At long last the US has done something to be pround of. The youth came out in force and threw off the shackles of the past, let's hope he succeeds


http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/01/barack-obama.jpg

Reality will arrive by next week.

There has been no change.

Alisa will still be an employee waiting for gov't etc.

Pulling out of Iraq won't happen because of the economics and "money goes here and money goes there"

However, the result is good and because at the end of 4 years the losers in America, Australia, Canada and England etc might learn that the answer is not in gov't.

PS,

I assume that Alisa and others will no longer complain about America's Health system or invasion of Iraq etc and etc:D

As a side note, why is Obama America's first black POTUS. I thought he was half white and half black. Perhaps the black genes are stronger because I think if he was a quarter black he would still be "America's first black POTUS"

It should also be kept in mind that the actual vote was very close, about 52/48

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

With all the support of the American mainstream media and the fuckups with Sarah etc and etc a 52/48 split suggests there are big divides ahead. Given all the support etc it should have been a at least a 60/40 split.

48% of American does not want Obama

Even more important is who cares what his race is? I'm more excited of what he will bring to our country and I stand behind him proudly as I always have.

Even more important is who cares what his race is? I'm more excited of what he will bring to our country and I stand behind him proudly as I always have.

He does not even have a vote in your parliament. He can only veto or not veto.

What are you expecting that he will bring to America?

What are you expecting that he will bring to America?

Change :cool:

Change :cool:

One of the interestings things is that the Alisas of the world reckon "trickle down" does not work:D

But I think there will be changes in countries like Australia, Canada and England where the vast majority of the population live in main cities. Although the changes will be media/superficial. In other words, the abos will still get drunk etc and etc. and live on welfare whic in turn will be driven by the 1/10th cast abos who make big money from the welfare.

Personally, I would have liked the Obama victory to have been at least a 60/40 split so he felt he had "more power" to put things in place by way of media appearances etc. At a 60/40 split then the "Alisas" of the world would have no excuses in the future.

I guess one of the good things for American self employeds is they can close the "sales" department and utopia arrives. No need to make money to pay wages etc.:D

It'll be different for the White House employees to work to the strains of "De Camptown Ladies" or "Zipidee Doo Da" instead of "The War of the Worlds".

Maybe he'll just get the White House sprayed a coffee colour and change the name, then he'll make his mark.

I'll bet they're absolutely sick in Republican Georgia and other Republican states. It must be the worst thing ever to try to get to grips with, a coloured man as President must be vomit inducing to the racists down there.

Maybe when New Orleans floods again he'll offer some help, and perhaps leave California to suffer when it burns itself out. It was so obvious that GWB never gave a toss about the struggling blacks in Louisiana. Yet the whites got all they needed in California.

The odds were 5-1 that he'll be killed before the end of his term. Naturally they've shortened now.

Col

One of the interestings things is that the Alisas of the world reckon "trickle down" does not work:D

But I think there will be changes in countries like Australia, Canada and England where the vast majority of the population live in main cities. Although the changes will be media/superficial. In other words, the abos will still get drunk etc and etc. and live on welfare whic in turn will be driven by the 1/10th cast abos who make big money from the welfare.

Personally, I would have liked the Obama victory to have been at least a 60/40 split so he felt he had "more power" to put things in place by way of media appearances etc. At a 60/40 split then the "Alisas" of the world would have no excuses in the future.

I guess one of the good things for American self employeds is they can close the "sales" department and utopia arrives. No need to make money to pay wages etc.:D

The Abos as you call them live in poverty because the Whiteys destroyed their livelihood, Alisa works for a living, I'm surprised that you should deride her for that, after all, she's making a living in the same way that the majority of your customers do

The Abos as you call them live in poverty because the Whiteys destroyed their livelihood, Alisa works for a living, I'm surprised that you should deride her for that, after all, she's making a living in the same way that the majority of your customers do


Yes, but unlike my customers (and my employees) she expects the world to move to her while she sits in her job.

The bad news for the Alisas of the world is that there has been no change in power. If the Alisas want more money, more power then they need to move on....sitting and waiting for gov't to deliver won't and can't happen.

But they will discover that at the end of 4 years. Perhaps if McCain had won then the Alisas would give up hope on gov't help. Maybe Alisa would use that Access knowledge to start a business etc.

The Abos as you call them live in poverty because the Whiteys destroyed their livelihood,

Not correct.

The full bloods are happy people or at least they use to be. The do gooders fucked up the full bloods. Lots of gov't money to be tapped into:)

The full bloods were very happy working on properties for board and keep and being able to go "walk about". But then the "wage" had to be paid. That of course changed things. Can't go walk about then.

1/10th cast abos need to keep the current sitiuation going. :mad: They have completely fucked up the full bloods.

Not correct.

The full bloods are happy people or at least they use to be. The do gooders fucked up the full bloods. Lots of gov't money to be tapped into:)

The full bloods were very happy working on properties for board and keep and being able to go "walk about". But then the "wage" had to be paid. That of course changed things. Can't go walk about then.

