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ajetrumpet
12-10-2009, 09:28 PM
To everyone here that is not part of the USA, I guess I can say sorry for what our stupid government is doing. I am watching the news right now, and I'm sitting here thinking "There's no way I'm having any kids".

I have no idea what I would say if I met a majority congressman, or even the president, but I'll tell you something for sure, I would be scared to death to even look at them. I got a cold shiver down my back when I learned tonight that congress is trying to push a debt ceiling increase bill before the year is over. I couldn't believe my ears. Not that I really care because I'm unaffected by this whole thing, but I feel bad for other people for sure.

And by the way, does anyone else here feel a devilish hatred or just simply want to cry when they see the incredibly fake smile that Nancy Pelosi always has on her face? My god, that just makes me want to....


I do wonder sometimes too, if a woman who is that fake could possibly have a heart left in her body. I bet she hasn't experienced any human feeling for years. That's truly sad.

Rich
12-10-2009, 11:12 PM
Yes this government is left saddled with the mess BUSH left behind,
how odd that you're not ashamed of that administration:rolleyes:

ajetrumpet
12-10-2009, 11:13 PM
Yes this government is left saddled with the mess BUSH left behind,
how odd that you're not ashamed of that administration:rolleyes:the news people said today that more than half of americans polled wanted bush back in office so they can go back to work. :rolleyes:

i guess it's either a job or war. didn't you say once that you have been self-employed nearly all your life? you sure as heck wouldn't be now if you lived over this way rich.

Mike375
12-10-2009, 11:27 PM
Shortest books ever written

1. THINGS I DID TO DESERVE THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE by Barack Obama
2. OTHER BLACK PEOPLE I'VE MET WHILE YACHTING by Tiger Woods
3. THINGS I LOVE ABOUT MY COUNTRY by Jane Fonda & Cindy Sheehan. Illustrated by Michael Moore
4. MY CHRISTIAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS & HOW I HELPED AFTER KATRINA by /Rev Jesse Jackson & Rev Al Sharpton
5. THINGS I LOVE ABOUT BILL by Hillary Clinton
6. Sequel: THINGS I LOVE ABOUT HILLARY By Bill Clinton
7. THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates
8. THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman
9. THINGS WE KNOW TO BE TRUE by Al Gore & John Kerry
10. AMELIA EARHART'S GUIDE TO THE PACIFIC
11. A COLLECTION of MOTIVATIONAL SPEECHES by Dr. J. Kevorkian
12. TO ALL THE MEN WE'VE LOVED BEFORE by Ellen de Generes & Rosie O'Donnel
13. THE AMISH PHONE DIRECTORY
14. MY PLAN TO FIND THE REAL KILLER by O. J. Simpson
15. HOW TO DRINK & DRIVE SAFELY by Ted Kennedy
16. MY BOOK OF MORALS by Bill Clinton with introduction by the Rev. Jesse Jackson/
AND, JUST ADDED:
17. Complete Knowledge of Military Strategy By Nancy Pelosi

David Eagar
12-10-2009, 11:33 PM
This possibly fits in with thoughts I have been having about the state of the globe.

The end to to the current global Financial / Climate / Food crises is very simple:

Apparently it is quite humane to cull animals if the over-populate - Given the above crises are caused by humans I propose a human cull.

When elected world leader, my first actions will be to:

a) Make smoking compulsory
b) make taxes on tobacco illeagal
c) Outlaw the medical profession and all forms of medical research
d) Make not only the right to bear weapons in the US, it will now be compulsory
e) Sentence all workers in the Finance / Currency exchange industry to capital punishment (I will be quite happy to pull the lever on the electric chair)

That should make a healthy start to fixing our problems

David Eagar
12-10-2009, 11:46 PM
Actually, the US problem is the same we have in Australia. 200+ years ago when the nation was first set up and it took 2 weeks to get from one side of the country to the other, having states made sense.

Neither government can legislation through because of regional interests, so NOTHING gets done

Today, with instaneous communication, it doesn't. What existing political party is going to change the system to exclude their party members out of a job by abolishing states? NONE

So, we need NEW parties to change the current political system - and where are these going to come from? In the US I believe less than 50% of the population voted (I am subject to correction if I am wrong)

In Australia, we get fined if we don't vote (if we didn't we wouldn't have a government because we are all at the beach on voting day!!)

