Rich, that looks pretty damn good. Ever thought of going into the trades? :)
Been in 'em for "%years now :eek: , although I do very little work of that nature now. Found easier ways to make a living :D

Hey! Hey! What the hell is going on here? This area is roped off for mud slinging, ball busting and vicious attacks! What is with this congeniality, compliments and praise?

It's a male thing, you wouldn't understand :D

lmao @ Friday and Rich.

Rich, yeah... something about power tools that brings you all together.

Wow... good job man.. you got the skills.. and patience too hehehe

Je suis fini!
Looks Good Rich,

Did you set the tile yourself?
You mentioned you were in the trades. What did you do?

Looks Good Rich,

Did you set the tile yourself?

Yes

You mentioned you were in the trades. What did you do
just about all of them, except actually build a house ;)

how do you attach a pic and make it show up on a a pic instead of a link?

Upload it to some other place on the net then link as a picture...

I have no place to put it.

http://www.imagehosting.us

Thanks Ken

I leave this place for a few days and everyone is so lovy-dovy

Where's the normal strife, malice, hypocrisy, and out right animosity, that I have gotten so used to?

And have you noticed that the number of post has dwindled as well? Maybe humans need a little turbulence to keep us interested.

It’s a proven fact that the coral grows strongest on the seaward side?

Be carefull what you wish for, Cols on the mend... :)

Can’t be all bad, Rich needs some help holding up his end of the deal.

Can’t be all bad, Rich needs some help holding up his end of the deal.
Rich doesn't need any help holding his end up thank you :cool:

Rich doesn't need any help holding his end up thank you :cool:

Rolling on the floor

Rolling on the floor
Well sit up and pay attention!
Your constitution's centuries out of date, this restriction on a President not exceeding two terms needs changing.
I used to think that was too restrictive but now with the current incumbent it's obviously too generous.
Instead of two terms, if it's a Republican it should be restricted to two months or maybe a try before you buy policy.
That's the first one, many more need a slight alteration too

Well sit up and pay attention!
Your constitution's centuries out of date,...

This is coming from a person who has a Queen for a leader :p

This is coming from a person who has a Queen for a leader :p
sayeth the man with a horses ass for a leader :rolleyes: :p

Whom, unlike you, we will be able to be rid of him in time... :)

Whom, unlike you, we will be able to be rid of him in time... :)
It's a pity he didn't have sex with a tart and then lie about it, you could have had him impeached or even impaled :rolleyes:
Lie about causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people and you get away with it, how odd. I wonder where he'd be now if those 30,000 innocent Iraqis had been Americans? :rolleyes:
oh and we don't want to get rid of the Queen by the way, she stands for everything that freedom and democracy really means :p

Impeached. Yeah that did a lot... got him right out of office, didn't it...

Sorry.. I forgot, like the freedom and freedom and democracy the royals brought to India, Jamacia, etc., etc., etc...

Sorry.. I forgot, like the freedom and freedom and democracy the royals brought to India, Jamacia, etc., etc., etc...

Sorry Ken but your starting to lashout aimlessly like certain others, history shows that the Empire was initially started for commercial reasons and in the areas mentioned after we got stuffed by the Dutch who could afford to fight.

Infact one of the reasons we didn't worry too much about losing the American colonies was that they were costing money unlike the Carribean which was providing riches, ok it was short sighted but what do you expect from politicians and accountants :D

Brian

Sorry. I withdraw and apologize. :o

Infact one of the reasons we didn't worry too much about losing the American colonies was that they were costing money unlike the Carribean which was providing riches, ok it was short sighted but what do you expect from politicians and accountants :D

Brian
Yeah but look at what we've given them back since :eek:

Impeached. Yeah that did a lot... got him right out of office, didn't it...
...
But then Bill hadn't done anything wrong, had he :p

Yeah but look at what we've given them back since :eek:

You'll have to help me out here? :confused:

Brian

Sorry. I withdraw and apologize. :o

No offense taken, it is the boxing ring ;)

Brian

Your constitution's centuries out of date...
I guess that's the pitfall of actually having a written Constitution :rolleyes:

I guess that's the pitfall of actually having a written Constitution :rolleyes:
Amongst many others, why not rip it up and start again? :eek:

You'll have to help me out here? :confused:

Brian
Newfoundland, Bermuda, the West lndies and British Guiana, Claim to the worlds first electronic computer, the microwave, the jet engine, their language :cool:

Amongst many others, why not rip it up and start again? :eek:


Growing bored with insulting the president you now move to the Constitution?

It has inspired most of the free world, not to mention the very freedoms you enjoy. Most free nations can trace their roots to the US Constitution.

Try to limit your attacks to subjects where there is at least a chance, that you may be correct.

not to mention the very freedoms you enjoy
we're not free and neither are you, although we're more free than you, if you want to carry on believing the brainwashing issued forth by your establishment then so be it, but your constitution had nothing to do with our freedom however limited that may be.
I don't need to insult Bush either, he is an insult

we're not free and neither are you, although we're more free than you, if you want to carry on believing the brainwashing issued forth by your establishment then so be it, but your constitution had nothing to do with our freedom however limited that may be.
I don't need to insult Bush either, he is an insult



In what way do you enjoy more freedom then us?
You keep spewing this kind of rhetoric and the only one convinced by it, is yourself. For such a smart guy you do exhibit some fairly close minded concepts.

In what way do you enjoy more freedom then us?
.
We aren't encumbered by the Patriot act to start with, tell me is covenant over property still legal over there?

[QUOTE=Rich]We aren't encumbered by the Patriot act to start with,/QUOTE]


So far, I think, only a hand full of people have been affected by the Patriot Act.

Judging by the feed back I hear from your side of the Atlantic; the news you get on the good old USA is highly biased.

