Over Christmas, a terrorist attempted to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

It seems his bomb didn't quite work and all he succeeded in doing is burning off his testicles.

The Americans have been falling over themselves with increased security at the airports and all.

What the Americans should do is buy full page ads in every Arab newspaper pointing out that the terrorist organizations gave this guy a faulty bomb and he will be going through the rest of his life with no "manhood".

The result would be the end of suicide bombers. Males anyway.

Over Christmas, a terrorist attempted to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

It seems his bomb didn't quite work and all he succeeded in doing is burning off his testicles.

The Americans have been falling over themselves with increased security at the airports and all.

What the Americans should do is buy full page ads in every Arab newspaper pointing out that the terrorist organizations gave this guy a faulty bomb and he will be going through the rest of his life with no "manhood".

The result would be the end of suicide bombers. Males anyway.

I don't know if it is true but I have read a few times that the large majority of suicide bombers do it because of what will be done to their families or what will be done to them in the way of extreme torture. As a reward they have dugs and women the night before.

Yes, that's the sad nature behind these suicide bombers. While many of them are brainwashed enough in their religion to believe that it's their calling, some of them are forced into it for fear of retaliation.

Moved to politics because there is no way this is going to stay the tongue in cheek humor it was intended.

Moved to politics because there is no way this is going to stay the tongue in cheek humor it was intended.
Why not headmaster?

People will no doubt winge their little heads off at airports because they are delayed due to the extra security checks, but it is in their best interest, would they rather be late on the plane or dead... mmm.. I know which one i'd choose.

People are not concerned about their safety as much as they are concerned about getting somewhere fast and cheap. People in North America still insist on flying short distances inspite of the extra time to go through security checks... doing the math in a lot of cases taking the train is less stress and overall faster for some short and medium hauls - some of the short trips can be accomplished by bus quicker...

Taking out so many people with a single blast on an aircraft does not make mathamatical sense - wouldnt one of the terrorists have a better body count if they detonated inside a busy terminal. Seeing as that would also be before security screening they would not have to deminish the payload in order to worry about getting through the sweeps scans and patdowns.
Anyhow if suicide bombing is the ideal way of dieing then why dont these fanatical leaders lead by example?

People will no doubt winge their little heads off at airports because they are delayed due to the extra security checks, but it is in their best interest, would they rather be late on the plane or dead... mmm.. I know which one i'd choose.

I realized shortly after 9/11 that the extra security is useless. It is only there to make us feel safer. The Northwest terrorist proves that it's very easy to beat. If his organization knew how to make a bomb properly, there would be one hundred or so dead people.

All the security has done is inconvenience the hell out of people and enpower a bunch of Hitlers-in-training wearing security uniforms.

I don't fly. Thats it. I just don't fly. All the hassle is just not worth it. If I can't get there by train or by car, I don't need to go. I used to go to the Carribbean for a week each winter. I now go to Florida for two weeks and take the train. With all the hustle and bustle in the modern world, I had forgotten how relaxing a train trip can be.

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I don't fly. Thats it. I just don't fly. All the hassle is just not worth it. If I can't get there by train or by car, I don't need to go. I used to go to the Carribbean for a week each winter. I now go to Florida for two weeks and take the train. With all the hustle and bustle in the modern world, I had forgotten how relaxing a train trip can be.
Isn't it a long trip?

Taking out so many people with a single blast on an aircraft does not make mathamatical sense - wouldnt one of the terrorists have a better body count if they detonated inside a busy terminal.

Given the relativley small amount of explosive one terrorist can carry.......not even close.

Carry? Probably! I alwasy see a lot fo people in the terminals with a heck of a lot of luggage on the unsecured side. If he had one of those carts with some large Samsonites stuffed full that would be one heck of a bang :eek:
Might not create as much casualties as it would making all of this security measures have a realistic rethink... some of the travelling public would not be so sure about the false sense of safety either.

Given the relativley small amount of explosive one terrorist can carry.......not even close.

If a terrorist organisation really wants to create chaos they should bomb outside the security checks in the check-in area. They can then bring in as much explosive as they want with no checks. Frightening isn't it?