1/10th cast abos need to keep the current sitiuation going. :mad: They have completely fucked up the full bloods.

No the Whiteys changed their way of living and then complain when they use the Whitey method in return

Yes, but unlike my customers (and my employees) she expects the world to move to her while she sits in her job.


She can of course seek promotion



The bad news for the Alisas of the world is that there has been no change in power. If the Alisas want more money, more power then they need to move on....sitting and waiting for gov't to deliver won't and can't happen.



Of course it can, one only has to look back here one or two generations to see how the working class have moved up to middle class, that's been brought about by change in the "old guard"



But they will discover that at the end of 4 years. Perhaps if McCain had won then the Alisas would give up hope on gov't help. Maybe Alisa would use that Access knowledge to start a business etc

If McCain had won the world would have given up

No the Whiteys changed their way of living and then complain when they use the Whitey method in return

The full bloods don't use any method, just wished to be left alone and return to the old days.

The 1/10th casts have use Whiteys methods to collect the money and fuck up the full bloods.

She can of course seek promotion

That would be better than waiting for Obama to help. Actually, I feel sorry for the Alisas of the world (and especially America) when in a few months time Obama is ducking and weaving.




Of course it can, one only has to look back here one or two generations to see how the working class have moved up to middle class, that's been brought about by change in the "old guard"

I don't know about that. My parents were working class (father a motor mechanic) but today both husband and wife need to work to make ends meet, assuming of cousre they are Alisa types. I suspect that the opportunities for very big money for the go getters has greatly increased, in fact I know it has.





If McCain had won the world would have given up

Not so. It was a 52/48 split. Given all the media support for Obama, McCain looking like he had just come off the bowling green and with the "Bush" situation, the split should have been much bigger than 52/48.

I think I stuffed up the quote system:D No, I seem to have got it working:)

You are both right in your own ways.

The problem with aboriginals, and this is throughout the world, is not that they are uncivilised, and I think you’ll find that most modern day colonists would never label them as such. What has happened is that the British Empire colonised their countries, and seen them as savages to be tamed. They had our values beaten into them, sometimes physically but mostly mentally through “missionaries”, and were taught that their own traditions and values were at the least meaningless, at the worst, paving their way to eternal damnation.

Certainly in Africa you find that many of the aboriginal people there follow some or other Christian order and have now lost their routs.

The point that Mike is making, I believe, is that it was the white mans values of having to pay the aboriginals to work the land that has changed their way of life. No employer will pay you to not turn up to work, they have even recently introduced a time clocking system into the Vatican, so walk about for them is now a story of their Ancestors. Because we have “westernised” them each generation becomes more dependent on our system of using money to buy what they need, or more to the point don’t need but have been brain washed into believing they do.

We have lost a valuable resource to the world in inflicting these changes to people. They were the ones who would care and tend our earth, we stripped them of that and now wonder why, when we now think they are ready to run their own countries, they do it in a confused and dangerous manner, causing both war and famine.

Do you think we might have learned anything from our interference? I doubt it. I’m confident that if we colonised another planet we’d do it all over again. The fact is we are arrogant, if a group of people don’t work and live by the same morals and values as us we set out to change them, rather than understand them and, oh, who knows, maybe learn from them?

Congratulations to the democrats - the world might not have given up if McCain had got in but I think there would have been widescale disappointment.

Maybe close in America but extending the vote to the rest of the world would have seen a landslide.

Lets us all wish President-Elect Obama the best of luck. With the Bush legacy he is going to need it.

I'll bet they're absolutely sick in Republican Georgia and other Republican states. It must be the worst thing ever to try to get to grips with, a coloured man as President must be vomit inducing to the racists down there.

Not at all. He seems like a nice, really smart guy and I, like Vas am proud to be American right now and I hope he will bring the change we need. And because he will be our new President I'll try to support what ever decisions he makes.

Geeze Col, You really must think we do behave like they do in the dukes of hazard. You should turn off the tele and get out more :)

Congrats Obama.

I dont follow American politics (or even English ones for that matter :P), but could somebody please answer this:

What is Obama's policy on Iraq? will he be sending all the troops home?

Geeze Col, You really must think we do behave like they do in the dukes of hazard. You should turn off the tele and get out more :)

I wouldn't miss Dukes of Hazzard - Daisy Duke is amazing.

Col

What is Obama's policy on Iraq? will he be sending all the troops home?


Of course not - once he gets his nose in the money trough, it's more lucrative for him to send more Americans to their death.

He's already vowed to increase the troops in Afghanistan, so there must be lucrative contracts to be dished out there to big US companies.

Col

I don't know what his policy is but I think we (America) should admit we haven't handled the whole thing very well and ask an international coalition like the UN to take over. But I'm not dug in and open to suggestions. I just don't want America to have to foot the entire bill...

I wouldn't miss Dukes of Hazzard - Daisy Duke is amazing.

Col

Case closed - ;)

I just don't want America to have to foot the entire bill...

