Mohammed Morsi

[Dick7Access]

I can’t tell if it is a good thing or not, that Mohammed Morsi was elected the new president in Egypt, for a variety of reasons. One for sure, I don’t trust the news media, second I don’t fully understand the position of each side. I am interested of the opinion of Access Forum members that are closer to the situation. What say you?

 

[Lightwave]

I would say congratulations to the people of Egypt on a democratic election and best of luck in establishing an egalitarian society. I hope the military will hand power back to the elected president in due course and hope it will lead to prosperity to the people of Egypt and peace in the middle east.

 

[Dick7Access]

I would say congratulations to the people of Egypt on a democratic election and best of luck in establishing an egalitarian society. I hope the military will hand power back to the elected president in due course and hope it will lead to prosperity to the people of Egypt and peace in the middle east.

Now I don't know this for a fact, and this is not what I am saying or believe. I am just telling you what I heard. Some say that under the brotherhood the people will see more restriction and loss of liberty than they ever imagine. What is your take on that?

 

[Lightwave]

That would be unfortunate but they have the right to determine their own destiny.

 

[Dick7Access]

You are right if the elections were held fair and square the people have spoken. Again, I am an outside and know very little of the circumstance of all that is happing there and we know we can’t trust the media. In your opinion do you think that the people of Egypt could have been duped like the people of America have been by Obama?

 

[Lightwave]

I don't know the position with regard to Obama so I couldn't make a comparison there.

The fact that Mohammed Morsi has resigned from the brotherhood and promised to appoint a variety of groups to serve in his cabinet is a good start.

 

[Steve R.]

What about the Coptic Christians? The US has been actively meddling in the middle East asserting "humanitarian" necessity and fostering idyllic "democracy". However, when it seems to come to actually promoting minority (Christians) rights and/or coming to their defense; the US appears to turn a blind eye and is otherwise silent.

Whether Morsi will turn out to be "good" or "bad", I do not know. All we can do is wait for now.

 

[Dick7Access]

What about the Coptic Christians? The US has been actively meddling in the middle East asserting "humanitarian" necessity and fostering idyllic "democracy". However, when it seems to come to actually promoting minority (Christians) rights and/or coming to their defense; the US appears to turn a blind eye and is otherwise silent.

Whether Morsi will turn out to be "good" or "bad", I do not know. All we can do is wait for now.

You are right!

 

[Adam Caramon]

In your opinion do you think that the people of Egypt could have been duped like the people of America have been by Obama?

First - From my readings, it seems that there was a sizable group of individuals who were upset that their choices were between an essential Mubarak clone or a theocrat. Hopefully the people of Egypt will keep pressure on both their military and their politicians and get the kind of government that they desire.

Second - When you claim that Americans have been duped by Obama, is this puffery or are you referencing a specific poll that shows Americans are upset with President Obama, or an approval rating, etc?

In another thread you've said that you only go by what the media tells you, and you've also linked to a Rush Limbuagh page. As such, I would assume you're mostly watching/reading Fox news and other conservative sources.

If you simply parrot back what you're absorbing, then what value do you feel your opinion holds? Hopefully that doesn't sound too harsh, but I'm truly curious as I've encountered many Americans that seem to do the same thing you're doing now (on both sides of the political aisle). Its almost like people want to repeat the first thing they hear, without realizing that doing so is exactly what the commentator on the news is hoping you will do.

 

[Dick7Access]

Adam,
I can see you are a pretty clear thinker. You are right as I know people on both sides that read and listen to only their side. I read and listen to both sides every day.
That said!! I have heard so many people in my travels say, they were fooled by Obama. May decisions are not bases on them being fooled. My decisions are based on what I have seen Obama do, as opposed to what he campaigned on. Now I know that both sides do it, but that doesn’t make it right. The fact remains that no matter what CNN says, or what Rush L. says, Obama has the worst record of going back on his campaign promises of the last 5 presidents put together. I am not going to enumerate all of them here as it would take me all day, but the two that are so blatant they beg to be mention. He campaign that he would have an open administrant. No one in history has had such a secretive administration. He campaign that he would not have insiders in his administrant, and he has nothing but, including tax cheats and a many other strips of questionable characters.

 

[Adam Caramon]

No one in history has had such a secretive administration. He campaign that he would not have insiders in his administrant, and he has nothing but, including tax cheats and a many other strips of questionable characters.

