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ajetrumpet 06-06-2010, 06:21 PM what's your favorite movie? black and whites one's don't count either. so you can't say Casablanca.
i have more than 800 of them on my primary computer so it's hard to pick a favorite. i'd say Good Will Hunting though. it's so much like my own life so i relate to it well.
anyone else care to offer their opinions? oh...and noone say Avatar. I know it's the highest grossing movie of all time, but from what i saw of it i didn't care. how much enjoyment can you get from a computer generated world? :rolleyes:
PNGBill 06-06-2010, 06:38 PM So many Great Movies now that we can replay at will and quality doesn't deteriorate like the good old days.
Guns of Navarone is always enjoyable and Mrs likes Just Like Heaven.
But this depends on the mode:)
Mike375 06-06-2010, 06:51 PM I have only seen Avatar on a laptop screen and from what I hear that is missing a lot. But what I saw I never thought much of it. The theme is very similar to some western movies that show the American indian in a good light. A bit like James Stewart movie Broken Arrow.
Of moden movies (relatively modern:D) then Where Eagles Dare
Adam Caramon 06-07-2010, 02:50 AM I don't really have a single favorite movie, there's simply too many to pick from. I've always been fond of Wizard of Oz mostly for nostalgic reasons.
In general, however, I'm a huge horror movie buff, and my favorite horror movie so far is the newer Dawn of the Dead.
oumahexi 06-07-2010, 04:17 AM Too many to list, short list =
1. Jesus Christ Superstar (the movie is far better than the stage show)
2. Shrek the Halls
3. Bad Santa
kevlray 06-07-2010, 06:48 AM I am a big fan of the Lord of the Rings trilogy (yes, they strayed from the book a bit, but then it might have been 10 hours a movie). The there is 'It's a wonderful life'. The Harry Potter series has been pretty good.
Vassago 06-07-2010, 08:16 AM How can you ask people their favorite movies and then limit them on what they might have as a favorite?
IMO, Avatar was very computer generated, and I don't have an issue with it. I'm a huge animation fan and the quality of work that was put into Avatar was nothing short of amazing.
kevlray 06-07-2010, 08:19 AM Toy Story is computer generated, it still is a fun film.
MrsGorilla 06-07-2010, 09:11 AM Why don't black and white ones count? There are tons of old movies from the 30's and 40's that I love.
boblarson 06-07-2010, 09:17 AM Why don't black and white ones count? There are tons of old movies from the 30's and 40's that I love.
Because Adam is too young to know what it was like to ONLY have black and white. :D :) :D
ajetrumpet 06-07-2010, 09:37 AM Because Adam is too young to know what it was like to ONLY have black and white. :D :) :D
comming from the guy that banished me into outerspace. go back to banishing spammers :rolleyes:
unfortunately, i don't like any black and white movies that are still out there. but for some reason, I love the Andy Griffith Show black and white episodes. can't get enough of them.
so mrs. gorilla, why not allow them now? what are your favorites? casablanca? :D
boblarson 06-07-2010, 09:51 AM comming from the guy that banished me into outerspace. go back to banishing spammers :rolleyes:
well, you deserved the vacation and I do take care of spammers. However, I can, and will, participate in the forums too.
unfortunately, i don't like any black and white movies that are still out there.
So, what's unfortunate about it? But many people do.
And you are much younger than Black and White TV (1980 is quite a bit further on out from when black and white was the only option). It was still the norm when I was growing up.
Adam Caramon 06-07-2010, 09:56 AM The old Vincent Price B&W movies are pretty good. The original Night of the Living Dead is still quite creepy, even today. Psycho, Die, Die my Darling, lots of good B&W movies out there.
Fifty2One 06-07-2010, 10:04 AM Ahhhh yes Bob - back in the days of silent radio and five mile walks to school and back each day - uphill both ways...
Because Adam is too young to know what it was like to ONLY have black and white. :D :) :D
The original Psycho was really good, currently I am on an old Elvis movie kick, just watched Spinout, it is amazing how realistic the footage is of him driving the race car...
boblarson 06-07-2010, 10:20 AM My favorite, based on number of times seen, has to be
"A League of Their Own" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104694/)
I spent an extraordinarily insane amount of money seeing it in the theatre. There was just something about it that "clicked" with me at the time. Of course this was when I was alone and didn't have anything, or anyone else, to worry about. I saw it approximately 172 times in the theatre (told you it was insane) - for a while I went at least once, and sometimes twice, a day after work.