Why not? It's your war.

Col

A. I don't consider it a war.
B. If somebody else wants to put their 2 cents in then they should belly up with a few resources. I don't think that’s unreasonable.

Hey Mike, what happened to "I'm not going to post anymore because you are all whiners and I am tired of walking on eggshells"?

Of course not - once he gets his nose in the money trough, it's more lucrative for him to send more Americans to their death.

He's already vowed to increase the troops in Afghanistan, so there must be lucrative contracts to be dished out there to big US companies.

Col

I agree with this, as history dictates the two fundamental reasons for war are either Religion or Money, money creates war and war creates money (provided you win ofc)

A. I don't consider it a war.


What else are bombs and bullets for?:confused::rolleyes:

What else are bombs and bullets for?:confused::rolleyes:

It's my understanding that they are used to help the Iraq gov suppress the radicals in the country. If you want to call it a war then call it a war. ;)

Hey Mike, what happened to "I'm not going to post anymore because you are all whiners and I am tired of walking on eggshells"?

I referred to the Political forum. This is the Watercooler forum.

Ralph Nadar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo

Ralph Nadar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIoWasn't he the person who took sufficient votes from Al Gore in 2000 in Florida so GWB got elected :(

What an ass. I used to respect Ralph Nader, a long time ago.

Wasn't he the person who took sufficient votes from Al Gore in 2000 in Florida so GWB got elected :(

Yes.

The reverse happened when Ross Perot handed the 92 election to Clinton from Bush 1. Perot's vote was much bigger than Nader got, about 15% I think.

Wasn't he the person who took sufficient votes from Al Gore in 2000 in Florida so GWB got elected :(

Yup and he got 1% pity vote this time..haha..lol http://www.naijaryders.com/forums/images/smilies/feknr.gif

Congratulations to President-Elect Obama.

Will he bring about Change?

With the direction the economy is going, I fear the only change to be brought about will be the change the homeless and jobless will be asking for on the street.

While listening to the election results last night, one of the extreme right-wing commentators (so far out there they won't let him on TV) suggested that Obama bring back the draft. This may be the only job available to young people getting out of high school for the next few years.

At long last the US has done something to be pround of. The youth came out in force and threw off the shackles of the past, let's hope he succeeds


It wasn't just the youth. :p

It wasn't just the youth. :p

Mostly, it was. CNN shows 18-29 year olds voted for Obama 66% of the time, while the 65 and older age group voted for McCain 53% of the time. Without the 18-29 age group, it is clear that Obama would have lost this election.

It's my understanding that they are used to help the Iraq gov suppress the radicals in the country. If you want to call it a war then call it a war. ;)
More Republican bullsh*t via Bush:rolleyes:

More Republican bullsh*t via Bush:rolleyes:

Now that 'our' political house seems to be in order when do you plan on shutting up about the US and start fixing your own screwed up country? :p

You can start by getting rid of all those gas bag royals you have - :D

Now that 'our' political house seems to be in order when do you plan on shutting up about the US and start fixing your own screwed up country? :p

You can start by getting rid of all those gas bag royals you have - :D
Our election day will come soon when the current bunch of Twats formerly led by Bliar and replaced by an even bigger idiot will be kicked out:mad:
And there's nothing wrong with Maj, god bless her

god bless her

If you believe in such ideals... :p

If you believe in such ideals... :p
We don't need it stamped on our currency in case we forget:p;)

We don't need it stamped on our currency in case we forget:p;)

Touche! :D

But you still need it in your national anthem. :cool:

Touche! :D

But you still need it in your national anthem. :cool:
We just turn the volume down and sing our own version:cool:

We just turn the volume down and sing our own version:cool:

Is it the drunken version ours was derived from? :D

And there's nothing wrong with Maj, god bless her

She's dead weight, get rid of her. ;)

A. I don't consider it a war.


Ask the families of the 5,000 American troops killed in Iraq what they think it is. Ask the children what they think happened to their Daddy.

What you think is irrelevant. It's a money spinning war for GWB and his cronies - the death toll is not an issue as long as they make their millions out of it. Obama will be the same - money talks.

Col

She's dead weight, get rid of her. ;)

Perhaps when you've worked out where the UK is and have studied it's monarchy history, you may be better qualified to offer a constructive opinion.

Until then, I suggest you concentrate on the matters more pressing in the USA - isn't there someone you need to shoot?

Col

Perhaps when you've worked out where the UK is and have studied it's monarchy history, you may be better qualified to offer a constructive opinion.

Until then, I suggest you concentrate on the matters more pressing in the USA - isn't there someone you need to shoot?

Col

Col, you're no more qualified to spit your sh*t about the US out either, yet you seem to rather enjoy repeating the same idiotic ranting every chance you get. Maybe you should follow your own advice for once.

Mostly, it was. CNN shows 18-29 year olds voted for Obama 66% of the time, while the 65 and older age group voted for McCain 53% of the time. Without the 18-29 age group, it is clear that Obama would have lost this election.

