What happened to this thread???

I was wondering the same thing. I didn't get a chance to read some of the responses after mine.

Has Col and Rich been censored again?

Cols a pensioner - leave him alone!

Guys- it was me .. oops

I was looking at my orginal post looked the edit button and pushed the wrong option - so no senorship involved , (just my stupidity )

and sorry:o
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Nevermind - I'll sum it up - Daley Thompson is a legend and baseball's crap.

well thats basically what it came down to ...
and of all the sporting heros
all the Yanks take drugs and anyone else isn't worth mentioning (only kidding, I am sure that there are a few other sporting heros out there)

Guys- it was me .. oops

I was looking at my orginal post looked the edit button and pushed the wrong option - so no senorship involved , (just my stupidity )

and sorry:o
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Does this effect our post counts? some will be upset. I'd watch my back if I were you Gary. :D

Brian

Who the **** has been tampering with my post count :mad:

I guess it's a good thing I never responded to this thread the first time, so no lost posts for me. :D

And here I had an unbreakable defense of baseball in my last post and I bet no one saw it. Oh well, I guess you guys will just have to take my word that baseball is better than whatever your favorite sport is. :p

I think the moderators have been victimising Col and Rich again...

Oh no, that theory has already been shot to pieces :rolleyes:

And here I had an unbreakable defense of baseball in my last post and I bet no one saw it. Oh well, I guess you guys will just have to take my word that baseball is better than whatever your favorite sport is. :p
Ah yes, baseball (or girlie rounders) thats the one being dropped from the Olympics through lack of interest perhaps?

Col

Ah yes, baseball (or girlie rounders) thats the one being dropped from the Olympics through lack of interest perhaps?

Col

No, lack of competition :cool:

I think the moderators have been victimising Col and Rich again...

Why would they?

Col

Why would they?

Col


Insubordination

Ah yes, baseball (or girlie rounders) thats the one being dropped from the Olympics through lack of interest perhaps?


Yep thats the one. I don't know where you get this whole girly thing from anyway. I would dare anyone on this board to tell Adam Dunn (American baseball player obviously) he's "girly" face-to-face. Guy's looks like a lumberjack.

And I already addressed the Olympics in my last post. You may not have seen it.

Nobody said the players were girly, ony the game. Please get your facts straight.

Brian

Guys- it was me .. oops

I was looking at my orginal post looked the edit button and pushed the wrong option - so no senorship involved , (just my stupidity )

and sorry:o
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Oh sh*t, now we've got to remind the Americans again why baseball is for those with a short attention span:mad:

Oh ok. So so we've just got large muscular men playing a "girly" sport. Right that makes a lot of sense. And what makes the game girly again, just as a refresher since the original topic was deleted. Obviously it's not as rough as rugby, I don't think anyone's arguing that. Of course I also happen to think Rugby is a terrible sport anyways.

And now baseball is supposed to be for people with "short attention spans?" Well then Cricket must be for boring folks who don't have anything better to do than watch one game for 3 days. Or it's more likely that neither of these are true and they are just two different games. Different strokes for different folks as they say, although that doesn't seem to be the motto on these boards.

Many sports are great to play, but most if not almost all are boring to watch, normally. Because of this the only sport I would and do watch regularly is proper football, but this does not mean that I have any sporting heroes in that field, its just that if you are going to watch a sport then you might aswell expect to be entertained even if it sometimes fails, but the stop go sports always fail, and golf, darts , snooker et al give me strength. :eek:

Brian

THats quite a good arguement , - all the fuild sports are generally more interesting
football , American Football Even though theirs a fair amount of stopping and starting, rugby (again stop/start)

where as football is pretty fast and fuild only breaks are - goals ,throw in's penatlies half time

90 mins + of action

Darts ,, well I'd rather watch paint dry (the second coat)
golf is a waste of a walk (and t watch it you might as well watch the grass grow)

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football , American Football Even though theirs a fair amount of stopping and starting,
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Is that with or without the enforced advertising breaks?:rolleyes:

Darts ,, well I'd rather watch paint dry (the second coat)

g

As a dart player I couldn't agree more. Thats why you chalk the games you're not playing.
Now playing darts...

Let me see if I can remember the lines of thought:

Baseball is a "girly" game yes all Brits / no all N. Americans
Ali was a draft dodger - about 50/50 regardless of location
Daley Thompson was a great decathlete - no negative votes
Rich hates America - what else is new
Colin disagrees with Rick - what a suprize

Is that with or without the enforced advertising breaks?:rolleyes:...don't think of them as commercials, think of them as breaks for beer:D

Barry Bonds - hes a real sporting hero - just equalled the greatest record in US sports - all time home runs!:p

Actually career home runs all-time is held by Mr. Oh of Japan.

Bonds tied Hank Aaron's "Major League" record.

