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Has it really been that laborious? I'll think I'll stop and wait for the points decision. :D

I would argue that your frustrations with them, quite rightly, derive from their disinclination to consider their potential, whether harmful or beneficial, upon themselves or others, and act upon it accordingly. Further compounded by them forcing this trait upon their offspring either directly...

It's an opinion, entirely subjective and available for scrutiny. I've never made any such argument. Read back on my conversation with Adam. Post 458 This entire argument actually conforms to my proposition of the workings of the human mind. You've drawn up several qualities of what both the...

Actually, why not. I'm bored and the answer is quite ironic. My opinion, believe it or not, is based on an argument that actually contests religion. Let's see if you can follow it without projecting phantom "religious attitudes". My opinion, and that is all it is, it is not a universal truth...

It's much more fun watching you grapple with your own inventions. Please, continue.

I'm not religious. Never raised it in this thread. You're dancing with your own straw man.

That makes two of you that want to introduce the topic. Not me, good day.

My discussion has nothing to do with religion, never used it once in my conversation with Adam. If you would kindly withdraw this assertion then we can continue.

I'm sorry did you just equate the uprooting of a sapling to the death of a child? If you did, I'm quite lost. You're presuming that I'm equating a seed to a flower. I'm not. I'm attempting to break the equation that a seed is worthless. It is not. It has, in your context, commercial value...

I think you are obsessed with viewing everything you disagree with in the context of your view on religion which is why you can't help but raise this strawman. Try to think outside of this point of view from time to time. EDIT: Better yet, try to stop yourself from instantly viewing people...

As a matter of interest what is your definition of a 'viable independent life'?

I would go further and say that it is the ability and flat-out compulsion to consider the potential of the embryo that triggers the decision-making process of the mother. I agree and placing a lesser value on the embryo requires a certain 'flying in the face' of how the human mind works. It...

Why would they feel shame/guilt if they were viewing a clutch of cells? What more is at play here?

But we do consider the potential of the embryo. It's inescapable. It is the very reason why the technology to abort exists and the reason why the mother can consider it a requirement. Do you see how ignoring the potentiality of the embryo seems to contradict itself?

You're reaching here. To ignore the notion that something more can spring from the 'sum of it's parts' is far too simplistic.

You're almost there on all parts. Yes, it doesn't make sense to ignore your way of thinking because it is a fundamental way that humans use to balance what is right and wrong. One is irresponsible because they failed to consider the potential of their actions. Now plant this concept into the...

I'll let on to what I'm doing. My point is that defining anything as solely it's current state is not sufficient. You have succeeded in defining your entire notion of responsibility, in this context, within the boundaries of forward thinking. That is, responsibility in this context as you have...

You refuse to answer the question. It's irresponsible because it's irresponsible:confused: What makes it irresponsible?

I have a niece and two nephews (twins) who are unwanted by their mother. She went through with the two pregnancies but left soon after the last and rarely talks to her children. The father has custody and their life is difficult but they laugh, play, attend school and stay overnight at our and...

No, you're simply failing to answer the question posed and replacing it with one of your own. I'll reword it a third time. So there is no incremental factor for you. An abortion is immediately irresponsible. Same question still stands. What is it about the abortion that makes it irresponsible?