Firstly not a pop at the Yanks - however this is the 3rd time this has happened and needs to be address
once for Cat Stevens - world renowned music artist - peace activist
and twice to a standing UK MP

Now I know security is an issue but blimly what a cock up. story follows


gary (slightly mad over this one):mad:


Minister detained at US airport

Mr Malik said he had also been stopped and searched last year
Britain's first Muslim minister, Shahid Malik, says he is "deeply disappointed" that he was detained by airport security officials in America.
The international development minister was stopped and searched at Washington DC's Dulles airport after a series of meetings on tackling terrorism.

Mr Malik, MP for Dewsbury, West Yorks, had his hand luggage checked for explosives when returning to Heathrow.

He said the same thing happened to him at JFK airport in New York last year.

On that occasion he had been a keynote speaker at an event organised by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), alongside the FBI and Muslim organisations, to talk about tackling extremism and defeating terrorism.

'Respect needed'

Mr Malik said he had received numerous apologies and assurances from the US authorities after that incident.

But he was again searched and detained by DHS officials on Sunday.

Mr Malik said two other Muslims were also detained.

"I am deeply disappointed," he said.

"The abusive attitude I endured last November I forgot about and I forgave, but I really do believe that British ministers and parliamentarians should be afforded the same respect and dignity at USA airports that we would bestow upon our colleagues in the Senate and Congress.

"Obviously, there was no malice involved but it has to be said that the USA system does not inspire confidence."

That type of security is a joke - overkill in the airports while on the ground people are streaming into USA with their luggage by ducking under undefended fences or hopping the 6 foot ditch in the south west and floating ashore in the south east. Or just strolling across in the North to do shopping at one of the many crossings that still work on the honour system.
Whos to say, maybe one of these refugees or cross border shoppers just might be more dangerous to the general public then Shahid Malik!

I thought you didn't like to give your MPs preferential treatment. :confused:

I get my carry-on items searched all the time. So does my four year old boy.

I don't care, my boy gets bent out of shape though when they inspect his Thomas the tank engine and friends.

Mr Malik: get over it. We all have to go through the same crap :rolleyes:

http://www.kantor.com/blog/images/angrythomas.jpg

Dan- I think you missed the point here -
he is a VIP guest , I don't think you would approve of your president been frisked .. or any of your senitors -

and given that he was invite by the DHS to give a talk on how to combat terrorism and then give the terrorism fuel to say - look how they treated invited guests ,

I have been stateside numerous times and never had this -
because he's a muslim lets frisk him even though he's a VIP and a guest of the US ,

I am not against security - but given that the US throw Cat Stevens out of the country - he has numerous awards for his peace work ..

diplomates are meant to be above this ...

Firstly not a pop at the Yanks - however this is the 3rd time this has happened and needs to be address
once for Cat Stevens - world renowned music artist - peace activist
and twice to a standing UK MP

Now I know security is an issue but blimly what a cock up. story follows


gary (slightly mad over this one):mad:


Minister detained at US airport

Mr Malik said he had also been stopped and searched last year
Britain's first Muslim minister, Shahid Malik, says he is "deeply disappointed" that he was detained by airport security officials in America.
The international development minister was stopped and searched at Washington DC's Dulles airport after a series of meetings on tackling terrorism.

Mr Malik, MP for Dewsbury, West Yorks, had his hand luggage checked for explosives when returning to Heathrow.

He said the same thing happened to him at JFK airport in New York last year.

On that occasion he had been a keynote speaker at an event organised by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), alongside the FBI and Muslim organisations, to talk about tackling extremism and defeating terrorism.

'Respect needed'

Mr Malik said he had received numerous apologies and assurances from the US authorities after that incident.

But he was again searched and detained by DHS officials on Sunday.

Mr Malik said two other Muslims were also detained.

"I am deeply disappointed," he said.

"The abusive attitude I endured last November I forgot about and I forgave, but I really do believe that British ministers and parliamentarians should be afforded the same respect and dignity at USA airports that we would bestow upon our colleagues in the Senate and Congress.