It would be interesting to see the voter split for previous elections.

I would assume America would be similar to Australia in that it is normal for the votes to be about 55/45 for the conservative party with 55 and older voters and 55/45 for Labor Party with younger voters.

Mostly, it was. CNN shows 18-29 year olds voted for Obama 66% of the time, while the 65 and older age group voted for McCain 53% of the time. Without the 18-29 age group, it is clear that Obama would have lost this election.

I think those of us between the ages of 30-65 who voted had a little something to do with it. :confused:

the death toll is not an issue as long as they make their millions out of it. Obama will be the same - money talks.

Col

Exactly. Money and the need for the new war gear to be tested and for the soldiers to have a run.

If Al Gore had won in 2000 and Osama had done his thing then America would have gone to Iraq.

For the 2003 invasion of Iraq our Labor party was in opposition at the time and they did all the anti Iraq stuff. But for Iraq/Bush 1 our Labor party were in office and Australia went to Iraq and the labor party did the pro war thing:)

I was so sure that Mckain would win, thank God I was wrong. http://blog.wired.com/defense/images/2008/11/04/6a00d83451d77869e200e5523dc27e88338.jpg

I was so sure that Mckain would win, thank God I was wrong. http://blog.wired.com/defense/images/2008/11/04/6a00d83451d77869e200e5523dc27e88338.jpg


If I was black and an American I would have voted for McCain.

A couple of reasons. Firstly, 48% of Americans chose to not vote for Obama and of the 48% there were 46% then went with McCain.

Your picture that portrays McCain as a pensioner is correct, that is how he came across, just like he had finished a game of lawn bowls......but 46% still voted for him.

Given all the problems of Bush and republicans, the support from Oprah, the mood for change etc and etc then Obama should have got a true landslide, around 55% of the vote. or even more. But that was not the case. Just the opposite.

I think for the black people the timing is wrong. Obama will have his hands tied, in fact they are doubly tied because he can only veto and approve or do what he can via TV because of the limitations of being POTUS.

But the blacks will have had their shot.

Within 3 months Obama will be ducking and weaving.

The blacks and also the whites who want the gov't to do it for them would have been better off if McCain had won and Obama had won the next election.

Reality is arriving by day 1

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06expect.html

I don't think the majority of Americans believe the problems will be solved by even one presidential term. It's going to take a lot of time to heal the damage caused over the last 8 years, but I believe we are ready to prove to the world we are up for the challenge. Everyone is just excited that something will finally be done for us instead of Iraq.

I think it's inconsiderate of Obama to uproot his family when they are so young.

His wife has a nice little cleaning job, he had the chance of a nice number parking cars with lots of tips. Now the kids will have to get used to a new school in a strange state, she'll need to get another part-time job and that won't be easy for a black girl (although she is quite attractive).

In the meantime, all his family will now be in danger from the rifle freaks who want to make their name.

Sometimes ambition can be a negative thing - maybe it's better the devil you know.

Col

Col, you're no more qualified to spit your sh*t about the US out either, yet you seem to rather enjoy repeating the same idiotic ranting every chance you get. Maybe you should follow your own advice for once.

Hmmm, truth hurts they always say.

You don't have to read my posts - it's a free country isn't it? (except when it upsets an American)

Col

She's dead weight, get rid of her. ;)

She's the reason so many Americans visit the UK every year - you guys love our royalty! I'm not a royalist, personally I'm glad the migrated from Scotland down south, but I can see the revenue they generate every year and I think that has to be well worth keeping a hold of for the English economy. Let them have their queen, just give us back our oil and gas :D

She's the reason so many Americans visit the UK every year - you guys love our royalty! I'm not a royalist, personally I'm glad the migrated from Scotland down south, but I can see the revenue they generate every year and I think that has to be well worth keeping a hold of for the English economy. Let them have their queen, just give us back our oil and gas :D

The oil and gas belongs to the UK - not Scotland. Scotland has sheep and heather.

Col

The oil and gas belongs to the UK - not Scotland. Scotland has sheep and heather.

ColSo that's why the UK government specifically legislated to put the North Sea Oil fields under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Courts and not the English Courts. Do try to check the facts before you post:)

The oil and gas belongs to the UK - not Scotland. Scotland has sheep and heather.

Col

Ah yes sheep and heather! the well known genetic combination that creates a powerful biofuel.... :p

She's the reason so many Americans visit the UK every year - you guys love our royalty! I'm not a royalist, personally I'm glad the migrated from Scotland down south, but I can see the revenue they generate every year and I think that has to be well worth keeping a hold of for the English economy. Let them have their queen, just give us back our oil and gas :D


Isn't she also kind of an advisor on affairs domestic and international with a certain amount of clout in the political world?

