(Yes, after several drinks too many, another anti US spiell)

Intersting that George W was quite happy to manufacture evidence that Iraq had WMD, while North Korea not only quite hapilly admitted it had them, what's more, they were quite happy to use them!

GWB invated Iraq, ignored North Korea (they couldn't beat them in the '50's, why try again)

So what will golden boy Obama do?

Probably, more importantly, what will the rest of us do to make the United Nations actually mean something?

The US has traditionally treated the United Nations as a vehicle to promote US policy -now that US stocks are so low in the rest of the world, who's going to drive this thing? Or do 'we' (western hemisphere) all give up and leave it to the Chinese & Indians?

Now there's some thought for some indigestion

We, (the west) have no right to dictate to anyone that it is bad for them to have nuclear weapons when we (the west) have thousands of them.

Yes, we have got rid of a few, but that means we only have enough to destroy the world a couple of times.
It's like having a bag of frozen peas and removing 20 or so, then saying I've cut back on peas.

Remind me again which country has used nuclear weapons in anger against another race.

Col

GWB invated Iraq, ignored North Korea (they couldn't beat them in the '50's, why try again)



The plan was alphabetical, don't you see? Afghanistan, Iraq, N. Korea was going to be next, but they didn't quite get there before Bush's term was up.

Bush invaded Pakistan before he left office... he just doesn't know his ABC's

North Korea has informed the US that any attempt to board their ships in international waters will be responded to by a nuke. North Korea doesn't have any ships. They have about twenty PT boats. That's their Navy. They don't have a merchant navy.

North Korea now has nukes and rockets to lauch them. As the only country they may wish to pick a war with is South Korea and as South Korea is allied with the US and as North Korea is totally dependent on China for their basic survival and as China has no wish to go to war with the US...are you seeing the picture here.

North Korea should be treated like any other bratty child throwing a tantrum. Just ignore them.

Given the above, I think it quite likely that China will be the country to invade North Korea.

Given the above, I think it quite likely that China will be the country to invade North Korea.

The moment N Korea does something to really insult China, I think there will be what we sometimes call a "Come-to-Jesus" meeting between the two. As in, "After we helped you so much back in the 1950s, you wanna do this kind of stuff to us? You're on your own, Bubba!"

North Korea should be treated like any other bratty child throwing a tantrum. Just ignore them.

We tried something like this before. It was called appeasement. That didn't turn out so well.

If I saw a bratty child building a nuclear weapon, I think I would have to do something about it. Building a nuclear weapon is not quite the same as a tantrum.

We tried something like this before.
Actually you didn't, Americans preferred to sit watching the TV at the time

Thank you, Rich, for your ever so useful contribution to this thread. :P

I don't expect or need accolades for correcting errors in posts thanks

Stop being so modest!

There is a world of difference between building a nuke and using it. Not even the Kim cadre in North Korea is that dumb as they know the reaction of the US will be to turn North Korea into a glazed radioactive wasteland.

North Korea is quite likely the most backward country in Asia. Their standard of living is non existent, the country is constantly tettering on the brink of starvation and the powers that be have everyone convinced the US and South Korea are massed for an invasion (that hasn't happened for 57 years). Yet they have gone out and built a nuke.

Makes our Western governments look almost competent.

North Korea is quite likely the most backward country in Asia. Their standard of living is non existent, the country is constantly tettering on the brink of starvation and the powers that be have everyone convinced the US and South Korea are massed for an invasion (that hasn't happened for 57 years). Yet they have gone out and built a nuke.

The trouble is, nobody in North Korea knows this, they have been entirely brainwashed that 'all is right with the world'

There is as much starvation in India and few seem to be trying to get them to reconsider, or Israel for that matter

There is a world of difference between building a nuke and using it.

The only way to prevent nukes from going off is to prevent them from being built, especially by countries that are so unstable.

The trouble is, nobody in North Korea knows this, they have been entirely brainwashed that 'all is right with the world'


Substitute "North Korea" for "the USA" and you have an accurate statement.

The only way to prevent nukes from going off is to prevent them from being built, especially by countries that are so unstable.

That's exactly why the US should not have them.

Col

Another extremely useful post. Thank you, Col. Once again you have contributed another very useful point.

Another extremely useful post. Thank you, Col. Once again you have contributed another very useful point.

You're welcome.

Col

Substitute "North Korea" for "the USA" and you have an accurate statement. That's exactly why the US should not have them. Col

Yes, indeed. In a country where a moron/maniac like Rush Limbaugh can attain near-godlike status among the Republican Party, who are we to dictate anything? Our country is in the sh*tt*r...:(

Yes, indeed. In a country where a moron/maniac like Rush Limbaugh can attain near-godlike status among the Republican Party, who are we to dictate anything? Our country is in the sh*tt*r...:(

Notice that Rush Limbaugh has never stood for public office. People like listening to his tirades but nobody would vote him in as dogcatcher.