CHANGE THE SYSTEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ajetrumpet
12-10-2009, 11:50 PM
In the US I believe less than 50% of the population voted (I am subject to correction if I am wrong)wow. that's incredible. I didn't actually know that, I thought that was more than half for sure.

Are you sure about that? if that IS true though, the 50% that WERE there were standing next to Oprah cheering the first black man to be president. But what is he now? A good leader, or just another man? I'd say the latter. There is nothing more concrete that shows america's stupidity than people (and certainly the brainless politicians) in an election year. :rolleyes:


and bt, never underestimate the power of a political motive. most have one, which is really sad.

Atomic Shrimp
12-11-2009, 12:03 AM
Power corrupts - so they say, and I see no counterexamples in the world of politics. We're going through a massive media circus here in the UK over politician's expenses. The previous (opposition) government did the same thing, so it's obviously just a case of opportunity bringing out the worst in people.

David Eagar
12-11-2009, 12:05 AM
wow. that's incredible. I didn't actually know that, I thought that was more than half for sure.

Are you sure about that? if that IS true though, the 50% that WERE there were standing next to Oprah cheering the first black man to be president. But what is he now? A good leader, or just another man? I'd say the latter. There is nothing more concrete that shows america's stupidity than people (and certainly the brainless politicians) in an election year. :rolleyes:


and bt, never underestimate the power of a political motive. most have one, which is really sad.

No, but I think I'm somewhere in the ballpark

Where would you be now if (his opponents who's name I can't remember) got in ??????????????

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 12:08 AM
Where would you be now if (his opponents who's name I can't remember) got in ??????????????

we would be nowhere because the guy was simply too old and he's out of "fight". he couldn't have fought hard enough for what is right anyway. the name was John McCaine. His ideas are great for the people, but like I said, he's simply too old and he doesn't have enough fight left in him for it to make a difference against the younger ones (I don't think anyway).

As I've experienced tragically, it takes months of fighting the government to get anything accomplished worth while. But then again, if you want to complain about everything that's wrong, you can probably get a job with a government agency. I'm thinking of learning how to do just that instead of trying to attain a career in IT or accounting. :D

David Eagar
12-11-2009, 12:14 AM
Ah, McCain - another American 'hero' from failed policies 30 years ago.

Instead of creating a hero out of someone who was dumb enough to get captured, why not select someone who was smart enough NOT TO BE????

David Eagar
12-11-2009, 12:51 AM
To all you US & UK viewers,

It is now 2016, go back in history and see what happened to Germany in the 1920's when it decided to print money to get out of a financial crisis.

In 2016 the US & UK currency will be on par with Botwsana / North Korea for exactly the same reasons - Get it right or disappear !!!!!

Pauldohert
12-11-2009, 01:33 AM
To all you US & UK viewers,

It is now 2016, go back in history and see what happened to Germany in the 1920's when it decided to print money to get out of a financial crisis.

In 2016 the US & UK currency will be on par with Botwsana / North Korea for exactly the same reasons - Get it right or disappear !!!!!

As long as we still have Kylie , Home and Away, cheap plonk - and the backing (bludging) of Oz in places like Afghanistan it'll be OK.

I do hope the Indonesians let these things continue. They may even do something about your greenhouse emissions.

Rich
12-11-2009, 02:14 AM
As long as we still have cheap plonk - .
What's wrong with cheap plonk, it's the only comfort we have left:mad:

Pauldohert
12-11-2009, 02:21 AM
What's wrong with cheap plonk, it's the only comfort we have left:mad:

Well California has dumbed some of its lesser wine down to the levels of Australian wine - to compete in the mass market - in 2016 no doubt you will be buying from there instead.

GalaxiomAtHome
12-11-2009, 03:49 AM
George W Bush and his puppeteers ruined the chances of the planet to do something in time. These men and the Republican Party in general will be remembered for their evil, greedy, amoral motives. McCain avoided being included by failing to be elected. Had Republicans reigned another term we would have had no hope.