Now there was a hero (Aaron). He broke Babe Ruth's record and suffered terrible racial abuse because of it.

Aaron and Ruth also did this feat with out the help of "performance enhancers". unless a big old stogie and lots of red meat are considered performance enhancers now adays

Many sports are great to play, but most if not almost all are boring to watch, normally. Because of this the only sport I would and do watch regularly is proper football,

as long as it's not English football apparently :eek:

"Nobody in Europe likes England. England invented the sport but has never made any impact on world football."

ref (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6939170.stm)

I know most Americans cannot read past the headline :rolleyes:, but I thought that you were better than that Dan and would have got as far as Franz Beckenbauer's comment

"The Premier League at the moment is the best league in Europe and the stadiums are outstanding.

"In my opinion, there is only one very serious candidate and it is England."

I would also note that your quoted headline is from a man with vested interests in England not getting the 2018 world cup.


Brian

Many sports are great to play, but most if not almost all are boring to watch, normally.

Agree totally.
I've yet to find one that wasn't at least semi enjoyable to play (and, yes, I'd include Cricket and Baseball), but I can't take more than five minutes of watching any of them. I'm sure it's easier if you're a fan of one of the teams/people playing.

I know most Americans cannot read past the headline :rolleyes:, but I thought that you were better than that Dan and would have got as far as Franz Beckenbauer's comment

Using one's nationality to weighten the reprimand, not the usual approach from you Bri.

I guess using one's passion in life to upset is quite unsporting ... unless that passion happens to be baseball, american football etc etc.

If you're unhappy about someone taking retarded digs at your passion, I say what makes you so special. :confused:

Using one's nationality to weighten the reprimand, not the usual approach from you Bri.

I guess using one's passion in life to upset is quite unsporting ... unless that passion happens to be baseball, american football etc etc.

If you're unhappy about someone taking retarded digs at your passion, I say what makes you so special.


I think Brian only said baseball was girly - I reckon, knowing roughly Brians era - he would say football is getting a bit girly now days too!

Which is probably why the US is having another crack at it - and investing 125 million for a model to front it
????

Enjoy the Villa game tomorrow Brian - have you got Setanta???

Which is probably why the US is having another crack at it - and investing 125 million for a model to front it
????

I presume you're talking about Beckham. And his contract is actually for 250 Million I believe, which is actually pretty unbelievable considering how few people in the US really care about the Professional Soccer League in the US. Of course, he is supposed to be the "savior" of the league but so far he's barely been able to get onto the field. One things for sure, one aging and often-injured player isn't going to make me start watching.

Out of curiosity, what was the reaction over seas to Beckham coming over to the US? It's actually pretty funny because there was a commercial that was played non stop that involved people from the UK (presumably) crying their eyes out over Beckham leaving. I had to laugh because I'm sure people didn't care half as much as the commercial portrayed. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think Brian only said baseball was girly

It seems someone else needs to get their facts straight :rolleyes:

It seems someone else needs to get their facts straight

Its all I can find? - Maybe I have missed something?

I am clearly not looking as hard as you to find the upset?


I guess using one's passion in life to upset is quite unsporting ... unless that passion happens to be baseball, american football etc etc.


What did he say?

I presume you're talking about Beckham. And his contract is actually for 250 Million I believe, which is actually pretty unbelievable considering how few people in the US really care about the Professional Soccer League in the US. Of course, he is supposed to be the "savior" of the league but so far he's barely been able to get onto the field. One things for sure, one aging and often-injured player isn't going to make me start watching.

Out of curiosity, what was the reaction over seas to Beckham coming over to the US? It's actually pretty funny because there was a commercial that was played non stop that involved people from the UK (presumably) crying their eyes out over Beckham leaving. I had to laugh because I'm sure people didn't care half as much as the commercial portrayed. Maybe I'm

Yes I was refering to Beckham - I think the ad you are talking of was some people in Madrid - where I am sure the vast majority aren't too bothered either.

The UK isn't too interested one way or other - Beckhams been in spain for a few years anyhow - though we now have a few more US soccer shows - ie prime time rather than at 3 in the morning.

I can't see them lasting though, simply because there is so much football to watch anyhow - from the big leagues either in England, Spain, Italy - or S America - or even Holland, Germany etc etc

I expect the shows are either extremely cheap to make and so viewing figures aren't expected to be anything other then minuscule - or they will be cancelled pretty quick.

There is some call for Beckham to be back in the England team, though this is mostly by idiots (including the England manager) - and media types- who where calling for him to be axed as past it for the last 5-6 years or so.

If you where allowed special teams - ie kicker as in American football - hed get a game - but fortunaltey you can't. He may still have a role to play if he could control his own feeling of self worth on the pitch - if he stuck to the team game and played his role. - Unfortunalty he doesn't do that and interfers with the play of better players to the detriment of their performance and neglects what he is supposed to do himself, because he wants to have the ball all the time.