"Obviously, there was no malice involved but it has to be said that the USA system does not inspire confidence."

I would have to ask if Mr Malik offered any form of identification prior to his search?

I myself feel safer in the knowledge that this man was stopped and checked, if Mr Malik did not offer any identification prior to his check then he should have been checked.

Even if ID was given he should still have been checked, he was after all using public transporation and it is in the safety interest of all the public that these checks be carried out.

I for one am glad to see that the checks are in place and are working.

All of this is of course just one side of the story. He probably got an attitude when asked for credentials... :rolleyes:

I have been stateside numerous times and never had this -
because he's a muslim lets frisk him even though he's a VIP and a guest of the US ,


You've never been frisked :confused:

Tell me which airports you're going through, my son would love to know ;)

If you can tell me the reason why I get frisked everytime I go through Lexington airport please let me know. By the way, I'm not Muslim. Oh and I have white skin too.

I wonder if I've ever been searched by a muslim and they're just getting their own back. :confused:

Anyway Mr Malik, you've had your apology. I know I'll never get one. Now whether that's because I'm not a muslim or a UK MP, I don't know. But I can assure you Mr Malik, my boy gets just as pissed as you do, when some stranger he's never seen before starts going through his s_*t! He doesn't know what a terror suspect is yet, but if he did that would make him really mad.

no - I never beeen frisked stateside
UK side yeah...
Gatwick 3 times 1 flight ,
once when i walked into the airport
once at secuirty -just pass te xray machine)
and once just before you board the plane

i don't mind

but given that if you are a VIP guest - I would not expect this - and also a diplomate as well..
but as Ken has pointed out - we are hearing only 1 side of the story ..
g

The guy should shut up, cooperate and try to set an example for the general public. Think of all the hassle he's caused the over worked security staff by his pitiful complaining. And if they want need to scrutinize the US officials on the flip side then more power to 'em- they’re probably over there making shady deals and screwing more things up anyway

:rolleyes:

Ken ..
would you be equally as happy if we frisked one of your senitors ??

If so then I'll take it all back - but would your senitor take this equally with as much grace -

I don't think this is a moan ,but I thinks he is trying to point out that the view from a muslim point of view is that if you go to america they think you are a terrorist , which is not true

The guy should shut up, cooperate and try to set an example for the general public. Think of all the hassle he's caused the over worked security staff by his pitiful complaining. And if they want need to scrutinize the US officials on the flip side then more power to 'em- they’re probably over there making shady deals and screwing more things up anyway

:rolleyes:

Apparently they like to come over for their cowboy suits (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/07/22/story8991.asp) :p

Ken ..
would you be equally as happy if we frisked one of your senitors ??

Oh yes indeedy. :D

Repeat:

And if they want need to scrutinize the US officials on the flip side then more power to 'em- they’re probably over there making shady deals and screwing more things up anyway

If I had it my way our elected officals would be followed and frisked everwhere they go, even to the toliet. I don't think I'd even let them go out of the country - :mad: There's enough to work on in the states, why do they need to go all over the world screwing things up...:o

To Dan and Ken
then I stand corrected
frisk away -

:D

Apparently they like to come over for their cowboy suits (http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/07/22/story8991.asp) :p



john Prescott -
ahh what a charater - although not my party - he has been a bit of a working class hero -
this is the guy who throw a punch at a guy who throw an egg at him
and gained the respect of most of the country because of it -
quickly lost it thereafter - for all sortsd of things
the list is too long to go into
but at least an honest crook ..

