I am glad to see this sorry POS has been killed. I am even happier that it happened right as the Taliban stated they would start their spring offensive.

Way to Go US Navy SEALS team 6!

Osama had nothing to do with the Taliban at the time of his death. They had denounced and turned on Al Queda. But I agree, it's good to see some justice for the thousands of people around the world, no matter what nationality or religion, that were terrorized and victimized by this man and his financial resources.

The point was that this administration had done something right and the USA is still strong. It was a good show of intelligence capabilities and force.


"it's good to see some justice for the thousands of people around the world, no matter what nationality or religion, that were terrorized and victimized by this man"

Definately!

I find it a little anticlimatic. Better sooner than later.

I find it interesting that the terrorists have vowed vengeance. So, even as they have been planning their terrorist activities and going to do something somewhere regardless - they are now going to do something "special" which seems odd that they wouldn't be planning that in the first place. So, it is just another excuse to do the activities they have been doing all along.

I find it interesting that the terrorists have vowed vengeance. So, even as they have been planning their terrorist activities and going to do something somewhere regardless - they are now going to do something "special" which seems odd that they wouldn't be planning that in the first place. So, it is just another excuse to do the activities they have been doing all along.

I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT ALL ALONG!!! Some of my friends voiced concerns about the retaliation from the terrorists. My point was... "So you think there was some potential suicide bomber sitting at home drinking a beer, trying to decide if he was going to attack or not, decided not to, then found out Osama was killed and thought, 'Oh, that's it, now I'm doing it!'" Give me a break. They will continue to attempt to do what they would have attempted to do anyway and we will continue to do what we do to stop them. It's business as usual.

Maybe not business as usual; maybe a prominent 'martyr' used to avenge.

I would reasonably think that a martyr would be lucky to come home in a body bag, many on both sides have not.

Revenge is sweet to the victorious but can lead to revenge by the vanquished. With that, the only winner is the body bag.

The US seems to have done the correct thing under the circumstance, conducting a burial with dignity. The aim was to bury an individual, not to belittle or antagonize a people.

I'm glad he is gone, and I'm happy that those who were directly affected by bin Laden's actions found a measure of comfort in his demise. Having said that, it is very strange to see people cheering and partying in response to a person's death.

We should not be ashamed of assassinating him; it was something that should have been done. But I think those people being publicly jubilant look ridiculous.

To the average modern "Christian", "turning the other cheek" means showing the other side of one's buttocks.

Of course it will all be worth it though since Bin Laden's death will end all terrorism in the world overnight. Who wouldn't be jubilant?

I'm glad he is gone, and I'm happy that those who were directly affected by bin Laden's actions found a measure of comfort in his demise. Having said that, it is very strange to see people cheering and partying in response to a person's death.

We should not be ashamed of assassinating him; it was something that should have been done. But I think those people being publicly jubilant look ridiculous.

It was not an assassination Adam, it was an attempted apprehension.

There is only one answer to the Middle Eastern / North African, Oil producing, Islamic extremist problem.


The Earth needs to put on the fast track, to renewable fuels, and let those folks go back to riding their camels and killing each other. It’s coming for them, one way or the other; they want to live in a world forgotten; we are the problem by buying their oil.

They obviously cannot handle preeminence in a modern world.

The Earth needs to put on the fast track, to recyclable fuels, and let those folks go back to riding their camels and killing each other. It’s coming for them, one way or the other; they want to live in a world forgotten; we are the problem by buying their oil.

Exactly. But oil companies are doing everything they can to stop this.

Is he dead? The US dumped a "body" at sea, seems a bit quick to me. Plus, to see Americans dancing in the street was shameful and childish, I thought there should be a little more restraint.

If he is dead, then the Americans have got something right for a change (instead of killing allies by friendly fire, or killing innocent women and children).
However, you have to admit that the attacks of 11/9/2001, horrendous though they were, were a masterpiece of planning, if the Americans had done that to say Kabul, then they would be cheering for years to come.

This is not the end though, now that the US has stirred things up by their invasion of Iraq and subsequently Afghanistan, there are plenty more who can plan more attacks anywhere they choose - losing Bin-Liner is not going to change a thing.

It could be like the US taking out Saddam - it just made matters worse for all of us.

Col

It was not an assassination Adam, it was an attempted apprehension.

Then it was a blessing that he was killed and not arrested. I am sure if he had been in custody there would have kidnappings and othe attrocities in an attempt to have him released. Best that he is buried at sea where there can be no shrine

Plus, to see Americans dancing in the street was shameful and childish, I thought there should be a little more restraint.

I can't agree more. It's very sick when people can cheer and celebrate to the magnitude that they did over anyone's death. It's almost as sick as people DEMANDING to see the body for proof. I think it was more the feeling of closure that made people feel good. I can understand feeling like justice was served though. It's a sense of relief.



If he is dead, then the Americans have got something right for a change (instead of killing allies by friendly fire, or killing innocent women and children).
However, you have to admit that the attacks of 11/9/2001, horrendous though they were, were a masterpiece of planning, if the Americans had done that to say Kabul, then they would be cheering for years to come.