It wouldn't surprise me if its in his contract - must have the ball for 25% of the game - it would suit him, and would suit the sponsors. But won't help England or a top club team too much playing that way.

Mentioning Setanta, I just found out my satellite provider carries it and I get it WOOHOOO I was so pissed when we lo9st Fox Soccer Channel. but now I can watch rugby and soccer/football and I am assuming they have other stuff on there too. now just to figure out the ins and outs of rugby and how it is played :D

Good luck understanding Rugby..
Its a pretty rough game, with a lot of contact involved, however for atmosphere , it beats football espically if its a Welsh game they really get into the swing of it ,
very little body armour - lots of stopping and starting though but it is a faster moving game than American Football.

the idea of the game is to move the ball forward over thre opposite line , however you can only pass the ball backwards - so you have to run forward and pass the ball backwards to a fellow player -
occasionally you can kick the ball forward but you then have to chase the ball - or you cna kick it into touch (off field) and a line up occurs - normally followed by a ruck.. or scrum -

thats the bare bones of it.. theres a hell of a lot more to it than that , offside rules etc - no biting or punching

if you want weird look at ozzie football - thats just plain bonkers (entertaining though)
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I presume you're talking about Beckham. And his contract is actually for 250 Million I believe, which is actually pretty unbelievable considering how few people in the US really care about the Professional Soccer League in the US. Of course, he is supposed to be the "savior" of the league but so far he's barely been able to get onto the field. One things for sure, one aging and often-injured player isn't going to make me start watching.

Out of curiosity, what was the reaction over seas to Beckham coming over to the US? It's actually pretty funny because there was a commercial that was played non stop that involved people from the UK (presumably) crying their eyes out over Beckham leaving. I had to laugh because I'm sure people didn't care half as much as the commercial portrayed. Maybe I'm wrong.


US$ 250 million = £125 million (ish)
Beckham does have talent , but there are better players, beckhams appeal come from sponsorship - the Spain team that lost him , where a bit miffed that he went and there coach got a bit of a b*llocking for not playing him more. as when he played he was very good, but saying that i could of been good playing for the spain team they are full of talented players and I would of been able to coast and hide .

saying that i could of been good playing for the spain team they are full of talented players and I would of been able to coast and hide

I would be quite happy if hid and coasted in the england team - out on the right wing and concentrated on putting the crosses in. He doesn't though and demands the ball all over the pitch - getting in the way of the better players in the team and losing the team shape.

Maybe in Madrid they kept him in his place a bit better.

Using one's nationality to weighten the reprimand, not the usual approach from you Bri.

I guess using one's passion in life to upset is quite unsporting ... unless that passion happens to be baseball, american football etc etc.

If you're unhappy about someone taking retarded digs at your passion, I say what makes you so special. :confused:

I thought that this was a little dig at us English
as long as it's not English football apparently

"Nobody in Europe likes England. England invented the sport but has never made any impact on world football."

so this was a little dig back, note smiley

I know most Americans cannot read past the headline , but I thought that you were better than that Dan and would have got as far as Franz Beckenbauer's comment

Paul as far as my saying Baseball was girlie I was correcting a post that implied somebody had said baseball players were girlie, and I was saying that they had said the game not the players were girlie, therefore, damn this gets too much for my old brain:eek:

Brian

- I reckon, knowing roughly Brians era - he would say football is getting a bit girly now days too!

Enjoy the Villa game tomorrow Brian - have you got Setanta???

Agreed bring back the rules Nat Lofthouse, Tommy Smith, Norman Hunter et al all played by, when football was a man's proper contact sport, with no sly niggles and shirt tugging etc.

I watch at my Son in Laws he has everything, except taste as he is an Evertonian, but he drinks good beer. :D

Brian

Its all I can find? - Maybe I have missed something?


Quelle surprise :rolleyes:


Brian didn't say that baseball was girlie at all. I was using his turn of phrase with what he actually did say, against you. Very effective against people who don't do subtle humor.

. now just to figure out the ins and outs of rugby and how it is played :D

The problem with Rugby is that there are 2 codes and thus 2 sets of rules. I tried to get into Rugby several years ago when the diving and cheating of the football prima donnas had got on my nerves, but never made it. A fan said that you have to be brought up with it to fully unnderstand and appreciate itbut they had recently altered a lot of the rules which p****d him off.
A running game of Rugby Union as played by the french can be a joy to watch.

Brian

I thought that this was a little dig at us English


so this was a little dig back, note smiley


I guess you can parody your targets so much, you sometimes get mistaken for them.