GalaxiomAtHome
12-11-2009, 04:12 AM
Well California has dumbed some of its lesser wine down to the levels of Australian wine - to compete in the mass market - in 2016 no doubt you will be buying from there instead.

American jingoistic prejudice. A minor example of what is deeply sick with so many in the USA. The strength of the US lies in the obsessive self belief of its people. You have believed you own hype for far too long. The facade cannot be maintained indefinitely.

The economy was given a reprieve by the sale of toxic debt derivitaves across the globe. Don't expect to get away with this deceitful theft again.

Take a look at what has happened to the value of the Greenback in the past decade. You cannot spend trillions on wars while neglecting real development and expect to continue to be cutting edge in anything but war.

The clearest example of misplaced investment is General Motors. They had a cutting edge electric vehicle prototype in beta testing. These cars were recalled and destroyed. Instead they developed the military inspired Hummer and now the company is a good as dead. Would this have happened if the government had focussed on replacing oil instead of trying to dominate the Middle East in an expensive and futile effort to secure oil supplies?

Wake up America.

Rich
12-11-2009, 08:23 AM
American jingoistic prejudice. A minor example of what is deeply sick with so many in the USA. The strength of the US lies in the obsessive self belief of its people. You have believed you own hype for far too long. The facade cannot be maintained indefinitely.

The economy was given a reprieve by the sale of toxic debt derivitaves across the globe. Don't expect to get away with this deceitful theft again.

Take a look at what has happened to the value of the Greenback in the past decade. You cannot spend trillions on wars while neglecting real development and expect to continue to be cutting edge in anything but war.

The clearest example of misplaced investment is General Motors. They had a cutting edge electric vehicle prototype in beta testing. These cars were recalled and destroyed. Instead they developed the military inspired Hummer and now the company is a good as dead. Would this have happened if the government had focussed on replacing oil instead of trying to dominate the Middle East in an expensive and futile effort to secure oil supplies?

Wake up America.
Pst., Paul is actually British by the way;)
I think he lives way up North in an unruly place called Liverpool:D

Mike375
12-11-2009, 09:14 AM
Obama has been great for gun sales in America and even better for reloading components. But causes short supply for us in Ausatralia.

I think a lot of people let their bias cause them to under estimate the US of A.

jamesmor
12-11-2009, 10:07 AM
the news people said today that more than half of americans polled wanted bush back in office so they can go back to work.

the polls should be put in the proper place in the news paper, right by the garfield comic, where they belong

america has 2 problems

1. all our government is; are good old boys keeping themselves rich

2. the american people are too lazy to do anything about #1

Rich
12-11-2009, 10:17 AM
in Ausatralia.

Is that some remote island in the Pacific or Indian ocean?:confused:

Brianwarnock
12-11-2009, 10:19 AM
Perhaps he's part Italian?

Brian

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 02:49 PM
George W Bush and his puppeteers ruined the chances of the planet to do something in time. These men and the Republican Party in general will be remembered for their evil, greedy, amoral motives. McCain avoided being included by failing to be elected. Had Republicans reigned another term we would have had no hope.

are you seriously backing the democrats? god help us... if they don't cause a run on the banks after their reign of ruining us, I'll kiss your bottom!

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 02:51 PM
Obama has been great for gun sales in America and even better for reloading components. But causes short supply for us in Ausatralia.

I think a lot of people let their bias cause them to under estimate the US of A.

gun sales lead to a great chance of civil war mike. yay for you and your hobby. :rolleyes:

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 02:52 PM
1. all our government is; are good old boys keeping themselves rich


no argument here, but alas, Obama changes "good ol' boys" to "anybody". If I do remember correctly, most "good 'ol boys" are white boys. I don't Obama can be put in that pool.

Mike375
12-11-2009, 03:46 PM
Is that some remote island in the Pacific or Indian ocean?:confused:

I was checking to see if the spell and grammar checkers were out in force:)

GalaxiomAtHome
12-11-2009, 03:49 PM
are you seriously backing the democrats? god help us... if they don't cause a run on the banks after their reign of ruining us, I'll kiss your bottom!

