So what do you guys think? Is there that much of a fan base over there in london for this to be worth doing?

I'm not in London but - There is already show piece games and a team in the European league - there used to be anyhow. (in London)

Is it worth doing - I doubt it.

Prolly fail because Brits are into less sissy games, maybe they should try the Canadian version of North American Football!

I thought NFL Europe was no more? but maybe im wrong

I thought NFL Europe was no more? but maybe im wrong

There's your answer then.

?Haha alright then. i was just wondering why they thought that this would be different than the NFL Europe.. honestly i cant see the reason for doing it. they are talking about doing it up in toronto too... doesnt make sense

I am unaware of what the latest introduction of NFL to London is???

oh oh oh... here ya go

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2732567

http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/tickets/nfl-london-tickets-feature-1754.html

They'll sell tickets for a bomb and do plenty of merchandising - so short term its a winner I guess.

Long term I can't see anyone except expats, and unsporty teenage lads and vicarious inadequates being interested.

Prolly fail because Brits are into less sissy games, maybe they should try the Canadian version of North American Football!

That's why we just came second in the World in a real mans game:rolleyes:

I can see it selling out Wembly for a once a year event. Lots of hype and marketing to go along with it.
I don't see it going on a regular basis.
Brits will go once to see what all the fuss is about, but they have their own sports to keep them occupied.

There is one concept that I would like to see transferred to UK football. Colour at home, white on the road. No 6 different strips for your kids to pester you to buy.

I can see it selling out Wembly for a once a year event. Lots of hype and marketing to go along with it.
I don't see it going on a regular basis.
Brits will go once to see what all the fuss is about, but they have their own sports to keep them occupied.

There is one concept that I would like to see transferred to UK football. Colour at home, white on the road. No 6 different strips for your kids to pester you to buy.

It's not always that simple, there's also throwback uniforms.

[QUOTE=Pauldohert;639635
They'll sell tickets for a bomb and do plenty of merchandising - so short term its a winner I guess.

Long term I can't see anyone except expats, and unsporty teenage lads and vicarious inadequates being interested.[/QUOTE]

Actually they played pre-season games (exhibition) in London for 3 years back in the 90's. They got good crowds the first 2 years, the third was only about half filled so they stopped.
When you look at it, its a pretty expensive undertaking to fly 80-100 players plus trainers, coaches etc. to the UK, put them up at a hotel for a few days, feed them and hire a practice facility for just one game.
They probably turned a profit on this game, but an annual event would probably fizzle out after a year or two.
An NFL franchise based in London is not a reasonable probability for these reasons.

just heard opening day for basebal will be in japan this year.. for 2 teams boston and athletics..... i DO feel that this is a good idea.. worht the trip for the teams

?Haha alright then. i was just wondering why they thought that this would be different than the NFL Europe.. honestly i cant see the reason for doing it. they are talking about doing it up in toronto too... doesnt make sense

The Buffalo Bills are talking about playing two regular season home games in Toronto starting next season.
This is not without precedent. The Green Bay Packers played 2 home games a year in Milwaukee until the 1980's.
Toronto media mogul Ted Rogers is interested in acquiring the team. The current owner Ralph Wilson is in his 80's and has promised the team will not leave Buffalo while he is alive.
Once he passes its a pretty safe bet his children will sell the team. An NFL franchise goes for about $1 Billion these days (thats $999,999,990 Canadian) :D.
The question is, will the NFL allow a full time team in Canada? There is almost no interest in the US in teams outside America.
When the Toronto Blue Jays won two World's Series in the 1990's the TV ratings Stateside were the worst in the history of the sport.

they are talking about doing it up in toronto too... doesnt make sense

Yeah... they were talking about the Buffalo Bills playing at our stadium... as the BUFFALO Bills... because game attendance there is dropping every year.

If you want to move the team to Toronto to live, practice and play... MAKE IT A TORONTO TEAM

we dont lend out our fans.

BoUT we watch hockey eh?

BoUT we watch hockey eh?

Yes. Me likey hockey very much.

Yes. Me likey hockey very much.

If you like hockey then obviously you do not follow the grammatically incorrect LEAFS :eek:
Who is your second favourite team after the Habs?;)

If you like hockey then obviously you do not follow the grammatically incorrect LEAFS :eek:
Who is your second favourite team after the Habs?;)

I'll ignore the Habs comment...as for my second favourite team, it's not Ottawa, thats for sure!!
(they are a good team, I just can't bring myself to chear for them...)

