Under Mark Warner’s leadership Virginia became one of the countries best run states. Cooperation between Republicans and Democrats is at its highest in Virginia.

State wide more Republicans voted for Cain (the former Democratic Lt Governor) then ever before.

Mark Warner had an 80% approval rate as Governor.

Mark Warner is the man for the job. Democrats and moderate Republicans should look to Warner as the man that can get the country moving in the right direction.

I’m officially joining the Warner for President Campaign here and now. For the first time in my life, I’m actually going to help with the campaign of a candidate for President of the United States.

Good for you! Maybe I'll encourage Mayor Daley to run ;)

Under Mark Warner’s leadership Virginia became one of the countries best run states. Cooperation between Republicans and Democrats is at it’s highest in Virginia.

When is he starting to improve literacy? ;)

When is he starting to improve literacy? ;)


You absolutely have no idea what you’re talking about.

Once again American schools have a huge disparity from the worst to the middle and best. Our suburban schools are still producing highly educated students.

Northern Virginia public schools are among the best in the nation.

Good for you! Maybe I'll encourage Mayor Daley to run ;)


I’m sorry Kraj but Daley’s not in the league of Warner. Do some research and I think you’ll agree.

He is the best change that the Democrats have for getting elected to the office.

You are probably aware of Virginia’s rise in prominence in the last 10 years. Most of it has to do with Northern Virginia becoming the wealthiest region in the country but a lot of it has to do with the great efforts of the State Government to work things out. This is a traditionally Republican state that is in full support of its Democratic Governors.

This is a model that can be duplicated around the country, and at the national level as well.

You absolutely have no idea what you’re talking about.

The proof was there on the page:

Under Mark Warner’s leadership Virginia became one of the countries best run states. Cooperation between Republicans and Democrats is at it’s highest in Virginia.

:D

First things first Stu, I mean do we really need to know where the Middle East is on the map in order to know we shouldn't be there?

:D :D

The proof was there on the page:



:D


hehehehe,

Sorry about that, math and science were always my strongest subjects. I can surely butcher any well constructed sentence.

Plus I’m from Texas, we don’t speak regular English there.

The proof was there on the page:



:D

Thanks I went back and edited it.

I’m sorry Kraj but Daley’s not in the league of Warner. Do some research and I think you’ll agree.
Hmmmm...well I don't know anything about Warner, but Daley was voted best mayor in the country and is one hell of a politician. It'd take an awful lot to convince me someone is out of his league.

Sorry about that, math and science were always my strongest subjects. I can surely butcher any well constructed sentence.
Don't you mean "well-constructed"? ;) :D

Hmmmm...well I don't know anything about Warner, but Daley was voted best mayor in the country and is one hell of a politician. It'd take an awful lot to convince me someone is out of his league.


Maybe that was an exaggeration.

They should teem up, and kick some Republican butts.

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Don't you mean "well-constructed"? ;) :D

Probably, but who cares?

I’m from Texas. Remember?

Thanks I went back and edited it.


Pssst, country's is possessive; countries is plural. :p

Pssst, country's is possessive; countries is plural. :p

That was a typo. But thanks anyway.

Are you guys going to make this entire thread about my minor punctuation errors?

Please don’t stop there, you should work on my spelling next. And when that becomes boring, feel free to engage me about my typing.

Maybe that was an exaggeration.
You're forgiven ;)

They should teem up, and kick some Republican butts.
Works for me.

Being from Chicago, I could say the worst thing that could happen would be Daley running for Prez. He may have been voted best in the country, but how many of those voters were dead years ago? How many 400 million dollar shiny beans do we need in this country? And pray that his wife doesn’t find anything offensive or disturbing about something you love, less it is bulldozed illegally overnight so as not to have to get the proper authorization.

I have found it hard to find a candidate that I don’t find truly offensive. For the most part they are bought and paid for before entering the game. I will read more on Warner, and see if he could be the one (but won’t hold my breath). I find the Dem agenda a bitter pill to swallow, but then again the Rep party is no better.

Here is an idea, vote for a friend or someone you know. Heck, run for office yourself. I would love to be a write in candidate for office, just to see what kind of shake up a common man can cause.

Being from Chicago, I could say the worst thing that could happen would be Daley running for Prez. He may have been voted best in the country, but how many of those voters were dead years ago? How many 400 million dollar shiny beans do we need in this country? And pray that his wife doesn’t find anything offensive or disturbing about something you love, less it is bulldozed illegally overnight so as not to have to get the proper authorization.

