This may well morph into a world's best, but I'll start with what I know

1. Ewen McKenzie
2. Phil Kearns
3. Tony Daly
(there are others that would qualify, but these 3 as unit ruled)
4. John Eales
5. Rob Hemming (before lifting was allowed, one of the great jumpers)
6. Greg Davis (yes, born a Kiwi, but we'll take him)
7. Willie O
8. Mark Loane
9. Ken Catchpole
10. Mark Ella
11. Tim Horan
12. Jason Little
13. David Campese
14. ??????????????? (here I struggle, I can't decide the other winger)
15. Roger Gould


Feel free to add your country or contradictions

Never heard of any of those people. I couldn't even name one English player.

Don't like rugby anyway - it's boring.

Col

As opposed to football, where a 0-0 draw, extra time and a penalty shoot out is considered 'entertaining'???????

Howzit

I always liked Brendan Moon when growing up, but can't remember if he was left or right wing - but was a pretty good finisher.

I would pick Matt Burke at 15 though.

You have some of your numbers mixed up re 11,12 and 13.

12 - Tim Horan - the best I've seen in that position from any country
13 - Jason Little
11 - Campo

Howzit

I always liked Brendan Moon when growing up, but can't remember if he was left or right wing - but was a pretty good finisher.

I would pick Matt Burke at 15 though.

Yep, Brendan will do for me - Matt Burke or Roger Gould - tough choice & you wouldn't be wrong no matter which way you went - Gould could kick for kilometers!, that swayed me

As opposed to football, where a 0-0 draw, extra time and a penalty shoot out is considered 'entertaining'???????

Actually, there is a fair bit of tongue in cheek about this:

Brasil - 1970
Brasil - 1982
Holland - 1974
Holland - Euro 2008 (how the hell didn't they win?)

Never seen more 10 minute highlights of Brasil 70, so can't comment, but largely regarded as the greatest ever

Watched all of Brasil 82 (New Zealand played them) - to me, the pinacle

Holland 74, 1st taste of football (Australia made it!) too young to appreciate what I was watching, but knew enough that I wanted them to beat Germany!

Hooland '08, better than the previous? don't know, other than it restored my faith in football

Howzit

I never took muh notice of football until I got over to the UK - but once you are here, it is hard not to. I really like the game now, and have even managed to get to a few of the bigger games - quite an atmosphere.

When you are talking about the pinnacle - you're talking about the kiwi team right? Quite a feat for us to make it, wonder if we'll manage to do it again some day.

Howzit

When you are talking about the pinnacle - you're talking about the kiwi team right? Quite a feat for us to make it, wonder if we'll manage to do it again some day.

Well, not quite - I was living in NZ at the time, great days. It was a great acheivement to make it. If FIFA took Oceania seriously you might be a chance, but the way it is now, extremely difficult. You need continuous, competitive matches.

If FIFA took Oceania seriously you might be a chance,

Who takes Oceania seriously. Anything south of the equator is regarded as a joke.

Col

Who takes Oceania seriously. Anything south of the equator is regarded as a joke.

Col

I was sure that Brazil and Argentina are south of the equator, still what does anybody born and raised in Bristol know about football, and choosing to live in Essex know about geography.

Brian

I was sure that Brazil and Argentina are south of the equator, still what does anybody born and raised in Bristol know about football, and choosing to live in Essex know about geography.

Brian

So who won the Premier league then?. . . . . . . . . . . . . Hmmm, not Liverpool - yet another failure - a bit like calling it the "City of Culture".

I wasn't aware that you could use "culture" and "Liverpool" in the same breath. Judging by last year's failure, neither was anybody else.

Is there any culture north of the M4 corridor? During my very brief visits there I haven't spotted any.

Col

I wasn't aware that you could use "culture" and "Liverpool" in the same breath. Judging by last year's failure, neither was anybody else.Is there any culture north of the M4 corridor? During my very brief visits there I haven't spotted any.

Col

Care to elaborate on the bold bit?

I notice that you switch between attacking Liverpool and the North in general depending on the subject, a bit like all of your arguments.