I'd have to say Edmonton.

just heard opening day for basebal will be in japan this year.. for 2 teams boston and athletics..... i DO feel that this is a good idea.. worht the trip for the teams

I was in Kyoto towards end of Sept, and I'm sure the baseball game a couple went to watch included an American team called Boston something or other, I thing it was some kind of 4 team tournament.
The couple are cricket fanatics but love the razzmatazz of baseball.

Brian

boston? hmm they wont the world series this year.... nad i know its not technically the "world" series, so we dont have to go into this converstaion again.

boston? hmm they wont the world series this year.... nad i know its not technically the "world" series, so we dont have to go into this converstaion again.

PLEASE NOT AGAIN !!!!

i know right!????

boston? hmm they wont the world series this year.... nad i know its not technically the "world" series, so we dont have to go into this converstaion again.
So why not change the name? It is effectively a lie. Like the WMD that never were. Still if Bush can lie then I guess it's accepted as normal in the USA.

The US economy is in meltdown but they (Americans) say on the news there's no problem. Have a look in Detroit at the unemployment and misery there - can the rest of the USA be the same?

Col

Have a look in Detroit at the unemployment and misery there - Col

It should have been a Canadian city;):cool:

It should have been a Canadian city;):cool:

With a few exceptions, the Canadian economy is booming right now.

One exception is Windsor Ontario which is right across the river from Detroit and also is a major auto manufacturing centre.
The US car companies closed down the Canadian plants first, before the American ones.

With a few exceptions, the Canadian economy is booming right now.

One exception is Windsor Ontario which is right across the river from Detroit and also is a major auto manufacturing centre.
The US car companies closed down the Canadian plants first, before the American ones.

Well that's just part of my point, you wouldn't have had countless thousand whites fleeing the city in the 60's to start with;)

Is Detroit predominately black? The BBC interviewed some people but no whites.

If it is predominately black, that may explain the government dis-interest in helping, like in Louisiana.

Col

Is Detroit predominately black?
Col

That might explain why the whites left in droves after the sixties;)

Why doesn't the US start playing real sports then like Rugby etc.?:confused:

Why doesn't the US start playing real sports then like Rugby etc.?:confused:

Because they like schoolgirly games like rounders, and driving cars in circles because left and right turns are too complex for them.
Even if they do have 'contact' sports (like their "football") they have to be done up like michelin man to avoid breaking a nail or damaging their hairstyles.

Col

Wow, Col seems personally offended by the US not playing rugby...lol

Actually, the US does play rugby. Their team is called the "Eagles" (oddly enough).
You have to remember that rugby is very much a second-tier sport in North America. The game is played but mostly by amateurs. There's no Rugby League to siphon off the best players and give them lots of money to stay in condition for World Cups and the like.

Actually, the US does play rugby. Their team is called the "Eagles" (oddly enough).
You have to remember that rugby is very much a second-tier sport in North America. The game is played but mostly by amateurs. There's no Rugby League to siphon off the best players and give them lots of money to stay in condition for World Cups and the like.

Why does everything have to revolve around money over there?:rolleyes:

Hey you guys, quit pickin' on us Americans!

I was thinking as a gift towards better relations with the UK I am going to give you the NFL. That's right it's yours, have fun with it, but please be careful as some of our Football players are prone to being a bit naughty at times. I would go so far as to say they are "thugs", but once you get to know them you'll like them even less. Also, please make sure that they check in with their probation officers on a regular basis.

Oh, while I'm in such a giving mood I am going to give you our NBL too. It should be noted that the same care is required as above. I hope you enjoy my gift to you and please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery.

Enjoy!

We don't want any more gifts from abroad thanks, they always come with a price tag, and we now want to keep our money!
Anyway we prefer real games, hell next you'll be sending us nascar:mad::p

You ruined the surprise :(

If I had feelings, you could have hurt them.:D

We don't want any more gifts from abroad thanks, they always come with a price tag, and we now want to keep our money!
Anyway we prefer real games, hell next you'll be sending us nascar:mad::p

Nah, Nascar is too good for you. How about this (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2022/2074779532_5782397310.jpg) instead? :D

Yeah, so there!
And you know what? I DON'T LIKE PEAS!!!

Sorry, I guess I do have feelings after all. :p

We don't want any more gifts from abroad thanks, they always come with a price tag, and we now want to keep our money!


I don't know how to break it to you...nobody (but Brits) wants the pound. :rolleyes:

I don't know how to break it to you...nobody (but Brits) wants the pound. :rolleyes:

Why not? It's worth a lot more than the worthless dollar:rolleyes:

Why not? It's worth a lot more than the worthless dollar:rolleyes:

Because its more trouble than its worth. You have to change it into Euros which is what it should be to start with.

Because its more trouble than its worth. You have to change it into Euros which is what it should be to start with.