Sorry if I was a point austere Gary, I must have been having flash backs of my last hour long wait to be frisked at the airport...:)

Sorry if I was a point austere Gary, I must have been having flash backs of my last hour long wait to be frisked at the airport...:)
no worries

I always get the hairy arsed gorilla - never the good looking girlie


g

Makes a person wonder if they really wanted to go in the first place :p:p

no worries

I always get the hairy arsed gorilla - never the good looking girlie

g

If you want to be frisked by the good looking girlie, next time ask specifically for the hairy arsed gorilla and wink at him ;)

If you want to be frisked by the good looking girlie, next time ask specifically for the hairy arsed gorilla and wink at him ;)

tried that thats why i got the 3rd frisk (lol)

Tell the UK Foreign Office to give Mr. Malik a diplomatic passport.

No more seaches.

Why is Mr. Malik flying with the ordinary people in a commercial flight? Give him an RAF plane or a dedicated British Airways plane. Allow him to land in a military airport in USA. He will be received by the appropripate US official according to protocol.

I have no problem if a US senator is searched in a British airport. They will then learn how the ordinary citizens live.

Why is Mr. Malik flying with the ordinary people in a commercial flight? Give him an RAF plane or a dedicated British Airways plane. Allow him to land in a military airport in USA. He will be received by the appropripate US official according to protocol.

I have no problem if a US senator is searched in a British airport. They will then learn how the ordinary citizens live.

again damned if he flys in a separate airplane - carbon footprint and all-
so MP's try to fly "normal "-- first class of course .

but i would of thought a visit to the defence people would have been revieved by a manger/supervisor to meet and greet and ease this .. but hell worse shit happens - its jsut twice in a row for this guy ...

john Prescott -
ahh what a charater - although not my party - he has been a bit of a working class hero -
this is the guy who throw a punch at a guy who throw an egg at him
and gained the respect of most of the country because of it -
quickly lost it thereafter - for all sortsd of things
the list is too long to go into
but at least an honest crook ..

Are you seriously saying that this corrupt, overstuffed buffoon with the intellect of a gnat and the charm of a hungry boa constrictor "gained the respect of most of the country"? I beg to differ, I believe the majority of people who saw that fight felt he was no better than the moron with the egg. What a role model for the young. Jeeesus.

It showed that he wasn't prepared to make a sound bite out of it- and although corrupt aren't they all..

if you look at the news at the time and looked around most people impression of him was raised at that point -- however the affairs etc afterwards ruined it

g

Are you seriously saying that this corrupt, overstuffed buffoon with the intellect of a gnat and the charm of a hungry boa constrictor "gained the respect of most of the country"? I beg to differ, I believe the majority of people who saw that fight felt he was no better than the moron with the egg. What a role model for the young. Jeeesus.

Sounds like he and w may be cut from the same cloth:

He has gained a reputation in the British press for confused speech, mangled syntax and grammar. The Guardian columnist Simon Hoggart once commented: "Every time Prescott opens his mouth, it's like someone has flipped open his head and stuck in an egg whisk.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prescott)

:p
ken

Sounds like he and w may be cut from the same cloth:



Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prescott)

:p
ken

Fortunately, unlike Dubya he wasn't running the country, we had the wonderful Mr Bliar at the time. Now of course we have the steady, incorruptible and principled Mr Brown who doesn't believe in spin. Well not much more than your average Dervish.

There I was thinking that this thread was about that superbowl half time show...

There I was thinking that this thread was about that superbowl half time show...

tell me more......

Are you seriously saying that this corrupt, overstuffed buffoon with the intellect of a gnat and the charm of a hungry boa constrictor "gained the respect of most of the country"? I beg to differ, I believe the majority of people who saw that fight felt he was no better than the moron with the egg. What a role model for the young. Jeeesus.

Not to mention that if the ordinary man in the street had reacted the way Prescott did then they would have been arrested and prosecuted for taking the law into their own hands! It's time the Bliar party was kicked out:mad:

So the guy with the egg got nothing? Maybe they should be outlawed. Then when you go through the airport you'd get to go through a metal detector and an egg detector...

And if you did get prosecuted for carry a concealed egg your sentence would depend on where it was raw, hard boiled, etc. Of course a hard boiled sentence would be stiffer because it would obviously be pre-meditated...