Isn't it a long trip?

2 days and a bit. I always book at sleeper compartment.

I've noticed a lot of people must be doing the same thing as the train service is much better than it was when I first started in 2003. There are also a lot more compartment cars on the train then there were back then as well.

People will no doubt winge their little heads off at airports because they are delayed due to the extra security checks, but it is in their best interest, would they rather be late on the plane or dead... mmm.. I know which one i'd choose.

Scott, lets look at what happened:

- the terrorist's father contacted several embassies (including the US) to inform them that his son was unbalanced and may do somthing like this
- despite the above, the terrorist was not placed on any watch or no-fly lists
- the terrorist went through enhanced security in Amsterdam and wasn't intercepted
- the terrorist was flying from Amsterdam to Detroit and had no luggage (as sure tip off that something was wrong).

2 days and a bit. I always book at sleeper compartment.

I've noticed a lot of people must be doing the same thing as the train service is much better than it was when I first started in 2003. There are also a lot more compartment cars on the train then there were back then as well.
There's no train from here to the Canadian Rockies:(

I know a lot of people who are taking train and bus more then flying, especially for business. You can get a lot of work done face to face on the train with clients and not be interrupted or bothered by other things.
Driving down to Florida is very nice also if you like the open road for about 2000k each way. Just DO NOT take the I75 unless you want to see more cities upon cities.
Texas is also a very nice place to visit if you like golf the courses neat the gulf coast will help you LOVE the game.

2 days and a bit. I always book at sleeper compartment.

I've noticed a lot of people must be doing the same thing as the train service is much better than it was when I first started in 2003. There are also a lot more compartment cars on the train then there were back then as well.

Have to wonder with all of those 'red flags' what their criteria is to determine what is a hoax and what is a realistic warning :eek:
Scott, lets look at what happened:
- the terrorist's father contacted several embassies (including the US) to inform them that his son was unbalanced and may do somthing like this
- despite the above, the terrorist was not placed on any watch or no-fly lists
- the terrorist went through enhanced security in Amsterdam and wasn't intercepted
- the terrorist was flying from Amsterdam to Detroit and had no luggage (as sure tip off that something was wrong).

Have to wonder with all of those 'red flags' what their criteria is to determine what is a hoax and what is a realistic warning :eek:

speaking of red flags, the IRS says that you shouldn't round your income to the nearest ten thousand dollar, or you have the chance of being audited. :rolleyes:

Why not headmaster?

It's been moved because it's a display of power. It's like Superman, but in this case though it's only Vass.

Col

speaking of red flags, the IRS says that you shouldn't round your income to the nearest ten thousand dollar, or you have the chance of being audited. :rolleyes:

Capital "S" at the start please, and an "s" after the word dollar, as it's plural.

Thank you.

Col

Oh, and technically IRS should be I.R.S. as I'm guessing they're abbreviations for something.

Capital "S" at the start please, and an "s" after the word dollar, as it's plural.

Thank you.

Col

Oh, and technically IRS should be I.R.S. as I'm guessing they're abbreviations for something.dead i mEnTon TaT yuO CoUd Kisss meY A$$ CoLIn?

we have revenue canada, there not so agressive as the IRS so there is less fear of audits. we do not follow the same system of taxation as the USA, we do not round our income but report actual figures. still if your name gets pulled from the hat you need to come up with receipts and documentation to back you up.

still if your name gets pulled from the hat you need to come up with receipts and documentation to back you up.

they pull names from a hat? holy cow! what about someone that earned 15,000 dollars that year? are they still in the running for an audit? under OUR administration, they'd be first on the freakin' audit list! :rolleyes:

they pull names from a hat? holy cow! what about someone that earned 15,000 dollars that year? are they still in the running for an audit? under OUR administration, they'd be first on the freakin' audit list! :rolleyes:

The Canadian Revenue Agency does do random audits on people. I think the process is a little more sophisticated than pulling names from a hat as there are certain "red flags" that the computer pulls up.

