Objective : To combine several threads into 1 solution
Ground rules :

The recent Australian fires have confirmed to me that no religion exists - This was a natural event and there was no divine miracle that prevented it.

Communisim failed 10 years ago, Captilism is is failing now

So - With no religion or existing financial model:

What is the perfect global database?

Objective : To combine several threads into 1 solution
Ground rules :

The recent Australian fires have confirmed to me that no religion exists - This was a natural event and there was no divine miracle that prevented it.

Communisim failed 10 years ago, Captilism is is failing now

So - With no religion or existing financial model:

What is the perfect global database?Surely on this forum it would be heresy to suggest anything other than Access.:D

Surely on this forum it would be heresy to suggest anything other than Access.:D

Obviously! Care to suggest a model that does not include religion and has a fair and equitable financial structure?

Obviously! Care to suggest a model that does not include religion and has a fair and equitable financial structure?

How about anachy... That works for me .... :D

So - With no religion or existing financial model:

What is the perfect global database?
Surely on this forum it would be heresy to suggest anything other than Access.:D

Concurred. So I guess the question now is:

'Who' is the perfect candidate (scapegoat) to spearhead this massive undertaking and what happens if/when the database needs to be upsized? :p

Concurred. So I guess the question now is:

'Who' is the perfect candidate (scapegoat) to spearhead this massive undertaking and what happens if/when the database needs to be upsized? :p

Ah, now it gets interesting - government model - dictatorship or concensus?

My first contribution will be a global currency. it will get rid of those parasites who generate huge profits for themselves with currency trading while contributing a total of nothing to the average citizen

How about anachy... That works for me .... :D


heh...
That would make a hilarious product name for a new database software package.

Ah, now it gets interesting - government model - dictatorship or concensus?
According to topic this is a global database correct? As such consensus will vary region to region based upon the qualitative morals/ethical boundaries and the differing perspective of the regions indigenous peoples. I move that all peoples be given equal 'voice' in this, the World Database.

Albeit, I foresee multiple hurdles to be over come already. For arguments sake (Not the drink) let us 'consense' that region be defined as the boundaries of current countries before the lines are permanently erased. I also propose that this be our PK.

tblGovernment.regionID - Text (Max 13) - Indexed (No Duplicates) - DefaultValue = reg0000000001

My first contribution will be a global currency. it will get rid of those parasites who generate huge profits for themselves with currency trading while contributing a total of nothing to the average citizenWhen dealing with this issue tblCurrency should it be taken into account the current exchange rates of monies (tblCurrency INNER JOIN tblGovernment ON tblCurrency.exchRate = tblGovernment.exchRate) or do we start every region with a predetermined alotment of monetary assets?

Point 1 agreed - ALL users have equal voice

Point 2 - NO. Must be based on REAL value of each currency - since December AUS$ has lost 30% against US$ for no reason that Australia has changed, other than it seems to be weathering storm much better than most. I can afford 30% less on the world market because????????

Just an idea. Why not link the currencies to Gold. Oh no that was tried and scrapped some time ago

My first contribution will be a global currency. it will get rid of those parasites who generate huge profits for themselves with currency trading while contributing a total of nothing to the average citizen

Why not a global language and ask Colin to be the guardian of the monster ;)

Why not a global language and ask Colin to be the guardian of the monster ;)
Given the current situation, I suggest we all start brushing up on our Mandarin

Here's my version of perfect database:

Give each one their own copy of Access and let them build and maintain database themselves. They are free to corroborate and work together, go lone wolf, or do nothing about it.

Sounds like a very workable solution to me.

The recent Australian fires have confirmed to me that no religion exists - This was a natural event and there was no divine miracle that prevented it.
i think a lot of people would submit that fires, floods, famine, etc. are proof of god/religion; not preventing it - causing it.

For arguments sake (Not the drink) ...
:D nice one! :D

Must be based on REAL value of each currency
why not get rid of the money altogether? how about bartering or something?

i think a lot of people would submit that fires, floods, famine, etc. are proof of god/religion; not preventing it - causing it.

Ahhh, the invisible hand theory. Here's an interesting question (No Wiki folks):

What economic theorist first proposed the 'invisible hand' theory and how might it or might it not apply to the perfect database?