And of course the law abiding citizen would have no problem requesting a permit to carry an egg...

:rolleyes:

Not to mention that if the ordinary man in the street had reacted the way Prescott did then they would have been arrested and prosecuted for taking the law into their own hands! It's time the Bliar party was kicked out:mad:

Blimey twice in 10 days ---- total agree gasp.....

Fortunately, unlike Dubya he wasn't running the country, we had the wonderful Mr Bliar at the time. Now of course we have the steady, incorruptible and principled Mr Brown who doesn't believe in spin. Well not much more than your average Dervish.

No but Brown now changes his mind on what's good for the country every 7days:rolleyes:
Charge people extra for throwing out their rubbish, how many will start bonfires in their back gardens? Still it's all good for the environment eh:rolleyes::mad:

No but Brown now changes his mind on what's good for the country every 7days:rolleyes:
Charge people extra for throwing out their rubbish, how many will start bonfires in their back gardens? Still it's all good for the environment eh:rolleyes::mad:


Now stop this ...
this is the 3rd time I agree with you - people will begin to talk -..

So the guy with the egg got nothing? Maybe they should be outlawed. Then when you go through the airport you'd get to go through a metal detector and an egg detector...

And if you did get prosecuted for carry a concealed egg your sentence would depend on where it was raw, hard boiled, etc. Of course a hard boiled sentence would be stiffer because it would obviously be pre-meditated...

And of course the law abiding citizen would have no problem requesting a permit to carry an egg...

:rolleyes:
How dare you! If you only understood the histoyr behind it you wouldn't say such things. The British people have a long tradition of carrying eggs, dating back to the section in the Magna Carta which states that we are allowed to carry "..an omelette or other hen-based food items", in case of French invasion (permission which we are perfectly willing to twist into our 'right to bear eggs').

Plus, it's only the thought that the other guy may be carrying a few free range that forces polite debate. If everyone was made to carry them, there would be no eggings at all. :)

Public official or not, if another bully type hit's me with an egg I see no problem going after him and punching him in the nose - :)

And I do think it sends the correct message to the youngsters, act a fool by throwing and egg and the guy may come after you - aka: Don't throw eggs at people. duh...

Ken

How dare you! If you only understood the histoyr behind it you wouldn't say such things. The British people have a long tradition of carrying eggs, dating back to the section in the Magna Carta which states that we are allowed to carry "..an omelette or other hen-based food items", in case of French invasion (permission which we are perfectly willing to twist into our 'right to bear eggs').

Plus, it's only the thought that the other guy may be carrying a few free range that forces polite debate. If everyone was made to carry them, there would be no eggings at all. :)

Fortunately when Canada adopted a constitution in 1867 they did include a clause in which all Canadians would retain this right passed down from British rule which had always been a sore point between French and ENglish Canada. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed over the past 140 years and we are very proud of being one of the few countries in the world which has both a english EggMarketing Agency (http://www.canadaegg.ca/bins/index.asp) and a french Office des Oeufs (http://www.canadaegg.ca/bins/index.asp?cid=1&lang=2). :D

Walk quietly - carry a big egg;)

Fortunately when Canada adopted a constitution in 1867 they did include a clause in which all Canadians would retain this right passed down from British rule which had always been a sore point between French and ENglish Canada. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed over the past 140 years and we are very proud of being one of the few countries in the world which has both a english EggMarketing Agency (http://www.canadaegg.ca/bins/index.asp) and a french Office des Oeufs (http://www.canadaegg.ca/bins/index.asp?cid=1&lang=2). :D

You seem to have over looked our long held and cherished right to carry a hockey puck.

You seem to have over looked our long held and cherished right to carry a hockey puck.

A common misconception. Although asserted as a 'right' by many Canadians, the carrying of a puck is at the discretion of a provincial governing body.;)

A what would a typical argument against the right to carry a puck in public be?

:)
ken

A what would a typical argument against the right to carry a puck in public be?