That's exactly why the US should not have them.

Col


Actually, NO ONE should have them. But the genie's out of the bottle.

North Korea test launched seven missiles today. It's the 4th of July. Coincidence?

Actually, NO ONE should have them. But the genie's out of the bottle.

North Korea test launched seven missiles today. It's the 4th of July. Coincidence?

Straight from the USA here...
Bash us all you want and be an armchair quarterback all you want, but I hope you really see what is going on here. It's no longer about the good ol' USA, there is a bigger movement going on here and quite frankly I don't like what I see from any one country...yours included.

Like organized crime, I think we are experiencing "organized politics" and you are all still fighting the "old" cause. I don't think it is as easy as it was in the old days, blaming a country, dictator or whatever. I think there is a global vision by our leaders and some of us are stuck thinking "USA bad, Russia bad, China bad...", but in reality, there is a much bigger enemy before us.

The USA sucks for sure, but I can't name one other country that is any better and taking the lead in the crap that is happening to US ALL right now. What I see is a lot of people saying this sucks or that sucks but not doing anything about it. And our leaders are taking advantage of that very moment!!!!!

I really like this board a lot, and I can accept the bashing that goes on, but before you start flapping your lip...check your own damn backyard!

Just something to think about.

but before you start flapping your lip...check your own damn backyard!

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Since I don't have a backyard you'll have to explain

Since I don't have a backyard you'll have to explain

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What the hell's that got to do with having a backyard?

Straight from the USA here...
Bash us all you want and be an armchair quarterback all you want, but I hope you really see what is going on here. It's no longer about the good ol' USA, there is a bigger movement going on here and quite frankly I don't like what I see from any one country...yours included.

Like organized crime, I think we are experiencing "organized politics" and you are all still fighting the "old" cause. I don't think it is as easy as it was in the old days, blaming a country, dictator or whatever. I think there is a global vision by our leaders and some of us are stuck thinking "USA bad, Russia bad, China bad...", but in reality, there is a much bigger enemy before us.

The USA sucks for sure, but I can't name one other country that is any better and taking the lead in the crap that is happening to US ALL right now. What I see is a lot of people saying this sucks or that sucks but not doing anything about it. And our leaders are taking advantage of that very moment!!!!!

I really like this board a lot, and I can accept the bashing that goes on, but before you start flapping your lip...check your own damn backyard!

Just something to think about.

I have no idea how you got me "bashing the USA" from my post.
Would the world be a better place is no one had nuculear weapons is the substance of my post.
My previous posts on this subject are to the point that North Korea has only developed atomic weapons so that they can get blackmail money, aid and assistance from the US by getting rid of them.
So far, the US had done nothing. The correct way to treat a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum.

What the hell's that got to do with having a backyard?
What the hell does your not having a backyard have to do with my comment? Clearly you were being a smart ass and I was not just going to let that one go.

I have no idea how you got me "bashing the USA" from my post.
I wasn't necessarily attacking you, if you go through this thread and MANY others there is clearly an anti-USA sentiment and the stabbing comments do get a bit much to take. Which is where my backyard comment comes in :D

So far, the US had done nothing. The correct way to treat a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum.
Say the above quote to yourself again and try to see how offensive this statement is. Last time I looked, the USA wasn't the only country in the world.

Say the above quote to yourself again and try to see how offensive this statement is. Last time I looked, the USA wasn't the only country in the world.

I don't see how that comment is offensive. He simply said the Good Old US did nothing.

I don't see how that comment is offensive. He simply said the Good Old US did nothing.

I don't remember the "Good Ol' " part.

And I said "the USA wasn't the only country in the world.". So if your unhappy with the USA for their inaction let's also be unhappy with all the other countries that sit by the sidelines and do nothing.

Statsman said the Good Old US has done nothing, but then he said that was the proper thing to do.

I myself gave no indication as to what I think the proper response should have been. I was only saying that Statesman comment was not offensive.

What the hell does your not having a backyard have to do with my comment? Clearly you were being a smart ass and I was not just going to let that one go.




Quite clearly you were being illiterate both in the original post and subsequent respose

Erm ... isn't check your own damn backyard!
kinda like our saying "people in glass houses should not throw stones"
I thought the meaning of Dan's comment was pretty obvious, but then so was Statsman's
So far, the US had done nothing. The correct way to treat a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum.
which for some reason Dan threw a tantrum over.

I do wish people would take time to read posts and take the comments in context.