The hole was dug by the Bush government turning public money into death and destruction to profit his militarist cronies. Their refusal to control the malpractices of the financial sector was pivotal in the collapse.

I doubt that Obama can fix it. You are probably right about the inevitable ruin but you are pointing the finger at the wrong man. Such a pity the Republicans were able to cheat their way back into office for Bush's second term.

Steve R.
12-11-2009, 04:40 PM
Yes this government is left saddled with the mess BUSH left behind,
how odd that you're not ashamed of that administration:rolleyes:

Actually, the coming "demise" of this country goes back to Reagan. Bush was just a shallow half-baked Reagan wannabee. Now we have a President who is an empty "image". Forbes has a really good article on the emptiness of Obama receiving the Noble Peace Prize (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1214/opinions-paul-johnson-current-events.html).

The "real" problem, as I see it, is that our corporate and political leaders (both parties), lack any sense of obligation for working for the benefit of the American people. All they seem to care about is getting elected, acting important, funding pork projects that we can't pay for. We have become an "entitlement society" without any sense of responsibility or concern that we are down an unsustainable path. Maybe, I should take up learning Chinese? They may own this country soon and when they foreclose?

To a degree I wrote about some aspects of our pending decline: A National Disgrace II (http://srynas.blogspot.com/2009/09/national-disgrace-ii.html) and A National Disgrace (http://srynas.blogspot.com/2009/09/national-disgrace.html). I won't bore you with a longer (endless) list.

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 05:09 PM
The hole was dug by the Bush government turning public money into death and destruction to profit his militarist cronies. Their refusal to control the malpractices of the financial sector was pivotal in the collapse.

I doubt that Obama can fix it. You are probably right about the inevitable ruin but you are pointing the finger at the wrong man. Such a pity the Republicans were able to cheat their way back into office for Bush's second term.

I am probably pointing the finger at the wrong man, you are right. However, the point is that it's VERY disturbing to see the fake nature of the democrats now carrying on what Bush started, but covering it up until the curtain is inevitably unvealed or until they can't hide the lies anymore . But then again, if they told the truth, there would probably be war in our country, and they certainly don't want that! Anything to keep the power, right? :rolleyes:

David Eagar
12-11-2009, 05:15 PM
Actually, the coming "demise" of this country goes back to Reagan. Bush was just a shallow half-baked Reagan wannabee. Now we have a President who is an empty "image". Forbes has a really good article on the emptiness of Obama receiving the Noble Peace Prize (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1214/opinions-paul-johnson-current-events.html).

The "real" problem, as I see it, is that our corporate and political leaders (both parties), lack any sense of obligation for working for the benefit of the American people. All they seem to care about is getting elected, acting important, funding pork projects that we can't pay for. We have become an "entitlement society" without any sense of responsibility or concern that we are down an unsustainable path. Maybe, I should take up learning Chinese? They may own this country soon and when they foreclose?

To a degree I wrote about some aspects of our pending decline: A National Disgrace II (http://srynas.blogspot.com/2009/09/national-disgrace-ii.html) and A National Disgrace (http://srynas.blogspot.com/2009/09/national-disgrace.html). I won't bore you with a longer (endless) list.


Actually, the real problem, as in most counties, is that we vote in anybody who promises us the biggest tax cuts, whether they are affordable or not.

Very shortly, the US citizens will have to take on board that like all 'empires' of the past, they have fallen from grace and will become minor players

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 05:21 PM
Very shortly, the US citizens will have to take on board that like all 'empires' of the past, they have fallen from grace and will become minor players
does this mean I should consider moving out of the country? I have a long life to live, and I'd like to live it with a leader, if there is going to be one anymore. I personally think there will not be one. Everyone has WMD's, don't they? If that's the case, who wins? The one that promises to destroy the most?

David Eagar
12-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Don't know - ask the Poms, they have much experience in crumbling empires.

As for a long life, don't hold your breath - according to reliable sources, the world has to produce twice as much food as it does now by 2050.

Given about 60% of the world's population NOW doesn't have enough to eat, what's the chances of meeting this target????