The second place movie, based on times viewed, would have to be the movie "Stripes" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/) with Bill Murray. What a funny movie. Loved it. Saw it in the theatre about 98 times.
Minkey 06-07-2010, 10:21 AM Why don't black and white ones count? There are tons of old movies from the 30's and 40's that I love.
Agree, why not? some of the greatest films were made in black and white and not just 'old films' what about Young Frankenstein, one of (if not the best) the best Mel Brooks films?
In fact I had a quick look at imdb.com and I guess almost 30% of the top 250 films of all time are black and white.
Can't possibly list my favourites as it depends on my mood but ones I can watch almost any time:
Dune
Tremors (massively under rated IMO)
Serenity
Aliens
Rear Window
ajetrumpet 06-07-2010, 11:00 AM times viewed, would have to be the movie "Stripes" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/) with Bill Murray. What a funny movie. Loved it. Saw it in the theatre about 98 times.wow....stripes? so many big stars in that. wasn't that some of the guys' breakout roles? ever compared that movie to Full Metal Jacket? not quite the same in terms of portrayal of the army. don't think either of those movies would make it in today's world.
Tremors (massively under rated IMO)
LOL. tremors!? did you watch the sequels? they absolutely sucked. the special effects for III though was similar to that of the original, which made it decent. did you know that another tremors is in the works? Wiki says Bacon and Ward are reprising the Val and Earl roles!!! lets just hope the effects in the movie are not so advanced that they ruin the opportunity to take you back to the original. :rolleyes:
Adam Caramon 06-07-2010, 12:27 PM I saw it approximately 172 times in the theatre (told you it was insane) - for a while I went at least once, and sometimes twice, a day after work.
That brings to mind an honest question but I have no way of asking it without it sounding like an insult, therefore I'll leave it unsaid :p
Anyhow, 172 times is insane. I consider myself a pretty big movie buff, and I've never seen the same movie more than 3 times in a movie theatre.
Tremors (massively under rated IMO)
I thought Tremors was pretty good myself.
Serenity
I've never seen Serenity, but from the huge cult following that it has, I apparently should.
boblarson 06-07-2010, 12:48 PM That brings to mind an honest question but I have no way of asking it without it sounding like an insult,
Feel free. But just in case this answers it first, here you go. The reason is that
1. I didn't have any friends to do anything with.
2. I didn't have any girlfriend at the time.
So, the only things I was doing at that time was either watching movies or buying CD's (music). I had an 800 disc collection at the time too.
Now I would never be able to do it, but back then it was very easy for me to do. It could probably be classified an addiction at that point. :D
Vassago 06-07-2010, 12:56 PM Feel free. But just in case this answers it first, here you go. The reason is that
1. I didn't have any friends to do anything with.
2. I didn't have any girlfriend at the time.
So, the only things I was doing at that time was either watching movies or buying CD's (music). I had an 800 disc collection at the time too.
Now I would never be able to do it, but back then it was very easy for me to do. It could probably be classified an addiction at that point. :D
Do they have a 12 step program for that? :D
pbaldy 06-07-2010, 12:56 PM Probably my favorite "makes you think" but very entertaining movie was The Wind and the Lion (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073906/). It probably also qualifies as "most likely you never heard of it". :p
Vassago 06-07-2010, 12:59 PM Probably my favorite "makes you think" but very entertaining movie was The Wind and the Lion (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073906/). It probably also qualifies as "most likely you never heard of it". :p
That's one of the first Sean Connery movies I ever saw. I vaguely remember the plot now though as I was pretty young. Maybe I should watch it again. :D
pbaldy 06-07-2010, 01:25 PM Maybe I should watch it again.
I have the DVD; come on over, we'll fire it up! :D
kevlray 06-07-2010, 01:34 PM I've never seen Serenity, but from the huge cult following that it has, I apparently should.