For our non english readers Liverpool and Manchester United, both in the Norrth West, have both been Champions of England 18 times, I doubt that all of the clubs South of the M4 added together total 18 championships, Bristol's clubs? never but then you do have to be in the top division first. :D

Only Liverpool (5 times) and Man u (3) have won the European Championship.

Look foreward to you explanation of the bold bit Col

Brian

I may be wrong but Liverpool was supposed to be the City of Culture 2008?

Apart from seeing Ringo Starr on the news arriving from his Monacco home, I can't recall seeing anything else about it. The PR dept. certainly didn't venture too far south.

As for the footy - I think Liverpool is certainly worthy of the premiership title, I'm sorry the arrogant Man U got it again this year. Our fave Liverpool player is Gerrard.

You are quite correct, Bristol clubs are shite.

Is there culture in the North? Sell it to me - why should I venture into the darkness of rows of terraced houses, whippets and flat caps.

I lived in Leicester for 2 years - felt like I was an ethnic minority, it's like living in India, I was the wrong colour. I also went for an interview once in Grimsby, hated it, it smelt of rotting fish - I turned down the job they offered.

Col

Care to elaborate on the bold bit?

I notice that you switch between attacking Liverpool and the North in general depending on the subject, a bit like all of your arguments.

For our non english readers Liverpool and Manchester United, both in the Norrth West, have both been Champions of England 18 times, I doubt that all of the clubs South of the M4 added together total 18 championships, Bristol's clubs? never but then you do have to be in the top division first. :D

Only Liverpool (5 times) and Man u (3) have won the European Championship.

Look foreward to you explanation of the bold bit Col

Brian

Or Villa and Forest?

Or Villa and Forest?

Damn, you should be on my side not giving a southerner ammunition, but yes I apologies to all midlanders I forgot about those teams winning the European Cup. :o

Brian

Its OK Brian - they are not exctly Southern , your side of the M4 aren't they?

Who takes Oceania seriously. Anything south of the equator is regarded as a joke.

Col
I find it especially comic watching the attemps of Southern Hemisphere teams like Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay who have all won the World Cup at least twice. :rolleyes:

Well, not quite - I was living in NZ at the time, great days. It was a great acheivement to make it. If FIFA took Oceania seriously you might be a chance, but the way it is now, extremely difficult. You need continuous, competitive matches.

Perhaps they too could move to Asia to get an easier qualification? For that matter why don't we?

I may be wrong but Liverpool was supposed to be the City of Culture 2008?

Apart from seeing Ringo Starr on the news arriving from his Monacco home, I can't recall seeing anything else about it. The PR dept. certainly didn't venture too far south.

I cannot comment on the PR or advertising of the events outside Liverpool but apparently all of the hotels were full, the events fully booked, and the museums and art galleries, of which we have several, well attended, however I can well believe that we did not advertise in the SE of England as we appreciate how narrow minded, ie so narrow as to be closed, most of the people living in that area are.


Is there culture in the North? Sell it to me - why should I venture into the darkness of rows of terraced houses, whippets and flat caps.
Culture is in the eye and ear of the beholder, opera is crap, ballet is crap, jazz is great etc.
I suppose there are cobbled streets , flat caps and whippets, I just cannot recall when I last saw any.

I lived in Leicester for 2 years - felt like I was an ethnic minority, it's like living in India, I was the wrong colour.

Leicester was in the midlands last time I looked.

I also went for an interview once in Grimsby, hated it, it smelt of rotting fish - I turned down the job they offered.

It is an old fishing port, what did you expect.

Brian

I think we have kinda hijacked this thread, sorry guys.

Brian

Ah, you Poms, your cities are as booring as your rugby teams

Now if you are going to get critical when I visited Oz I found it a pale copy of the US and I always prefer originals.

Brian

Now if you are going to get critical when I visited Oz I found it a pale copy of the US and I always prefer originals.

Brian

Another whingeing pom we wont have to put up
Oh dear, how sad, never mind

Oh dear, do Aussies call everybody who mildly criticises something about Oz, even during banter, a whinger? I guess that says alot about them.

Brian

Hey, if the wellie fits

Leicester was in the midlands last time I looked.