Out of curiosity, what was the reaction over seas to Beckham coming over to the US?
I just hope some lunatic American doesn't shoot him (or Vicky for that matter)

But I guess it's just a matter of time:rolleyes:

Col

I just hope some lunatic American doesn't shoot him (or Vicky for that matter)

But I guess it's just a matter of time:rolleyes:

Col

I thought he liked having his picture taken :confused:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/entertainment_enl_1185186778/img/1.jpg

Was that snapped at a wax museum? They look awful...sort of.

You have to remember the Yanks don't know much about football/soccer except for the big names.
Back in the 70's, the New York team talked Pele out of retirement and they got sellout crowds at a major stadium for two years.
When Pele left New York, the owners figured they needed another big name. Germany had just won the World Cup in '74 and the MVP of the tournament was the "Kaiser", Franz Bechenbauer (forgive spelling errors). Franz was one of the greatest defenders in the history of the game. New York signed him for mega-millions and were somewhat shocked to discover his specialty was sweeper.
New York was not going to spend all that money on a player who prevented goals rather than scoring them. Bechenbauer was converted to striker. His great skill made him not out of place in his new position, but he was certainly never comfortable there.

I thought he liked having his picture taken :confused:



I think the women all went to the same boob doctor. "Give me the number 26 with the free pedicure".

Who is that guy in the red dress?

And who is the dwarf on the left?

Brian

And who is the dwarf on the left?

Brian

I believe that's the Olympic figure skater Dorothy Hamill...

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/ham1/large/ham1-020.jpg

And who is the dwarf on the left?

Brian

Actually he's over 6 foot. The women are wear 8" spike heels.

Using one's nationality to weighten the reprimand, not the usual approach from you Bri.

I guess using one's passion in life to upset is quite unsporting ... unless that passion happens to be baseball, american football etc etc.

If you're unhappy about someone taking retarded digs at your passion, I say what makes you so special.

Dancat - You're right Brian, seems to have said nothing to cause offence - so why the defence - your if you give it take it post to Brian??

before issueing advice like this - perhaps you could please get your facts straight !!!!

- Oh the wit and intelligence to repeat the line - please get you facts straight. I hope theres some fellow scholars reading every post and remembering them word for word - only they can spot my genius! I suppose if they haven't done this, I can for have a lovely glow of acheivement over how clever I think I am - and such subtle humour too!!!:cool:

I guess you can parody your targets so much, you sometimes get mistaken for them. A poor poor defense again of your post - sorry your honour, it was only a parody. -
Yeh right - pull the other one!

Who is the parody of??

Oh - btw - the pompous pedantic parody above - thats you! :-)

.., think of them as breaks for beer:D

With copious amounts being required in order to stomach so called entertainment.....

I know most Americans cannot read past the headline :rolleyes:, but I thought that you were better than that Dan
Brian

No, they're all the same, well the men anyway:rolleyes:

American football is by far my favorite sport. Everyone outside of America hates it (except Germany and Canada), but it's the perfect sport in my opinion. Yes there are a ton of breaks in the action, but that just adds to the suspense of the game in crucial moments. I don't really expect anyone outside the US to understand so I'm not even going to try to defend it.

As for Soccer, I could never get into it. I watched some of the last World Cup to see what all the fuss is about. I don't understand why people love this game so much. There were very few thrilling moments in the games I watched. Plus all of the players fell to the ground (flopped) after someone so much as blew on them. I think I noticed this with the Italian team the most but I can't really remember. How anyone can call baseball girly and Soccer not is beyond me. The best thing that came out of the World Cup was when Zidane headbutted that other player. That was hilarious.

How anyone can call baseball girly and Soccer not is beyond me.

It's simple, baseball is girly rounders - football (soccer) takes skill

Col

- football (soccer) takes skill

Col

That's why Americans don't understand the game;)

my sporting hero - Joe Brown

It's simple, baseball is girly rounders - football (soccer) takes skill

Col


I've yet to see a baseball player fall to the ground from a slight nudge. Perhaps your "manly" sport could learn a few things from our "girly" one.


That's why Americans don't understand the game


What's not to understand? It's a fairly simple game. It just simply bores me to tears.

What's not to understand? It's a fairly simple game. It just simply bores me to tears.

It's a game that requires skill of the feet, body and head and team work, rounders, oops I mean baseball, just requires some dork to swing a stick in the hope that he or she strikes the ball

Allow me to debate like you.

Baseball is a game that requires great precision, hand-eye coordination, athleticism and strength, Soccer just requires some moron to kick a ball in a net.

There that was easy.

Sharks

you comment on Footie and its a slight nudge and they fall down - has some merit in it.
it didn't used to be like that, but whenthe money takes over and you need a win - then you need to be a good actor who can call foul at any given point,,
however there are some "hard nut "players still out there

Vinnie Jones was one of them (I know he's been out the game for a while) but can you imagine him falling over a crying to the ref ..-
knowing Vinnie - he'll probaly get a sawnoff shotgun..

