how do they make you feel? i only have to watch one and i start feeling like i'm lying to myself even though i'm just listening to another person.

They rank up there with award ceremony speeches. There are only so many ways you can trot out the same old meaningless cliches. They're white noise, essentially.

They rank up there with award ceremony speeches. There are only so many ways you can trot out the same old meaningless cliches. They're white noise, essentially.

listened to joe biden the other day at a rally in iowa. couldn't take it for very long until i felt lower than sea level. :rolleyes:

Think about it, every politician comes out with the same general things with a few more specific ones, based on the groups they're most trying to suck up to.

The average person either doesn't care or has learned to ignore it. Those who have decided in advance that they will like/dislike the politician in question will somehow distinguish between them and swear blindly that person A is a man of hour while person B is a liar and doomed to fail.

The speech writers don't even need to make an effort now, as there's nothing that hasn't already been said.

If you want to experience a strange feeling over political clout just watch a political speach in a language that you do not understand - you start to immediately wonder who the crazy person is behind the podium and who are the fools who are cheering the person on...

To paraphrase a line from the film "Inherit the Wind":

An old politician with new tricks or a new politician with old tricks.

Always remember, the best response to the question "Why would I lie to you?" is "Why would you tell me the truth?"

I went to Wal-Mart the other day and saw someone that couldn't distinguish between lies and the truth when spoken to her. Almost thought about telling her to ditch her TV set, but I held myself back.

Anyway, the point is that it mad me sad. Didn't feel better 'til I got back home

I went to Wal-Mart the other day and saw someone that couldn't distinguish between lies and the truth when spoken to her. Almost thought about telling her to ditch her TV set, but I held myself back.

Anyway, the point is that it mad me sad. Didn't feel better 'til I got back home
...and? You can't leave it there. What televisual lies were taking place?

...and? You can't leave it there. What televisual lies were taking place?Anything Alc. Specifically, I was thinking about the last speech that biden gave, but that's just one piece of BS out of hundreds.

the other thing I thought of was an interview that the CEO of Wal-Mart gave when he said, "we deeply care about our employees". Make me even more sad if that woman watched that interview and believed it.

Aren't we a cynical bunch. What are the politicians supposed to say? "Hey guys, life sucks, we're doing horrible as a country at the moment and there's no end in sight. We're trying some stuff but we don't have any real idea if it will work. I'll let you know later as I hear stuff."

The fact of the matter is that most politicians really do want to help the people they represent, its just that their view of helping can be radically different from any guy on the street.

I'd love to see a push to elect poor or middle-class people. People who are willing to work hard but aren't born into rich families where everything is given to them. One of the biggest problems IMO is that your average congressman is a millionaire or close to it and they are representing the average joe whom they really can't relate to.

Overall, I think political speeches have the ability to inspire if they are done right. I think they are able to motivate us to do more, be more charitable, be more willing to help out, and to bring us together as a country. That sentiment is short-lived though as the feeling wanes away quickly unless you can capture it.

What are the politicians supposed to say? "Hey guys, life sucks, we're doing horrible as a country at the moment and there's no end in sight. We're trying some stuff but we don't have any real idea if it will work. I'll let you know later as I hear stuff."Adam Cameron, that is JUST what this and every other country needs. Every hopeless idiot on this planet would walk around with their jaws to the ground. But then again, on the flip side, I'm sure the person that gave the speech would end up dead. Question is...who would kill em? The helpless idiot or the lying politician that has just been exposed?

how do they make you feel? i only have to watch one and i start feeling like i'm lying to myself even though i'm just listening to another person.

Are you a woman?

Adam Cameron, that is JUST what this and every other country needs. Every hopeless idiot on this planet would walk around with their jaws to the ground. But then again, on the flip side, I'm sure the person that gave the speech would end up dead. Question is...who would kill em? The helpless idiot or the lying politician that has just been exposed?
Wrong; that is not what people need.

People need to learn to be thankful for what they have, and focus more on what they can do to help, instead of relying on government.

Wrong; that is not what people need.

People need to learn to be thankful for what they have, and focus more on what they can do to help, instead of relying on government.

Ask not what your bankers can do for you - ask what you can do for your bankers.


I think we are all a bit tired of that idea.

Ask not what your bankers can do for you - ask what you can do for your bankers.