People can completely withdraw from the system and move about unencumbered.

How do you define freedom? I suspect that if you are truly interested in finding out about us instead of posting irrelevant (however clever and humorous) statements. You would probably find yourself surprised and delighted.

My girl friend and I went to upstate PA last night to visit my great aint. I was perfectly free to go to the local store and buy some Lebanon bologna, made right there in Amish country (its some of the finest lunch meat in the whole world).

I didn’t need Bush propaganda to figure that one out.

What other freedoms am I missing?

[QUOTE=Rich]We aren't encumbered by the Patriot act to start with,/QUOTE]


So far, I think, only a hand full of people have been affected by the Patriot Act.


Isn't the Patriot act aimed at Americans? :confused:

Isn't the Patriot act aimed at Americans? :confused:

Yes it broadens the surveillance powers of the federal government to allow better tracking of potential terrorist.

Most Americans freedoms in some ways are acually enhanced by the act.

As the powers to investigate are expanded the amount of information collects at an unmanageable rate. This makes it counter productive to continue to investigate leads that are obviously benign. The danger here is that investigators have more freedom to initiate personal witch hunts. So the system needs to have some powerful and credible oversight to eliminate this possibility.

But logic would dictate that this act has other merit as well. For the most part of human history, villages provided their own policing. The local “law” pretty much knew who the bad guys were, and acted accordingly. As the populations have expanded beyond this capability, new methods had to be designed. But the propensity for abuse, by an individual law enforcement agent has always existed. At any time in the past if a policeman wanted someone dead, it pretty much would happen. At least now we are actually watching them as much or more than they are watching us.

There’s always a balance between liberty and protection. We will see the pendulum swing back in the near future.

It’s my understanding that Great Britain has many more video surveillance cameras than does the US. Doesn’t this pose a threat to British freedom?

We don't see video surveillance cameras as a threat to our freedom; they're an aid to crime detection.
The Patriot act though is aimed squarely at the people it's supposed to protect, a nonsense if ever there was

We don't see video surveillance cameras as a threat to our freedom; they're an aid to crime detection.
Well, the Patriot Act is designed specifically to aid in crime detection and, to a lesser degree, enforcement.

The Patriot act though is aimed squarely at the people it's supposed to protect, a nonsense if ever there was
And your cameras aren't aimed at the people they're there to help protect? Are the cameras exclusively installed in criminals homes, then? Seems rather unnecessary... :confused:

Well, the Patriot Act is designed specifically to aid in crime detection and, to a lesser degree, enforcement.


I thought it was introduced because of the terrorist threat to the US? :confused:

And your cameras aren't aimed at the people they're there to help protect? Are the cameras exclusively installed in criminals homes, then? Seems rather unnecessary... :confused

The cameras are on the streets and other vulnerable areas, because that's where most crime takes place, but the cameras aren't there to investigate those who are going about their legitimate business.
I take the point you're making but I think you agree that the Patriot act is far more invasive than a camera

I thought it was introduced because of the terrorist threat to the US? :confused:



The cameras are on the streets and other vulnerable areas, because that's where most crime takes place, but the cameras aren't there to investigate those who are going about their legitimate business.
I take the point you're making but I think you agree that the Patriot act is far more invasive than a camera

As I said earlier.

The ability of the citizenry to keep track of the government has actually increased faster than the other way. The errant law enforcement officer, or any government employee for that mater, is much more likely to be spotted than ever before.

We tend to negate that fact in these types of discussions.

So we both, the US and the UK, live with surveillance; back to my question. How do you think you have more freedom then us?

I take the point you're making but I think you agree that the Patriot act is far more invasive than a camera
I agree. But I think jsanders' point is that the Patriot Act, in practice, is not seriously detrimental to individuals' freedom. While the analysts were outraged at some of the violations of privacy the Act potentially allows, they're just not happening.

As an aside, the Patriot Act was designed in response to terrorism, yes, but it applies to internal law enforcement as well.

[QUOTE=Rich] I was perfectly free to go to the local store and buy some Lebanon bologna, made right there in Amish country

Since it's not made in Lebanon how can it be called Lebanon bologna, is it made under licence to the Lebanese?


(its some of the finest lunch meat in the whole world).


How do you know this ? :confused:


What other freedoms am I missing?

Fancy a holiday to the sun drenched beaches of Cuba? :rolleyes:

Morning Neighbor,

This forum is starting to resemble the coffee shops my dad took us too in our youth.
It seams to be getting more civilized. We’re actually having conversations that are pleasant yet interesting.


Since it's not made in Lebanon how can it be called Lebanon bologna, is it made under licence to the Lebanese?:

You know I have no idea where it got its name. I do know that the Germans settled that part of Pennsylvania and the culture there is very different then else where in this country. For one thing the food they have in the stores is grown locally and it prepared more carefully than most other places.

So I did a Google on it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lebanon+bologna&spell=1

You just never know what you’ll find on a Google search. Some interesting reading there about the Germans and the microbiology of Lebanon bologna.

Turns out it’s just about Lebanon County in PA. But I still don’t know where it got its name.



How do you know this ? :confused:

That for a change was totally an opinion.




Fancy a holiday to the sun drenched beaches of Cuba? :rolleyes:

We’re not even allowed to have trade with them as well. But that’s sort of fun. We all get our Cuban cigars from a mail order supplier in Hong Kong or something like that. Some of the guys from the tobacco store arrange trips there through Canada.

Most Americans think the whole Cubin thing is a big joke, except the Cuban Americans of course. They’re why we still don’t have relations with Cuba.

This forum is starting to resemble the coffee shops my dad took us too in our youth.

.

Drinking at such a young age is irresponsible



That for a change was totally an opinion.