Allow me to debate like you.

Baseball is a game that requires great precision, hand-eye coordination, athleticism and coordination,

Now you're getting confused with cricket

Vinnie Jones was one of them (I know he's been out the game for a while) but can you imagine him falling over a crying to the ref ..-
knowing Vinnie - he'll probaly get a sawnoff shotgun..Holy Sh*t! Vinnie played soccer?:eek: I retract my previous statements as to the lack of testicular size required to play said sport.

Sharks

you comment on Footie and its a slight nudge and they fall down - has some merit in it.
it didn't used to be like that, but whenthe money takes over and you need a win - then you need to be a good actor who can call foul at any given point,,
however there are some "hard nut "players still out there

Vinnie Jones was one of them (I know he's been out the game for a while) but can you imagine him falling over a crying to the ref ..-
knowing Vinnie - he'll probaly get a sawnoff shotgun..


It's one of the things that really turned me off to the World Cup. It's good to hear that not all players flop to the ground all the time.


Now you're getting confused with cricket


Lol. Has anyone ever told you that your a pain in the rear to argue with? :D I guess there is no point in trying to make most of you Brits appreciate the game of baseball. Oh well, I tried.

I guess there is no point in trying to make most of you Brits appreciate the game of baseball. Oh well, I tried.

Played enough rounders as a kid thanks:p

As for Soccer, I could never get into it. I watched some of the last World Cup to see what all the fuss is about. I don't understand why people love this game so much. There were very few thrilling moments in the games I watched



You could of course have seen just a terrible game - but this is how I see the differnace between the say football and basketball. Lets assume the two levels of skills and excellence are the same - that both sports provide entertainment in marveling at the skills of the players - I am sure they do - if you have played and can see how it works.

However -

Basketball - has many many "plays" which result in a score being added to the board - as a result each and every play means less in terms of the outcome of the game as many other plays are likely to produce scores. So each and every play even in its prefered outcome will only have a tiny influence on the result. So any given play in basketball - who cares - it makes so little differnace to the final result. Obviously this changes towards the end of the game if the game is close.

In football - very few plays lead to a score - so each play has the potential to affect the outcome of the game greatly -

Hence the average play in soccer is more interesting than the average play in basketball -

This seems to be a basic floor in all US sports - ie the aims of the plays of the game have too little influence upon the result to make them interesting.

On this idea - soccer easily wins - and regular scores of 9-8 or something would destroy the game.

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Now we can compare cricket v baseball - cricket is the better game - because mostly the thing that affects the game is wickets - less outs happen in cricket than in baseball (I think). Plus an out in cricket can affect the play in terms of who is in next (get one they may topple like dominos) - which I don't think it does in baseball, does it? - (In baseball you also cannot get you eye in in the same way as cricket). In baseball I think you have to face the big hitters each and every innings meaning when Barry Bonds comes up - if you get him out - you still have to do it 8 times over. In cricket - you only have to get Peterson say once maybe twice. The out of the best player in cricket is more valuable than the out of the best player in baseball.

Simply outs are more influential in cricket than baseball - which is why cricket is more interesting that baseball. (a test can be more interesting than a one dayer - beacuse the tactics and changing conditions can make a wicket even more valuable - are there tactics in baseball - in terms of how you use outs/versus runs/versus time as there is in cricket - Particlurly test cricket.)
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(there is no comparison between cricket and baseball in skills either - the variety of skills on show in cricket makes it far better than baseball - that doesn't maen the skills are any easier in baseball - but as a spectacle with variety - cricket wins hands down)

Its the influence on the result of the primary aim of each "play" of the game , which largely determines a sports appeal.
Of course some nations just like sports with big numbers - which is why their sports are crap.

The only one of the US sports of baseball, basketball and american football with any merit is the football.

Quote Its the influence on the result of the primary aim of each "play" of the game , which largely determines a sports appeal.
Of course some nations just like sports with big numbers - which is why their sports are crap

Paul - err.
Cricket scores kinda go high (except the english score of course. lol)

Holy Sh*t! Vinnie played soccer?:eek: I retract my previous statements as to the lack of testicular size required to play said sport.

yeah.. Vinnie play - he wasn't the most gifted of players , above average for a pro.. but he played hard - some of the clips of him playing are pure magic - dirty tricks - hard tackles

which is why he is well liked , as a charater and his films have been enjoyable - cos he's not afraid to set himself up - he's doing some adverts in the UK at the moment and they are better than some of the telly itself

mind you his version of of a burt renyolds film the mean machine was a bit poor ( compared to the orginal)

g

Errr Gary - its the wickets that are important - particularly in test

Day 5 of a test - India 500 first innings
England 100 first inning

India 200 declared 3nd innings

Day 5 - 3hrs to go - England are 200 for 7.