Serentiy is quite good. Of course it helps a bit if you see the TV series Firefly (that the network messed up, they ran the episodes out of order) first.
ajetrumpet 06-07-2010, 02:06 PM 1. I didn't have any friends to do anything with.
boblarson had no friends? that can't be true...:rolleyes:
if anyone wants a movie and they can't find it...i have 853 of them on my desktop. :D and they all work too! AND...i can burn them to cd's too!
Vassago 06-07-2010, 03:38 PM comming from the guy that banished me into outerspace. go back to banishing spammers :rolleyes:
He's not the only one that agreed to you being banned. It's something the members of the staff here discussed before it was decided.
Don't worry, there will be rules explaining the conduct all members and moderators are expected to adhere to posted very soon. This should shed some light in how the staff operates so everyone knows it's not just a one man job or that only one man's decision is what matters.
Adam Caramon 06-07-2010, 06:31 PM Feel free. But just in case this answers it first, here you go.
Ah, okay, that answers it. I always found that movie to be pretty interesting. And I have often repeated the line "There's no crying in (fill in the blank with whatever activity)" to much laughter.
boblarson had no friends? that can't be true...:rolleyes:
That's not very nice. Plus, you're running that eye-rolling smilie into the ground.
if anyone wants a movie and they can't find it...i have 853 of them on my desktop. :D and they all work too! AND...i can burn them to cd's too!
Is that on 1 HD? That must be a massive HD.
ajetrumpet 06-07-2010, 08:39 PM He's not the only one that agreed to you being banned. It's something the members of the staff here discussed before it was decided.
Don't worry, there will be rules explaining the conduct all members and moderators are expected to adhere to posted very soon. This should shed some light in how the staff operates so everyone knows it's not just a one man job or that only one man's decision is what matters.
do some of you people manage this forum as a fulltime job? man, you can't escape the politics anywhere anymore. i just wanna hibernate in my room :(
Is that on 1 HD? That must be a massive HD.they're ~500-600MB per movie. Unfortunately though, burned DVDs directly onto the HD take up ~6GB per movie. That's absolutely riduculous. And yes, it's a big HD, but nothing if you play online RPGs. it's only 700GB. isn't the terabyte out now? how much is that? 1000gb? I can't keep track of that junk, nor do i really care.
and i guess it matters how fast the processor is too. the home machine has two AMDs i think, and they're something like 1.8GHZ a piece. or maybe more, heck i don't even know. where do you find that info at anyway!?
PNGBill 06-07-2010, 10:14 PM One movie we watch a bit is The Sea Wolfes - True story about sinking cargo ships in Goa Harbour, India. - bit of history as well.
Gregory Peck, David Niven, Roger Moore, Trevor Howard, Patrick Macnee.
Nothing like a True story to go with a great movie.
Minkey 06-08-2010, 12:30 AM I thought Tremors was pretty good myself.
Erm so did I :confused:
they're ~500-600MB per movie. Unfortunately though, burned DVDs directly onto the HD take up ~6GB per movie. That's absolutely riduculous. And yes, it's a big HD, but nothing if you play online RPGs. it's only 700GB. isn't the terabyte out now? how much is that? 1000gb? I can't keep track of that junk, nor do i really care.
It's not ridiculous tbh that's how big video is - did you know without compression a standard definition film is 88Gb per hour? A terabyte is 1024Gb btw (not that you care ;))
and i guess it matters how fast the processor is too. the home machine has two AMDs i think, and they're something like 1.8GHZ a piece. or maybe more, heck i don't even know. where do you find that info at anyway!?
Start > run > type dxdiag hit enter.
Agree, why not? some of the greatest films were made in black and white and not just 'old films' what about Young Frankenstein, one of (if not the best) the best Mel Brooks films?
Blazing saddles was by far the better:p
Pauldohert 06-08-2010, 02:08 AM Lost Boys would be one of my favourite movies.
Somehow it recaptures the good feelings of being a teenager again when I watch it , right from the opening sequence of them driving into town, with Echo and the Bunnymens version of People are Strange playing in the background.
It also has one of my favourite quotes - "Read the TV guide - and you dont need a TV"
Adam Caramon 06-08-2010, 02:17 AM Erm so did I :confused:
:confused: Try one of these maybe?
/agree
I concur with your prior statement.