Not from where I sit


Most Americans think the whole Cubin thing is a big joke, except the Cuban Americans of course. They’re why we still don’t have relations with Cuba

I see, so in America minority groups make government policy? :confused:

I see, so in America minority groups make government policy? :confused:


Good Question Mr. Rich

It’s about our idiotic and antiquated method of using the Electoral College to elect our presidents.

You see Florida is a large population state, not like California, New York, or Texas, but larger than average. I think most states have an all or none policy about their electoral votes. So in an important swing state like Florida all the Cubin Americans have to do is vote as a block and all the Florida votes go to one candidate.

Florida was the swing state in the 2004 Elections.

So yeah in some cases the minority can have a disproportionate affect.

We, the so called thinking people, tend to view the world as a debate between one way of accomplishing something or another. We condone or condemn actions against evil or tyranny, as excessive or insufficient, depending on our latest point of view.

But when anyone is confronted with the personal consequences of destructive acts, it seems their paradigm shifts.

The true enemies of mankind are really not the undesirable leaders of free countries. It’s the ones bent on destruction of any kind that threaten us.

We are all going to need to work together to quell this trend, less our children live in a worse world than us.

The true enemies of mankind are really not the undesirable leaders of free countries. It’s the ones bent on destruction of any kind that threaten us.

I agree, its the undesirable leaders of the free countries that are bent on destruction of any kind that threaten us;)

Did you know that in the foyer of the Al-Rashid hotel in Baghdad there is a huge floor mosaic of George Bush senior, put there by Saddam in thanks to all the "help" he had from him during his term.:rolleyes:

Col

Did you know that in the foyer of the Al-Rashid hotel in Baghdad there is a huge floor mosaic of George Bush senior, put there by Saddam in thanks to all the "help" he had from him during his term.

I wonder if that belonged in the useless facts thread.:D

The irony never ends, does it?

I wonder if that belonged in the useless facts thread.:D
Hi Tess - most of my facts belong there;)

The true enemies of mankind are really not the undesirable leaders of free countries.
.

Hi Uncle Joe, please define a free country and then name them for us


It’s the ones bent on destruction of any kind that threaten us.

Kennedy, Nixon, Raygun, Bush2 ????????????:confused:

Hi Uncle Joe, please define a free country and then name them for us



Kennedy, Nixon, Raygun, Bush2 ????????????:confused:


I guess you have to leave off GB for their persecutions of the Irish.

I guess you have to leave off GB for their persecutions of the Irish.
I see you're new here Joseph and therefore haven't quite got the grasp of this yet.
I'm talking 20th and 21st cent. you're going back several centuries and please try to answer the question:mad:

I see you're new here Joseph and therefore haven't quite got the grasp of this yet.
I'm talking 20th and 21st cent. you're going back several centuries and please try to answer the question:mad:


You don’t really think I'm new here, do you?

I'm back.

I guess you’ll have to tighten up a little rich. I let you off for a day or two.

You don’t really think I'm new here, do you?

I'm back.

I guess you’ll have to tighten up a little rich. I let you off for a day or two.
Well bugger me, I thought it was your sister, certainly posted like a woman.........

is not offended. :p

I thought it was your sister, certainly posted like a woman Too late for compliments, Rich. He'll not likely buy it. I however, thought the posts were typically mannish!

Originally Posted by Rich
I see you're new here Joseph and therefore haven't quite got the grasp of this yet.
I'm talking 20th and 21st cent. you're going back several centuries and please try to answer the question


Uhuh.

Well bugger me, I thought it was your sister, certainly posted like a woman.........


In that case it should have been Josephine.

II'm talking 20th and 21st cent. you're going back several centuries and please try to answer the question:mad:

I think we started this argument a couple of days ago Mr. Rich.

And if memory serves the US and GB were about even when we left off. Care to pick it up again.

Now that I’m thinking about it.

This whole thing about the new login names has gotten me to thinking. Why don’t you create a new one and argue with yourself.

Now THAT would be fun to read.

Rich and his alter ego.

Uhuh.




In that case it should have been Josephine.
Yes I thought you couldn't spell your name correctly, but good manners prevented me from pointing it out :cool:

I see you're new here Joseph and therefore haven't quite got the grasp of this yet.
I'm talking 20th and 21st cent. you're going back several centuries and please try to answer the question:mad:

By the way thank you for calling me Joseph. The people that respect me the most generally call me that.

By the way thank you for calling me Joseph. The people that respect me the most generally call me that.
Just goes to show how different cultures misinterpret even the simplest of statements

Just goes to show how different cultures misinterpret even the simplest of statements


It never ends.

I continue on with this endeavor in the hopes that my worst student, although capable, yet misguided, will rise up from the quagmire of his tormented mind.

And join the human consciousness.

Now can we talk about real issues and stop playing one ups man ship.

If you actually directed your mind to be more constructive, we might start an intellectual revolution. It’s happening all over the world. People are getting together and looking for ways to promote the general welfare, for all mankind.

I get a news letter from the Population Coalition an organization with a charter to raise the consciousness of people so many minds can be working towards solving the really big problems the human race faces now.

The real shame of it is that many very intelligent people (like Access developers) spend time bickering about what’s wrong, instead of finding ways to fix it. I realize fixing is harder that griping, and maybe less fun.

But oh so much more, rewarding.

But Josephine, you haven't offered up anything to make the world a better place. It's obvious from so many posters from across the pond that change and social justice just isn't going to happen over there, well certainly not whilst the current chimp's in charge anyway:rolleyes:

If that’s the way you want to play it.

Fine.

Would some of you unprejudiced 3rd parties out there start a score?

Any time someone offers a solution and anytime someone offers a moronic reply.
Maybe in the pile of overwhelming evidence, ignorance might be quelled.

See, my first documented solution.