Isn't she also kind of an advisor on affairs domestic and international with a certain amount of clout in the political world?She certainly can offer advice to her Prime Ministers and make sure that they have done their homework but she is not able to initiate any political issues. It is important for her standing in the country that she is seen as being above party politics. any deviating from that would seriously strengthen the hand of republicanism in the UK

I would then think that given the Iraq thing has been such a catastrophic disaster in the minds of the citizens of the UK, if she had so willed she could have put all of her influence against it and kept the uk out of it. Since she apparently didn't, seems she let the citizens down and should step down.

I would then think that given the Iraq thing has been such a catastrophic disaster in the minds of the citizens of the UK, if she had so willed she could have put all of her influence against it and kept the uk out of it. Since she apparently didn't, seems she let the citizens down and should step down.Your answer illustrates that you do not understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK.

She is able to warn the Prime Minister confidentially of the dangers of a particular course of action. She is not allowed to make that advice public and she is not able to stop him ignoring that advice. So in the matter of Irak she has as usual acted with complete constitutional propriety

Your answer illustrates that you do not understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK.

She is able to warn the Prime Minister confidentially of the dangers of a particular course of action. She is not allowed to make that advice public and she is not able to stop him ignoring that advice. So in the matter of Irak she has as usual acted with complete constitutional propriety

Seems like she gets all of the perks and none of the responsibilities. Pretty good gig. Why is she not allowed to make her advice public? And who made that rule, her?

Seems like she gets all of the perks and none of the responsibilities. Pretty good gig. [/quote]It's worked pretty well for over 300 years. The Queen or King rules as head of state for the whole country regardless of political beliefs. Politics is left to the politicians who can be removed by a democratic vote at election time.
Why is she not allowed to make her advice public? And who made that rule, her? If she made her advice public it would immediately put her in the political arena and human nature being what it is would make the advice less effective. No politician would want to be seen to be taking advice from a non-elected figure. The rule goes back 300 years at least. I don't think it's actually a written rule just common sense from our kings and queens.

It's worked pretty well for over 300 years. The Queen or King rules as head of state for the whole country regardless of political beliefs. Politics is left to the politicians who can be removed by a democratic vote at election time.
If she made her advice public it would immediately put her in the political arena and human nature being what it is would make the advice less effective. No politician would want to be seen to be taking advice from a non-elected figure. The rule goes back 300 years at least. I don't think it's actually a written rule just common sense from our kings and queens.

It may have worked pretty good for her family for 300 years but with gas prices at 6/gallon and people like Col having to ride to work in the cold rain on a 2 wheel scooter it appears it may not be working out very well for everybody.

If she made her advice public it seems you all would see that there's nothing 'royal' about her, she's just another old lady, and she can make mistakes like everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I like her and she seems very pleasant and is probably a good role model for being 'proper' and all of that stuff.

And the 'I don't think' seems to illustrate that maybe somebody else doesn't 'understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK' ;)

And the 'I don't think' seems to illustrate that maybe somebody else doesn't 'understand the role of Her Majesty in the UK' ;) it's just that having an unwritten constitution very few of these rules are actually written down. If I were a constitutional lawyer it might be relevant if I did not know. It doesn't actually make any difference in practice so I think you should withdraw your snide remark.

Ok. Sorry Rab. :)

If she made her advice public it seems you all would see that there's nothing 'royal' about her, she's just another old lady,
Well...other than the fact that she's the queen, you mean? So royal by definition. I'm pretty sure that the quality of your advice has no bearing on whether whether you're royalty or not. If she said she thought everyone should eat glass, she'd still be royal.

and she can make mistakes like everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I like her and she seems very pleasant and is probably a good role model for being 'proper' and all of that stuff.

I've never met anyone who saw her - or any of the other members of her family, for that matter - as role models. No more than they view the elected officials (e.g. prime minister) as such. Do you see the president as a role model?

Well...other than the fact that she's the queen, you mean? So royal by definition. I'm pretty sure that the quality of your advice has no bearing on whether whether you're royalty or not. If she said she thought everyone should eat glass, she'd still be royal.

I've never met anyone who saw her - or any of the other members of her family, for that matter - as role models. No more than they view the elected officials (e.g. prime minister) as such. Do you see the president as a role model?

The whole 'these people are classified as different' or 'royals' seems to suggest to me that somebody thinks there is something 'different' about them from a physiological perspective. Something like 'their great grandfather was smart enough to rule the world so they must be smart as well'.

And yes I do see the president as a role model. In fact I wish I was as disciplined and articulate as our President-elect Mr. Obama...

The whole 'these people are classified as different' or 'royals' seems to suggest to me that somebody thinks there is something 'different' about them from a physiological perspective.
Originally, I think the belief was that people who were royal were somehow chosen by God or - the Gods - to be so. In a (relatively) primitive society, this would have been a good way to ensure loyalty to the (then) leader. As society progressed, the number of people believing in God, magic, etc. decreased and people also realised that the royal family were 'only' human, so they were seen as less and less of an ideal to look up to. Today, the gutter press has printed so many stories about their private lives that they're no better than film stars, in many respects.