Brian

Are you guys serious?
You really don't know what "your own backyard" means?

I think the big problem here (besides the above) for me anyway is the constant US bashing. And maybe this thread wasn't the best one to bring it up on (but there are hints of it for sure), there are so many on other threads that it really does get old.

Quite clearly you were being illiterate both in the original post and subsequent respose
And you are a freakin' idiot.

Are you guys serious?
You really don't know what "your own backyard" means?

We have gardens in the UK not a yard. A yard is a place where a builders merchant may store all the bricks etc etc.

I think the big problem here (besides the above) for me anyway is the constant US bashing.

Well, the USA is still one of the most hated country in the world - stop invading places and it may improve. Obama has helped to improve but is all talk and no action. People here have tried to bash the UK, but it fell away when most UK posters actually agreed.

Another problem with that is that US posters have no idea where the UK is.

Col

I think the big problem here (besides the above) for me anyway is the constant US bashing.

As I am sure you are aware, us Americans are not very liked around the world. When you come to a forum hosted by another country (seeing the .uk at the end of the web address), particulalry in an opinions-based category, you should expect there to be some anti-US opinions.

Of course, the posters who are blindly anti-US you should just learn to ignore. Most of the posters here, both UKers and USAers are very reasonable.

TBT, I think you're just being overly sensitive.

We do have back yards in the UK - the term tends to refer to small, paved, walled or fenced garden/utility areas behind terraced houses, especially in the north and Scotland, possibly Wales and Ireland too.

And I trust most of us (with notable exceptions) who don't actually use the term on a daily basis are sufficiently internationally-aware to understand what it means, or smart enough to work it out.

We do have back yards in the UK - the term tends to refer to small, paved, walled or fenced garden/utility areas behind terraced houses, especially in the north and Scotland, possibly Wales and Ireland too.


That is true, but as it refers to houses in the North, it's not really significant.

Col

You've become a parody of yourself.

They have backyards in the South too, but being very pretentious they often call them Patios or Courtyards, but I think Col understood the term but just decided to be , well, Col

Brian

You'll be pleased to know we tend to refer to back yards are back greens up here in Scotland, or, "backies" just to confuse the issue :D

In Guatemala, they don't have yards, the houses are right up next to each other. But when you go into the house you actually enter a courtyard with the hallways and rooms around it. Some even have roof top patios. It's really beautiful there.

They have backyards in the South too, but being very pretentious they often call them Patios or Courtyards, but I think Col understood the term but just decided to be , well, Col

Brian

We have several little patios in our back garden interspersed with shrubs, roses, a pond, various sheds and a greenhouse where the tomatoes are still green!

I've never lived in a house with a "back yard" - it's so Coronation Street.

Col

Are you guys serious?
You really don't know what "your own backyard" means?


Well since you were responding to a Guy from Canada you must mean the US 'cause that's the only country in the Canadadian back yard:rolleyes:

Say the above quote to yourself again and try to see how offensive this statement is. Last time I looked, the USA wasn't the only country in the world.

Dan, I'm attempting to COMPLIMENT the US. Why are you making it so difficult?
If you go back to my previous postS on this topic, you will see that my position is that North Korea has developed nuclear weapons to force the USA to pay them to dismantle them. What other use are they to North Korea?
North Korea isn't attempting to hold the rest of the world hostage for a big cash payout...only the US.
The USA's reaction so far has been exactly what it should be in a tricky diplomatic situation.

But North Korea isn't attempting to hold the rest of the world hostage for a big cash payout...only the US.

This anti-American propaganda is bologna.

People here have tried to bash the UK, but it fell away when most UK posters actually agreed. Col

This is exactly why so many US posters erroneously get upset with Col.

I'm afraid the USA doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit the USA. There is no other motive.

Col

I'm afraid the USA doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit the USA. There is no other motive.

Col

Or, better yet, the USA doesn't do anything that doesn't benefit the top 5% of the population of the USA...:mad:

My purpose in setting this off was not to be another US bash (fun though that pasttime is) but more to prompt what the rest of us were going to do about NK's lunatic leaders?

If the US doesn't do anything, who else will?

This anti-American propaganda is bologna.

LOL
reminds me of a recent crossword clue
Spicy sausage? Nonsence!

Brian

My purpose in setting this off was not to be another US bash (fun though that pasttime is) but more to prompt what the rest of us were going to do about NK's lunatic leaders?

If the US doesn't do anything, who else will?

As long as the lunatics stay within the confines of the asylum (North Korea), why do anything?

As long as the lunatics stay within the confines of the asylum (North Korea), why do anything?