Why do you want euros in Toronto? :confused:

Brian

I gave you both the NFL & the NBL and this is how you act?

...and you can forget about nascar now too!

If NASCAR is such a pussy sport, then why are your top teir F1 and Indycar drivers wanting to drive in it so bad? And I might add, THEY SUCK AT IT!

If NASCAR is such a pussy sport, then why are your top teir F1 and Indycar drivers wanting to drive in it so bad? And I might add, THEY SUCK AT IT!

Define top and they're so bad at it because they're not used to just driving round in circles

Montoya, Carpontier, Franciti. And they suck at it because they can't DRIVE a car. Sure its easy to turn the steering wheel in those tiny, low to the ground cars and drive with the accelerator. Its a whole nother thing to get up on the wheel and actually drive with the steering wheel and set the car up properly going into the corner. Whole lot less room for error, especially if you expect to be good.

Montoya, Carpontier, Franciti..

Never heard of 'em; like I said, defineTOP:confused:

Why do you want euros in Toronto? :confused:

Brian

Every other place in the EC uses the Euro except Britain. No exchange hassles when going from country to country. I remember the pre-Euro days. Ever try to exchange Austrian schillings in Canada...forget about it.

Note: Switzerland is NOT a member of the EC.

Every other place in the EC uses the Euro except Britain. No exchange hassles when going from country to country. I remember the pre-Euro days. Ever try to exchange Austrian schillings in Canada...forget about it.

Note: Switzerland is NOT a member of the EC.
Not quite correct. Sweden and Denmark- both members of the EU - do not use the Euro. Also many of the new entrants to the EU also do not use the Euro.

Not quite correct. Sweden and Denmark- both members of the EU - do not use the Euro. Also many of the new entrants to the EU also do not use the Euro.

Wasn't the Prime Minister of Sweden killed because of the change to the Euro?

I'm just asking. Or did the shooting work and they stayed as is?

Never heard of 'em; like I said, defineTOP:confused:

If you've never heard of these guys then you obviously don't know much about racing in general.

If you've never heard of these guys then you obviously don't know much about racing in general.

No I don't watch either, but one is even more boring than the other. Nah give me GP or speedway with bikes:cool:

If you've never heard of these guys then you obviously don't know much about racing in general.

Why is it that Yanks think the whole planet likes or is interested in NASCAR? It's boring going round and round flat out for 200 laps, no skill whatsoever.:rolleyes:
I'm sure people only go in the hope a driver may be killed or seriously injured in a big smash. It satisfies the Yankee killing instinct.

Col

Why is it that Yanks think the whole planet likes or is interested in NASCAR? It's boring going round and round flat out for 200 laps, no skill whatsoever.:rolleyes:
I'm sure people only go in the hope a driver may be killed or seriously injured in a big smash. It satisfies the Yankee killing instinct.

Col

Yep, shot and killed a couple Nascar drivers myself today with my GUNS! ;)

Yep, shot and killed a couple Nascar drivers myself today with my GUNS! ;)

Only a couple?:confused::p

Only a couple?:confused::p

Yeah, it was a slow day. I'm a little overweight from my super sized fries, so some got away. ;) :p

going round and round flat out for 200 laps, no skill whatsoever.:rolleyes:

No skill whatsoever? 200 laps = 800 corners
Have you ever made 800 consecutive left turns at 200+ mph??
:p

Oh please, don't give the Brits anymore fuel for the fire. While NASCAR might require skill at driving, the skill has been watered down by team ownership. One driver basically is picked to be the winner for the team and the other drivers are the point men. And let's not even begin to talk about the fan base.

Yeah, it was a slow day. I'm a little overweight from my super sized fries, so some got away. ;) :p

You didn't get hooked on the sushi then?:confused::p

No skill whatsoever? 200 laps = 800 corners
Have you ever made 800 consecutive left turns at 200+ mph??
:p

Look up the 24hr LeMans for the real art of skill in a car:cool::p

Look up the 24hr LeMans for the real art of skill in a car:cool::p

isnt that the breathing technique for women in labor????:D:D:p:p

Look up the 24hr LeMans for the real art of skill in a car:cool::p

I quite enjoy watching LeMans. NASCAR, not so much. I agree that it is boring to watch.

That being said, I think it takes a tremendous amount of skill to control a car at those speeds, and to maintain those speeds around an oval with 50 other cars potentially within inches of the one you are driving.