I can't see us actually trying to take out civilian establishments on purpose. But this is an argument not worth having since you'll just disagree without providing evidence. Sure, there are bad people in every country, but the overall majority would never agree to the killing of civilians.



This is not the end though, now that the US has stirred things up by their invasion of Iraq and subsequently Afghanistan, there are plenty more who can plan more attacks anywhere they choose - losing Bin-Liner is not going to change a thing.

It could be like the US taking out Saddam - it just made matters worse for all of us.

Col

Who is in a worse place without Saddam? I'm sure the majority of people in the Middle East are glad to see him gone, including the Iraqi people who tried and executed him for the thousands of murders he commanded of civilians.

Who is in a worse place without Saddam? I'm sure the majority of people in the Middle East are glad to see him gone, including the Iraqi people who tried and executed him for the thousands of murders he commanded of civilians.
No idea how accurate this article is, but if even part of it is true it does give an intereresting slant on things.
http://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/u-s-leaves-iraq-much-worse-off-than-it-was-under-saddam/

That's nothing more than a blog. It's an opinion piece.

That's nothing more than a blog. It's an opinion piece.
My mistake. I thought your previous question 'Who is in a worse place without Saddam?' was, in effect, asking for opinions.

Had you said that the question was entirely rhetorical and you were stating that everyone is unequivocally better off, I wouldn't have dared suggest that someone else have a differing viewpoint.

Edit: And people around here have asked why the conversation is drying up?

After reading it, my problems with the blog are that the post is really more about the need for troops to maintain a position in Iraq. There is also no reference to the stats being supplied prior to 2003.. 87% of all stats are made up on the spot 50% of the time.
So I would need more information... Also, I think I would want opinions from people actually THERE. How do we know that the pre-2003 numbers were not "fudged" by Saddam?? There is also expected to be a decline in infrastructure after a war...
That would be like saying Germany was better off with Hitler in charge.. Well right after the war, ya that argument might be true, but that's because before the war, the contry wasn't bombed to S**t. It takes time to rebuild... I think it's a big picture vs small picture argument.

That would be like saying Germany was better off with Hitler in charge.. Well right after the war, ya that argument might be true, but that's because before the war, the contry wasn't bombed to S**t. It takes time to rebuild... I think it's a big picture vs small picture argument.
Yes, but today IS right after the war. Perhaps things will be great in ten years' time, perhaps not.

I agree with your other comments, this guy doesn't live there so how would he know for sure, but then that can be applied to virtually every opinion I've seen so far (here or elsewhere).

Edit: And people around here have asked why the conversation is drying up?

Surely it's obvious.

People are now frightened to post anything that prompts discussion because certain people here will delete it or even ban them for no reason other than stating an opinion.

And I thought dictatorship was dying, over the last few years on these forums it is more popular than ever as long as the "chosen few" can rule.

If you can read this before it gets deleted and I get banned again then you'll be doing well.

Col

Surely it's obvious.

People are now frightened to post anything that prompts discussion because certain people here will delete it or even ban them for no reason other than stating an opinion.

And I thought dictatorship was dying, over the last few years on these forums it is more popular than ever as long as the "chosen few" can rule.

If you can read this before it gets deleted and I get banned again then you'll be doing well.

Col

Who's been banned recently for stating an opinion without insulting other members or being a forum troll?

Who's been banned recently for stating an opinion without insulting other members or being a forum troll?

I have no idea - I am not part of the elite, I am merely a target not an arrow.

You have to admit though that compared to 10 or so years ago the current regime have successfully killed off these forums.

Be honest Vass, what is better, the current forums where nobody posts (except for benign boring things) or the interactive (friendly) banter of years ago.

I only log in about once a week now, even then it's usually as a guest.

Col

I have no idea - I am not part of the elite, I am merely a target not an arrow.

You have to admit though that compared to 10 or so years ago the current regime have successfully killed off these forums.

Be honest Vass, what is better, the current forums where nobody posts (except for benign boring things) or the interactive (friendly) banter of years ago.

I only log in about once a week now, even then it's usually as a guest.

Col

If it wasn't for the political and religious arguing, the excessive trolling, and abusive behavior of some members, we would probably still have the friendly banter. It seems to have chased a lot of members away. I can't say I blame them.

If it wasn't for the political and religious arguing, the excessive trolling, and abusive behavior of some members, we would probably still have the friendly banter. It seems to have chased a lot of members away. I can't say I blame them.

I agree that there were some members who were using foul language etc. I personally dislike that, there is no need for it.

But if everyone is happy with a sterile non-interactive forum then that's fine. That's what the mods want, that's what they have.

Col

I agree that there were some members who were using foul language etc. I personally dislike that, there is no need for it.

But if everyone is happy with a sterile non-interactive forum then that's fine. That's what the mods want, that's what they have.