Yes, I also like that movie.
Oh right, I didn't even think about that one, but when you mentioned it, I was like, oh yeah, that one.
*nod head in agreement*
Lost Boys would be one of my favourite movies.
Very good movie.
dan-cat 06-08-2010, 04:29 AM Start > run > type dxdiag hit enter.
Thanks you've just reminded me how ancient my machine is :p
dan-cat 06-08-2010, 04:42 AM The second place movie, based on times viewed, would have to be the movie "Stripes" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/) with Bill Murray. What a funny movie. Loved it. Saw it in the theatre about 98 times.
I think my favorite Bill Murray movie is Scrooged and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lSyGavc4&feature=related) scene from Caddyshack.
mitchem1 06-08-2010, 06:27 AM boblarson had no friends? that can't be true...:rolleyes:
if anyone wants a movie and they can't find it...i have 853 of them on my desktop. :D and they all work too! AND...i can burn them to cd's too!
Do you have a film called "Breaking Away"? It it my all time favorite. I have it on VHS but haven't been able to find it on DVD
Minkey 06-08-2010, 07:14 AM I have it on VHS but haven't been able to find it on DVD
cough (http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Away-Dennis-Christopher/dp/B00003CX96) ...;)
ajetrumpet 06-08-2010, 08:10 AM cough (http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Away-Dennis-Christopher/dp/B00003CX96) ...;)
i knew someone would do this Minkey. you have to PAY for that kind. :D no good...
Minkey 06-08-2010, 09:46 AM i knew someone would do this Minkey. you have to PAY for that kind. :D no good...
cough (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=pm&match=all&titlesonly=0) ...;) but honestly is $9 to much to pay :rolleyes: :p
Rabbie 06-08-2010, 11:52 AM Blazing saddles was by far the better:p
Blazing Saddles was brilliant. I also liked The Producers (Springtime for Hitler and Germany):)
MrsGorilla 06-08-2010, 12:32 PM Blazing saddles was by far the better:p
I liked 'Blazing Saddles' too but I definitely like 'Young Frankenstein' better. It really is one of my favorites. As far as old B&W movies go, since I brought it up earlier, I also love:
'The Scarlet Pimpernel' with Leslie Howard and Merle Oberon
'Psycho', and pretty much any Alfred Hitchcock film, ('Shadow of a Doubt' comes to mind, with Joseph Cotten, as does 'The Lady Vanishes', 'Suspicion', 'Spellbound', etc. Oh, and 'The 39 Steps'. I could name more, but you get the point)
Some of the old, corny swashbuckler-type movies, like 'Zorro', with Tyrone Power, etc.
'The Mummy', with Boris Karloff
Blah, blah, blah. I'm sure I could come up with more but these are a few. I grew up watching many of these movies with my mom and so they hold a special place in my heart. I'll have to post later with a different list of color movies. :D
MrsGorilla 06-08-2010, 12:34 PM I think my favorite Bill Murray movie is Scrooged and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lSyGavc4&feature=related) scene from Caddyshack.
Scrooged was good. I also liked Ghostbusters.
ajetrumpet 06-08-2010, 01:34 PM cough (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=pm&match=all&titlesonly=0) ...;) but honestly is $9 to much to pay :rolleyes: :p
it is if you don't have a job
The_Doc_Man 06-08-2010, 07:05 PM In terms of movie favorites, I don't have a single top of the list, but I have some that I like for either the best reasons or quirky ones.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy captured Middle-Earth beautifully. Yes, a bunch got left out, but as was mentioned, watching the full trilogy in a single day would leave you exhausted and bleary-eyed. Not only that, not everyone would get the symbolism of Tom Bombadil, who never made it onto the screen at all. In Return of the King, that scene where Aragorn releases the promise-breakers was so exactly like I pictured it from the book that it was like being there in the very pages of the story.
Young Frankenstein is my all-time favorite Mel Brooks movie. It gleefully skewers every installment of the original Frankenstein series from (was it...) Universal's pre-WWII horror library. Another Brooks flick, Blazing Saddles, was fun, but not for movie reasons. I considered it to be over the top more than once. I took my Mom and Dad to see it when it came out. Mom and I laughed at the campfire scene. Dad was horrified so badly that Mom and I laughed even harder the more mortified he got. (I get my sense of humor from Mom, thank goodness.)