I have found it hard to find a candidate that I don’t find truly offensive. For the most part they are bought and paid for before entering the game. I will read more on Warner, and see if he could be the one (but won’t hold my breath). I find the Dem agenda a bitter pill to swallow, but then again the Rep party is no better.

Here is an idea, vote for a friend or someone you know. Heck, run for office yourself. I would love to be a write in candidate for office, just to see what kind of shake up a common man can cause.

somebody with brains at last :D

Being from Chicago, I could say the worst thing that could happen would be Daley running for Prez. He may have been voted best in the country, but how many of those voters were dead years ago? How many 400 million dollar shiny beans do we need in this country? And pray that his wife doesn’t find anything offensive or disturbing about something you love, less it is bulldozed illegally overnight so as not to have to get the proper authorization.
My bad, he wasn't voted No. 1, he was in the top 5 and it was Time magazine in April of this year. I'd imaging everyone involved in the ranking is still alive :rolleyes:

I really don't know anything about his wife's influence on his actions, but he's made no secrets about his reasons for closing Miggs. Granted, it was a gross misuse of power, but if that's the worst he ever does than that'd be a hell of an improvement over Bush.

As far as Millenium Park goes... the entire park cost $400 million, not one sculpture. About $100 million came out of the fund for city improvements in the loop, about $100 million came from bonds issued, and $200 million came from private donors/sponsors. The bonds issued and maintenance of the park are mostly funded by the parking garage. The park directly costs the taxpayers very, very little.

And what do the taxpayers get from the park? For starters, it's a beautiful park that can be enjoyed for free and hosts free concerts and events. It brings money into the city as a tourist attraction, restaurant, private concert venue, and movie location (there has already been one movie filmed in Chicago that utilized the park).

And what was it before? A golf course.

I love Millenium Park and I think it was a fantastic idea and is ultimately a great thing for the city.

somebody with brains at last :D
Is there a specific part of jeremie's post that spurred this comment, or all of it?

that's the first i've heard of mark warner (i saw his name mentioned in a bbc article too the other day where it was noted he was a potential presidential candidate). i also read in the paper in the last couple of weeks that the next race might be between hilary and condi. does anyone think that there will be an all woman race next time? apparently condi escorting jack straw (uk foreign secretary) around one of the southern states recently was an indication that she was presidential material.

how about one of the american posters putting up a shortlist of potential candidates? or it is all a bit early to get worked up about an election which is years away?!

Certainly Condalisa Rise is the most intelligent person in the Bush administration.

Is there a specific part of jeremie's post that spurred this comment, or all of it?




"I would love to be a write in candidate for office, just to see what kind of shake up a common man can cause."

Certainly Condalisa Rise is the most intelligent person in the Bush administration.
But has she got balls ?

does anyone think that there will be an all woman race next time?
Not a chance.

There's an outside possibility Hilary might run and I'd love to see it happen whether she'd make a good President or not. But there's no way the Republicans will run a black woman when a great deal of the core of their voter base, ie. the south, remains racially motivated.

But has she got balls ?
Now that was funny!

Here is an idea, vote for a friend or someone you know. Heck, run for office yourself.
Don't you have to be in the pocket of big multi-nationals to run for office? They then tell you what to do / how to evade environmental controls / who to invade etc., then you award them huge rebuilding or other contracts with nice fat backhanders for your Swiss accounts.

I'm not sure Mr Ordinary Nice American person could afford it.
Even GWB's inauguration ceremony cost $14million.

Col

Don't you have to be in the pocket of big multi-nationals to run for office? They then tell you what to do / how to evade environmental controls / who to invade etc., then you award them huge rebuilding or other contracts with nice fat backhanders for your Swiss accounts.

I'm not sure Mr Ordinary Nice American person could afford it.
Even GWB's inauguration ceremony cost $14million.

Col

The ultimate Irony is that now DuPont is making home water filters.

Made in China, sold in Wal-Mart.

Even GWB's inauguration ceremony cost $14million.

Col
Wasn't that the scaled down cost, and what the hell's the point of the ceremony anyway ? :confused:

The ultimate Irony is that now DuPont is making home water filters.

Made in China, sold in Wal-Mart.
That's capitalism for you :rolleyes:

But there's no way the Republicans will run a black woman when a great deal of the core of their voter base, ie. the south, remains racially motivated.

Completely void of any accuracy Kraj. Racial tension is a phenomenom perpetuated by liberals who find it's the best way to manipulate people with no logic or self determination. Martin Luther King would be smacking Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even his own wife and kids if he saw what they were doing to the civil rights cause today.