:D nice one! :D

Tank You... Tank you berry muuuuuch. [Where's the Elvis Smiley?]

why not get rid of the money altogether? how about bartering or something?
I have a little, itty bitty problem with that. I'm not saying it's not a good idea, but to play DA I would argue that basing a global economy on a bartering system would inevitably lead to a monetary system in the end anyways. As a (wannabe) programmer I loathe the thought of going through all the trouble designing, documenting and implementing a system that will one day be considered 'outdated' and 'archaic'... :o

I'm suprised that with the number of contribtors stating how things should NOT be, there are so few game enough to state how they should.

Rule 2: The highest salary in a company can be no more than 10 times the lowest

Rule 2: The highest salary in a company can be no more than 10 times the lowest
Rules thus far:


All Users are considered as equals
Universal currency will be used

Monetary assets of each region (Country) will be taken at face value at it's inception(i.e., 1 dollar = 1 pound = 1 yen = 1 Euro)
The highest paid user of any corporation shall not exceed ten times that of it's lowest paid user



I'm surprised that with the number of contributors stating how things should NOT be, there are so few game enough to state how they should.

I would like to add a comment..... While deceptively appearing to be a good thing, this database in it's perfectness could very well be the anti-Christ :p

Let us 'consense' on another major topic. The name of this database. We cannot go around calling the world's most perfect database, The World's Most Rerfect Database. It's too long and I'm afraid that regions will not be keen on implementing a database where the name is five words long. Even acronymically it's fairly unappealing..... T.W.M.P.D. It could possibly be misconstrue'd as a deadly weapon as well.....

Here are a few ideas:


GlobalSoft
Plain Old Database - POD for short
Symposium of Capital Knowledge - SOCK

Also we should decide on a solution for logging and solving complaints and grievances that should arise between entities. A mediation table of sorts.

Why not a global language and ask Colin to be the guardian of the monster ;)

I call for a vote on this.

Or starting with the original concept:

CRAP - Completely Religionless Access Program
CRUD - Completely Religionless Ultimate Database
FIASCO - Federation International Access Society (for) Complete Organisation

...Rule 2: The highest salary in a company can be no more than 10 times the lowest

Rule 2 makes good sense. Of course an exception handler is required...


Catch exception As Rule 2
If Highest(Payee) = pono1 Then
' Do nothing.
Else
Enforce
End if

Or starting with the original concept:

CRAP - Completely Religionless Access Program
CRUD - Completely Religionless Ultimate Database
FIASCO - Federation International Access Society (for) Complete Organisation
:o Ahh, yes. Silly me.

I have taken a liking to FIASCO. It has great ring to it.

DRIVEL - Data Retrieval Integrated (with) Viable Eagalitarian Logic

I'm suprised that with the number of contribtors stating how things should NOT be, there are so few game enough to state how they should.

Rule 2: The highest salary in a company can be no more than 10 times the lowest

Some fine tuning - the highest Income derived from a company can be no more than 10 times the lowest

Rule 3:

The entire Tax code (providing we intend to pay any) MUST fit on 1 (one) A4 page printed with 12pt Times New Roman

I assume most countries are as convoluted as the Australian model, where it is now so complex, even the Tax department can't explain it

Rule 3:

The entire Tax code (providing we intend to pay any) MUST fit on 1 (one) A4 page printed with 12pt Times New Roman

I assume most countries are as convoluted as the Australian model, where it is now so complex, even the Tax department can't explain it
As they say, There are only two sure things in life Death and Taxes.

Individual users would love FIASCO if they weren't taxed. What if we taxed the companies but not the employees and based the tax rate on the number of employees and the companies contribution to the welfare of it's respective region that would motivate the cultivation of more eco and user friendly workplaces.

Is it safe to assume that the beneficiaries of this tax would be the creators and guardians of the Database?

It's starting to sound complicated already. I was thinking
Personal & Company tax 20%
Transaction Tax 10%

No exceptions or exemptions = no court cases

Is it safe to assume that the beneficiaries of this tax would be the creators and guardians of the Database?

Probably a dangerous assumption - i might be able to create it, but that don't mean I am the best to administer it

Maybe now is a good time to define the scope of the Database.

When you say Perfect database are we talking about a database that will contain and track everything?

If so taxes won't be a problem because we'd have all of the information about all of the assets in all of the world. Transactions would simply be routed through the database and the tax would immediately come out of the monies spent and into the Global Reclamation and Administration Fund.

My goals are modest - just a simple little application that gets rid of all the crap that goes on in the world

My goals are modest - just a simple little application that gets rid of all the crap that goes on in the world
Modest indeed.

We should implement a waste disposal module as well.

I think we missed a perfectly good name for this...