I repeat, the easiest answer to all of this is to reduce the human population - starting with non-smokers who are obvious tax avoiders!!!!!

Steve R.
12-11-2009, 06:26 PM
Actually, the real problem, as in most counties, is that we vote in anybody who promises us the biggest tax cuts, whether they are affordable or not.

Very shortly, the US citizens will have to take on board that like all 'empires' of the past, they have fallen from grace and will become minor players

LOL :). You are correct. I am reminded of the Roman bread and circuses.

Dick7Access
12-11-2009, 07:30 PM
Adam,
I have to agree with you. What I don’t understand is why some people in this country cannot see how phony they are. For example, Nancy P. Claims to be a defender of union. Yet her and her husband own hotels and vineyards and will not allow unions anywhere near their business. She wants to limit the private jets of CEO, and yet she jets back and forth on Air Force jets at tax payers’ expense. Al Gore claim to want to reduce energy use yet his house use 10 times what mine does. Obama campaigned on no pork and he has as much pork as any other president. Harry R. claims he is for the people but he does everything behind closed doors. He says this ObamaCare is for the good of the people, but won’t give the people time to study it. If they would let me add one sentence to any of there ObamaCare bills I would grantee a 100% no vote. Here is the sentence. “All Senators, Representatives, President and Vice President would also have to be under the same plan.” If I criticize Obama I am a racist, but actually stupid has no color etc. Jimmy Carter.
To answer Rich at the same time, yes I am not fond of some off the things Bush did, but at least he wasn’t trying to lead us socialist, quite as fast. Please notice I added “quite as fast. There are some republicans that I am ashamed of also. Well I guess that is not fair, as they are actually Rinos.

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 07:36 PM
Dick,

if we are going socialist and heading downward, then how it benefits you depends what side of the fence you are on. If that's our route, I'm in pretty good shape. :D

Dick7Access
12-11-2009, 07:45 PM
Adam,
You are so right. I had a professor in college that his favorite expression was “It depends who’s ox is being gored” I am 22 years retired Navy have good medical, a nice little retirement, and a wonderful wife and ministry. I don’t want to lose any of it for anyone who breaks the law.
Dick S.

ajetrumpet
12-11-2009, 07:49 PM
Adam,
You are so right. I had a professor in college that his favorite expression was “It depends who’s ox is being gored” I am 22 years retired Navy have good medical, a nice little retirement, and a wonderful wife and ministry. I don’t want to lose any of it for anyone who breaks the law.
Dick S.

well I hope you don't. by the way, how was the navy? I've considered going in as an officer for quite sometime. But with the middle east in constant trouble, you never know where you'll end up. I think i'd be a pretty good political guru, but that requires no human feelings I'm afraid. I'm not that good at that portion. I went to see a recruiter one time here in Iowa and he had me take a test for the ASVAB to see how I might score. Took it and he said it was the highest he had seen since being a recruiter. True? Maybe, but then again he has to meet his quota or no bonus, right?

Dick7Access
12-11-2009, 08:17 PM
I had some good time and some not so good times in the Navy. I was in many years ago. In fact I participated in the Cuban blockade. I was enlisted. I went to college on the GI Bill. You can always tell when a recruiter is lying, his lips are moving. I preached in Iowa once. I was heading to Des Moines and blew a tire on my RV. It was when Firestone was having so much trouble with their tires. The church that I was at put 7 new (now-Firestone) tires on my RV for me. I like Iowa.

Rich
12-11-2009, 09:08 PM
does this mean I should consider moving out of the country?
Ye s

Pauldohert
12-14-2009, 03:32 AM
American jingoistic prejudice. A minor example of what is deeply sick with so many in the USA. The strength of the US lies in the obsessive self belief of its people. You have believed you own hype for far too long. The facade cannot be maintained indefinitely.

The economy was given a reprieve by the sale of toxic debt derivitaves across the globe. Don't expect to get away with this deceitful theft again.

Take a look at what has happened to the value of the Greenback in the past decade. You cannot spend trillions on wars while neglecting real development and expect to continue to be cutting edge in anything but war.