More likely, the reason Conddie might not get elected is because she is viewed as an "Uncle Tom" by the Democratic black community who would just assume die as allow black person to speak against the Democratic rhetoric.

Completely void of any accuracy Kraj.
I disgaree.

Racial tension is a phenomenom perpetuated by liberals
That's a load of crap if I ever heard one. Sorry for a less-than-intellectual response, but there you have it. I suppose when all the southern, white racist politicians migrated to the Republican in party in 1964 (what's that, Strom Thurmond was originally a Democrat?) that was the end of it and we've all learned the error of our ways. :rolleyes:

who find it's the best way to manipulate people with no logic or self determination.
That's pretty much the gameplan of every political campaign. What's your point?

Martin Luther King would be smacking Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even his own wife and kids if he saw what they were doing to the civil rights cause today.
Other than 'his own wife and kids', I'd agree.

More likely, the reason Conddie might not get elected is because she is viewed as an "Uncle Tom" by the Democratic black community who would just assume die as allow black person to speak against the Democratic rhetoric.
Speaking of rhetoric...

And I find this analysis lacking. The Democratic black community is already likely to vote Democrat, so why would a lack of their support affect Rice much? It's whether the white Republicans will support her or not that's the key.

Martin Luther King would be smacking Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even his own wife and kids if he saw what they were doing to the civil rights cause today.
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Other than suggesting hurricanes are God's work, what exactly is Jackson accused of, telling the truth? :confused:

Other than suggesting hurricanes are God's work, what exactly is Jackson accused of, telling the truth? :confused:


Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism. If anyone blames racism as a reason their life is not as successful as it should be is making an excuse. Some politicians capitalize on self pity.

Other than suggesting hurricanes are God's work, what exactly is Jackson accused of, telling the truth? :confused:


Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism. If anyone blames racism, as a reason their life is not as successful as it should be, is making an excuse.

Some politicians capitalize on self pity.

Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism. If anyone blames racism, as a reason their life is not as successful as it should be, is making an excuse.


I'm led to believe that there's not much improvement on racism in the deep south since the 1960's - and that coloured people are still called "ni**ers" and live in tin shacks whilst the white people enjoy all the amemities and have the good jobs.

Col

Grossly exaggerating the prevalence of racism.
Oddly enough that's not how the rest of the world sees it. :rolleyes:

Oddly enough that's not how the rest of the world sees it. :rolleyes:


I guess the rest of the world is victim to the same crap that Americans are. The only news you get, is the kind that makes the most money.

America is by far the most racially integrated nation in the world. And the model that many in the world could learn from.

From the problems we had in the past to where we are today. No other nation has coped with racial integration the way we have and are. We’re decades ahead of Europe on this one. Wait and see, this latest thing in France is just the beginnings of Extreme Racism in Europe.


If you don’t know all this; it is absolutely the fault of your information gathering apparatus.

If you don’t know all this; it is absolutely the fault of your information gathering apparatus.
and if you do know it - its due to the efficiency of your government propoganda machine and your censored TV news programmes. ;) :D

You may well be right though, France may be the tip and it'll spread - very difficult to deal with I think.

Col

and if you do know it - its due to the efficiency of your government propoganda machine and your censored TV news programmes. ;) :D

You may well be right though, France may be the tip and it'll spread - very difficult to deal with I think.

Col

Hey Col,

Welcome back, It just too easy to beat up on Rich when he’s alone.

My information about racism is from living in the most integrated and wealthiest region of the US.

I live in the Mid-Atlantic region, in particular Northern Virginia.

This is the place where the strongest intellectual migration is occurring in the US and maybe in the world. Educated and highly motivated people live here from albinos to jet black people, from Native Americans to Chinese. I doubt white people are a clear majority here. So my friendships and acquaintances range from all over the spectrum.

Very few people here let any kind of racism deter them from their personal goals, and in fact, they tend to look at people from their own race, that use the race card, as whiners, and losers. American culture is about overcoming any obstacle. Be it race, economic back ground or need for education. As long as any person blames anything except themselves for the shape they’re in, very little in the way of personal growth will occur.

So I think cavscout was trying to say something like this in the post that got all this started.

Hey Col,

Welcome back, It just too easy to beat up on Rich when he’s alone.

Thanks, its nice to be back. From the posts I've read it would appear that Rich has been fairly subdued over the last few weeks ;)

My information about racism is from living in the most integrated and wealthiest region of the US.

I live in the Mid-Atlantic region, in particular Northern Virginia.