Back in the 1980's I was audited twice. At the time my job called for me to pay my own expenses which I deducted (as allowed). On both occasions I went into the tax office at 9 AM and I was out by 9:30. I had the receipts and I also had a bookkeeper doing my expense reports (which is also deductable).

Tip on tax audits, always make it the examiner's first appointment of the day. They are always running late after about 11 AM.

Capital "S" at the start please, and an "s" after the word dollar, as it's plural.

Thank you.

Col

Oh, and technically IRS should be I.R.S. as I'm guessing they're abbreviations for something.

While we're on the subject of headmasters...
I thought Colin made a resolution for New Years he wouldn't do this anymore :D

I thought Colin made a resolution for New Years he wouldn't do this anymore :D
You must have had too much drink:p

Capital "S" at the start please, and an "s" after the word dollar, as it's plural.

Thank you.

Col

Oh, and technically IRS should be I.R.S. as I'm guessing they're abbreviations for something.

It'll be ok Col,
Poor Col; he’s reverting back to his childhood in the 1920s. I’m sorry I didn't see the pattern earlier.

Col, in the United States, we use abbreviations as proper names, I'm sure you just forgot, but proper names are subject to the spelling of the named.

The process is a bit more involved then pulling a name from a hat, however, it definitely needs a rethink as the current checks and balance system does not flush out some of the investment scams. The legacy of Charles Ponzi rears its ugly head countless times as not only are people drawn into such schemes but they are also taxed on profits from the scams. Sadly the long and often delayed process to reclaim the overpaid taxes further frustrates the victims. Amazingly, even after 90 years, people are still duped by a similar scheme which came to light in 1920.


The irony of Coline’s signature is that he makes promises he rarely keeps such as the one where he will be posting and signing in less.

While we're on the subject of headmasters...
I thought Colin made a resolution for New Years he wouldn't do this anymore :D

Col, in the United States, we use abbreviations as proper names,

That's because you're too bloody lazy

That's because you're too bloody lazy

Yes lazy Americans. We're known for that.

Col, in the United States, we use abbreviations as proper names, I'm sure you just forgot, but proper names are subject to the spelling of the named.

So is IRS (without full stops) a proper name?

Col

Yes lazy Americans. We're known for that.

American people are not lazy, they just focus on the USA and have little or no knowlege of anything outside it's borders.

The galling bit is when these no-hopers try to advise on international matters.

Col

I'm still trying to figure out what happened on the 9th of November:confused:

That's because you're too bloody lazy

http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=homepage&scope=all&q=ira&Search=Search

Col, in the United States, we use abbreviations as proper names, I'm sure you just forgot, but proper names are subject to the spelling of the named.

They do in the UK as well. Colin is just talking out of his b.u.t.t

I don't know if it is true but I have read a few times that the large majority of suicide bombers do it because of what will be done to their families or what will be done to them in the way of extreme torture. As a reward they have dugs and women the night before.

Why would you say large majority?

I realized shortly after 9/11 that the extra security is useless. It is only there to make us feel safer. The Northwest terrorist proves that it's very easy to beat. If his organization knew how to make a bomb properly, there would be one hundred or so dead people.

All the security has done is inconvenience the hell out of people and enpower a bunch of Hitlers-in-training wearing security uniforms.

I don't fly. Thats it. I just don't fly. All the hassle is just not worth it. If I can't get there by train or by car, I don't need to go. I used to go to the Carribbean for a week each winter. I now go to Florida for two weeks and take the train. With all the hustle and bustle in the modern world, I had forgotten how relaxing a train trip can be.

Do you have evidence to support that airport security is "useless"? For example can you quote statistics on how many potential threats have been thwarted in the last few years?

So is IRS (without full stops) a proper name?

Col

In the same way that IBM, FBI,CIA,TSA,GM...is.

Do you have evidence to support that airport security is "useless"? For example can you quote statistics on how many potential threats have been thwarted in the last few years?

I refer you to post #1 in this thread.

Do I have any proof. Of course not. These numbers are not released. It's just one man's opinion based on observations at the airports (which I don't visit anymore) and based on the failures that come to light.