Col

I still don't see how the mods have caused it. I can't remember the last time I've deleted a post or banned anyone. Actually, I don't really remember ever banning anyone and the only posts I've deleted were the excessive profane or abusive. I even let you slide on replacing male names with female since no one complained.

Again, I don't think it was the mods that caused it, it was more likely the repetitive negativity toward each other's home countries, religions, cultures, or ideals over the same tired opinions. It's why I left for a long time myself.

It could be like the US taking out Saddam - it just made matters worse for all of us.

Dave, who is to say that the sudden surge of Middle East unrest wasn't started by taking down Saddam, and that it just took a while to gain momentum? I'm not going to guess at that one.

As to Osama's death, I am sad in a way. Oh, he was a scuz-bucket and deserved what he got, but then again, a lot of people get more or less than they really deserved. I'm saddened because it took that kind of action to put an end to his schemes and hatred. Sad for him that he became so terribly hated as to engender such a reaction. Sad for the USA that we had to stoop to his level to put an end to his role in terror attacks. Sad that people found the need to rejoice at the death of another person.

I'm not stupid enough to believe that no good can come of it. There is probably enough captured intelligence on the computers in the compound that analysts will be busy for months and months sifting through it all. We'll catch more scuz-buckets. We'll put an end to some plans by knowing ahead of time where they were going to attack next. The operation was a good thing. I'm just not one to rejoice at the death of another person.

On the other hand, seeing the Pakistani Army shown up as a dundering bunch of chowderheads who couldn't find Osama hiding nearly in plain sight? THAT is worth a laugh at their expense.

On the other hand, seeing the Pakistani Army shown up as a dundering bunch of chowderheads who couldn't find Osama hiding nearly in plain sight? THAT is worth a laugh at their expense.

I thought everyone was looking for him, with the US being one of the leaders in that. I thought they were looking in particular in Pakistan too.

I was obviuosly mistaken - and the failure is all Pakistans and the success all the US's.

If it wasn't for the political and religious arguing, the excessive trolling, and abusive behavior of some members, we would probably still have the friendly banter.

It's also a shame that there is / was selective discrimination against certain members.

I remember in 2008, it's OK for one member to say another has "mental issues" after making an innocent comment about the death of John Lennon, yet when asked to qualify their expertise in making such a diagnosis, they ignore the question and the questioner ends up with a lifetime ban. How fair is that? Even if it was a joke it would have been ok.

Oh yes of course, the person who said it is American - or at least lives in the US, he could be a pseudo fake Yank, born in another country - I still have his address though (wonderful thing the internet if you know where to look). So obviously the Yank is going to get away scot-free.
Oddly, he even went to the police to complain - I bet they laughed him out of the cop-shop.

Col

It's also a shame that there is / was selective discrimination against certain members.

I remember in 2008, it's OK for one member to say another has "mental issues" after making an innocent comment about the death of John Lennon, yet when asked to qualify their expertise in making such a diagnosis, they ignore the question and the questioner ends up with a lifetime ban. How fair is that? Even if it was a joke it would have been ok.

Oh yes of course, the person who said it is American - or at least lives in the US, he could be a pseudo fake Yank, born in another country - I still have his address though (wonderful thing the internet if you know where to look). So obviously the Yank is going to get away scot-free.
Oddly, he even went to the police to complain - I bet they laughed him out of the cop-shop.

Col

I remember that!!!
...This kinda looks like a hatchet handle sticking out of the ground doesn't it?

I remember in 2008, it's OK for one member to say another has "mental issues" after making an innocent comment about the death of John Lennon, yet when asked to qualify their expertise in making such a diagnosis, they ignore the question and the questioner ends up with a lifetime ban. How fair is that? Even if it was a joke it would have been ok.


I sadly remember that to, because you went on and on and on about it to no end like an old woman with no hobbies.


Oh yes of course, the person who said it is American - or at least lives in the US, he could be a pseudo fake Yank, born in another country - I still have his address though (wonderful thing the internet if you know where to look). So obviously the Yank is going to get away scot-free.
Oddly, he even went to the police to complain - I bet they laughed him out of the cop-shop.


And you can't imagine why he said you have mental issues?

I sadly remember that to, because you went on and on and on about it to no end like an old woman with no hobbies.


I've forgotten all about it.

I remember in 2008...Col

That's recent to you? What year are you living in?

Let it go already, people are a little tired of hearing it.

On the other hand, seeing the Pakistani Army shown up as a dundering bunch of chowderheads who couldn't find Osama hiding nearly in plain sight? THAT is worth a laugh at their expense.

Pakistan is the current embodiment of all that is wrong with that region.

They accept aid from the US and turn around and render comfort to our enemies.

They form alliances based on whichever way the wind is blowing.

They need to take a stand, or soon they will see adversity from both the West and the Islamic Extremist.

They walk a fine line, and they have nuclear capabilities.

How long will they be allowed to exist?

Col,
People, that is civilized people, and in particular women, stopped coming here because too many folks chose to insight abhorrence instead of enlightenment.