I get a news letter from the Population Coalition an organization with a charter to raise the consciousness of people so many minds can be working towards solving the really big problems the human race faces now.

The answer is simple - as you all know, the consciousness of the American people has already worked it out.

Once you solve your big problem in the White House maybe some progress can be made and hopefully then, the UK could be run by the British and not the White House - Just don't make the mistake of voting in his brother for 4 years if he runs.
Sadly though, it'll take many years to undo all the damage thats been done by the present lodger, even if it can be undone - people (in the world) have very long memories.

Col

Until they need another hand out.

You see Josey I have the same argument with my bank, they want to charge me for the benefit of lending me my own money, now who was it that made you rich in the first place? :confused: :p

American Ingenuity; genetic and cultural diversity; abundant natural rescores; great universities; strong work ethic.


Or maybe it was the Europeans and the Asians hell bent on destroying the world.

American Ingenuity; genetic and cultural diversity; abundant natural rescores; great universities; strong work ethic.


Or maybe it was the Europeans and the Asians hell bent on destroying the world.
Joey, it wasn't us who led the charge into Iraq, 'nam, Cuba Panama, etc. the list goes on..................................:rolleyes:

Yeah your right, I wasn’t thinking of little skirmishes, I was thinking of the 2 previous global conflicts.

And how we got to be so rich, after the Europeans bombed each other industries into the ground. And the US was happy to bail you guys out then.

Posh, how soon they forget.

Yeah your right, I wasn’t thinking of little skirmishes, I was thinking of the 2 previous global conflicts.

And how we got to be so rich, after the Europeans bombed each other industries into the ground. And the US was happy to bail you guys out then.

Posh, how soon they forget.
How incorrect your history lessons are, you needed a strong and vibrant economy in Europe for your own exports and to stand in the way of a Soviet attack on the US:rolleyes:

How incorrect your history lessons are, you needed a strong and vibrant economy in Europe for your own exports and to stand in the way of a Soviet attack on the US:rolleyes:


I knew about the creating markets part. It was a win win.

If you have to remember one side it seams to me that you would choose to remember the rebuilding one. I mean from an enlightened European point of view and all.

If you have to remember one side it seams to me that you would choose to remember the rebuilding one. I mean from an enlightened European point of view and all.

No, you just lent us some money at very high interest rates and we're still repaying it:mad:
Shylocks or .ollocks, take your pick:p

No, you just lent us some money at very high interest rates and we're still repaying it:mad:
Shylocks or .ollocks, take your pick:p

Sorry, but my limited American education must be showing.
I don't know .ollocks

Sorry, but my limited American education must be showing.

Not for the first time it must be said, try putting a B at the start of the word

No, you just lent us some money at very high interest rates and we're still repaying it:mad:
Yeah... cuz the $2 trillion the U.S. owes to other countries is interest-free :rolleyes:

Yeah... cuz the $2 trillion the U.S. owes to other countries is interest-free :rolleyes:
That 2trillion has been frittered away though, mostly on lost causes

Yeah your right, I wasn’t thinking of little skirmishes, I was thinking of the 2 previous global conflicts.

And how we got to be so rich, after the Europeans bombed each other industries into the ground. And the US was happy to bail you guys out then.

Posh, how soon they forget.

There was no altruism on the part of America it took all of Britain's overseas investments in exchange for a few old warshipd before it was forced into the war. America was the only country richer at the end of the war than at the start.

Don't worry Rich they even think they won the war of Independence by them selves, France and Spain are never mentioned.

Brian

And they still owe us back tax on a consignment of tea!
I hereby demand the sum of $1,000,000,0000 being back tax and interest due.
Make the cheque out to me and I'll see that it goes to a good cause :cool:

And they still owe us back tax on a consignment of tea!
I hereby demand the sum of $1,000,000,0000 being back tax and interest due.
Make the cheque out to me and I'll see that it goes to a good cause :cool:

Excellent Rich. The ColinEssex musical benefit night fund will be pleased to receive it from you.:D

There was no altruism on the part of America it took all of Britain's overseas investments in exchange for a few old warshipd before it was forced into the war. America was the only country richer at the end of the war than at the start.

Don't worry Rich they even think they won the war of Independence by them selves, France and Spain are never mentioned.

Brian


It's taught to us in school. We all know the relationship we had with France and Spain. They had good cause to see the British Empire divided into pieces. Another example of win win.

And they still owe us back tax on a consignment of tea!
I hereby demand the sum of $1,000,000,0000 being back tax and interest due.
Make the cheque out to me and I'll see that it goes to a good cause :cool:

One little costume party and suddenly we're in debt for generations. At least you're asking for repayment in dollars rather than pounds.

Regards,
Tim

At least you're asking for repayment in dollars rather than pounds.

Regards,
Tim
Always glad to help support the dollar:D

Excellent Rich. The ColinEssex musical benefit night fund will be pleased to receive it from you.:D
Well since it's Christmas and I'm a charitable sort of person, you will get a small lumped donation:cool:

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?
And, would GWB have had a chance as PM?

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?
In control ;)


And, would GWB have had a chance as PM

Definitely NOT!:D

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?
That's an extremely interesting question. I'm sure we'll see some thought-provoking answers...:D

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?
And, would GWB have had a chance as PM?

Would there have been a GWB, or worse no Jazz no Elvis, no Buddy.. heck the mind boggles at the possibilites, mind you Australia was only developed after we got kicked out of America so no Mike375? all clouds can have silver linings:D

Brian

As a second thought if the moderates in England had prevailed and the colonists had been treated responsibily , stayed as colonies would the balance of power shifted so that the mother country became second fiddle? Would the enormous power such a combination would have had have rotally corrupted its people? would it have developed into a world government ? Would... hey you could go on ..for well ages.