And yes I do see the president as a role model. In fact I wish I was as disciplined and articulate as our President-elect Mr. Obama...
But - based on other posts - you seemed to wholeheartedly disagree with many of his beliefs. How can you see someone you don't think is right as being someone you wish to be like? Hitler, for example, was a great public speaker. I can admire that ability without seeing him as a role model in any way.

I guess it all depends on your definition of a role model. I admire him in general. His apparent work ethics, his intellect, etc. These are the kind of things I wish I had and I would think parents would want their children to have. That's what I consider a good role model. The fact that he wants do things I don't agree with in his professional life are kind of incidental... I may be backward on the whole thing, I don't know...:)

So that's why the UK government specifically legislated to put the North Sea Oil fields under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Courts and not the English Courts. Do try to check the facts before you post:)

Who needs facts when we have Colin to fill us in on everything that is wrong with the world. :rolleyes:

Who needs facts when we have Colin to fill us in on everything that is wrong with the world. :rolleyes:
LOL I dont know how I managed until I saw Col's posts:D

After reading this:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20081106/twl-palin-said-africa-was-a-country-3fd0ae9.html

I could help but think where did they get this woman from?
Then I googled and got Beauty pagent as an answer LOL, figures


1. Not knowing Africa was a continent..WTF... just goes to show some American's really do have little understanding of the rest of the world.

2. Not preparing for an interview...??

3. 150,000 on clothes...lol..money well spent :rolleyes:

I have to admit until I read this web page I had never heard of her, but she does seem bloody awful.

After reading this:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20081106/twl-palin-said-africa-was-a-country-3fd0ae9.html

I could help but think where did they get this woman from?
Then I googled and got Beauty pagent as an answer LOL, figures


1. Not knowing Africa was a continent..WTF... just goes to show some American's really do have little understanding of the rest of the world.

2. Not preparing for an interview...??

3. 150,000 on clothes...lol..money well spent :rolleyes:

I have to admit until I read this web page I had never heard of her, but she does seem bloody awful.

You have no idea! I don't know what McCain was thinking.

You have no idea! I don't know what McCain was thinking.

Come on guys... W didn't exaclty have the bar set very high now did he...:p

Almost as much as the press was thinking ... I liked the Tom Brokaw/Charlie Rose interview four .. that's right FOUR days before the election ...


ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don't either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.
BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.


And these guys are big players in the media!? They've had over TWO YEARS to do find out who he is. Nah, they'd rather report on clothes and if a candidates husband had sex with her daughter.

Sounds like they finally went back and read something on journalism ethics.

-dK

... they'd rather report on clothes and if a candidates husband had sex with her daughter.

Did they finally interview somebody from Alabama? :p

So that's why the UK government specifically legislated to put the North Sea Oil fields under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Courts and not the English Courts.

That was to keep the Tartan army sweet;):D

Who needs facts when we have Colin to fill us in on everything that is wrong with the world. :rolleyes:

Not the world - just the USA, the fact that you believe your censored news and swallow the brainwashing of the CIA is not my fault. We give you the information correctly from the BBC, the fact you ignore and ridicule it is your own downfall.

As I said yesterday, you don't even have to read my posts if you feel they are inaccurate.

Col

Not the world - just the USA, the fact that you believe your censored news and swallow the brainwashing of the CIA is not my fault. We give you the information correctly from the BBC, the fact you ignore and ridicule it is your own downfall.

As I said yesterday, you don't even have to read my posts if you feel they are inaccurate.

Col

But you misunderstand, it's not that I feel they are inaccurate. A lot of what you say is true, especially about Bush, but it doesn't mean the members here want to hear it in EVERY post you make.You repeat yourself.

And trust me, I'm far from a believer in our news or the CIA. You would be foolish to believe everything you see on the BBC as well.

One of the interestings things is that the Alisas of the world reckon "trickle down" does not work:D

I posted this before.

In a room of 5 people there exists $10.00.
PersonA has $4.00 (40%)
PersonB has $3.00 (30%)
PersonC has $2.00 (20%)
PersonD has $1.00 (10%)
PersonE has $0.00 (0%)

The economy grows and $10.00 enters into the economy. We are a trickle down economy where we reward the rich. We want to give all $10.00 to PersonA so that they will create jobs, but that angers everyone else. They want a cut as well. So instead we give PersonA $6.00 and everyone else $1.00

Now the money falls
PersonA $10.00 (50%)
PersonB $4.00 (20%)
PersonC $3.00 (15%)
PersonD $2.00 (10%)
PersonE $1.00 (5%)
Even though everyone has received money the only persons to have benefitted are personA and PersonE (arguably). Wealth is not a measurement of $$ it's a measurement of how many dollars you have out of how many dollars exist. ($1.00 out of $10.00 is worth more than $2.00 out of $1000.00).