You were one of the worst offenders. And you know this to be true, you would make generalities about America and fain injury when people would retort.

How can you in good conscious purport the demise of this interchange by intelligent people, when the hypocrite lives in your mirror?

If you truly want to make this place come back to life, then do something about it. Use your considerable intelligence for something good for a change.

I have no tolerance for people that could be more, yet choose less.

I have no tolerance for people that could be more, yet choose less.

Ice Anyone? LOL

Moving back onto topic...
I was reading that several Lawyers and stuff were saying that the US did a horrible job by dumping his body in the ocean. There was an argument made in a local paper quoting some lawyer in the middle east in which he basically said that he should have been burried in his native land according to Muslim laws.

Wasn't he banned from his home and disowned by much of his family????
That was my understanding

Also, maybe it's just me, but I heard that the US is NOT releasing any pictures, that they did a traditional muslim prayer before the "burried" Osama and that he was suppose to be burried within 24 hours according to their religion.. I was surprised they took that much care considering what he did to the US....
I was kinda surprised.

Also, Cheering over the death of someone does seem kind of unusual, but then again, this was an unusual situation.
I think the much more twisted thing is the people demanding to see pictures as evidence.

I think the much more twisted thing is the people demanding to see pictures as evidence.
Particularly since pictures, these days, are hardly irrefutable evidence.

Particularly since pictures, these days, are hardly irrefutable evidence.

Don't point that out to loudly! Otherwise next time they will want video... And then when they realize you can doctor that.. they will want to see the body paraded down the main street of every major city.. And once they figure out about makup and dummies, well then i guess they will demand that the Government does a DNA test and issues a statement.........

Don't point that out to loudly! Otherwise next time they will want video... And then when they realize you can doctor that.. they will want to see the body paraded down the main street of every major city.. And once they figure out about makup and dummies, well then i guess they will demand that the Government does a DNA test and issues a statement.........
That's what puzzled me a bit. Okay, when people lynched Mussolini, tehnnology was such that anyoen seeing pics/film of it could be pretty sure it was the man himself. Nowadays?

If I have no reason to assume the goverment was lying when they said it was him, I have no reason to ask for photos.

If I was the type to believe conspiracy theories, etc. I certainly wouldn't be placated by some photos.

Seems a little pointless.

Not to mention people from both major sides of the political party system, Republican and Democrat, have confirmed that he is dead after seeing the evidence. Why push this further?

I demand to see pictures of Elvis and Hitler dead. Until I see pictures of their dead bodies, I refuse to believe it. :rolleyes:

Col. You are playing the same boring broken record again. Get over it or go away.

I really don't see how a photograph is much use as evidence anyway. Anyone heard of Photoshop?:rolleyes:

Re post #42

I could say nothing; I could take the view that if we don't stick our neck out it won't be chopped off.

Stuff that; I think Col is correct, but I don't think he will be answered honestly.

Separation of Powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers)

The modern concept of 'closure' is crap; it all too often means revenge.

When you seek it, you cannot find it.
Your hand cannot reach it nor your mind exceed it.
When you no longer seek it, it is always with you.
.....Zen Proverb

Col, the people who know what went on understand the abuse levelled at you, and by whom.
But don't let their abuse control your existence; it only gives credence to their self sought position.

Chris.

And you can't imagine why he said you have mental issues?

How was he qualified to make such a statement:confused:

I have no tolerance for people that could be more, yet choose less.
Americans?:confused:

I came on for a look see at what was happening and find that we are back to the lets bash the yanks and Bob in particular, ok I know he has not been named but doesn't need to be.

Those around at the time know that there were faults by many, but at least Bob has apologised (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=192160&highlight=apology), those who hounded him never have.

Brian

I came on for a look see at what was happening and find that we are back to the lets bash the yanks and Bob in particular, ok I know he has not been named but doesn't need to be.

Those around at the time know that there were faults by many, but at least Bob has apologised (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=192160&highlight=apology), those who hounded him never have.

Brian

I've sought only clarification on a couple of seemingly ambiguous posts and am therefore somewhat puzzled by your post:confused:

Let's face it. A lot of us in this industry are "not quite normal" people. Endre came clean (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=200703) a while back and revealed he was a highly functioning autistic. It took me a long time to admit it but I know myself I am on the edge of the spectrum.

On the edge or not, we all need to be cut a little slack sometimes.

Bob can be a bit impulsive and confrontational sometimes but he deserves the credit for apologising for having overstepped the mark. Unfortunately Col's vulnerabilty finds a need to repeatedly dig up the distant past. It is pointless and divisive and he needs to get a grip. Sadly it does him more harm than any of us.

We the "not quite normal" must also be aware of our own propensity to go off the track and realise there are limits to what will be tolerated.

I've sought only clarification on a couple of seemingly ambiguous posts and am therefore somewhat puzzled by your post

Hehehe! You're a funny guy Rich.

Self delusional to the very end.