Since Access is highly graphic and this is an all-encompassing database that overarches the entire world, how about

Graphic Overarching Database = G.O.D.

(With apologies for the concept to David Gerrold and "When Harlie Was One")

I think we need to have a little better salary range than as stated. Granted, not much more, but maybe just a little wider range. 10 x lowest salary is not that much in some regions. But certainly we could make a rule like pick the smaller of (1 currency unit x the number of employees who work below the person) or (minimum wage x number of actual steps between rank of lowest worker and highest worker.)

Now, as to the language, I think we should actually stick to having a multiplicity of languages because that way nobody will get anything done. And the USA's Thomas Jefferson said this a long time ago: The government that governs best governs least.

So it behooves us to have the participants be unable to easily understand each other.

Thanks Doc, your contributions always welcome.

G.O.D does have some appeal although might we not not get into copyright violations? I think somebody(s) are already using it.

salaries/benefits - I'm not sure why regional conditions should influence this. I have seen in many countries where Joe Average lives in a slum, while Maharajah Rancid Thing lives in a palace. Why should this be allowed to continue? If Rancid wants his palace, he can pay his workers better

G.O.D does have some appeal although might we not not get into copyright violations? I think somebody(s) are already using it. It seems that several organisations are indeed using it but for apparently different thngs so it looks like it's up for grabs as soon as you sharpen your coding pencil and implement it.

On the subject of salaries/incomes why have differentials at all? After all I wouldn'tmind doing my bosses job for my preset salary and I don't think he would want to do mine even at his present salary. Lets face it. The top jobs are more fun than the menial ones. Who wants to be a toilet cleaner even at a good rate.

Having decided to completely restructure the way the world operates, I have hit a snag in my structure:

Countries: Do they need to exist?

Culturally, I can think of a million reasons why they should

Logically (Government, finance, unions, humans rights etc etc etc) I cannot justify them, for me, 1 rule for all.

What are your thoughts?

Countries: Do they need to exist?

Culturally, I can think of a million reasons why they should

What are your thoughts?Yeah, but can you justify using Access for culture only? No logic in culture eh? ;)

Yeah, but can you justify using Access for culture only? No logic in culture eh? ;)

Very true, but should culture be reduced to logic? I would hope not, otherwise we would be reduced to standard US sitcoms (if we haven't already)

Is there a way around this dilemma? Should Culture be Accessed or Access be flexible enough to cope with culture?

Very true, but should culture be reduced to logic? I would hope not, otherwise we would be reduced to standard US sitcoms (if we haven't already)

Is there a way around this dilemma? Should Culture be Accessed or Access be flexible enough to cope with culture?I say let the government rule. NOT. I just learned from the radio that 65+ year olds are going to competitors for my future job market because Obama can't even buy a piece of intelligence. :D

Culture means nothing if there is no limit to spending. :rolleyes:

I say let the government rule. NOT.

OK, putting countries in the 'too hard' basket for now, let's turn our attention to a thornier issue:

How to decide who runs this project. Given all elections have degenerated into a popularity contest (ie who is promising me the most tax reductions) how are the most capable people are recruited to government?

ps - no more Presidents, Prime Ministers, Kings or Queens, our new leader will be the Primary Key

I vote for RON WHITE or LARRY THE CABLE GUY.

ps - no more Presidents, Prime Ministers, Kings or Queens, our new leader will be the Primary Key


Which one's the least likely to get corrupted?:confused:

One of my long held beliefs is that business / government should be run like successful sports organisations. That is, a VERY good coach, backed by a VERY good development team and a VERY good selection policy.

Immediately to mind, over a century or more, the New Zealand All Blacks rugby team(s)

One of my long held beliefs is that business / government should be run like successful sports organisations. That is, a VERY good coach, backed by a VERY good development team and a VERY good selection policy.

Immediately to mind, over a century or more, the New Zealand All Blacks rugby team(s)You omitted also that sports coaches get replaced very quickly if they don't deliver the desired results.

You omitted also that sports coaches get replaced very quickly if they don't deliver the desired results.

Not necissarily omitted, just taken as given. In business, most of the 'team' gets sacked long before the bad coach (& they usually get a huge bonus for their failure)

Sort of emphasises my point

The Justice System:
Let's begin with the death penalty. Given the worlds economic position, who can afford the cost of feeding these parasites 3 times a day for 20-30-40 etc years?????

Not a rational system.

Not a rational system.
Rationality, I found is the bastard, red headed step child of Relativity.