Seeing as how CEO's have increased their pay percentage from 15 - 20% of the average worker to over 200 times the average worker in the last 30 years I'd say that history has proven that even if it were true that tax cuts to the top half is a benefit all because even though everyone but the two extremes suffer, the top % bracket will create jobs. They simply have not. Instead of creating jobs they have steadily maintained the workers pay with adjustment to inflation, effectively a worker has not received a raise as the raise coincides with the inflation rate, and used the leftover money to pad their own wallets. The raise simply keeps the average worker in the same position and allows the CEO to buy a gold plated SUV that gets 50 feet to the gallon.

Statistics are cited in my other post.

The raise simply keeps the average worker in the same position and allows the CEO to buy a gold plated SUV that gets 50 feet to the gallon.



The raise is not what keeps the worker in the same position. It his himself that does that.

Assuming a person is able bodied then they have two choices:

1) Stay in their current job or current business and hope "the system" distrubutes extra money to them.

2) Move on from their current job or business.

For example, I do not earn $5 million a year. The reason is that I have chosen not to earn $5 million a year. I have placed limitations on myself. BUT there is no law stopping me. Why should the person who earns $5 million a year be forced to give me some of his money.

A lot of what you say is true, especially about Bush, but it doesn't mean the members here want to hear it in EVERY post you make.

I am perfectly entitled to post whatever I like here (within realms of decency)

I get sick of the sniping by certain American members here, who take a more personal approach, it seems that the only way they counteract my comments are to resort to personal abuse and name calling - all very professional. My comments are usually a generalisation of America and American ways of the populace.
Personal comments by me are also usually reserved for those Americans that thrust themselves into the limelight and are therefore fair targets for critisism and jokes.

Oh, and I do not post it in EVERY post, just the majority. Plus, most of the time it is only a joke or a comment to try to get some banter going. These forums can be extremely boring at times - it seems everything must centre around the USA or Americans - believe me, appointing a blackie as Prez will not lift the USA from being the most hated country in the world.


Col

I am perfectly entitled to post whatever I like here (within realms of decency)

- believe me, appointing a blackie as Prez will not lift the USA from being the most hated country in the world.


Col

I agree, and defend your right to your opinion, regardless of whether I agree. However, I'm wondering, how can anyone hate a country, it is, after all, part of the same planet. Is it not the policies made by the people governing that country that are disliked?

Is it not the policies made by the people governing that country that are disliked?

The current mob ruling this country are certainly disliked!:mad:

I am perfectly entitled to post whatever I like here (within realms of decency)

I get sick of the sniping by certain American members here, who take a more personal approach, it seems that the only way they counteract my comments are to resort to personal abuse and name calling - all very professional. My comments are usually a generalisation of America and American ways of the populace.
Personal comments by me are also usually reserved for those Americans that thrust themselves into the limelight and are therefore fair targets for critisism and jokes.

Oh, and I do not post it in EVERY post, just the majority. Plus, most of the time it is only a joke or a comment to try to get some banter going. These forums can be extremely boring at times - it seems everything must centre around the USA or Americans - believe me, appointing a blackie as Prez will not lift the USA from being the most hated country in the world.


Col

There are jokes, critisism and banter, However:
You complain about people calling you names and then refer to the President-Elect of the United States as a "blackie".

All that you have accomplished is to make yourself look two-faced.

Why not let the man get his hand off the bible before you attack him?

Why not let the man get his hand off the bible before you attack him?
Can we call him a blackie after he takes his hand of the book of stories?:confused:

There are jokes, critisism and banter, However:
You complain about people calling you names and then refer to the President-Elect of the United States as a "blackie".

All that you have accomplished is to make yourself look two-faced.



I complained about people here calling other members here names.

Public figures are there for ridicule and disagreement. They expect it and get it.

Please read the posts more carefully before you call someone "two-faced".

Col

I do not earn $5 million a year. The reason is that I have chosen not to earn $5 million a year. I have placed limitations on myself. BUT there is no law stopping me.
And, should you choose, you could be both the Olympic 100m champion and Nobel rize winning physicist. You just have chosen not to be, thus far. :rolleyes:

And, should you choose, you could be both the Olympic 100m champion and Nobel rize winning physicist. You just have chosen not to be, thus far. :rolleyes:

No, I could not be the Olympic 100m champion but I could be the one who is responsible for whether he gets a chance etc. AND whether he get's a chance will depend on more than his swimming , running, car driving ability etc.

You appear to be a cousin of Alisa ie. have found every reason for not making the grade.

If you and Alisa put the energy into making the grade as opposed to being on loser avenue and waiting for Obama to help you....you would make a fortune. Both of you have "staying ability" but unfortunately it is directed to justifying a loser position.

I have seen Alisa's postings on the Access forums and I know she knows far more than I do.......but I already know that I make more money from selling Access based software than Alisa get's from her job and for me it is part time.

Instead of trying to fight the people like me......why don't you join the club. That way you make the money and if you feel you owe your fellow man some help.....then you can afford to give him/her some money.

It has been said 1000s of times.....it is better to give than receive AND that is true. I can tell you that for every dollar you give you seem to get back a dollar plus. Why don't you and Alisa change direction, make money, help other people by both giving and as a by product of your enterprise.