So if your next door neighbour, in your opinion was a bit of a nutter and every time you seen him he was unloading more amunition into his house, you'd be ok with that? You wouldn't even consider calling the police because he's staying in the confines of his asylum? :confused:

Hi Oumehexi,
firstly, I would like to tell you I am not against US, but I will like to tell you one thing. when you say does lunatics allowed to keep ammunition in their own backyard? if the North Korea comes up with the same statement for United States what will you say?

Where did I actually say that North Korea was a lunatic? Even if it is true. In my opinion, I was simply countering something that Statsman said.

Peace begets peace.

Neville Chamberlain might beg to differ

It's more or less the same. you said 'what will you do if your neighbor is loading ammunition at his backyard'. Everybody thinks of his own safety, if North Korea has made nuclear weapon, then US has no rights to go against North Korea, because US itself posses nuclear bombs. To look into other eyes and point fingers doesn't look good, if you yourself is doing the same thing. Peace cannot be obtain out of force. Peace begets peace.

More or less the same? More or less?? That is why innocent people get convicted because jurers are content with "more or less". Did I say it or did I not? Just answer the question before I am forced to beat you into being more placid in your attitude ;) :D

Oh, I'm sorry sweetcheeks, I didn't realise you wanted a serious debate.

OK, so, when NATO agreed that the world should start to reduce it's neclear weaponry, which countries did it list as being the ones that were exempt? And if countries want to ignore these directives, does that look stable to you? Where do you draw the line? And is that the same one you accuse me of stepping over?

First of all UN and Nato directives should be followed by every country. But there are several instances when top countries of the world had ignored UN directives. I don't think I should name the countries, Oh go on, be a little devil :D

because you know which countries I am referring to. I don't, really, I don't, humour me.

therefore, you shouldn't accuse countries of ignoring Nato directives.

Or?

So if your next door neighbour, in your opinion was a bit of a nutter and every time you seen him he was unloading more amunition into his house, you'd be ok with that? You wouldn't even consider calling the police because he's staying in the confines of his asylum? :confused:

What police are you planning to call? In this situation, your neighbour's name is FRANCE.

It's difficult to enforce UN and NATO directives when N. Korea is not a member of either. The only action available to stop N. Korea from building nukes is to invade or to pay them a huge bribe. My point since this topic began is that the bribe is the only reason they built the nukes in the first place.

What police are you planning to call? In this situation, your neighbour's name is FRANCE.

You have oversimplified and your example is not valid. The only way to stop N. Korea from building nukes is to invade it. In additon, it's difficult to enforce UN and NATO directives when N. Korea is not a member of either.

Oh I don't think you can ever over simplify anything. People just make life so much more complicated than it is.

So, we call the police, in this case, most countries would look to the US for the job as they seem perfectly happy to fulfill this role.

Back in the real world, if the police aren't doing anything about it you have two options, you can either lift your skirt and run like a wee girlie or get your backside down to the gunsmith and match his arsenal so that you are prepared for when he does blow his top. That, of course, means that you are breaking the law in order to pre-empt your neighbour breaking the law, but, as the police (UN/NATO) aren't interested what are your options?

Bush and Bliar both ignored Nato and the US regularly does because it can't control it:rolleyes:

Bush and Bliar both ignored Nato and the US regularly does because it can't control it:rolleyes:

The US is right to ignore NATO, they are, after all, in charge! :D

Maybe you should change your name to NATO and Col can change his to UN, then everything will be as it should be :rolleyes:

The US is right to ignore NATO, they are, after all, in charge! :D



That's why the French won't join

I am sorry as I was busy with my work. I know you are waiting for me.

With baited breath

I think you have very less knowledge about International affairs. Ouch, that was a tad bitchy :)

United States invaded Iraq after UN opposed to the idea. American invasion of Iraq was against the UN directive

No! Did they? Wow, the things you learn eh?

and you expect North Korea to follow what a bunch of countries called 'NATO' say.

I sure do.

That's why the French won't join

Oh and I thought it was because they were all "l'amour" :D

With baited breath

Ouch, that was a tad bitchy :)


No! Did they? Wow, the things you learn eh?



I sure do.

Ouma, You are so nice! Teach me how to be this way, wise one...:rolleyes:

Ouma, You are so nice! Teach me how to be this way, wise one...:rolleyes:

I know, my posts should come with a government health warning:

"Warning, reading these posts can cause diabetes"

LOL.

"Warning, reading these posts can cause diabetes"

LOL.
Only if you swallow:eek:

Only if you swallow:eek:

And that would be telling ;)

And that would be telling ;)

Gulp! :eek:

Gulp! :eek:
Only one gulp, must have been short changed.........

Well North Korea seems enjoying this nuclear weapon
program. Maybe they think this is prestige for their
country. And of course for security purposes???