American people are not lazy, they just focus on the USA and have little or no knowlege of anything outside it's borders.

The galling bit is when these no-hopers try to advise on international matters.

Col

I'm certain you meant to say U. S. A. :D

Without getting into personalities, one of the great mysteries of the Afghan and Iraq wars is why didn't the U.S. and U.K. do their homework before invading.

Without making any ethnic slurs (because this is the way things are done in this part of the world) why didn't the Western governments create a pool of about $10 Billion and simply bribe Sadam and the Taliban?

It would go somthing like this:
If you leave the country and don't come back for 10 years and don't reside in a country that borders Afghanistan or Iraq, we'll pay you a salary of $1Million a year for the next 10 years.

I'm certain most of the Taliban and Sadam's government would have jumped at it.

I believe UK and US were doing their homework while they were training the taliban in counteroffensive strategy when Russia invaded their country. Once the taliban became too strong their attempts to suppress then with a western backed and chosen government became the catalyst to the subsequent hostilities against the countries who trained their freedom fighters. And suddenly the western world were informed to view these people as terrorists.
Best cure for Afghanistan would be to load up sole CL415s with glyphosate, dump it on the opium poppy fields and give the farmers some Roundup-ready crops. The incapability to generate revenue will stem the funds to back their weaponry.

Punctuation within initialisms fell from common use a long time ago. Pretty pointless to continue to appease those who are resisting progress and development. Let the hasbeens whine if they refuse to admit that the year is 2010.

I'm certain you meant to say U. S. A. :D

Without getting into personalities, one of the great mysteries of the Afghan and Iraq wars is why didn't the U.S. and U.K. do their homework before invading.

Without making any ethnic slurs (because this is the way things are done in this part of the world) why didn't the Western governments create a pool of about $10 Billion and simply bribe Sadam and the Taliban?

It would go somthing like this:
If you leave the country and don't come back for 10 years and don't reside in a country that borders Afghanistan or Iraq, we'll pay you a salary of $1Million a year for the next 10 years.

I'm certain most of the Taliban and Sadam's government would have jumped at it.

http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=homepage&scope=all&q=ira&Search=Search
Eh :confused:

They do in the UK as well. Colin is just talking out of his b.u.t.t

I understand it now.

I was slightly confused by Josephine when he referred to "proper names". I thought he meant names of people, not organisations.

I know that in America people do have wierd names. Like the name "Randy" - in the UK you would be best advised not to approach a girl and say "Hi, I'm Randy".

Col

Over Christmas, a terrorist attempted to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

It seems his bomb didn't quite work and all he succeeded in doing is burning off his testicles.



Goodness gracious.

I understand it now.

I was slightly confused by Josephine when he referred to "proper names". I thought he meant names of people, not organisations.

I know that in America people do have wierd names. Like the name "Randy" - in the UK you would be best advised not to approach a girl and say "Hi, I'm Randy".

Col

On this side, if your lady friend is late, don't tell her you're going to "knock her up".

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Punctuation within initialisms fell from common use a long time ago. Pretty pointless to continue to appease those who are resisting progress and development. Let the hasbeens whine if they refuse to admit that the year is 2010.
You're getting confused between Americanism and progress:rolleyes:

Like the name "Randy" - in the UK you would be best advised not to approach a girl and say "Hi, I'm Randy".

Sounds like it could open up some new and interesting possibilities.

I know that in America people do have wierd names. Like the name "Randy" - in the UK you would be best advised not to approach a girl and say "Hi, I'm Randy".

Col

Just for clarity - its even less advisable with a man.

People are not concerned about their safety as much as they are concerned about getting somewhere fast and cheap.

Not true all the time. I happily sat through extra TSA searching in line to board my flight from Chicago to Houston. Granted I didn't get search, but the line was still held up....

Not true all the time. I happily sat through extra TSA searching in line to board my flight from Chicago to Houston. Granted I didn't get search, but the line was still held up....
I was flying from the UK to Canada, via the US, some time ago. I forget which particular event had just happened, but the security delays for the connecting flight were far worse than normal.