PS There is an "outside force" that exists. Better to tap into it than fight it.

You appear to be a cousin of Alisa ie. have found every reason for not making the grade.

And who says I haven't made the grade? I'm not a bitter old racist who gets his kicks from kissing US a*s and repeatedly saying that the UK is *yawn* the size of a postage stamp, but then I have different goals in life to yourself, so thankfully would not be likely to meet your - for want of a better word - standards.

If you and Alisa put the energy into making the grade as opposed to being on loser avenue and waiting for Obama to help you....you would make a fortune. Both of you have "staying ability" but unfortunately it is directed to justifying a loser position.

And just how and why is Obama going to help me?
Since you seem to have problems with it, I'll have to point out that Obama is in AMERICA. You know the ones you suck up to with posts about how they saved you from Japan, etc.? I am not in the US. I'm not from the US, not do I live in the US. I visited once, when I was 10 years old, but I don't think that means he's going to help me with anything. Nor do I want him to. Where did I state otherwise?
Also, I'm currently working two jobs. One full and one part-time. Where the hell do you get off calling me a loser?:mad:

I have seen Alisa's postings on the Access forums and I know she knows far more than I do.......but I already know that I make more money from selling Access based software than Alisa get's from her job and for me it is part time.

And I'm sure you make every penny you want to. Bullsh*t. You sit there gloating about what a big success you are and you have the nerve to say that anyone who hasn't done as well as you is a loser? Does that mean you're a loser compared to anyone who makes more than you do? I mean, clearly you are compared to anyone whose aim is not to have people think they're an a*shole, but I'm talking about financally. Your ignorance is staggering.

Why don't you and Alisa change direction, make money, help other people by both giving and as a by product of your enterprise.
I make good money, thanks, but I wasn't arguing that people should do nothing. I was saying that not everyone can make millions just because they want to. There are plenty of people who work hard and will never make that much. Take your head out of your a*s for a few minutes and you'd realise that.

I won't be around to respond to any snide little digs you may posts in repsonse for a while, as I need to cool down a bit. NOBODY gets to tell me I don't work hard enough just because they're safely on the other end of a computer, thousands of miles away.:mad:

Alc, just ignore him, that's what I do :)

Bullseye:D

Hmm this thread seems to have taken a turn for the worst...

I think it's time for me to post something completely irrelevant to err lighten the mood ;).

Now let me think of something....

I am perfectly entitled to post whatever I like here (within realms of decency)

I get sick of the sniping by certain American members here, who take a more personal approach, it seems that the only way they counteract my comments are to resort to personal abuse and name calling - all very professional. My comments are usually a generalisation of America and American ways of the populace.
Personal comments by me are also usually reserved for those Americans that thrust themselves into the limelight and are therefore fair targets for critisism and jokes.

Oh, and I do not post it in EVERY post, just the majority. Plus, most of the time it is only a joke or a comment to try to get some banter going. These forums can be extremely boring at times - it seems everything must centre around the USA or Americans - believe me, appointing a blackie as Prez will not lift the USA from being the most hated country in the world.


Col

Or you from being the most foolish member of this forum.

Or you from being the most foolish member of this forum.

I'm not American.

Col

I complained about people here calling other members here names.

Public figures are there for ridicule and disagreement. They expect it and get it.

Please read the posts more carefully before you call someone "two-faced".

Col

Ahem.

If you were to read my post more carefully (sound familiar) you would see that I did not call you two-faced.

I said your post made you look two-faced.

Plus, most of the time it is only a joke or a comment to try to get some banter going.

That is the biggest joke of all, I'm afraid.

I'm not American.

Col

Really? I hadn't guessed. :rolleyes:

Although that statement really doesn't have anything to do with how big of a fool you make of yourself.

Darn, I was gone all day, check back in and this thread has gone no where...

>sigh<

Darn, I was gone all day, check back in and this thread has gone no where...

>sigh<

It needs you to drive it along with sparkling wit and incisive comment.

Brian

It needs you to drive it along with sparkling wit and incisive comment.

Brian

:p
Laughed out loud on that one Bri - :D:D

You do have a way with sarcasm...:p
...

'sparkling wit' :p:p

Really? I hadn't guessed. :rolleyes:

Although that statement really doesn't have anything to do with how big of a fool you make of yourself.

I thought you avoided the brainwashing. However, if you feel it would be better for me not to post - I shall have a break unless the urge to post gets too much.

Col

I thought you avoided the brainwashing. However, if you feel it would be better for me not to post - I shall have a break unless the urge to post gets too much.

Col

I was merely mentioning that one had nothing to do with the other. :cool:

Darn, I was gone all day,
You must have finished your chores early to have been allowed out:cool:


check back in and this thread has gone no where...
Bit like the States under the Republicans:rolleyes:

Bit like the States under the Republicans:rolleyes:

You're right, things are going from bad to worse...;)

Spotted a wonderful sign:

1/20/2009 - "The end of an error"

Bob