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Kryst51

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It is important that all people have an equal chance at things rather then older days where there was not even a glimmer of hope for some people to be able to control a large part of their lives. There is still not total equality but the gap has definately shrunken over the past number of decades.
I do think it is sad though that the need for bigger and better things has seemingly undermined the family in a more traditional sense. People allowing strangers to bring up their children at an earlier and earlier age, and likewise farming out their elders to live away rather then continue to contribute to the spirit of the family. I think people need to return to simpler values, where people respected youth and elders. The young will see the future, the elders have lived the past, we have a lot to learn from them.

I agree with this 100%. :)
 

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Natural and organic foods are not more expensive then high production psudofood. You do not need large portions of the good food, which is usually sold in smaller portions anyway as they do not expect you to waste 20% of the food by throwing it out or leaving it on your plate or over consuming. Eating less meat and shopping more often for smaller portions of food is healthier all round.

Just as a caveat... All of our meat these days is pumped with growth hormone and fed things to make them grow fatter. These things get consumed by us as well, so while I am not saying that we as Americans need to take responsibility for our overeating and being overweight, our food contributes to the high levels as well.... I wish I could afford more natural foods, but they are so dang expensive.
 

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Natural and organic foods are not more expensive then high production psudofood. You do not need large portions of the good food, which is usually sold in smaller portions anyway as they do not expect you to waste 20% of the food by throwing it out or leaving it on your plate or over consuming. Eating less meat and shopping more often for smaller portions of food is healthier all round.

I have worked in a natural food store. I can buy chicken at the grocery store (say $10 for 6 or 7, if I remember correctly, boneless skinless breasts) freeze it in small packages and use one or two as I need. At my natural food store (where I buy when I can) the organic, non-hormoned, chicken is $10 to $15 for about half as much. It is hard to make a direct comparison as it has the bones, but there it is.
 

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Greed itself is a choice. Businesses don't make us greedy, we make ourselves greedy.

While I agree, my earlier point was that business being greedy is what requires people to work more (and more specifically more women in the workforce). What I mean by this is that business' often forgo raises, slash benefits, reduce retirement, etc all to protect their bottom line.

If you make $20/hour, and can live comfortably on that, but then your company suddenly drops you to $15/hour, is it greedy to want to retain the things you had when you made $20/hour? Possibly, but I would say it is far greedier on the business' end.

I like where I work, it is a great place, very friendly, lots of opportunities, etc. However, we haven't gotten a raise in 3 years now, which is very frustrating. They claim this is due to the tough economic conditions we face, which is quite logical. They slashed some of our benefits and told us by doing so some of our co-workers' jobs were saved. Most people understood.

However, we then hear about executives receiving a hefty raise. So the question becomes, who is truly the greedy one? From my perspective, an executive should refuse a raise if the common man is not receiving a raise. If the common man is losing, the executive shouldn't be rewarded as they obviously aren't excelling (otherwise they wouldn't need to cut benefits).
 

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If your immediate supervisor called you into the office and said "Here is $x.00 raise for doing a good job in spite of the recent cuts in benefits" would you ensure all the other employees of the company were equally rewarded or would you just accept it?

While I agree, my earlier point was that business being greedy is what requires people to work more (and more specifically more women in the workforce). What I mean by this is that business' often forgo raises, slash benefits, reduce retirement, etc all to protect their bottom line.

If you make $20/hour, and can live comfortably on that, but then your company suddenly drops you to $15/hour, is it greedy to want to retain the things you had when you made $20/hour? Possibly, but I would say it is far greedier on the business' end.

I like where I work, it is a great place, very friendly, lots of opportunities, etc. However, we haven't gotten a raise in 3 years now, which is very frustrating. They claim this is due to the tough economic conditions we face, which is quite logical. They slashed some of our benefits and told us by doing so some of our co-workers' jobs were saved. Most people understood.

However, we then hear about executives receiving a hefty raise. So the question becomes, who is truly the greedy one? From my perspective, an executive should refuse a raise if the common man is not receiving a raise. If the common man is losing, the executive shouldn't be rewarded as they obviously aren't excelling (otherwise they wouldn't need to cut benefits).
 

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A Good Executive should put in place systems to train and or replace staff as part of the process of having a good and profitable business.
Then, all can share in the benefits. The slackers have gone.

A business that can only afford the bosses pay rise is not being run properly and maybe the boss is the one due for training or replacing.

Hard times can hit any business and provided everyone does their best then either all or none share.

Not a socialist concept, just good team building. Communists don't give slackers the big A.
 

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If your immediate supervisor called you into the office and said "Here is $x.00 raise for doing a good job in spite of the recent cuts in benefits" would you ensure all the other employees of the company were equally rewarded or would you just accept it?

accept it! people not in supervisory roles always have the protection of ignorance.
 

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If your immediate supervisor called you into the office and said "Here is $x.00 raise for doing a good job in spite of the recent cuts in benefits" would you ensure all the other employees of the company were equally rewarded or would you just accept it?

I would just accept it. But I'm not an executive, so it is not in my power to make sure the company is properly managing their finances. If I were in turn to say "Please show me all of the financial statements of the corporation so I can justify taking this raise", I'd probably be fired (which would make sense as it is not my job nor role to have such information).

Now, on the flip side, when I was a manager in my old job, I always covered the other worker's shifts if there was a problem. I always agreed to stay late or come in early as needed. I gave the workers a lot of flexibility with scheduling, etc. These are all things that the "bosses" should do, IMO.
 

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But the executives answer to share holders and not to the employees, if the share holders are happy with the profits from the people they have control over then they will keep the talent and reward them as per their contract.
The "bosses' are the ones who have to react to the decisions of the executive and hire fire cut and reward the employees and themselves.
But when it all comes down to details everyone from CEO to the lowest wage earner - you are all working for the same reason - to make money. And if you do not agree with the return on your efforts, then you need to either change the situation or figure out how to cope with the changes.

I would just accept it. But I'm not an executive, so it is not in my power to make sure the company is properly managing their finances. If I were in turn to say "Please show me all of the financial statements of the corporation so I can justify taking this raise", I'd probably be fired (which would make sense as it is not my job nor role to have such information).

Now, on the flip side, when I was a manager in my old job, I always covered the other worker's shifts if there was a problem. I always agreed to stay late or come in early as needed. I gave the workers a lot of flexibility with scheduling, etc. These are all things that the "bosses" should do, IMO.
 

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But the executives answer to share holders and not to the employees, if the share holders are happy with the profits from the people they have control over then they will keep the talent and reward them as per their contract.

Well, I work for a nonprofit, so there are no shareholders. But even in the case of shareholders, executives should still be putting the workers first. If all they are worried about is the shareholders, that means they're worried mostly about their own compensation. A good leader puts the workers' needs above their own, IMO.

But when it all comes down to details everyone from CEO to the lowest wage earner - you are all working for the same reason - to make money.

I don't think it is that cut and dry. I've had two offers of higher-paying jobs, but I choose to stay where I am because I truly believe in our mission. I enjoy working with my co-workers towards a common goal. The money is definitely a large part of working, but it is not the only thing.
 

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Bosses should consider their Workers, but within reason. Some workers will abuse such situations. A good and fair set of rules should be followed. Support the Human Resource just as you do any other Asset of the Organisation, be it profit or non profit. HR (and IT:)) are the critical company assets - not always recognised as such.

From the Workers side, and this also applies to employed executives, you always have the option to change your jobs. Your values may conflict with your employer. eg, If you value family life and weekends, don't join the emergency services / armed forces or Walmart. No matter how caring the boss is they can never make you happy.
 

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