There was a television crew from some US station at Newark airport and I watched the presenter and other members of the background team spend twenty minutes frantically searching for somebody who'd rant about how they hated being delayed and it was all for nothing and they'd rather take their chances, etc. They found no end of people who - as you said - were happily sitting through the delay, and more than a few who were unhappy, but saw the reasoning behind it. It took them a long, long time to find someone with the opposite view.

I was flying from the UK to Canada, via the US, some time ago. I forget which particular event had just happened, but the security delays for the connecting flight were far worse than normal.

There was a television crew from some US station at Newark airport and I watched the presenter and other members of the background team spend twenty minutes frantically searching for somebody who'd rant about how they hated being delayed and it was all for nothing and they'd rather take their chances, etc. They found no end of people who - as you said - were happily sitting through the delay, and more than a few who were unhappy, but saw the reasoning behind it. It took them a long, long time to find someone with the opposite view.

That is funny... Just one more reason I don't trust the media... :p

Not so many people are as patient and understanding as you are, I can endure the patdowns and wanding and imaging for these checks but I have noticed a lot of impatient people on both sides of the security line.
The security checks are not very thorough as one would be lead to believe and statistics are skewed because for security issues. I know that sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory. However if you ever fly into Israel via EL-AL you would experience an actual secure consumer flight and not just the superficial screening prior ot flight departure.

Not true all the time. I happily sat through extra TSA searching in line to board my flight from Chicago to Houston. Granted I didn't get search, but the line was still held up....

Not so many people are as patient and understanding as you are, I can endure the patdowns and wanding and imaging for these checks but I have noticed a lot of impatient people on both sides of the security line.
The security checks are not very thorough as one would be lead to believe and statistics are skewed because for security issues. I know that sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory. However if you ever fly into Israel via EL-AL you would experience an actual secure consumer flight and not just the superficial screening prior ot flight departure.

Yeah, it didn't seem very thorough to me. I flew Southwest, they only checked people in the A boarding group (a group of 60 people), so B and C boarding groups (120 people total for both groups) didn't get checked at all, then it was only like 3 or 4 people.... "randomly" chosen, which I don't know how that is done, or how random it actually is. Given that terrorist whose bomb failed to work, it does make me wonder how effective our security measures in general work. Do they really need to make me put my lipgloss in a ziplock baggy? :rolleyes:

Is it only flights to the US that are having the extra security checks or is it across the board?

I know a lot of people in the UK are against profiling as a security option, Human Rights, Discriminination etc etc, but Jeremy Clarkson summed it up perfectly in the weekend papers when he asked,
'What is the point of security scanning June Whitfield, (for our Across the Pond friends, she is a long established and elderly UK actress), she is clearly not going to blow up a plane, as are the family with young children, clearly scurrying through departure shouting at the kids to keep them in line.'

I think profiling, if it isn't already done, should be, but should be done with tact and decorum.

Exactly my point - if the lipgloss was anything BUT lipgloss would the zippy bag make it less of a risk?

Yeah, it didn't seem very thorough to me. I flew Southwest, they only checked people in the A boarding group (a group of 60 people), so B and C boarding groups (120 people total for both groups) didn't get checked at all, then it was only like 3 or 4 people.... "randomly" chosen, which I don't know how that is done, or how random it actually is. Given that terrorist whose bomb failed to work, it does make me wonder how effective our security measures in general work. Do they really need to make me put my lipgloss in a ziplock baggy? :rolleyes:

Also the profiling - sorry if you are chosen you are chosen and you will be searched and that is final. If it is all about prejudice then hire a bunch of persons who fit the description of persons who feel prejudiced against and have them search the target groups. If there is nothing to hide then just take it and get on your way.
The Israelis know that there is no 'model' for a terrorist or a security person, you have no idea on the plane which 5-10% of the persons are the security personel. The granny beside you could be packing the Uzi or the person who looks like a 16 year old exhange student could be the one with the Glock, interdispersed in the passengers. But they are a lot better trained then the rent-a-cop you get patted down by in the terminal and better equipped then the Air Marshals.