400 runs behind with 3 wickets left with Peiterson in - you think the forthcoming runs are important to either the bowlers or the batters??

The primary aim of each play is to take or defend the wicket.

its an' t gonna matter - cos we still gonna lose
the Indians are walking all over us (again) but it is enjoyable to watch (saw pakistan verus the rest of the world -last year at the oval - great fun(plenty of drinking) -

its an' t gonna matter - cos we still gonna lose
the Indians are walking all over us (again) but it is enjoyable to watch (saw pakistan verus the rest of the world -last year at the oval - great fun(plenty of drinking) -


Yes the liitle numbers, wickets = 11, pints = 11 have far more influnce than runs = 500.


Just don't drink guiness or yuo will have the runs for days!

You could of course have seen just a terrible game - but this is how I see the differnace between the say football and basketball. Lets assume the two levels of skills and excellence are the same - that both sports provide entertainment in marveling at the skills of the players - I am sure they do - if you have played and can see how it works.

However -

Basketball - has many many "plays" which result in a score being added to the board - as a result each and every play means less in terms of the outcome of the game as many other plays are likely to produce scores. So each and every play even in its prefered outcome will only have a tiny influence on the result. So any given play in basketball - who cares - it makes so little differnace to the final result. Obviously this changes towards the end of the game if the game is close.

In football - very few plays lead to a score - so each play has the potential to affect the outcome of the game greatly -

Hence the average play in soccer is more interesting than the average play in basketball -

This seems to be a basic floor in all US sports - ie the aims of the plays of the game have too little influence upon the result to make them interesting.

On this idea - soccer easily wins - and regular scores of 9-8 or something would destroy the game.


It's hard for me to defend basketball. I love playing the game, but I dislike the National Basketball Association and what is has become. You raise a good point though. I don't know how you can say Soccer "wins easily". There is no winning and no losing, they are just simply different games. We don't need every sport to be the same, that would be redundant.

In basketball, there are greater chances of large score deficits, however, there are also many more chances for lead changes because the scores fluctuate so often. Like I said, I'm not going to label one sport better and one sport worse just because they are different.
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Now we can compare cricket v baseball - cricket is the better game - because mostly the thing that affects the game is wickets - less outs happen in cricket than in baseball (I think). Plus an out in cricket can affect the play in terms of who is in next (get one they may topple like dominos) - which I don't think it does in baseball, does it? - (In baseball you also cannot get you eye in in the same way as cricket). In baseball I think you have to face the big hitters each and every innings meaning when Barry Bonds comes up - if you get him out - you still have to do it 8 times over. In cricket - you only have to get Peterson say once maybe twice. The out of the best player in cricket is more valuable than the out of the best player in baseball.

Simply outs are more influential in cricket than baseball - which is why cricket is more interesting that baseball. (a test can be more interesting than a one dayer - beacuse the tactics and changing conditions can make a wicket even more valuable - are there tactics in baseball - in terms of how you use outs/versus runs/versus time as there is in cricket - Particlurly test cricket.)
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(there is no comparison between cricket and baseball in skills either - the variety of skills on show in cricket makes it far better than baseball - that doesn't maen the skills are any easier in baseball - but as a spectacle with variety - cricket wins hands down)

Its the influence on the result of the primary aim of each "play" of the game , which largely determines a sports appeal.
Of course some nations just like sports with big numbers - which is why their sports are crap.

The only one of the US sports of baseball, basketball and american football with any merit is the football.


Again, neither game is factually better. It's an opinion based question. Plus you seem to lack basic baseball knowledge which leads me to believe your opinion on this matter doesn't really count (Barry Bonds and any other player will only bat 3-5 times in one game). Then again, nor does mine, I don't pretend to know Cricket, I only have tried to defend baseball from people who don't appreciate how hard it is to play. Before you attempt to pick a "winner" of the baseball vs Cricket debate, I suggest you learn both games first instead of blindly supporting the sport that you already know.

As for me, I don't have to do that because I don't try to compare them. I'm sure Cricket is a fascinating sport, but it's not readily available for me to watch, so why would I try to compare it with other sports?

however, there are also many more chances for lead changes because the scores fluctuate so often. Exactly it happens all the time - so when it does happen it no big deal - the opposite is the case in football.

It is your opinion to watch sports that have the prime aim of each play having comparitively little influence on the result.

Most of the worlds opinion is they are boring - compared to soccer - I merely told you why the rest of the world have this opinion.

I only have tried to defend baseball from people who don't appreciate how hard it is to play
I have no doubt basball is difficult - so is reciting Pi to 100,000 place - I do not wish to watch either particlurarly.


I know enough about the game to tell you some of why -

OK I didn't know Barry Bonds only bats 3-5 times a game - as i say I fall asleep when its on - but Peiterson only bats 0 - 2 times a game, The out of the best player in cricket is more valuable than the out of the best player in baseball.
so the point remains the same. Plus its only 1 of many examples.