I suspect it is not really delusion, but a form of arrogance disguised to resemble delusion. So people will wonder if you are indeed that stupid. And since I know you are not stupid, the obvious answer is that you think everyone else is.

Americans?

I understand the temptation to set civility aside when posting on an open forum, but truly the only one that pays the price is you. Hence no one is here very much anymore. You and Col drove them off.


I came on for a look see at what was happening and find that we are back to the lets bash the yanks and Bob in particular, ok I know he has not been named but doesn't need to be.

Those around at the time know that there were faults by many, but at least Bob has apologised (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=192160&highlight=apology), those who hounded him never have.

Brian

Brian,
Once again I apologize to you Sir. I was drawn in to the sniveling; pity on me.

Oh yes of course, the person who said it is American - or at least lives in the US, he could be a pseudo fake Yank, born in another country - I still have his address though (wonderful thing the internet if you know where to look).

Why is having his address important to you?

Brian,
Once again I apologize to you Sir. I was drawn in to the sniveling; pity on me.

I cannot recall any reason for you to apologise to me, you have always seemed polite and courteous on the forum, if you have one fault it is that you refuse to be riled by Rich or Col, tut tut, don't you know that as an American you are supposed to get angry with them.

BTW is your moniker taken from the Greek philosopher?

Brian

I cannot recall any reason for you to apologise to me, you have always seemed polite and courteous on the forum, if you have one fault it is that you refuse to be riled by Rich or Col, tut tut, don't you know that as an American you are supposed to get angry with them.

BTW is your moniker taken from the Greek philosopher?

Brian

Because I was embarrassed to have acknowledged them, when gentlemen, such as yourself, and ladies exist on this forum.

And yes sir, Thales is indeed one of my long dead mentors. He is attributed to being the “Father of Science” to the Ancient Greeks. In actuality though, he most likely copied it from India or Iran.
So maybe not so much the Father, as the Messenger.
Plus, sadly, not much of what he wrote seems to have survived.

I have no tolerance for people that could be more, yet choose less.
You made no attempt to quantify what is obviously an ambiguous statement and to blame me for driving others away from this forum just displays to all why Americans should no longer believe that they still have the right or moral fortitude to police the free world:rolleyes:

You made no attempt to quantify what is obviously an ambiguous statement and to blame me for driving others away from this forum just displays to all why Americans should no longer believe that they still have the right or moral fortitude to police the free world:rolleyes:


You have done it again Rich, you make disparaging remarks, and then when someone comments on it, you fain indignation.

If there was ever a variety to your little anecdotes, maybe, just maybe, you would then sir; possess a modicum of credibility.

As far as policing the world, I have two nephews, I would be glad to see them home.

You made no attempt to quantify what is obviously an ambiguous statement and to blame me for driving others away from this forum just displays to all why Americans should no longer believe that they still have the right or moral fortitude to police the free world:rolleyes:

And actually the word is quallify, "quantify" refers to a mathmatical theses.

I'll tell you the honest truth. I had no idea that Bob had posted that apology. Thanks Bri for posting it.

I accept that apology for him banning me for life. BTW- Can I have my original name back please? (I bet this question gets ignored by Bob)

I will also turn down the burner on Bob's lack of medical qualifications to make a diagnosis 3000 miles away. I shall accept it as a joke unless anyone else would like to take it up. Was it a joke Bob?

Col

I'll tell you the honest truth. I had no idea that Bob had posted that apology. Thanks Bri for posting it.

I accept that apology for him banning me for life. BTW- Can I have my original name back please? (I bet this question gets ignored by Bob)

I will also turn down the burner on Bob's lack of medical qualifications to make a diagnosis 3000 miles away. I shall accept it as a joke unless anyone else would like to take it up. Was it a joke Bob?

Col

There's hope for you Col,

I always said and I repeat, any time you or Rich is ever in the Washington DC area, in fact anyone from across the pond or around the world, I would be glad to show you some of the sights.

We have some passable museums, here in Washington.

Why is having his address important to you?

Something Col plans to pass along to his own little Navy Seal group?

It's mildly interesting that when Bin Laden was in hiding we were told his influence over Al-Qaeda was small...now that's he kaput, we are hearing reports that his influence was significant. The story turns to suit the moment.

As far as policing the world, I have two nephews, I would be glad to see them home.



I have three grandchildren but what's it got to do with American police?:confused:

There's hope for you Col,

I always said and I repeat, any time you or Rich is ever in the Washington DC area, in fact anyone from across the pond or around the world, I would be glad to show you some of the sights.

We have some passable museums, here in Washington.

Museums in the USA? I hear there are artefacts dating back to the 1930's in some of the older museums.
Or perhaps we can jump and chant outside the White House like the Americans did last week?
Actually, the joke here in the UK about that debarcle of seeing the Yanks dancing in the street outside the White House is that they were Republicans who misheard the announcement on the radio and thought they said "Obama is dead" not "Osama is dead". Then when they found out, they gave up and went home.