Is it only flights to the US that are having the extra security checks or is it across the board?

I know a lot of people in the UK are against profiling as a security option, Human Rights, Discriminination etc etc, but Jeremy Clarkson summed it up perfectly in the weekend papers when he asked,
'What is the point of security scanning June Whitfield, (for our Across the Pond friends, she is a long established and elderly UK actress), she is clearly not going to blow up a plane, as are the family with young children, clearly scurrying through departure shouting at the kids to keep them in line.'

I think profiling, if it isn't already done, should be, but should be done with tact and decorum.

'What is the point of security scanning June Whitfield, (for our Across the Pond friends, she is a long established and elderly UK actress), she is clearly not going to blow up a plane, as are the family with young children, clearly scurrying through departure shouting at the kids to keep them in line.'



Each time I go through UK security, I'm asked something along the lines of whether 'all my bags have been with me at all times'. I think this gives a fairly obvious answer to Mr Clarkson's question.

Each time I go through UK security, I'm asked something along the lines of whether 'all my bags have been with me at all times'. I think this gives a fairly obvious answer to Mr Clarkson's question.

Maybe the workers have been trained to read people, so they can tell if people are lying.... :p Like in the TV show "Lie to Me"

Each time I go through UK security, I'm asked something along the lines of whether 'all my bags have been with me at all times'. I think this gives a fairly obvious answer to Mr Clarkson's question.

The article was specifically referring to the need to Body Scan, all luggage needs to be scanned exactly for the reason you have mentioned.

Should you Body Scan a young child, and expectant mother, a well respected English Actress...etc etc

Or should you only be Body Scanning the individual with none or little luggage of an Asian, Middle East or African descendance, I am not discriminating against these races, but the only people so far who have been identified and / or caught or perpetrated these acts have been from this descendancy.

BRUSSELS – European nations were sharply divided Thursday over the need to install full-body scanners at European airports, with some EU members playing down the need for beefed-up security measures.
Italy on Thursday joined the United States, Britain and the Netherlands as nations who have announced plans to install the scanners following a Nigerian man's reported attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner flying from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day.
Washington is seeking enhanced security measures on all trans-Atlantic flights heading for the United States. That's a huge task, however, since European airports carry thousands of passengers on over 800 flights a day across the lucrative North Atlantic route.
But as EU aviation security experts met Thursday on the subject of scanners, Belgium's secretary of state for transport, Etiennne Schouppe, described such enhanced measures as "excessive," saying security requirements at European airports are already "strict enough."


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How do you know they have little or no checked luggage? With a majority of airlines still struggling with misdirected checked in luggage how would someone ever be able to say for certain if any of these persons have or did not have a bag or two?
Perhaps the next terrorist will be someone who looks like a prime example of the aryan race, 18-25 years of age with 10 kilos of explosive strategically strapped to them to resemble an expectant young mommy... dont frisk her or scan her and she claims that is alergic to dogs so keep the sniffers away...

The article was specifically referring to the need to Body Scan, all luggage needs to be scanned exactly for the reason you have mentioned.

Should you Body Scan a young child, and expectant mother, a well respected English Actress...etc etc

Or should you only be Body Scanning the individual with none or little luggage of an Asian, Middle East or African descendance, I am not discriminating against these races, but the only people so far who have been identified and / or caught or perpetrated these acts have been from this descendancy.

How do you know they have little or no checked luggage? With a majority of airlines still struggling with misdirected checked in luggage how would someone ever be able to say for certain if any of these persons have or did not have a bag or two?
Perhaps the next terrorist will be someone who looks like a prime example of the aryan race, 18-25 years of age with 10 kilos of explosive strategically strapped to them to resemble an expectant young mommy... dont frisk her or scan her and she claims that is alergic to dogs so keep the sniffers away...

We could all quit flying.
There will always be a balance. The pendulum swings from more, to less, security depending on the length of the public memory.

The article was specifically referring to the need to Body Scan, all luggage needs to be scanned exactly for the reason you have mentioned.