I would like to see it in real life sometime... maybe it won't be quite so boring :rolleyes:

Nah, go to a real race track like say Brands Hatch and watch the motor bikes racing, far more exciting:cool:

isnt that the breathing technique for women in labor????:D:D:p:p

Well not really, if they didn't make so much fuss labour would be over in about 5 minutes, it's just attention seeking:eek::cool:

Well not really, if they didn't make so much fuss labour would be over in about 5 minutes, it's just attention seeking:eek::cool:

Ladies:
I'll hold him down...you can beat on him.:rolleyes:

Well not really, if they didn't make so much fuss labour would be over in about 5 minutes, it's just attention seeking:eek::cool:

:eek: Wash that mouth out with soap! :mad::D

Ladies:
I'll hold him down...you can beat on him.:rolleyes:

Thanks statsman, I may take you up on that. :p

You didn't get hooked on the sushi then?:confused::p

Seafood??? No, honestly don't touch the stuff.

Well not really, if they didn't make so much fuss labour would be over in about 5 minutes, it's just attention seeking:eek::cool:

Don't they basically just knock them out nowadays anyway. With all of the wonderful pain-numbing drugs and easily hidden C-sec cuts without leaving scars, why would anyone go natural?

Nah, go to a real race track like say Brands Hatch and watch the motor bikes racing, far more exciting:cool:

I can't argue there. I find Nascar boring and love watching bike races. Maybe I'm supposed to be a Brit... :eek:

Seafood??? No, honestly don't touch the stuff.

Are we related Vas? we have so much in common:confused::D

:eek: Wash that mouth out with soap! :mad::D



That doesn't work with my Grandson, he eats the bloody stuff anyway:eek::D

That doesn't work with my Grandson, he eats the bloody stuff anyway:eek::D
Rich, A grandson and you are only 21.! You are a truly remarkable person as I am sure you know.:rolleyes::D:D

Rich, A grandson and you are only 21.! You are a truly remarkable person as I am sure you know.:rolleyes::D:D

Yes I had an early start in life:cool:

No skill whatsoever? 200 laps = 800 corners
Have you ever made 800 consecutive left turns at 200+ mph??
:p

There arn't 800 corners as such because the tracks are oval in shape so the 'corners' at the ends are just one gentle curve.

If there were proper corners, the drivers would get confused because they may have to change gear or ease off on the accelerator.

Ex F1 drivers do it for the money - which is massive and also because it's less strenuous than F1. Thats why Michael Andretti gave up a brief foray into F1 - he just couldn't hack it. So he decided to go the easy money route in NASCAR

Col

Edit - I mentioned gear changing, which was silly, most US cars are auto so thats even easier.

Actually NASCAR cars have manual transmissions. Otherwise they couldn't push start them when they won't start (check footwork shots in "Days of Thunder").
Some Americans do prefer the manual to the automatic. It's just finding a car where its available.
The auto companies made the choice to go to automatics, not the consumer. A friend of mine only drives cars with manual transmissions. The dealer usually had to special order it.
Of course the Pontiac or Chev at the dealership bears very little resemblance to the one the track anyway (exept for the body).

Michael Andretti's father Mario made a brief pit stop in F1 back in the 70's. Seems Ferrari lost a driver, the NASCAR season was over and Mario filled in for the last 3 F1 races that season. Finished in the top 10 in all 3 as I recall. He was already under contract for the following NASCAR season so that was the extent of his F1.

Are we related Vas? we have so much in common:confused::D

Probably, but since you are so young, you must be a younger brother I never knew. :D

I went to the NFL match at Wembley and thoroughly enjoyed it. I think some of you would be surprised how many proper NFL fans there are in the UK. The amount of people with team shirts on at the match tells me very few people were there 'out of curiosity'. The reason the pre-season games stopped being successful is because they were pre-season games. Us Brit NFL fans don't want to see second string players in a meaningless match. I'm sure a regular season game every other year will continue to sell out (It will be every other year at most because Germany will get the other game).

I went to the NFL match at Wembley and thoroughly enjoyed it. I think some of you would be surprised how many proper NFL fans there are in the UK. The amount of people with team shirts on at the match tells me very few people were there 'out of curiosity'. The reason the pre-season games stopped being successful is because they were pre-season games. Us Brit NFL fans don't want to see second string players in a meaningless match. I'm sure a regular season game every other year will continue to sell out (It will be every other year at most because Germany will get the other game).

I'm curious...with the time difference and the London game being shown at 4PM Eastern time in N America...what time did the game start London time?

In my head I remember it being a 7pm Kick-off London time but if it was 4pm EST then it must have been 8pm, I do remember getting home pretty late! A great thing about the NFL is that you can drink beer in your seat unlike at the Football (soccer). I went to the England v Croatia match a couple of weeks later and there was no alcohol for sale in the entire stadium! At least at most football grounds in the UK you can have a drink in the concourse.