Brian

Would... hey you could go on ..for well ages.
That's a good point. I guess so much has happened in the last 200 years that it'd be pretty much impossible to even make a guess as to how events would have played out differently.

Would the economic and social tensions that spawned the U.S. civil war have gotten to that level if the British government still controlled the colonies?

Would World Wars I & II even have occurred if Britian completely controlled the American industrial might?

Would the United Nations exist? Would anyone know the difference?

How would events have been different if no President of the U.S.A. had been involved?

Too many questions...

Would the Indians still be a thriving race?

Would the Indians still be a thriving race?
Hell no, the British taught us all we needed to know about conquering continents.

Would the Indians still be a thriving race?
Lol...who sent the people that killed the Indians in the first place?

Lol...who sent the people that killed the Indians in the first place?
Germany :cool:

Germany :cool:

Actually the French had some pretty good run-ins with the natives as well.

Germany :cool:
Well, Spain really, but only Native North Americans count... :rolleyes:

Lol...who sent the people that killed the Indians in the first place?
I don't know... America seems to bear the blame and the stigma of committing genocide. We were alone in our barbarism, weren't we?

Actually the colonists gone on pretty well with the indians who fought on both sides during the war of independence, it was only the massive expansion of America that saw the major conflicts take place, and i don't think the same happened in Canada.

Brian

Actually the colonists gone on pretty well with the indians who fought on both sides during the war of independence, it was only the massive expansion of America that saw the major conflicts take place, and i don't think the same happened in Canada.

Brian


You’re referring to the plains Indians. It’s easy to lump them all together. But the conflicts were decades apart.

The genocide of the plains Indians was indeed a purely American endeavor, battle hardened soldiers form the Civil War were put in charge of dealing with the “Indian problem”.

That’s the period where we killed all the bison to deplete their food supply.

The prier conflicts had been settled more or less by the time of the American Revolution. By both the settlers and the Europeans.

Are you saying that the early settlers didnot get along with the Indians?
I know the contacts with the Indians took place over centuries not just decades before the massacres, that was my point.

Brian

Are you saying that the early settlers didnot get along with the Indians?
I know the contacts with the Indians took place over centuries not just decades before the massacres, that was my point.

Brian


I’m agreeing with you. The conflicts were not linier in the eastern part of the continent, as you said they got along and they had wars. There were many different tribes and many different relationships. The conflicts in the east go all the way back to the 1500s.

The conflicts on the plains were very linier and relentless until the natives were either dead or in concentration camps.

Most of the movies you’ve seen are about them. With horses the Spaniards brought over 200 years earlier.

I am no expert by any means. I haven’t actually thought about this in years. It’s interesting to rethink it in the context of the current political climate though.

I’m part native myself, actually my mother is a legal native. It’s surprising to think how little I actually know about my own ancestors.

Actually the French had some pretty good run-ins with the natives as well.
And they carried on in 'nam 'till you took over;)

The conflicts on the plains were very linier and relentless until the natives were either dead or in concentration camps.

That's 'cause the white man pinched their land to make way for the ironhorse



I’m part native myself, actually my mother is a legal native.

What's "legal native" mean anyway, aren't all those who have legal citizenship regarded as legal?:confused:

It’s surprising to think how little I actually know about my own ancestors.

and shameful:p did your Mum not discuss her ancestry?

and shameful:p did your Mum not discuss her ancestry?
Sure, but all she said was that her prom theme was "Fire":p

That's 'cause the white man pinched their land to make way for the ironhorse




What's "legal native" mean anyway, aren't all those who have legal citizenship regarded as legal?:confused:



and shameful:p did your Mum not discuss her ancestry?


Legal Native is defined as a minimum ¼ Native American

Yes my mother did discuss it. Records from that part of the country during those times were ephemeral at best. My mother’s native ancestors were actually 3 generations removed but marriages from 2 different branches of our tree gave us twice the percentage. So she’s actually 2/8ths instead of 1/4th


Texas was a frontier longer than a lot of other places. Truly its population didn’t really take off until after Air-conditioning was invented.

Lots of records got lost and we had to rely on folk-lore. Some of it was very erroneous.

Legal Native is defined as a minimum ¼ Native American
.
Yes but what's the purpose of the term, aren't those who's families have lived there for generations regarded as legal?

The term has meaning as for legal rights to Individual Indian Monies, rights to Tribal lands, minerals, oil rights, etc.

I see, so would JJ have a legal claim or is he now too far removed?

The term has meaning as for legal rights to Individual Indian Monies, rights to Tribal lands, minerals, oil rights, etc.
Any cool condos on those Tribal lands?

I see, so would JJ have a legal claim or is he now too far removed?
I'm one generation too far removed.

I'm one generation too far removed.
So unless Indians continue to marry Indians the term legal native will eventually disappear from your language, what'll happen to the mineral rights etc?:confused:

Oooohhhh... I'm sure someone will come along to claim them...:rolleyes:

that's what I figured:D

;) That's why I was asking about the condos!

wouldn't a Casino be a better claim?

Probably ... most housing isn't that good.

So unless Indians continue to marry Indians the term legal native will eventually disappear from your language, what'll happen to the mineral rights etc?:confused:
The last man standing is pretty darn rich. Mr. Rich

That depends on whether that person is a nonIndian Indian or a nonIndian nonIndian.

My reply is not faceious (sp), but sorta(sp) close to the real definitions used. I used to know all the designations, but haven't worked with it for almost four years now.

One of the most important “rights” is the right to be qualified as a legal minority. So you can get special privileges from Uncle Sam. Like becoming an 8A set aside for disadvantaged businesses.

The Federal Government is required by law to give special privileges to minority and other small businesses.
Native Americans actually get additional layers of assistance.