Should you Body Scan a young child, and expectant mother, a well respected English Actress...etc etc

Or should you only be Body Scanning the individual with none or little luggage of an Asian, Middle East or African descendance, I am not discriminating against these races, but the only people so far who have been identified and / or caught or perpetrated these acts have been from this descendancy.

It's about securing your screening process.

If you publicize a criteria for not getting checked out, you give terrorists info to exploit. Don't give them this info, ie everyone may get checked out, the terrorist has nothing to work on.

I'm not allowed to publish the reasons why a credit card declined, on a failure page, on the websites I build for the same reasons.

I went through one of these body scanners last year in Atlanta. It reminded me of that bit in Flash Gordon where he gets gassed. :p

I'm not allowed to publish the reasons why a credit card declined.

Now that bugs the hell out of me when that happens, as everybody looks at you as if you are some kind of criminal.

When 9 times out of 10 the machine is at fault, surely when this is the reason that this can be communicated to the store so they can inform the customer that it is the machine at fault not them..

Most people hate to be behind me in queues. When my bill is totalled and the cashier says $17.58 and then I hand over $20.00.
Once the $20.00 is punched it in I say Oh I have the $0.03 and watch the complex look come over the clerks face trying to do head math to figure out my change...

Now that bugs the hell out of me when that happens, as everybody looks at you as if you are some kind of criminal.

When 9 times out of 10 the machine is at fault, surely when this is the reason that this can be communicated to the store so they can inform the customer that it is the machine at fault not them..

Most people hate to be behind me in queues. When my bill is totalled and the cashier says $17.58 and then I hand over $20.00.
Once the $20.00 is punched it in I say Oh I have the $0.03 and watch the complex look come over the clerks face trying to do head math to figure out my change...

What use is the 0.03c? Surely it would be better if you offered the 0.58c?

Col

What use is the 0.03c? Surely it would be better if you offered the 0.58c?

Col

He was pulling a "Colin" :D

He was pulling a "Colin" :D
Are you suggesting that Colin can't do maths?:confused:

Now that bugs the hell out of me when that happens, as everybody looks at you as if you are some kind of criminal.

Yep, but the machine can't tell if you are actually the cardholder or not.

So for security, if you have not passed validation, for whatever reason, it should presume the worse and not risk 'leaking' confidential data to a stranger.

Yep, but the machine can't tell if you are actually the cardholder or not.

So for security, if you have not passed validation, for whatever reason, it should presume the worse and not risk 'leaking' confidential data to a stranger.

But the least the cashier could do is say "We're having some problems with our machine, it doesn't seem to want to take this card. I'm sorry."

Whamo, no one is offended, no one looks like a criminal.

This happened to me once before and the cashier was saying that my card was rejected. I got really upset, called the company, and they said they had no transaction with my card. Turned out the strip on the back was worn. The cashier could have saved me a lot of grief.

Whamo, no one is offended, no one looks like a criminal.



Oh I don't know Adam, I think criminal is too strong, dead beat will do.

This happened to me once before and the cashier was saying that my card was rejected. I got really upset, called the company, and they said they had no transaction with my card. Turned out the strip on the back was worn. The cashier could have saved me a lot of grief.

Had a similar experience when I changed address and the credit card company put the zip-code in the wrong field when I informed them.

It's impossible to cater for embarrassment everytime there's a faulty link in the chain.

New screening is making flying a whole lot safer...
http://i33.tinypic.com/9qea2e.jpg

How do you know they have little or no checked luggage? With a majority of airlines still struggling with misdirected checked in luggage how would someone ever be able to say for certain if any of these persons have or did not have a bag or two?
Perhaps the next terrorist will be someone who looks like a prime example of the aryan race, 18-25 years of age with 10 kilos of explosive strategically strapped to them to resemble an expectant young mommy... dont frisk her or scan her and she claims that is alergic to dogs so keep the sniffers away...

Lets just hope that no Terrorist factions read this forum otherwise youv'e just given them a great idea.. :p

In seriousness, the likelyhood of this happening is remote as the majority of attacks on planes going to the US are from Muslim extremists, and they tend to be Asian, African, Middle Eastern...