:)
ken
"I should be able to carry a puck, eh?"
"No you shouldn't, eh?"
etc. :)

"I should be able to carry a puck, eh?"
"No you shouldn't, eh?"
etc. :)

Comedian huh?

Comedian huh?

More of a social observer.

'social observer' - Sounds like a tabloid - :)

Are 'Alc' your initials or is there some other story behind it?

'social observer' - Sounds like a tabloid - :)

Are 'Alc' your initials or is there some other story behind it?
It's an abbreviation of a character from my favourite book.

Hum... What kind of book? (trivia time)

Hum... What kind of book? (trivia time)
Historical fiction.

Then I'm sure you've lost me :)

ken

That word "historical" does kinda catch Americans out. ;)

:D Brian

Like Brits are keen on 'Fiction' ;)

:Dken

Our government is full of it.

Brian

That word "historical" does kinda catch Americans out. ;)

:D Brian
And that, people, is how to do a light-hearted dig.
:D:D:D:D

Maybe I should have said 'some brits appear' etc...

:)

Maybe I should have said 'some brits appear' etc...

:)

Why? Being keen on fiction is ok isn't it, provided that you acknowledge what it is, unlike Bliar and Bush, and now Brown.
What's with these Bs.?
Oh and please spell Brits with a capital B.:)

Brian

I know of at least one Brit whom appears to have a fictionalized view of american culture... :p

LOL

Brian

I know of at least one Brit whom appears to have a fictionalized view of american culture... :p

Yes he's called Bliar :rolleyes:

Yes he's called Bliar :rolleyes:

I think that you've got that very wrong, he fully understands American culture and is using that knowledge to make millions.

Brian

I think that you've got that very wrong, he fully understands American culture and is using that knowledge to make millions.

Brian

Yes and he's now a peace ambassador for the Middle East:rolleyes:

I know of at least one Brit whom appears to have a fictionalized view of american culture... :p

Anyone noticed how quiet I've been this week?

Don't worry though, it's only a lull:)

Col

a7 or b2?


A:
lull /lʌl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[luhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) 1. to put to sleep or rest by soothing means: to lull a child by singing.
2. to soothe or quiet.
3. to give or lead to feel a false sense of safety; cause to be less alert, aware, or watchful.
–verb (used without object) 4. to quiet down, let up, or subside: furious activity that finally lulled.
–noun 5. a temporary calm, quiet, or stillness: a lull in a storm.
6. a soothing sound: the lull of falling waters.
7. a pacified or stupefied condition: The drug had put him in a lull.


B:
lull (lŭl) Pronunciation Key
v. lulled, lull·ing, lulls

v. tr.

1. To cause to sleep or rest; soothe or calm.
2. To deceive into trustfulness: "that honeyed charm that he used so effectively to lull his victims" (S.J. Perelman).


:)
ken

I like the 2nd one.

What's the phrase? 'To lull them into a false sense of security'. . . . . . .

Col

Quote:
Originally Posted by KenHigg
I know of at least one Brit whom appears to have a fictionalized view of american culture...

Anyone noticed how quiet I've been this week?

Don't worry though, it's only a lull:)

Col

Col

Is this a case of if the cap fits...

Brian

Yes and he's now a peace ambassador for the Middle East:rolleyes:

I think that this admitting that his post~58 was erroneous. Is this a first? :rolleyes:

Brian :)

Anyone noticed how quiet I've been this week?

Don't worry though, it's only a lull:)

Col

Yes, it has been nice and peaceful this week. It's been enjoyable. :cool:

Yes, it has been nice and peaceful this week. It's been enjoyable. :cool:

And last week.:)

Col

Yes, it has been nice and peaceful this week. It's been enjoyable. :cool:

Then why have you not been posting here?:confused:

Then why have you not been posting here?:confused:

I'm posting here now. :confused:

And last week. :)

The last two days have been busy, but I've been around. Just haven't been posting much.