Of course there are other important factors and preferences - determined on location, personal abilities, upbringing, time , weather etc etc -

- so is reciting Pi to 100,000 place -

Here's 50 to get you started
3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26833 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510
:cool:

(Barry Bonds and any other player will only bat 3-5 times in one game).

Why not? It's not as if it's a taxing game, I mean footballers (soccer) have to stay running for 90 mins:rolleyes:

Oh - btw - the pompous pedantic parody above - thats you! :-)

Very good Paul, you need a little work on your delivery as you took about three or four paragraphs to reach your punchline but all in all a good first attempt.

my sporting hero - Joe Brown

Joe Brown? He's a UK rock n roll singer from the 1960's - and very popular he is too, still touring with his 'bruvvers' - in fact, just been to Clacton.

http://www.southx.biz/dannecker/pictures/joe%20brown.jpg

Col

Its very simple:
If Colin and Rich had been born in the US, they would be avid American football, baseball and basketball fans. Cricket and soccer would be as foreign as the far side of the moon.

I grew up in the late 50's early 60's. The sporting heroes of that era (when I was a kid) will always be better in my mind than those of today. Even though all of the records of my heroes have been broken over the years they are still better than the modern players. Why? because I was an impressionable youth when they were playing and now I have developed a keener eye.

You could argue for the next 20 years over which sport is better but your opinion will always be slanted by where you grew up and how old you are.

By the way, if you don't think baseball is a contact sport, watch what happens when the pitcher hits the batter. Both benches empty and the fights can last for days (as can the suspensions).

Its very simple:
If Colin and Rich had been born in the US,

Thank the lord for the fact they weren't, hell we'd have been included in a GreenDay song:eek:

By the way, if you don't think baseball is a contact sport, watch what happens when the pitcher hits the batter. Both benches empty and the fights can last for days (as can the suspensions).

It isn't a contact sport which is why they all get their handbags out when contact is made.

In cricket the bowler is allowed to aim for the batsman - and they take it on the chin, literally.

Thats why baseballs girly compared to cricket.

Very good Paul, you need a little work on your delivery as you took about three or four paragraphs to reach your punchline but all in all a good first attempt.

I was going for the Ronnie Corbett style.

I was going for the Ronnie Corbett style.

I can imagine you being of a similar stature.

And I still look down on you!

you know that sketch??

And I still look down on you!

I haven't known you any other way.


you know that sketch??

Don't think so...

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/pictures/image/0,8543,-10505301113,00.html

soory could find a video anywhere!

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/pictures/image/0,8543,-10505301113,00.html

soory could find a video anywhere!

Oh that sketch! Yes I know that one, sorry you were quoting some other punchline from some other gag.

You see the comic thrust of that sketch is mocking the people who look down on other people with the double play on the term pain in the neck.

1) Pain in the neck from looking up at the high and mighty

2) The high and mighty are a pain in the neck.

The character which you liken yourself to doesn't actually look down anybody:

"I know my place. I look up to them both. But while I am poor, I am honest, industrious and trustworthy. Had I the inclination, I could look down on them. But I don't."

It's a satirical piece, the type of humor which you of course dismiss as pompous, so I'm not surprised it flew straight over your head.

ffs don't be so pendatic, pompous and condescending - when its just a bit of a laugh????

You see I took the humour a little further - even little old me - can still look down on you - and you can still feel like the salt of the earth, etc etc


Whatever forget it!:rolleyes:

ffs don't be so pendatic, pompous and condescending - when its just a bit of a laugh????

The butt of the joke never really finds it very funny Paul, especially when the same gag is repeated ad nauseam.

With your beautiful analysis of the sketch - and who the butt of the joke is - you shouldn't get too worried about it???

Should you??

With your beautiful analysis of the sketch - and who the butt of the joke is - you shouldn't get too worried about it???

Should you??

LMAO :D

With the amount of one-liners (and multi paragraphers) that have been levelled at me over the years on these boards because of my nationality, pedanticism and pomposity, you honestly think that I'm overly concerned about being the butt of a joke? The ones who are, have left, have you not noticed?

I'm a firm believer of what goes around comes around, so you mock away and let me know when you finally become aware of the return on investment. ;)

I didn't think anyone could get their knickers in a twist with a bit of play around a Ronnie corbett sketch.:cool:



Ho hum!

I didn't think anyone could get their knickers in a twist with a bit of play around a Ronnie corbett sketch.:cool:

You weren't being pompous were you :eek:



Ho hum!

Perhaps you were, it seems like you've actually managed to bore yourself :D

Well the thread has got as boring as watching cricket with Geoff Boycott at one end and Trevor Bailey at the other.