The clearest example of misplaced investment is General Motors. They had a cutting edge electric vehicle prototype in beta testing. These cars were recalled and destroyed. Instead they developed the military inspired Hummer and now the company is a good as dead. Would this have happened if the government had focussed on replacing oil instead of trying to dominate the Middle East in an expensive and futile effort to secure oil supplies?

Wake up America.

Whats the Aussie car industry doing - and whats the aussies policies on carbon emissions. Worse than the US!

Back to the wine - I saw a bottle of aussie reserve (ie some of the btter stuff) the label said it was good with a sausage caserole or minty lamb burger.

The problem with the strength of the aussie dollar - is that most aussie produce is bought cos its cheap - whether it be housing, coal, Timorese oil , wine etc

When the cheapness/value has gone - so has the reason to buy anything australian.

Rabbie
12-14-2009, 03:46 AM
I repeat, the easiest answer to all of this is to reduce the human population - starting with non-smokers who are obvious tax avoiders!!!!!It seems that smokers are doing a great job in killing themselves:D

David Eagar
12-14-2009, 03:53 AM
Whats the Aussie car industry doing - and whats the aussies policies on carbon emissions. Worse than the US!

Back to the wine - I saw a bottle of aussie reserve (ie some of the btter stuff) the label said it was good with a sausage caserole or minty lamb burger.

The problem with the strength of the aussie dollar - is that most aussie produce is bought cos its cheap - whether it be housing, coal, Timorese oil , wine etc

When the cheapness/value has gone - so has the reason to buy anything australian.

Yeah well, at least we don't have to print money to pay our way our way in the world

Our car industry did not need a government bail-out

Wine-wise, you have obviously never heard of Grange or any of the great Margaret River reds! Oh well, more for me

Pauldohert
12-14-2009, 04:09 AM
Yeah well, at least we don't have to print money to pay our way our way in the world

Our car industry did not need a government bail-out

Wine-wise, you have obviously never heard of Grange or any of the great Margaret River reds! Oh well, more for me

You see - your kidding yourself - on the fact that Australia pays its way in the world, look at stealing Timorese rescources, or its appaling record on Carbon emissions , or its lack of effort in Afganistan - and its clear that Australia is nothing more than a parasitic bludger.
The statement that your finances are in order just makes the above more offensive.

This delusion is futher manifested in the belief that Australia has a real car industry , or that aussie cheap plonk, is anything other than aussie cheap plonk.

David Eagar
12-14-2009, 04:42 AM
So, do I take it then that you wont be paying us a visit?
Our dissapointment will only be matched by our complete indifference

Pauldohert
12-14-2009, 06:21 AM
So, do I take it then that you wont be paying us a visit?
Our dissapointment will only be matched by our complete indifference

Nope - your wrong again - I'm over in Feb. I'm sure I'll have a lovely time - doesn't make australias international policies any better though.

Brianwarnock
12-14-2009, 06:30 AM
It should be hot in Feb don't forget your factor 50, especially if your youngun is with you.

Brian

Pauldohert
12-14-2009, 06:43 AM
It should be hot in Feb don't forget your factor 50, especially if your youngun is with you.

Brian

It was the heat that bothered her last time at 6 months old, had to use medicare to go see the doc about her eczema / heat rash.

Cheers

Friday
02-07-2010, 02:20 AM
John McCaine. His ideas are great for the people,

Yes, lying (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/02/john_mccain_contradicts_john_m.html) to the public is such a great thing.

Friday
02-07-2010, 02:42 AM
Adam,
I have to agree with you. What I don’t understand is why some people in this country cannot see how phony they are. For example, Nancy P. Claims to be a defender of union. Yet her and her husband own hotels and vineyards and will not allow unions anywhere near their business. She wants to limit the private jets of CEO, and yet she jets back and forth on Air Force jets at tax payers’ expense. Al Gore claim to want to reduce energy use yet his house use 10 times what mine does. Obama campaigned on no pork and he has as much pork as any other president. Harry R. claims he is for the people but he does everything behind closed doors. He says this ObamaCare is for the good of the people, but won’t give the people time to study it. If they would let me add one sentence to any of there ObamaCare bills I would grantee a 100% no vote. Here is the sentence. “All Senators, Representatives, President and Vice President would also have to be under the same plan.” If I criticize Obama I am a racist, but actually stupid has no color etc. Jimmy Carter.
To answer Rich at the same time, yes I am not fond of some off the things Bush did, but at least he wasn’t trying to lead us socialist, quite as fast. Please notice I added “quite as fast. There are some republicans that I am ashamed of also. Well I guess that is not fair, as they are actually Rinos.