Well I could come over and claim to be in the minority then:D

Well I could come over and claim to be in the minority then:D

I’m sure that would work out real well for you with the current administration.

The government contracts would be headed your way. That is to say contracts would be rewarded.

I'll only accept if I'm paid a decent wage

I'll only accept if I'm paid a decent wage

I was thinking you probably would not like the type of contracts the government took out on you. hehehe

What's the charge, being a terror? Of course under Bush's rule there doesn't have to be a charge, does there? :mad:

What's the charge, being a terror? Of course under Bush's rule there doesn't have to be a charge, does there? :mad:
I’m sorry Rich; I just couldn’t help setting you off.

I’m sorry Rich; I just couldn’t help setting you off.
you needn't apologise for giving me further reason to continue with my mission:cool: :p

Mission Impossible??? You are Tom Cruise's alter ego. Who would have thunk it!;) :rolleyes:

Mission Impossible??? You are Tom Cruise's alter ego. Who would have thunk it!;) :rolleyes:
Bloody awful film, only pushed slightly higher in the rankings by the even worse war of the worlds:rolleyes:

The genocide of the plains Indians was indeed a purely American endeavor.
Yes and you're about to celebrate their slaughter with your Thanksgiving festival, any chance you'll be sparing a thought for the 16,000,000 lost during your ethnic cleansing years? :rolleyes:
Land of the free, home of the brave????

That's right...Chief Rich Okechobee. We fight for many moons. ;)

Geronimooooooooooooooo

If we had stayed British colonies, where do you think we would be now?
And, would GWB have had a chance as PM?
If America was a colony of the UK (not UK as a colony of America as it is now) I reckon the USA would still have trodden a similar path. Australia is pretty much doing their own thing but still part of the Commonwealth.

I think America would have been too headstrong to be a Commonwealth country and would have forced a split anyway - thus spoiling our "special relationship" where you tell our PM what to do.

GWB as PM - no because we elect the one who gets most votes polled not the one who can buy the Florida vote / outcome.

Can you imagine it? an American as PM?:eek: we'll consider it when the USA votes in a non-white female as President.;)

Col

History lesson

Year 1905 : Britania rules the waves

Year 2005 : Britania waives the rules

I stayed in Croyden (suburb of London) one night last week. I attended a prayer meeting in a Baptist Church there. It was a great experince. Really enjoyed it. Croyden is a nice place. Hope to spend few more days in London next spring.

UK is great country (do not believe what Rich and Col say).

I stayed in Croyden (suburb of London) one night last week. I attended a prayer meeting in a Baptist Church there. It was a great experince. Really enjoyed it. Croyden is a nice place. Hope to spend few more days in London next spring.

UK is great country (do not believe what Rich and Col say).
The UK is a good place to live, I am quite happy to live here even if we are ruled by Washington. - but we do have some strange things happening - for example,
a town hired 2 reindeer to pull a sleigh for a Christmas parade. The reindeer were subsequently banned by the health and safety executive because of a health risk if anyone touched them. There would not be hand washing facilities available.
They are getting around it by having a council official walking alongside with antiseptic hand wipes for people that touch the reindeer.
The Scottish owners of the reindeer were not happy because the reindeer are clean and washed etc.

Col

The public transport sucks though! :mad:
AND
we pay a small fortune for road tax and most of the roads are yuck! (more noticeable in my wee mini but...still a valid point to make mes thinks):rolleyes:

other European countries simply wouldn't stand the kind of problems we have with trains / busses / roads etc :confused:

Isn't Croydon around the Gatwick area? :confused:

The reindeer were subsequently banned by the health and safety executive because of a health risk if anyone touched them. There would not be hand washing facilities available.
They are getting around it by having a council official walking alongside with antiseptic hand wipes for people that touch the reindeer.
The Scottish owners of the reindeer were not happy because the reindeer are clean and washed etc.

Col

Does that mean rag and bone men are banned too?:rolleyes:
Between Bliar and the HSE the country's turning into a ....ing joke:mad:

Isn't Croydon around the Gatwick area? :confused:
Thats Crawley :rolleyes: - Croydon is a suburb of London where the red buses go.

There's loads of things to moan about in the UK - but generally speaking its ok, I think we are very lucky.

Col

Thats Crawley :rolleyes: - Croydon is a suburb of London where the red buses go.

There's loads of things to moan about in the UK - but generally speaking its ok, I think we are very lucky.

Col


And why wouldn’t you be?

Ya’ll are like our little cousins.

And why wouldn’t you be?

Ya’ll are like our little cousins.
I think the UK is quite popular with Americans, they like our "quaint" little ways and our china tea cups.

I was chatting with some Americans recently in Starbucks in Oxford St (London) and they were saying how they "lurve evrything being so small and compact - its real cute":rolleyes:

Col

I was chatting with some Americans recently in Starbucks in Oxford St (London) and they were saying how they "lurve evrything being so small and compact - its real cute":rolleyes:

Col

They'd REALLY love Japan then!

I must say that Americans for the most part truly love the British.

It’s interesting; I think the one binder that actually has the most power, is the language.

Or maybe the movies.

The British make really good ones. And a lot of the best ones are in collaboration with American’s. The same thing is happening in Canada (actually more in Canada), New Zealand, and Australia now days as well.

All of our best friends internationally either speak English as their primary language, or as their strong second, and it seams like we make movies together.


So I guess the answer to solving global conflict is for everyone to speak English, and then we can do some joint movie ventures, problems solved.

Damn I’m good.

So I guess the answer to solving global conflict is for everyone to speak English, and then we can do some joint movie ventures, problems solved.