I take it thats nowhere near Alabama or any of the traditional deep south poor areas then :rolleyes:

To be fair though, I'm not criticising the USA, we too have our racial hotspots and as I said earlier its a very difficult scenario to deal with especially in todays world of easy travel and accessability to most areas of the world.

Col

Thanks, its nice to be back. From the posts I've read it would appear that Rich has been fairly subdued over the last few weeks ;)



I take it thats nowhere near Alabama or any of the traditional deep south poor areas then :rolleyes:

To be fair though, I'm not criticising the USA, we too have our racial hotspots and as I said earlier its a very difficult scenario to deal with especially in todays world of easy travel and accessability to most areas of the world.


Col

One of the things you have to remember about the US is that 80% live in major cities. So the type of racism you are referring to is a very small part of the whole picture.

A derivative of racism that is having a much more pronounced effect, is the victim mentality. And the propensity for inner city people of color to give up because they believe that no matter what they do they cannot succeed.


This business of gangster rap is an obvious example, where they call each other the N word. Can you imagine any benefit from making it acceptable to use derogatory words in that fashion?

Check out the movie “Crash” for a look at some of the real affects of our racist issues. These are subtle, yet the movie was very astute in identifying them.

A derivative of racism that is having a much more pronounced effect, is the victim mentality. And the propensity for inner city people of color to give up because they believe that no matter what they do they cannot succeed.
It would appear they seem to have to prove themselves more so than a white person and they finally give up against overwhelming odds


This business of gangster rap is an obvious example,

I've never heard of this "gangster rap" - I've heard of rap, where they mumble words in a sort of incoherent way

Col

This business of gangster rap is an obvious example, where they call each other the N word. Can you imagine any benefit from making it acceptable to use derogatory words in that fashion?
Yes: it destroys that word's derogatory power by changing the meaning. Oddly enough, the black community apparently wants to integrate that word as a positive part of their culture, but still retain it as an offensive word coming from anyone who isn't black. :confused:

I've never heard of this "gangster rap" - I've heard of rap, where they mumble words in a sort of incoherent way
Ganster rap is a form of rap that celebrates illegal and thuggish behavior - brawling, dealing drugs, voilence against police, etc. - as opposed to the more non-threatening rap of Will Smith and Vanilla Ice.

It would appear they seem to have to prove themselves more so than a white person and they finally give up against overwhelming odds

Col


It’s really no longer a race issue it’s a class issue. It’s getting harder and harder for people from lower income groups to rise to the middle.

Yes: it destroys that word's derogatory power by changing the meaning. Oddly enough, the black community apparently wants to integrate that word as a positive part of their culture, but still retain it as an offensive word coming from anyone who isn't black. :confused:


Ganster rap is a form of rap that celebrates illegal and thuggish behavior - brawling, dealing drugs, voilence against police, etc. - as opposed to the more non-threatening rap of Will Smith and Vanilla Ice.



Kraj, Do you really think it changes the meaning?

I mean if you make a whole culture of distancing yourself from the mainstream, how can you then condemn it. I think that the black culture that is marqueed by that music is damaging the very people that purchase it.

As I said earlier ALL of my black friends (and I have nearly as many black friends as white, and my “white” friends are a smattering of European, Middle Eastern, North Africa, and Native Americans) behave as traditional European Americans, in that they are educated and successful AMERICANS not African Americans. They don’t make a point of being not white.


How did the Asians of the last 20 years or so get to be so successful in our country? They didn’t feel like they couldn’t be, that’s how. It’s all about personal conviction.

And by the way you left out violence against women.

Kraj, Do you really think it changes the meaning?
In thoery or in practice? I think that taking a derogatory term and changing its use removes the derogatory power. For example, if the majority of English speakers only ever used the word "bitch" to refer to a female dog, then on the rare occasion someone called you a bitch then it really wouldn't be offensive. We're only offended by words because we believe we should be.

I mean if you make a whole culture of distancing yourself from the mainstream, how can you then condemn it. I think that the black culture that is marqueed by that music is damaging the very people that purchase it.
I agree. I may be completely missing the point (you know, since I'm a white boy from the suburbs) but I think the culture is born out of the perception that crime is and has been the only way from most of the black community to make a decent living for a long time, so why not embrace and celebrate it? If the white folk want us dealing drugs in the ghetto so badly, then let's make the most of it instead of fighting it? If the cops are going to treat us all like criminals because we're black no matter what we do, then we may as well all be criminals.

I may be completely wrong, but that's the best I can figure out.

And by the way you left out violence against women.
Sorry....my mistake.