By the way, what does "SEAL" mean? (apart from the little fluffy things Canadians like to club to death with a baseball bat)

Col

Museums in the USA? I hear there are artefacts dating back to the 1930's in some of the older museums.
Or perhaps we can jump and chant outside the White House like the Americans did last week?
Actually, the joke here in the UK about that debarcle of seeing the Yanks dancing in the street outside the White House is that they were Republicans who misheard the announcement on the radio and thought they said "Obama is dead" not "Osama is dead". Then when they found out, they gave up and went home.

By the way, what does "SEAL" mean? (apart from the little fluffy things Canadians like to club to death with a baseball bat)

Col

Is it normal for folks in Great Britain to start drinking this early in the morning?

Something Col plans to pass along to his own little Navy Seal group?

It's mildly interesting that when Bin Laden was in hiding we were told his influence over Al-Qaeda was small...now that's he kaput, we are hearing reports that his influence was significant. The story turns to suit the moment.

I smoke cigar with guys that are in the intelligence community. I truly believe that Bin Laden had been fairly successful at masking his trail over the last few years. The couriers that were involved in his network were true believers, highly loyal, and very careful. The threads of the network were mostly invisible. These few were slated to become the next generation of leaders in the al-Qaeda organization.

The information contained in the discovery at Abbottabad, reveals much of the secret goings on of al-Qaeda. Obviously many of the headquarters scattered around the region were immediately abandon, but it is unlikely in the haste to flee, that important information was not left behind.

Certainly there will be DNA evidence, and chemical residue if nothing else.

Many of the leadership will most certainly perish as a result of this raid.
The information gleaned is much more important, than the demise of one of their leaders.

By the way, what does "SEAL" mean?

Each of the USA military forces has specially trained men. A SEAL team is a commando team trained to work at SEa, Air, or Land. They are marksmen as well. (Remember the incident when Somali Pirates got picked off by SEAL team snipers?)

I do not claim to personally know any Navy SEAL team members, but I work with the U.S. Navy as my day job. I'm told by someone whom I consider to be a reliable source that a Navy SEAL swims better than many species of fish. They are masters of amphibious infiltration. They fight better and more decisively than most police officers, even the ones with Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) training.

I leave it to the casual observer to consider that a team of Navy SEALS took out Osama with no loss of life or even any injury to their own people. The were in, fighting, and out again in 40 minutes, complete with a body and some computers that will help reveal many percolating Al Qaeda plots.

This raid will also have the effect of making it easier to track down many terrorists. I have already heard of a Saudi government person who surrendered rather than allowing himself to be discovered and raided in the middle of the night.

I am truly in awe that anyone could storm into a fortified encampment like that and come out alive despite crashing a chopper. I am sure they did a lot of preparation but it must take a lot of guts and confidence in the team.

While on the topic of meanings. I have always wondered why "Marines" seem to be in the Army rather than the Navy?

I leave it to the casual observer to consider that a team of Navy SEALS took out Osama with no loss of life or even any injury to their own people. The were in, fighting, and out again in 40 minutes, complete with a body and some computers that will help reveal many percolating Al Qaeda plots.

Far be it from me to disparrage the skills of this SEALS team, but from what I have seen so far of all of this, to shoot an unarmed man in the head, because an unarmed woman ran at you (which they managed to shoot in the leg), does'nt do much credit to them... Unless the only order was to take him out.

Having said that, nobody of any particle of braincell in their skull will mourn his demise.

I just wish the US would come clean and stop trying to present this as another eopisode of JAG and admit:

We found him and we executed him

I'm told by someone whom I consider to be a reliable source that a Navy SEAL swims better than many species of fish. They are masters of amphibious infiltration. They fight better and more decisively than most police officers, even the ones with Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) training.



Cod? More fighting skill than Officer Dibble?

I thought the most impressive thing was they all supposedly in the elite squadren of the navy seals speak several languages. Including in this case Pashto

Cod? More fighting skill than Officer Dibble?

I thought the most impressive thing was they all supposedly in the elite squadren of the navy seals speak several languages. Including in this case Pashto

Col, Rich, Anthony.

The three of you really want no one else in your little sand box. There are no girls left. Of course you probably don't like girls anyway.

It’s pathetic the way you act.

If your mother knew, would she be ashamed of you? What’s even more pathetic, if that’s possible, is that you don’t care.

Luckily, if any of the three of you ever said something intelligent it might be cause for alarm, as it is, you are simply an annoyance.
Go get a life you pitiful excuses.

Col, Rich, Anthony.

The three of you really want no one else in your little sand box. There are no girls left. Of course you probably don't like girls anyway.

It’s pathetic the way you act.

If your mother knew, would she be ashamed of you? What’s even more pathetic, if that’s possible, is that you don’t care.

Luckily, if any of the three of you ever said something intelligent it might be cause for alarm, as it is, you are simply an annoyance.
Go get a life you pitiful excuses.

What did I do? Christ - just a mild ribbing about what kind of fish, and the shock that the elite of the armed forces where better than the police, and some futher info on some of their impressive skills.