I absolutely LOVED Forbidden Planet (1956) with so many stars at the beginnings of their careers that it is just incredible. At least half-a-dozen guys and 1 gal who went on to have excellent acting credits as their talents matured. But conceptually it was a lot of fun, too. Trekkers would also recognize just how much it affected Gene Roddenberry when he later did Star Trek stuff.
My wife and I love to watch True Lies with "the governator" and Jamie Lee Curtis in an INCREDIBLE strip-tease. Who says mature actresses can't look sexy? And for reasons I can't quite fathom, wifey loves Harrier Jets.
I must admit a guilty pleasure in the movie Xanadu because I liked the music and when it came out, I was still single and lusting after Olivia Newton John. But it also has one of the last performances of Gene Kelly. I've always liked him even though you can't say he's one of the greatest actors around.
As for Avatar, I enjoyed it even though it was troubling. It was a work of art, a true labor of love of art for James Cameron. OK, the wildly profitable success doesn't hurt... But then, when you artistically look at human prejudice in any of its forms, you see how ugly it can be. Which is exactly the same reason why I liked the first X-Men movie. They BOTH held up mirrors to humanity to show the seamy side of human arrogance and disdain for the rights of others. It HURT to watch the prejudice and hatred, but it was spot-on.
If we are talking B/W movies, there is no middle ground on this one. Either you love or hate Dr. Strangelove (with its sub-titled name). I loved it. The scene where Slim Pickens takes the ride of a lifetime with the ultimate phallic symbol between his legs is truly priceless.
From the early color movie collections, my favorite Robin Hood of all time was the one with Errol Flynn in the title role. I agree with Mr. Gorilla about the Leslie Howard version of The Scarlet Pimpernel. Two great swashes to buckle.
Silverado - a western with EVERY CLICHE' in the book, a stellar cast, and great action sequences.
Here's one that I like for quirky rather than artistic reasons... Lust in the Dust with Tab Hunter, Divine, Lanie Kazan, and many veteran character actors. I was going through tough times with my terminally ill mother when a friend of mine took me to see this. I thought I was going to pitch head first rolling down the aisle of the theatre, dying laughing. Literally ready to ROTF LMAO PIMP. That funny. Here's the premise for you... a thief steals a bunch of money, hides it, and tattoos half of the treasure map on the butt-cheeks of his two daughters. then he has the ill grace to die. Only someone who had bedded both daughters would be able to know about it. And the daughters were Lanie Kazan and Divine. OMG, I'm laughing again just thinking about it.
Another quirky little pleasure is The Bicentennial Man with Robin Williams. He's funny with a totally dead-pan delivery - and yet it is so deeply touching to see someone strive to be what everyone tells him he cannot be. It is a sci-fi version of "Pygmalion" or Rudy.
One last flick and I'm outta here. Not quirky at all, either. Driving Miss Daisy was so intensely painful at the end because it reminded me of my mother in a nursing home. But the Oscar-winning performance of Jessica Tandy brought me to tears at many points throughout the movie with its portrayal of a woman's declining years, attempting but not always succeeding to remain graceful as age takes its expected yet terrible toll.
dan-cat 06-09-2010, 06:02 AM If we are talking B/W movies, there is no middle ground on this one. Either you love or hate Dr. Strangelove (with its sub-titled name). I loved it. The scene where Slim Pickens takes the ride of a lifetime with the ultimate phallic symbol between his legs is truly priceless.
Probably my all-time favorite comedy movie.
I read somewhere that Ronald Reagan wanted to see the war-room when he was first elected not knowing that it was a complete fabrication :D
The war-room table made to look like a poker table is sheer brilliance.
The_Doc_Man 06-09-2010, 02:46 PM Actually, there IS a war room underneath a mountain in Colorado, but it doesn't look anything like that room from the movie. Mostly just computer screens, chairs, and communications consoles. Actually, if nothing is going it, it is rather dull. It looks like a thousand other network centers.
Vassago 06-10-2010, 08:25 AM Actually, there IS a war room underneath a mountain in Colorado, but it doesn't look anything like that room from the movie. Mostly just computer screens, chairs, and communications consoles. Actually, if nothing is going it, it is rather dull. It looks like a thousand other network centers.