America is by far the most racially integrated nation in the world. And the model that many in the world could learn from.
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God your ignorance is encyclopaedic, what colour were those abandoned to their own fate by Bush after Katrina.
Why are there more blacks in prison in Texas than in school, racial integration and justice for all, I don't think so. Do Texans still refer to blacks as BOY by the way?
Do white Texans still lecture the blacks that it was the white man who made the country what it is today and the blacks should be grateful for what they've got?

America is by far the most racially integrated nation in the world. And the model that many in the world could learn from.
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God your ignorance is encyclopaedic, what colour were those abandoned to their own fate by Bush after Katrina.
Why are there more blacks in prison in Texas than in school, racial integration and justice for all, I don't think so. Do Texans still refer to blacks as BOY by the way?
Do white Texans still lecture the blacks that it was the white man who made the country what it is today and the blacks should be grateful for what they've got?
Nope, blacks are still seen as second class citizens by many in your country (including Bush) and anyone who dares to prick the conscience of middle class America by pointing it out is denounced and labelled extremist

While I can't say I agree with jsanders' sentiment completely, I think you're overlooking his earlier point of race vs. economic class. While racism is certianly a factor in American society (especially in the deep south), most of the examples you mentioned are due to the fact that a disproportionate percentage of black Americans are poor or in poverty, not the fact that they're black.

And it's not the people who discuss the issue of racism in this country who are labeled extremists, it's the people who believe everything is a racial issue.

While I can't say I agree with jsanders' sentiment completely, I think you're overlooking his earlier point of race vs. economic class. While racism is certianly a factor in American society (especially in the deep south), most of the examples you mentioned are due to the fact that a disproportionate percentage of black Americans are poor or in poverty, not the fact that they're black.

And it's not the people who discuss the issue of racism in this country who are labeled extremists, it's the people who believe everything is a racial issue.


That’s for sure Kraj.

God your ignorance is encyclopaedic, what colour were those abandoned to their own fate by Bush after Katrina.
Why are there more blacks in prison in Texas than in school, racial integration and justice for all, I don't think so. Do Texans still refer to blacks as BOY by the way?
Do white Texans still lecture the blacks that it was the white man who made the country what it is today and the blacks should be grateful for what they've got?
Nope, blacks are still seen as second class citizens by many in your country (including Bush) and anyone who dares to prick the conscience of middle class America by pointing it out is denounced and labelled extremist


Rich, Rich, Rich,

As usual you’ve got it all backwards.

My ignorance is not encyclopedic; it’s my knowledge, and wisdom.

Rich, Rich, Rich,

As usual you’ve got it all backwards.

My ignorance is not encyclopedic; it’s my knowledge, and wisdom.
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Ganster rap is a form of rap that celebrates illegal and thuggish behavior - brawling, dealing drugs, voilence against police, etc. - as opposed to the more non-threatening rap of Will Smith and Vanilla Ice.

I'm sorry, but I had to post on this HORRIBLE misconception: The rap of Vanilla Ice was THE single worst form of rap and far from being a non-threatening from, it was senses-threatening. From the time the first beat hits till the last "Ice Ice Baby" came from the speaker, the unsuspecting hearer of his rap was at risk of having their head explode!!! No other form of music has celebrated mediocrity as much as Ice Baby's has, at least not until the Simpson sisters came along.

The rap of Vanilla Ice was THE single worst form of rap
You keep misspelling rap:mad:

You keep misspelling rap:mad:
It was George Harrison who said "rap is crap":eek:

Col

It was George Harrison who said "rap is crap":eek:

Col
And who can blame him, and who decided to call what I assume was regarded to be soul music, R&B:mad:

The rap of Vanilla Ice was THE single worst form of rap and far from being a non-threatening from, it was senses-threatening.
Lol... no argument here.

And who can blame him, and who decided to call what I assume was regarded to be soul music, R&B:mad:
R&B is actually quite distinct from Soul. If you take Soul music, and then rip the soul out of it, you have R&B. :p

What is this doing in here?


Under Mark Warner’s leadership Virginia became one of the countries best run states. Cooperation between Republicans and Democrats is at its highest in Virginia.

State wide more Republicans voted for Cain (the former Democratic Lt Governor) then ever before.

Mark Warner had an 80% approval rate as Governor.

Mark Warner is the man for the job. Democrats and moderate Republicans should look to Warner as the man that can get the country moving in the right direction.

Umm...this is the Watercooler, which is why it is under the heading of "Non-Access Issues". Hence, this is where we come to talk about things not relating to Access (or VBA, etc.). If you're looking for VB/VBA stuff you should try looking under those forums.