If you are so offended by that - I suggest you need the life. ffs

I have three grandchildren but what's it got to do with American police?:confused:

I’m sorry Rich,

Most people have the intelligence to get a basic inference, from an simple implication.

The obvious answers is that I have two Nephews, both of which are overseas, one in Iraq, the other in Afghanistan. They both graduated from the top of their classes with degrees in Engineering.

You have no earned right to speak of America policing the world. We kept the soviets away for 40 years, and all you can offer is despicable insults to a Nations that has always proceeded with your best interest at the front of our foreign policy.

Yes, it is time for other nations to step up, and take the lead in keeping the oil flowing.

I guarantee you if someone doesn’t, WW III will soon follow.

Rich, you speak like the naive fool that you must be. By the way, I am not at all riled up, I am merely embarrassed for you and the other two morons you run with.

[QUOTE=AnthonyGerrard;1065549]What did I do? Christ - just a mild ribbing about what kind of fish, and the shock that the elite of the armed forces where better than the police, and some futher info on some of their impressive skills.


If indeed you are good natured in you’re in your insults, then naturally I am at your service.

But your two friends have taken the guise of “good natured” to insult everything American for years.

As someone mention earlier, truly most of the people that used to be here are now gone. Col and Rich, and I suspect whoever you are, were all three culpable in that act.

Thus ends my raving.

[QUOTE=AnthonyGerrard;1065549]What did I do? Christ - just a mild ribbing about what kind of fish, and the shock that the elite of the armed forces where better than the police, and some futher info on some of their impressive skills.


If indeed you are good natured in you’re in your insults, then naturally I am at your service.

But your two friends have taken the guise of “good natured” to insult everything American for years.

As someone mention earlier, truly most of the people that used to be here are now gone. Col and Rich, and I suspect whoever you are, were all three culpable in that act.

I reported your post because quite simply youre way out of line.

Which part of my post that threw you into a hissy fit was Anti American - not a bit of it!

I am truly in awe that anyone could storm into a fortified encampment like that and come out alive despite crashing a chopper. I am sure they did a lot of preparation but it must take a lot of guts and confidence in the team.

While on the topic of meanings. I have always wondered why "Marines" seem to be in the Army rather than the Navy?

Marines trace their linage back to the days when the British ruled the world. Marines on board British Naval Vessels, did not participate in the day to day functioning of the ship, but instead were on board for close fighting and shore operations.

Hence the Navy; but in the US the Marines operate under the department of the Navy. The chain of command goes through the Commandant directly to the Joint Chiefs not through the Navy Admirals.

I may have this a little messed up, so any Marines out there are welcome to correct me.

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I reported your post because quite simply youre way out of line.

Which part of my post that threw you into a hissy fit was Anti American - not a bit of it!


What are you hoping to accomplish by “reporting” my post? I’m way outside my character now. Normally I would never bother to respond to any of ya’lls outrages insults.

Mostly, I imagine, because I consider the source.

As it was, Col started this thread tangent by complaining how he was banned for life, and how it must be someone else’s fault. Then Rich takes the opportunity to use his little "obtuse" act to further the insults at America.

Maybe Anthony, your timing was just so bad it appeared you were joining the fight. I suspect the you chose that time so you could say something unpleasant and still have a way to cry foul, when someone got sick of it.
You know, pretending to use a joke to mask an insult is something most people out grow in middle school.

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What are you hoping to accomplish by “reporting” my post? I’m way outside my character now. Normally I would never bother to respond to any of ya’lls outrages insults.

Mostly, I imagine, because I consider the source.

As it was, Col started this thread tangent by complaining how he was banned for life, and how it must be someone else’s fault. Then Rich takes the opportunity to use his little "obtuse" act to further the insults at America.

Maybe Anthony, your timing was just so bad it appeared you were joining the fight. I suspect the you chose that time so you could say something unpleasant and still have a way to cry foul, when someone got sick of it.
You know, pretending to use a joke to mask an insult is something most people out grow in middle school.

My post was a little teasing of Docmans desriptions (it was timed Monday morning when I read what I respnded to - theres no conspiracy theory to it!) - better fighters than the Police - who would think differnat frankly? And better swimmers than some fish - can most people quantify that statement into something useful, just how good is that? I can see how Doc Man may have been a little peeved. It was a little cheeky. I apologise.

If you think your response reasonable - fair enough.

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My post was a little teasing of Docmans desriptions (it was timed Monday morning when I read what I respnded to - theres no conspiracy theory to it!) - better fighters than the Police - who would think differnat frankly? And swim faster than some fish - can most people quantify that statement into something useful, just how fast is that. I can see how Doc Man may have been a little peeved. It was a little cheeky. I apologise.

If you think your response reasonable - fair enough.


No, my response was excessive; you unfortunately got lumped in with Rich and Col.

In the future we will see if this retraction is warranted. I hope it is.

The truth is I actually pity both Rich and Col.