I'm posting here now. :confused:

And last week. :)

The last two days have been busy, but I've been around. Just haven't been posting much.

You haven't been very prolific here though in the last two weeks:confused:;)

You haven't been very prolific here though in the last two weeks:confused:;)

Well, I'm not really sure how prolific I am normally. :eek:

I have been visiting more the last couple of weeks than I was for a while. :)

Well, I'm not really sure how prolific I am normally. :eek:

I have been visiting more the last couple of weeks than I was for a while. :)

I haven't seen anything posted thats interesting over the last week or so.

The only line worth noting was Doc saying nowhere in the USA was safe to live - something we've been saying for years and keep getting chastised for.

Col

It's not safe in the UK either, so what...

It's not safe in the UK either, so what...

Really? and why does a redneck think that?

Can you tell me what the dangers are of living in Sevenoaks, in Kent please? or maybe Minehead in Somerset?

Remember it was Doc that said the original statement not me.

Col

Well, I'm not really sure how prolific I am normally. :eek:



You're usually quite prolific in slagging off Rich and my posts - yet you let the Yanks say whatever they like without any comment.

Col

Can you tell me what the dangers are of living in Sevenoaks, in Kent please? or maybe Minehead in Somerset?

Col
If we're going to be serious instead of just provocative...

Sorry Col but that's disingenuous and the product of skewed selection, how about the dangers say of living in Liverpool, Bristol or Birmingham to say nothing of the many small towns here that become no-go areas for anyone over 25 on a Saturday night? Any towns in Essex with high crime figures? I live in Stratford upon Avon as you know and twenty years ago crime here virtually didn't exist, sadly it's a different story now.

We really can't hold the moral high ground on gun and knife crime anymore.

Did you miss the statistics published recently and mentioned on the Beeb of the number of Under 12s in Britain who admitted to having carried a knife?
How about the increasing numbers of shootings here? Teen on teen shootings and knifings are starting to happen here with increasing frequency. A headmaster is murdered at his school gates, innocent kids get shot down.

You might say where America leads we follow, would that be their fault or ours?

Really? and why does a redneck think that?

Can you tell me what the dangers are of living in Sevenoaks, in Kent please? or maybe Minehead in Somerset?

Remember it was Doc that said the original statement not me.

Col

Have you been to 7oaks in the evening ..... it is not that safe- ...
the amount of fights i have seen come pub closing time

7Oaks has two extremes the Posh lot and then the "lower Working Class"
and I mean lower than the working class here

Teen on teen shootings and knifings are starting to happen here with increasing frequency. A headmaster is murdered at his school gates, innocent kids get shot down.

You might say where America leads we follow, would that be their fault or ours?

You needn't worry Barry, the labour party is going to get tough on crime and the causes of crime and of course we need a debate on whether the criminal has more civil rights than the victim:rolleyes:

I think that this admitting that his post~58 was erroneous. Is this a first? :rolleyes:

Brian :)

Well no Brian, you see Bliar read and believed the fictional account that the US always acts in every body elses interests as the world policeman, when the idiot finally realised what everyone else knew he became addicted to the real me first attitude of the US:rolleyes:

You needn't worry Barry, the labour party is going to get tough on crime and the causes of crime and of course we need a debate on whether the criminal has more civil rights than the victim:rolleyes:


I shall sleep safer in my bed then.:rolleyes:

Silence is golden...case closed. :)

Silence is golden...case closed. :)

Eh? :confused::confused:

You're usually quite prolific in slagging off Rich and my posts - yet you let the Yanks say whatever they like without any comment.

Col

I, for one, have missed the infantile whining over the last couple of weeks.

I, for one, have missed the infantile whining over the last couple of weeks.

What brought you back then ?:confused:

What brought you back then ?:confused:

I don't remember leaving :confused:

I don't remember leaving :confused:

Think about it!:eek:

I, for one, have missed the infantile whining over the last couple of weeks.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far - Cindy does come out with valid points from time to time.

Col