There's little difference between the Midlands and the North, but in both, just having an inside toilet is a luxury. Fortunately when we lived in Leicester, we had a 4 bedroom detached house in a decent area, so we didn't witness too much of the slummy areas.

Plus, the Midlands and the North are both full of people who struggle to speak English correctly - it's so frustrating not being able to communicate with the natives. Fortunately though, there are people there from overseas with whom one can have a decent conversation.

I suppose there are cobbled streets , flat caps and whippets, I just cannot recall when I last saw any.


Well I suppose that is more the Yorkshire area than Liverpool.

Still we do have something in common - both Bristol and Liverpool made huge wealth on slavery. In Bristol we have many grand houses and areas that were built with the money from selling slaves to the USA. Those days are gone now.

Col

Now if you are going to get critical when I visited Oz I found it a pale copy of the US and I always prefer originals.

Brian

On a subject, you will ALL note, completely unrelated to rugby:

Having been a contributor to blaming the US for all our financial problems

and having a keen interest in how the UK general public were appalled at the largesse the UK bankers granted themselves: it is now with a greater interest I note the UK politicians whose job it was to oversee the bankers have been happily feathering their own nests for the last ????? years:

What was the last ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the worlds progress?????????

Attacking rugby certainly wasn't one of them!!

On a subject, you will ALL note, completely unrelated to rugby:

Having been a contributor to blaming the US for all our financial problems

and having a keen interest in how the UK general public were appalled at the largesse the UK bankers granted themselves: it is now with a greater interest I note the UK politicians whose job it was to oversee the bankers have been happily feathering their own nests for the last ????? years:

What was the last ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the worlds progress?????????

Attacking rugby certainly wasn't one of them!!Don't remember you winning the Rugby World Cup in 2003:D

At least in Britain we name and shame those with snouts in the trough and don't sweep it under the carpet.:eek:

And for a british contribution to World progress what about Tim Berners-Lee and the internet:)

Well it wasn't the rotary washing line - which I beleive is one of oz's great inventions.

Well it wasn't the rotary washing line - which I beleive is one of oz's great inventions.

THey have another?!

Brian

THey have another?!

Brian

The helicopter! - Its based on an aboriginal idea, the boomerang, or so I have been told. I am not sure how Da Vinci copied it.

What was the last ACTUAL contribution the UK made to the worlds progress?????????

Attacking rugby certainly wasn't one of them!!
How about creating rugby?

How about creating rugby?

Rugby was invented for those not skillfull enough to play proper football.

Brian

Rugby was invented for those not skillfull enough to play proper football.

Brian
I don't know about 'skillful', but I believe the evolutionary steps were:

Football - For those who wanted to kick the ball.

Rugby - For those who want to also be able to pick up the ball and run with it.

American Football - For those who couldn't handle the restriction of tackling only those carrying the ball.

Ice Hockey - For those who couldn't handle the fact that people being tackled could 'escape' off the pitch.

Cage Fighting - For those who felt that the whole ball/puck thing was getting in the way. :D

LOL


Brian

THey have another?!

Brian
Yeah, drinking gnats piss;)

St George?

I will put Michael Gordon in this empty position

ahh, the legendary, but to me completely unkown Michael Gordon - more info please

Australia's greatest rugby team .... now there's an oxymoron for you.

Let's see what happens tomorrow.

And why is it called "American Football". It should be called "American Handball with the very occasional foot".

Well, list your best ever South African team

In no particular order:

Danwel Demas
Dusty Noble
Fabian Juries
Jaco van Schalkwyk
Jonah Mokuena
Kabamba Floors
Marius Schoeman
Mpho Mzukisi Mbiyozo
Mzwandile Stick
Philip Burger
Rayno Benjamin
Rennie Dazel
Robert Ebersohn
Schalk van der Merwe
Stefan Basson
Tobela Mdaka
Vuyo Zangqa
Wayne van Heerden

??? I know not these names

You'll find they all play for the team at the top of the following table:

http://www.irb.com/irbsevens/standings.html

http://www.irb.com/irbsevens/news/newsid=2032654.html