I guess it would be fair to say you are not a Democrat, eh? Let me ask you a question. Do you feel that a person's income level should have a damn thing to do with the level of health care they get? You are sitting pretty there with your medical plan from the Navy. And you have the nerve to suggest you are a minister? All of the complaints you have against the Dems, let me mention one thing that tops all of that: George W Bush took us to war based on lies that he and his lackey's invented. War! It's now a proven fact. How many thousands have perished in Iraq because of this dimwit. And the ignorant sonsabitches keep defending him. You people say you are ashamed of your government? Where were you when Bush was perpetuating this bullsh*t? You think this is the kind of sh*t that makes America great? JHFC, I can't believe there are that many people in this country that are this ignorant. And all you can find to whine about is what the current Dems are doing? Whine about the health care fiasco? You probably don't believe in global climate change either, do you? You probably think our ancestors ran with the dinosaurs.

I give up.

This country is doomed.

georgedwilkinson
02-07-2010, 04:28 AM
Again, we've proven it's Bush's fault!

Rich
02-07-2010, 05:52 AM
Again, we've proven it's Bush's fault!
Yep! thankfully you're beggining to see sense:eek:

ajetrumpet
02-07-2010, 09:45 AM
Yes, lying (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/02/john_mccain_contradicts_john_m.html) to the public is such a great thing.

I'm sorry Friday, I have come to realize that politicians have to lie to the public. It's inevitable. I have also come to realize that positions where the job description says simply "keep my job", also require the ability to lie. Because politicians fall into that category and spend every waking moment trying to keep their job, thus they have to lie. So I don't blame em!

Steve R.
02-07-2010, 11:15 AM
Here is a tidbit my daughter sent.

A Joke.... or something:
------------------------------------------------------
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their
new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Tyler), a Scottish
history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this
to (unverified) say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000
years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage"

Maybe Igor Panarin (http://www.google.com/search?q=igor+panarin+the+crash+of+america&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___US350) isn't all that crazy:"As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html)"

Will the UK re-adopt us?

Thales750
02-07-2010, 08:19 PM
Actually, the real problem, as in most counties, is that we vote in anybody who promises us the biggest tax cuts, whether they are affordable or not.

Very shortly, the US citizens will have to take on board that like all 'empires' of the past, they have fallen from grace and will become minor players

Really, because I would hardly consider Rome or Great Britain "minor" players.

For nearly 2000 year after the fall Rome still has influence in the lives of over a billion people.

And Great Britain stills has 007.

Friday
02-07-2010, 08:54 PM
I'm sorry Friday, I have come to realize that politicians have to lie to the public. It's inevitable. I have also come to realize that positions where the job description says simply "keep my job", also require the ability to lie. Because politicians fall into that category and spend every waking moment trying to keep their job, thus they have to lie. So I don't blame em!

I won't argue with that. That's about all we have in Washington anymore. :(

georgedwilkinson
02-07-2010, 09:36 PM
Here is a tidbit my daughter sent.



Maybe Igor Panarin (http://www.google.com/search?q=igor+panarin+the+crash+of+america&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___US350) isn't all that crazy:"As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html)"

Will the UK re-adopt us?

That's some scary stuff. I found this following your clues:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1272.htm

It would seem to say that Rich is right (if there's any truth to it). Funny thing is, it does blame Bush (at least his grand-father). LOL

Rich
02-07-2010, 09:52 PM
Will the UK re-adopt us?
Hell no! too many Republicans

Friday
02-08-2010, 12:00 AM
That's some scary stuff. I found this following your clues: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1272.htm It would seem to say that Rich is right (if there's any truth to it). Funny thing is, it does blame Bush (at least his grand-father). LOL

Looks like I get to be a Canadian. :D