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No, my response was excessive; you unfortunately got lumped in with Rich and Col.

In the future we will see if this retraction is warranted. I hope it is.


If you dont feel the retraction warrented - its not worth a jot.

On Twitter they have something called TweetUps where people who communicate to each other via Twitter meet up in real life.

I'd pay money to be a fly-on-the-wall for a watercooler version :D

On Twitter they have something called TweetUps where people who communicate to each other via Twitter meet up in real life.

I'd pay money to be a fly-on-the-wall for a watercooler version :D

I wonder what Rich would do with all those left over characters should he tweet?

I wonder what Rich would do with all those left over characters should he tweet?

That was kind of my thinking for a possible reason for the lack of activity.

The impact of facebook and twitter? I use both. Perhaps Rich and Col have become twerps?

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If you dont feel the retraction warrented - its not worth a jot.

We will see, if in the future, you do as I say you are; disguising Insults with pretended humor. If I'm wrong then it is a real retraction, if not, then not.

It's kind of a conditional retraction.

I'm dubious of your motivations, and a full retraction sounds like a reason to congratulate you on some point, or to concede victory of some sorts.

So I reckon a conditional one is the best I have to offer. If however in the future you prove to be unbiased. Well then I would say that I will seek out normalized relations.
And if you prove to be like Brian, a real gentleman, then I will treat you as such.
I don’t see how letting little spoiled brats have their way helps anyone.

That was kind of my thinking for a possible reason for the lack of activity.

The impact of facebook and twitter? I use both. Perhaps Rich and Col have become twerps?


You may have a real point there, maybe it's time to move on.

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We will see, if in the future, you do as I say you are; disguising Insults with pretended humor. If I'm wrong then it is a real retraction, if not, then not.

It's kind of a conditional retraction.

I'm dubious of your motivations, and a full retraction sounds like a reason to congratulate you on some point, or to concede victory of some sorts.

So I reckon a conditional one is the best I have to offer. If however in the future you prove to be unbiased. Well then I would say that I will seek out normalized relations.
And if you prove to be like Brian, a real gentleman, then I will treat you as such.
I don’t see how letting little spoiled brats have their way helps anyone.

We'll have normailsed relations when you be reasonable and apolgise. That seems very unlikely.

What was the insult in my thread that set you off - so I know - above the ribbing I hold my hands up to?
You can at least tell me what I am supposed to have done?

You may have a real point there, maybe it's time to move on.

I know it's tempting to think that it was bickering or hurt feelings that drove people away but my opinion is that it was just the ennui. The bickering was actually entertaining for a while but everything gets boring eventually.

Regardless of whether you find it insulting or not, a yank, brit or any kind of joke repeated often enough ceases to divert the attention. It's neither funny or insulting anymore and the instinctive reaction is to seek out something new. It's not as if there is a lack of candidates vying for our attendance.

That's not to say that this "moving on" can't be done within the WC, it's just that most, including myself, would rather have the "social ball" rolling before joining in. Thus the unanswered void when the American jibe fizzled out.

So for me it's not the American jibe itself that has driven people away, just that repetition will coax people to turn their heads and there was a big facebook fair going on in the next cornfield.

I know it's tempting to think that it was bickering or hurt feelings that drove people away but my opinion is that it was just the ennui. The bickering was actually entertaining for a while but everything gets boring eventually.

Regardless of whether you find it insulting or not, a yank, brit or any kind of joke repeated often enough ceases to divert the attention. It's neither funny or insulting anymore and the instinctive reaction is to seek out something new. It's not as if there is a lack of candidates vying for our attendance.

That's not to say that this "moving on" can't be done within the WC, it's just that most, including myself, would rather have the "social ball" rolling before joining in. Thus the unanswered void when the American jibe fizzled out.

So for me it's not the American jibe itself that has driven people away, just that repetition will coax people to turn their heads and there was a big facebook fair going on in the next cornfield.

You are so correct.

I know it's tempting to think that it was bickering or hurt feelings that drove people away but my opinion is that it was just the ennui. The bickering was actually entertaining for a while but everything gets boring eventually.

Regardless of whether you find it insulting or not, a yank, brit or any kind of joke repeated often enough ceases to divert the attention. It's neither funny or insulting anymore and the instinctive reaction is to seek out something new. It's not as if there is a lack of candidates vying for our attendance.

That's not to say that this "moving on" can't be done within the WC, it's just that most, including myself, would rather have the "social ball" rolling before joining in. Thus the unanswered void when the American jibe fizzled out.

So for me it's not the American jibe itself that has driven people away, just that repetition will coax people to turn their heads and there was a big facebook fair going on in the next cornfield.

That and the tedium of not being able to say boo to a goose. In case they play the American Goose card. Differant side of the same coin.

That and the tedium of not being able to say boo to a goose. In case they play the American Goose card. Differant side of the same coin.

Very yin and yang. I agree, the jibe kind of depends on it.

And the personal insults come back around. Congrats on another thread closed because it gets off topic and childish.