Damn I’m good.
That's correct, English and not American, damn I'm better:cool:

Thats Crawley :rolleyes: - Croydon is a suburb of London where the red buses go.
Col

I knew it began with a C

You think America looks more kindly on Britain because so many of us are descendants? (My father's ancestor left Stonham Aspal, Suffolk, England and sailed on the Diligent from Ipswich to America.) http://members.cox.net/oldcolony/families/packard1.shtml

And Britain looks upon us with distain because we "rebelled, and ran away from home"

About the reindeer...why is it okay for people to walk dogs, or ride horses, without sanitation nearby then? That's just insane. Are they suggesting that there would be more disease from a trained and kept reindeer than a dog kept as a pet that may not have been washed in a few months?

About the reindeer...why is it okay for people to walk dogs, or ride horses, without sanitation nearby then? That's just insane. Are they suggesting that there would be more disease from a trained and kept reindeer than a dog kept as a pet that may not have been washed in a few months?


They're trying to kill Christmas.

They're trying to kill Christmas.
well of course, it's offensive to other religions:rolleyes:

They can't kill Christmas! What would the retailers do????

And think about the little people! :(

The little people? You mean Santa's elves? I think they're Union... they could be fine.

My father's ancestor left Stonham Aspal, Suffolk, England and sailed on the Diligent from Ipswich to America
Stonham Aspal is about 35 - 40 miles from where I live;)

Col

Why, then, we're practically neighbors as well as cousins!

And think about the little people! :(
They'll just get more for their birthdays;)

oh, happy Turkey day too

I guess my day in the watercooler are numbered.
Jon built a place for us to argue.

COOL.

Jon built a place for us to argue.


Where; and when are you going to start posting there so we can continue with your corrective therapy? :confused:

Where; and when are you going to start posting there so we can continue with your corrective therapy? :confused:


Iv'e been busy trying to finish up my woodworking business, so I could move on.

woodworking business
I must have missed something, what is that about?

I must have missed something, what is that about?
I posted some pics a while ago.

Iv'e been busy trying to finish up my woodworking business, so I could move on.
You're throwing it away again Joe, stop and think

You're throwing it away again Joe, stop and think

What are you talking about?

The woodworking business is going away on its own. Construction in this area is on the decline.

What are you talking about?

The woodworking business is going away on its own. Construction in this area is on the decline.
The construction industry has always seesawed Joe, only the strong survive.:cool:
Have you gotten firm orders for the new venture, taken deposits ?

The construction industry has always seesawed Joe, only the strong survive.:cool:
Have you gotten firm orders for the new venture, taken deposits ?


You’re thinking that I’m giving up a lucrative woodworking business, to pursue the camera control stuff. Well that would be justification to give me warning.

No; that’s not it.

For the last months my drawing business and my database business have been actually paying most of the bills. And if you factor in the time spent the earnings for both have been substantially higher than the shop.

I have about 4 months worth of work in the shop, after that I won’t be taking any new orders.

I’ll take the time I was spending working in the shop, and use it to rent out my considerable collection of movie making tools.

While continuing to sell my database to more builders and doing drawing for builders.

My days of doing manual labor are coming to an end. From now on out, if I build something, it’s going to be for me. Remember I just got out of a 17 year relationship a year ago and I still need a whole house full of furniture.

Anyway there it is.

Remember I just got out of a 17 year relationship a year ago and I still need a whole house full of furniture.
.

Was it a happy release? :confused:

Was it a happy release? :confused:


It had a bit of bitterness, but alls well that end well. One of the members of this forum is actually my girl friend.

She’s given subtle hints before.

I bet you can’t name her.

I will answer questions about her, if you want to make a little game of it.

I KNOW, I KNOW, It's RICH!

One of the members of this forum is actually my girl friend.

She’s given subtle hints before.

I bet you can’t name her.

I will answer questions about her, if you want to make a little game of it.
No... no.. no. Poor girl's only given subtle hints for a reason. Protect her identity! Don't emblazon her breast with a big scarlet J. :p

I KNOW, I KNOW, It's RICH!
not coming from you it isn't:p

I will answer questions about her, if you want to make a little game of it.


Ok, OK. Question one, does she have all her own hair?
Does she have both her own arms and legs?
Does she have 20/20 vision, and her own ears?

not coming from you it isn't:p
Uuum, this is NOT FoFa, it's umm, TessB.
I KNOW, I KNOW, It's RICH!

Uuum, this is NOT FoFa, it's umm, TessB.
I KNOW, I KNOW, It's RICH!
You mean she's got a split personality?:eek:

I will answer questions about her, if you want to make a little game of it.
Well then damn it man, answer the questions put so far. They're not that difficult surely, or haven't you taken a close look?:confused: :p

Here’s the deal Rich,
None of those questions are about her cyberself.

Here’s a little about her.

She’s 14 years younger than me, and very pretty. She’s nicer than I deserve by a factor of at least 100. She has all her arms, legs and hair, and she can even think.

She has two darling little girls which I adore.

Now did that really help?

I didn’t think so.

She does not want me to finish this so I’ll probably have to discontinue telling you about

She does not want me to finish this so I’ll probably have to discontinue telling you about

Why not??? :confused: ;)

It had a bit of bitterness, but alls well that end well. One of the members of this forum is actually my girl friend.

She’s given subtle hints before.

I bet you can’t name her.

I will answer questions about her, if you want to make a little game of it.

hmmmm...as I'm a police officer by profession, a real detective if you will, I love a good mystery.

Is this a quote of hers? "You must tell him not to miss the Blue Ridge Parkway... especially the lower portion in the North Carolina. Gorgeous! (If you like mountains and waterfalls, that is!)"

Only reason I ask is the poster is from a state not NC, but you are.

hmmmm...as I'm a police officer by profession, a real detective if you will, I love a good mystery.

Is this a quote of hers? "You must tell him not to miss the Blue Ridge Parkway... especially the lower portion in the North Carolina. Gorgeous! (If you like mountains and waterfalls, that is!)"