Sounds like the room from Terminator 3.
Fifty2One 06-10-2010, 09:15 AM Canada also had a secret war room bunker... it is located at 3911 Carp Road in Carp Ontario. It was decommissioned a number of years ago when they realised that no one would waste a perfectly good nuke on Canada... it was called the Diefenbunker and you can even go on a tour of it if you like subterranian things...
The_Doc_Man 06-14-2010, 08:04 PM Sounds like the room from Terminator 3.
That room ALSO looks like 1000 other network operating centers. They're all different yet they're all alike.
ajetrumpet 06-14-2010, 09:14 PM That room ALSO looks like 1000 other network operating centers. They're all different yet they're all alike.
would I get to work with ones of these if I joined the Navy?
PNGBill 06-14-2010, 10:39 PM Just watched "Harry Brown" staring Michael Caine.
Very good movie.
A twist on the old Vigilante movies of Charles Bronson.
The_Doc_Man 06-15-2010, 06:23 PM Adam you don't have to join the Navy. Just become a government contractor. Though it will drive you nuts because of the bizarre environment that changes every five years or so based on Federal Acquisition Rules for labor contracts.
Thales750 06-16-2010, 03:10 AM what's your favorite movie? black and whites one's don't count either. so you can't say Casablanca.
i have more than 800 of them on my primary computer so it's hard to pick a favorite. i'd say Good Will Hunting though. it's so much like my own life so i relate to it well.
anyone else care to offer their opinions? oh...and noone say Avatar. I know it's the highest grossing movie of all time, but from what i saw of it i didn't care. how much enjoyment can you get from a computer generated world? :rolleyes:
Mostly stolen I imagine
ajetrumpet 06-16-2010, 04:16 AM Adam you don't have to join the Navy. Just become a government contractor. Though it will drive you nuts because of the bizarre environment that changes every five years or so based on Federal Acquisition Rules for labor contracts.
I don't have much choice really. my lack of political experience in the private sector has limited my job offers considerably. joining the navy would certainly cure me of that though! no doubt about thaMostly stolen I imagine
what? my movies? have no idea...
Vassago 06-16-2010, 08:22 AM :confused:
And this should probably not be part of this thread.
ajetrumpet 06-16-2010, 08:24 AM :confused:
And this should probably not be part of this thread.
you're absolutely right. deleted it.
and I forgot that there are people out there that can't see it as a joke. so if you'll delete your quote now we're good to go!
Vassago 06-16-2010, 10:15 AM you're absolutely right. deleted it.
and I forgot that there are people out there that can't see it as a joke. so if you'll delete your quote now we're good to go!
Didn't know if it was a joke or not. I was just looking out for your interests. :D
Canada also had a secret war room bunker.
This one?
http://robertbonnett.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/secret-bunker-sign.jpg
ajetrumpet 06-16-2010, 11:22 AM Didn't know if it was a joke or not. I was just looking out for your interests. :D
what interests? :confused:
MrsGorilla 06-17-2010, 01:17 PM so mrs. gorilla, why not allow them now? what are your favorites? casablanca? :D
See? No one has even mentioned Casablanca, have they? :)
boblarson 06-17-2010, 01:21 PM See? No one has even mentioned Casablanca, have they? :)
Speaking of Casablanca :D, I only watched it for the first time about 2 months ago and FINALLY I can now place all of the "catch phrases" from the movie which have been part of our culture ever since the movie came out. I had heard a lot of them but never in context. It was very interesting. Not a movie I would watch again though.
MrsGorilla 06-17-2010, 01:27 PM Speaking of Casablanca :D, I only watched it for the first time about 2 months ago and FINALLY I can now place all of the "catch phrases" from the movie which have been part of our culture ever since the movie came out. I had heard a lot of them but never in context. It was very interesting. Not a movie I would watch again though.
I've actually never seen it all the way through either, just caught bits and pieces of it. I'll have to do it sometime, just to say I have.
ajetrumpet 06-17-2010, 03:39 PM See? No one has even mentioned Casablanca, have they? :)
of course not. The stone age was a long time ago. :D
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