a handgun here
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You see now who's the one guilty of twisting the facts to try and support a weak argument to start with:rolleyes:
It is illegal for anybody here to kill another human with a handgun, in your country it's not only legal but encouraged:rolleyes:

You see now who's the one guilty of twisting the facts to try and support a weak argument to start with:rolleyes:
It is illegal for anybody here to kill another human with a handgun, in your country it's not only legal but encouraged:rolleyes:

HAHAHAH:p :p :D

HAHAHAH:p :p :D

Yes we've passed comment on this couldn't care less attitude towards the massive America gun death culture:confused:

Communisism doesn't work, purly down to peoples greed, capitiism - works on this greed factor , if you want a nice car then work for it , if you want more money ,then work hard.


again I ramble

How come the Chinese are doing so well out of communism at the minute then, even more confusing when you learn the the Chinese are bankrolling Americas' massive deficit at present, those evil bloody communists :confused:

Pfft, rest my case, Miss Hilton your free to go. Please try and be a bit more careful ;)

Pfft, rest my case, Miss Hilton your free to go. Please try and be a bit more careful ;)

This is the politics thread Lister, the thread you want is in the Watercooler:p

You see now who's the one guilty of twisting the facts to try and support a weak argument to start with:rolleyes:
It is illegal for anybody here to kill another human with a handgun, in your country it's not only legal but encouraged:rolleyes:

I see the twisting quite clearly! Like how this part of my quote was edited out:

But enough hijacking, let's keep all the gun violence commentary in the proper thread and get back to Paris bashing!

Oh well, there's certainly no stopping some people from fact twisting and trying to support weak arguments. Let the hijack continue!

P.S.

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Originally Posted by Rich
You see now who's the one guilty of twisting the facts to try and support a weak argument to start with:rolleyes:
It is illegal for anybody here to kill another human with a handgun, in your country it's not only legal but encouraged:rolleyes:

HAHAHAH:p :p :D


Far be it for me to know what's on someone else's mind, but I feel comfortable in suggesting he was not laughing with you...

I see the twisting quite clearly! Like how this part of my quote was edited out:

But enough hijacking, let's keep all the gun violence commentary in the proper thread and get back to Paris bashing!

Oh well, there's certainly no stopping some people from fact twisting and trying to support weak arguments. Let the hijack continue!

P.S.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
You see now who's the one guilty of twisting the facts to try and support a weak argument to start with:rolleyes:
It is illegal for anybody here to kill another human with a handgun, in your country it's not only legal but encouraged:rolleyes:

HAHAHAH:p :p :D


Far be it for me to know what's on someone else's mind, but I feel comfortable in suggesting he was not laughing with you...

And we're the one's constantly accused of hijacking threads, didn't take you very long to not follow your own advice, but then you are American, you know, make the rules, then break them at the drop of a hat as long as it's in American interests:rolleyes:

Say Current events, how it can be derailed into USA/Gun Control/Bush bashing.

What happened to Scatty Blond bashing.

What happened to Scatty Blond bashing.

I thought Ms Hilton was female. . . . . . . (blonde with an "e")

Have I missed something?

Col

I thought Ms Hilton was female. . . . . . . (blonde with an "e")

Have I missed something?

Col

I think I did the same typo myself - I have seen Blond and also Blonde -
does not take much to confuse me -

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I think I did the same typo myself - I have seen Blond and also Blonde -
does not take much to confuse me -

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I thought it may have been a typo - the number of pictures in the papers we see of her exposing herself getting out of cars does not indicate she is of the male gender:eek:

Col

Colin-
You seen my post's I have problems getting my name straight, let alone stringing a sentance together thats makes any sense -
glad that most people let me off the old tpyos (:p )

I think it may have been the Americanization of the spelling for Blonde or blond.

lol Firefox is giving me the red squiggly line under the first spelling. kind of like colour and those other words that we have bastardized

I think it may have been the Americanization of the spelling for Blonde or blond.

lol Firefox is giving me the red squiggly line under the first spelling. kind of like colour and those other words that we have bastardized

I think that's Americanisation and bastardised, with an 's'. :D

I think it may have been the Americanization of the spelling for Blonde or blond.

That'll be right.:rolleyes:

For the record, the correct spelling is Blonde for referring to female and Blond for referring to male.

Col

That'll be right.:rolleyes:

For the record, the correct spelling is Blonde for referring to female and Blond for referring to male.

Col

oh crap, this is just like Spanish and French classes all over again. one spelling to describe a boy and one to describe a girl, even though they are describing the same attribute

oh crap, this is just like Spanish and French classes all over again. one spelling to describe a boy and one to describe a girl, even though they are describing the same attribute

not crap - just correct grammar, something the USA has done away with

Col