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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    I don't think it will be forced inequality as much as the people with all the wealth will have to pay the poor people just for being poor. Else how will they have any customers. And in any scenario, the population is going to decline.
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    I have a saying about not worrying about a big rock falling out of the shy. Doc, everything you thought to be the future is ending. We are at the end of a dark ages, a renaissance is here. Embrace it. And like the bubonic plague in Europe bringing the needed death on a continent scale as a...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    It was the 2nd Amendment folks (you know conservatives) back in the 80s with their "Slippery Slope" campaign funded by the NRA that warned us that gun confiscation was at the end of the road to compromise. Well the slippery slope was to have an increase in unregistered guns in the hands of...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Is Chinese authoratarinism the bar?
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    I'm sorry Doc but the DJT "origin" story is one of a grifter, a New York developer that has a proven history of cheating a huge number of people out of their earnings. He was convicted of numerous (was it 30 something felonies), not really a standard origin for most presidents. As far as the sex...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    So it would seem. :eek:
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    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 (2010)

    Yeah he had a lot of cool observations about The human condition, didn't he. As a kid I saw the movie A Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court, as a young adult I read the book. The book was certainly a whole lot darker than the movie.
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Yeah it is a little bit of a hard turn. Do you think we should have an actual debate on that? Or do you think that part of the problem in the old days prior to the deletion of the political thread was what maybe got everybody all hot and crazy?. I think the political environment has definitely...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    It doesn't but this thread has shown signs of quite a bit of drift just saying
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    This thread has turned into kind of rough general discussion based on politics as much as anything else one thing I've noticed is that everything we've been saying has been kept in a pretty substantially respectful conversation. I promise you I will not lead us down that path again. I do have a...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Yup, to all of that. But that doesn't change the fact that gold is an artificial value. There's a good old days aspect to the whole entire people looking at the gold standard as better times. We are seeing the beginning of the end or at least the dilution the American dollar being the absolute...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Exactly, one of the fundamental reasons that the United States became the richest nation in the history of the world and the history of the human race at least. Not only as an amalgamation but individually so many people nowadays listen to Trump when he says how badly America has been treated by...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Can't eat it, can't power a civilization with it. Not really worthy of basing a global economy on it. Now security and oil, that is a whole other level of backing for a reserve currency.
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Exactly the point of the climate change division propaganda. As I said a red herring.
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    You just proved my point. Gold is nothing like a crop or oil. It's only value is demand, and a belief in it's value. The very definition of fiat. Take a look at the international Oil trade, untill recently it was 100% US Dollars. A huge contributing factor in in the Reserve Currency status of...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    I'm asking you again, what make gold valuable?
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    The opposite is true, gold is the ultimate fiat. Why is gold valuable? Oil, on the other hand, is pure, real, tangible wealth.
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    Doc that is only a partial truth. And a minor contributor in the case of the US economy. We have one of the few currency in world history that is not based on a FIAT. Ours is based on an actual commodity of wealth. Oil, and the selling of world stability. Which sadly our current administration...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Climate Change is a Red Herring. Both sides use it to prove the of the other side, exaggerating the divide, and transferring even more wealth up the chain. It serves the wealthiest class to keep the divide, because profits must stay at their current unsustainable rates, even until all other...
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    Today's Environmentalists Are Really Luddites

    Doc, between home building and writing ERP systems, which included PHAs and NCRs for a Chemical Plant, I can tell you that in the vast world of wealth distribution, regulations are one of the few things that takes money from the richest and pays it to the middle class. Competition keeps...
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