Dick,

I can see that you're not really understanding what I am saying. You're allowing yourself to be ruled by your emotions, and are not really concerned with facts. There's no real way to discuss the issue with you, as your not complaining about an actual thing, you're complaining about the way you feel.

As I said in a different post, I know a lot of older people that feel the same way as you. They can't really articulate what it is they they're upset about, and they always seem to "know" things that aren't documented anywhere. I put the word "know" in quotes as this is not real knowledge, simply their feelings.

Regardless, best of luck to you. Hopefully you'll be able to see through the doom and gloom.

 

[Dick7Access]

Adam I like talking with you, but I am a little confused about your statement that I am not dealing with facts. I will be the first to admit that my emotions are involved, as humans we cannot get away from our emotion. If, however, we let our emotion rule our lives where no facts are evident then we are emotional cripples. I think the problem is that we don’t agree that items are fact, and that is ok, as I am very open minded as to other peoples opinion. That said lets deal with facts.
Obama:
Has run up the biggest deficit than the all the rest of the presidents put together. (fact)

Has push thru a bill called (Obama Doesn’t Care) by using deceitful methods, such as Louisiana purchase, and Corn Husker Kickback. (fact)

Has allow illegal aliens exempt status, even as in own words he did not have the power to do that. (fact)

Had appointed a Ambassador that can’t keep in his pants. (fact)

I could go on all day.

Thanks for corresponding, Dick

 

[Dick7Access]

I would say congratulations to the people of Egypt on a democratic election and best of luck in establishing an egalitarian society. I hope the military will hand power back to the elected president in due course and hope it will lead to prosperity to the people of Egypt and peace in the middle east.

To you still say congratulations to the people of Egypt?

 

[Vassago]

Much like Bush, I would tell those people who were "duped" by Obama:

Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice...

After all, most of the country obviously didn't feel duped. He did win after all.

 

[Dick7Access]

Much like Bush, I would tell those people who were "duped" by Obama:

Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice...

After all, most of the country obviously didn't feel duped. He did win after all.

Sadly we and they all pay the price. When are people going to wake up?

 

[Steve R.]

Much like Bush, I would tell those people who were "duped" by Obama:

Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice...

After all, most of the country obviously didn't feel duped. He did win after all.

Sadly we and they all pay the price. When are people going to wake up?

Obama knows how to sell the populist message. The newspaper headlines concern how he will give the middle class tax breaks and tax the "evil" rich to pay their "fair share".

Obama is "buying" temporary prosperity through deficit spending. Of course he calls that "investing" in Americas future by hiring teachers, police, and firefighters.

Despite lip-service to deficit reduction, it would appear that Obama has little interest in actually balancing the budget through tax increases and reductions to spending. Had he been serious we would have seen a draft plan for increasing taxes and reducing spending during the recent campaign. There was NO written proposal that could actually be evaluated.

 

[Dick7Access]

Obama knows how to sell the populist message. The newspaper headlines concern how he will give the middle class tax breaks and tax the "evil" rich to pay their "fair share".

Obama is "buying" temporary prosperity through deficit spending. Of course he calls that "investing" in Americas future by hiring teachers, police, and firefighters.

Despite lip-service to deficit reduction, it would appear that Obama has little interest in actually balancing the budget through tax increases and reductions to spending. Had he been serious we would have seen a draft plan for increasing taxes and reducing spending during the recent campaign. There was NO written proposal that could actually be evaluated.

Right on, well said!

 

[Vassago]

Sadly we and they all pay the price. When are people going to wake up?

When they stop listening to Faux News and CNN for information. When they get the courage to actually stand up and fight the two party system instead of falling in line like cattle led by corporate puppets.

 

[Dick7Access]

When they stop listening to Faux News and CNN for information. When they get the courage to actually stand up and fight the two party system instead of falling in line like cattle led by corporate puppets.

You have a valid point!

 

[Adam Caramon]

Despite lip-service to deficit reduction, it would appear that Obama has little interest in actually balancing the budget through tax increases and reductions to spending. Had he been serious we would have seen a draft plan for increasing taxes and reducing spending during the recent campaign. There was NO written proposal that could actually be evaluated.

Steve, you seem to have a lot of information on financial matters in regards to the US government. If you were hired as an adviser to President Obama to help balance the budget, what would be your recommendations? Be specific as to what would be cut from spending.