I think we are all a bit tired of that idea.
Oh I'm sorry did I leave out the second part?

Death to all the money lenders.

Oh I'm sorry did I leave out the second part?

Death to all the money lenders.

I am awaiting the BNP to come out with that - they will have a landslide.

People need to learn to be thankful for what they have, and focus more on what they can do to help, instead of relying on government.What planet are you from dude? Good luck with that dream.

What planet are you from dude? Good luck with that dream.

What a dream it is though.... I say keep it Thales! :)

What a dream it is though.... I say keep it Thales! :)I agree too Kryst, but I also would add: Are you a woman? :rolleyes:

I agree too Kryst, but I also would add: Are you a woman? :rolleyes:

If my Shera picture does not clue you into that..... then...

YES!!! Decidedly so! :D:p

Death to all the money lenders.
But money lenders only exist because some people want to borrow money. Easy to blame everything on them but it takes two to tango

If my Shera picture does not clue you into that..... then...

YES!!! Decidedly so! :D:p

Laughing....KRYST - the bold was aimed at THALES. not you honey. ;)

Laughing....KRYST - the bold was aimed at THALES. not you honey. ;)

Ahhhh, I see. <grin>

But money lenders only exist because some people want to borrow money. Easy to blame everything on them but it takes two to tango
It would have been interesting to hear people's views two or three years ago, if the lenders had said 'No, you can't have any money, we can see problems coming in a little while'. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

But money lenders only exist because some people want to borrow money. Easy to blame everything on them but it takes two to tango
I don't disagree with that.

But when the financial institution are supported by the tax payers they should be required to exercise a degree of fiduciary responsibility to the people that provide them with capital.

Unfortunately most of the debt is ultimately owed to the Chinese and the Saudis.

And for that; shame on us.

But that’s a different topic all together.

Laughing....KRYST - the bold was aimed at THALES. not you honey. ;)


I asked if you were a woman because your reaction to being lied to by the politicians has a feminine bias.

Most men react in anger to politicians lying and cheating. Mostly men don’t feel “dirty” from other people’s actions. That of course, is just my take on it.

So if you’re a woman, then great, but if you are, then why put a male picture up as an avatar?

If you’re not; I find it rare to see a male reaction similar to yours.

Mostly men don’t feel “dirty” from other people’s actions.
Depends on the actions and if they're done right ;)

If you’re not; I find it rare to see a male reaction similar to yours.why get mad about it? that's pointless. power corrupts. simple. it makes me feel dirty because I am NOT corrupt. plain and simple.

as for the rest of your post, I think I'll just throw it out the window.

why get mad about it? that's pointless. power corrupts. simple. it makes me feel dirty because I am NOT corrupt. plain and simple.

as for the rest of your post, I think I'll just throw it out the window.

Dirty from a mans point of view implies transferred guilt. Dirty from a woman's, denotes emotion override, like repulsion, etc. Repulsion is not typical male overreaction.

That's all I'm saying I am not criticizing you. You just seem like a woman pretending to be a man.

I'm sure I'm wrong, I often am.

It would have been interesting to hear people's views two or three years ago, if the lenders had said 'No, you can't have any money, we can see problems coming in a little while'. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't.


No they were not.
They had to be sensible , responsible and diligent, whilst taking their profits, thats all.

No they were not.
They had to be sensible , responsible and diligent, whilst taking their profits, thats all.
Yup Paul is right.

However, on a more sinister note; the large institutions knew that the governments around the world would never let them fail.

Yup Paul is right.

However, on a more sinister note; the large institutions knew that the governments around the world would never let them fail.
Weren't Lehmann Brothers big enough then:confused:

I'm sure I'm wrong, I often am.Well, lets see here...
if often = 1 or often = > 1 then
Thales = wrong
end ifand on a side note, if ($aje == "first initial" . "middle initial" . "last initial") {
$trumpet = "instrument I play"; }
else
{ "I don't know what I'm talking about"; }

Well, lets see here...
if often = 1 or often = > 1 then
Thales = wrong
end ifand on a side note, if ($aje == "first initial" . "middle initial" . "last initial") {
$trumpet = "instrument I play"; }
else
{ "I don't know what I'm talking about"; }

You have proven beyond all of my arguments that right wingers take information out of context and rearrange it to fit their limited understanding.

Bravo.