(Fortunately they were of different generations so it did not happen, but hey lets fantasise the ultimate boredom.)

Brian

Well the thread has got as boring as watching cricket with Geoff Boycott at one end and Trevor Bailey at the other.

(Fortunately they were of different generations so it did not happen, but hey lets fantasise the ultimate boredom.)

Brian

All it needed to reach its zenith was for someone to point out the obvious.

And I still look down on you!

you know that sketch??

Your reaction to this referenace has bored me. I do blame myself though - I should have known better.

I...if you don't think baseball is a contact sport, watch what happens when the pitcher hits the batter. Both benches empty and the fights can last for days (as can the suspensions).that's not contact, it's a temper tantrum:rolleyes:

The ones who are, have left, have you not noticed?



So you're the reason Kraj left:mad::p

So you're the reason Kraj left:mad::p

Nah, he left for his own reasons. I choose to stay out of spite and hatred :D

spite and hatred :D

On whose part was that though?:confused:

On whose part was that though?:confused:

http://history.swissroots.org/fileadmin/images/swiss_flag_large.gif

http://history.swissroots.org/fileadmin/images/swiss_flag_large.gif

How on earth did the Swiss upset him?:confused:

Well the thread has got as boring as watching cricket with Geoff Boycott at one end and Trevor Bailey at the other.

(Fortunately they were of different generations so it did not happen, but hey lets fantasise the ultimate boredom.)

Brian

Or a Jessie Barfield at bat. He would come up to bat, you could go to the loo, get a beer and hot dog, meet a buddy and talk about old times, return to your seat and he would still be fouling off the close ones.

If Colin and Rich had been born in the US, they would be avid American football, baseball and basketball fans.
I feel sick. . . . . . .

To live in the USA, I would also have to carry a gun or several of, have a V8 gas guzzler, live on burgers and be at least 18 stone in weight.
Blindly worship the Prez, even if he's shite, have a US flag on a pole in the front garden to show how patriotic I am, go to church and fake religious belief

I'd have to wear a Hawaiian shirt and shorts on holiday. . . . .

Too late. . . . .I've been sick

Col

He left out Nascar though:rolleyes:

I feel sick. . . . . . .

To live in the USA, I would also have to carry a gun or several of, have a V8 gas guzzler, live on burgers and be at least 18 stone in weight.
Blindly worship the Prez, even if he's shite, have a US flag on a pole in the front garden to show how patriotic I am, go to church and fake religious belief

I'd have to wear a Hawaiian shirt and shorts on holiday. . . . .

Too late. . . . .I've been sick

Col

LOL, surely even our friends across the pond wont take that seriously.

Brian

LOL, surely even our friends across the pond wont take that seriously.

Brian

Of course not. Col would be wearing a Hawaiian shirt every day, not just when he's on vacation (for two short weeks a year)...

(for two short weeks a year)...

Is that all you get over there?:confused:

Of course not. Col would be wearing a Hawaiian shirt every day, not just when he's on vacation (for two short weeks a year)...

We don't have vacations here. We have holidays.

Life is one big holiday at the moment.

Martini on the patio tomorrow Bri?

Col

I have just learned today (Aug. 15) that Sam Pollack passed away. Most of you have probably never heard of Sam.
Sam Pollack was the General Manager of the Montreal Canadiens from 1968 to 1982.
In the 14 years that Sam ran the Canadiens, they never failed to make the playoffs.
The teams Sam built won the Stanley Cup 9 times, including 7 times in the decade of the 70's.
That is the equivilant of winning the Premiership 9 times in 14 years.
In hockey, the General Manager is responsible for hiring coaches, signing players and making trades.
Sam Pollack is still the yardstick by which other hockey GMs are measured.
The Canadiens won two more Cups after Sam retired, but they were essentially teams he had built.

A great man with an extraordinary eye for hockey talent, his death marks the end of an era in professional hockey.

Is that all you get over there?:confused:

Many if not most organizations start newly hired working stiffs at 2 weeks a year and then move it up to 3 weeks after 5 or so years of loyal toil. Another week is often added after 10 or 15 years.

I hear the French get 20 weeks a year of paid time-off...no wonder they drink so much...ala Col and his midday martinis...

Waiter!

Col and his midday martinis...

Waiter!
Midday??

10:30 am on the patio is the Martini time. (It's mostly lemonade though)

Not today though, going out for a run on the bike, it's nice and sunny and not too hot.

Col

Midday??

10:30 am on the patio is the Martini time. (It's mostly lemonade though)

Not today though, going out for a run on the bike, it's nice and sunny and not too hot.

Col
Its been persisting down most of the morning here, of course it was fine yesterday afternoon when I was indoors drinking cold beer whilst being bored by Liverpool and Toulouse, FYI Liverpool won 1-0, but that was the only saving grace in a dire game.

Brian