Only reason I ask is the poster is from a state not NC, but you are.

Errr....my mistake. joe is from Northern Virginia...:rolleyes:

I know, I know, it's Kenny:cool:

No... no.. no. Poor girl's only given subtle hints for a reason. Protect her identity! Don't emblazon her breast with a big scarlet J. :p
Does she have the front to diplay such a large letter?:confused:

Does she have the front to diplay such a large letter?:confused:

I think it's Tess...

I think it's Tess...
Nah, I still think it's Kenny, he/she certainly posts like a female:D

All wrong
She has very few post.

All wrong


Are you sure?

LOL... I HAVE pointed out that I am married.... 21 yrs now...
Gosh, don't you people keep notes?:rolleyes:

P.S. I recognized my quoted post immediately.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

There is no smoke without fire.
Its either Tess or Kenny
or both of the three:D

...if not then its theecholondon (the mini cab driver), you tried to divert the qtn forgetting that you had logged in a jsaders..right.

Maybe it's selenau837.
I'd guess FoFa, but she has more posts than Joe would have us believe his girlfriend has.

Maybe it's selenau837.
I'd guess FoFa, but she has more posts than Joe would have us believe his girlfriend has.

I thaught FOFA was a man.

Texas and Virginia are a long ways from each other.

So, are you saying that your girlfriend is in Virginia?

That would make sense.

I'd guess FoFa, but she has more posts than Joe would have us believe his girlfriend has.
Does that make my wife a lysbian then, sure she will be happy to hear that :eek:

Does that make my wife a lysbian then, sure she will be happy to hear that :eek:

I couldn't imagine how a grumpy old guy like FOFA could posibly be a woman.
lol

You know, last Friday I was 98% sure I had it figured out, low posts, location was close to N. VA and she said her boyfriend was (I think 42) but she was not near that old (or something to that affect). Can't remember where I saw that or who it was today. Sleeping just tears into those memory cells I guess.

Well maybe not, this was the thread I found:
but we got a very late start - I'm 42, my boyfirend is 46 - And he is in school right now, believe it or not, so we were thinking maybe after he gets done with school
Ah, nevermind me.....

I guess I thought of FoFa as a girl because I had taken a class with a woman whose email address was AnnaFoFa.... and everytime I see FoFa, I think of Anna.

Good observation, the quote about boyfriend being in school... but I think the age difference is wider with Joe / mystery woman.

That would make sense.
Of COURSE that would make sense... but is that the truth?:rolleyes:

Of COURSE that would make sense... but is that the truth?:rolleyes:

Tis indeed the truth, and as yet she has only one post. But I suspect that if I keep on talking about her we will hear from her soon.

and as yet she has only one post.
OH MAN! Is she one of those college kids that signs on to ask one question and have us post their homework for them! :rolleyes:

OH MAN! Is she one of those college kids that signs on to ask one question and have us post their homework for them! :rolleyes:


Nope, she made a comment on one of my post weeks ago. Not sure if its still here (the hacker saw to that).

Was it posted in the Watercooler?

I belive so, yes

Nope, she made a comment on one of my post weeks ago.
Did she have to correct your post too?:cool:

Oh! I know.... it was Josephine Sanders!:p

Good observation, the quote about boyfriend being in school... but I think the age difference is wider with Joe / mystery woman.

That would depend on whether the ages posted are correct

Did she have to correct your post too?:cool:

She does that plenty in person thank you.

Got it! it's 'Bushy' Bill

That would depend on whether the ages posted are correct

To whom do you refer?

To whom do you refer?
in this instance, both of you

in this instance, both of you

as stated previously.
Im 45 (for now)
she's 31

I can't imagine why we're even trying to guess. One single post... not like we know her!

That would depend on whether the ages posted are correct
You mean some people may not post their correct year of birth then Rich?;)

Col

You mean some people may not post their correct year of birth then Rich?;)

Col
I've suspected such for many a long year Col:D

I've suspected such for many a long year Col:D
Do you know, there's one poster here who always has their age at 21?

Can you guess who it is yet? [spoken in Rolf Harris voice]

Col

Can you guess who it is yet? [spoken in Rolf Harris voice]

Col
God ? :confused:

God ? :confused:
well. . . . not exactly - does god ride a Guzzi?

Col

well. . . . not exactly - does god ride a Guzzi?

Col
only when I'm on it:D

Do you know, there's one poster here who always has their age at 21?

Can you guess who it is yet? [spoken in Rolf Harris voice]

Col

Whats wrong with being 21? I have been 21 for over 30 years now! :D

I can't imagine why we're even trying to guess. One single post... not like we know her!

Did I say it was going to be easy?
When the doctor spanked you awake, did he say life is fair?

When the doctor spanked you awake, did he say life is fair?

I don't remember that far back. ;)

I don't remember that far back. ;)
To last weekend? :confused: ;)

Did I say it was going to be easy?
When the doctor spanked you awake, did he say life is fair?
No.... but I thought it would at the very least be interesting and worth my time. :rolleyes:

No.... but I thought it would at the very least be interesting and worth my time. :rolleyes:


Is any of this worth our time?

Absolutely! As long as you learn something while you're here....

Absolutely! As long as you learn something while you're here....
Well it's hard work with Josey's education but we won't give up:D

Reading back..Nope not me..but thanks for remembering my name. *giggles*

Y'all do make my day fun watching your banter back and forth. Especially Rich against everyone else. *smiles*

(yes I said y'all, I'm southern)

Well it's hard work with Josey's education but we won't give up:D


Thanks for the chucle.

Thanks for the chucle.
I have to laugh Joey, otherwise I'd become suicidal

One of the members of this forum is actually my girl friend..

Mike375 ???? He probably only had one REAL post. :D