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Old 10-04-2006, 12:41 AM   #1
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Shootings in US schools

We've been hearing about yet more killings in US schools last week and this week.

In this weeks American school killings episode, the killings are in an Amish community.ref (I'd never heard of it before)

Apparently they don't like modern things and do everything to avoid it, they live this weird 18th century existence. They worship some kind of god, so presumably are some kind of crank religious cult.

No doubt they become very voiciferous about "outside" interference, they preach about "isolation from the modern world" - so how come they use modern hospitals, use modern fire engines, modern police etc? it seems a case of "we don't want anything to do with you, till we need you" type of scenario. I would have thought they can't have it both ways, its either one thing or the other. I'll bet they don't pay taxes or any national contributions.

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We've been hearing about yet more killings in US schools last week and this week.

In this weeks American school killings episode, the killings are in an Amish community.ref (I'd never heard of it before)

Apparently they don't like modern things and do everything to avoid it, they live this weird 18th century existence. They worship some kind of god, so presumably are some kind of crank religious cult.

No doubt they become very voiciferous about "outside" interference, they preach about "isolation from the modern world" - so how come they use modern hospitals, use modern fire engines, modern police etc? it seems a case of "we don't want anything to do with you, till we need you" type of scenario. I would have thought they can't have it both ways, its either one thing or the other. I'll bet they don't pay taxes or any national contributions.

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Have you not seen the film "Witness" with Harrison Ford??

I do not see a problem if a group what to live a simple life, they do not force their views on others, they just try and limit the influence of modern life on them.

What do you want to happen force them all to have large SUVs and TVs..
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There was something similar in M.Night Shylaman's file 'The Village', although I don't think they were Amish, but the society portraid was based around a similar desire to retain high morality through a basic existence.

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No doubt they become very voiciferous about "outside" interference, they preach about "isolation from the modern world" - so how come they use modern hospitals, use modern fire engines, modern police etc? it seems a case of "we don't want anything to do with you, till we need you" type of scenario. I would have thought they can't have it both ways, its either one thing or the other. I'll bet they don't pay taxes or any national contributions.
Just as trends and cultures in this day and age penetrate international borders on the barest of whims, I would imagine it is near impossible to keep the outside world from expressing a presence in their own culture.

Imagine for example they chose to build an Amish hospital..? Chances are the beauracrats and officals would make it their business to invade their privacy and close it down on the grounds of 21st century health and safety regulations.

Still, you can't blame them for trying to maintain a sense of order and belief in a world where public morality changes between each and every advertisement break. Many is the time I've longed just to go live in the woods away from all this bull...

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Old 10-04-2006, 02:33 AM   #4
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Have you not seen the film "Witness" with Harrison Ford??
no I don't know that one.

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I do not see a problem if a group what to live a simple life, they do not force their views on others, they just try and limit the influence of modern life on them.
I agree, people can live how they like - as long as they pay their way and don't expect the rest of us to pick up the bill like our travellers and gypo's do. But it appears that they (Amish) preach about avoiding modern things - except when they need it? - double standards maybe?

Just a discussion point

anyway, I see old cross eyes is today having urgent talks to try to stem the flow of dead school pupils. Odd that he cares nothing for the premature dead elsewhere

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...Apparently they don't like modern things and do everything to avoid it, they live this weird 18th century existence. They worship some kind of god, so presumably are some kind of crank religious cult.

No doubt they become very voiciferous about "outside" interference, they preach about "isolation from the modern world" - so how come they use modern hospitals, use modern fire engines, modern police etc? it seems a case of "we don't want anything to do with you, till we need you" type of scenario. I would have thought they can't have it both ways, its either one thing or the other. I'll bet they don't pay taxes or any national contributions.

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I think you're being a bit over dramatic and judgemental. They seem to be very nice people to me.

(And it appears to be yet another of your brain-dead lead-ins to another W bash... ho-hum...time for morning coffee )
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no I don't know that one.


I agree, people can live how they like - as long as they pay their way and don't expect the rest of us to pick up the bill like our travellers and gypo's do. But it appears that they (Amish) preach about avoiding modern things - except when they need it? - double standards maybe?

Just a discussion point

anyway, I see old cross eyes is today having urgent talks to try to stem the flow of dead school pupils. Odd that he cares nothing for the premature dead elsewhere

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I presume they still have to pay tax. (although I do not imagine they have a massive income), as for hospitals I guess they do not have health insurance so that limits their choice. I understand they are basically self suffecient as a community and help each other. (unlike travellers do not claim off the state and own their own land. They have always struck me as a nice community and have been around for 250 odd years since they where
forced to leave Europe.
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The Amish are an offshoot of the Mennonites (you may have heard of them).

They remain apart from mainstream American society. They are still required to pay taxes and as a result they have access to hospitals, police fire etc. (after all, they paid for them right).

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I think you're being a bit over dramatic and judgemental. They seem to be very nice people to me.
I'm sure they are. Most religious cult people (like christians) are, apart from being hypocritical of "outsiders" that is

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I would have thought that 2 separate schools shootings within a week, with several children dead, may have raised your concern a little.
But to hear on the news today that GWB is "concerned" is quite frankly a joke - if he really was concerned, he would reform your gun laws, but that would lose too many votes and money.

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... Most religious cult people (like christians) are, apart from being hypocritical of "outsiders" that is
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...they live this weird 18th century existence.
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...But to hear on the news today that GWB is "concerned" is quite frankly a joke - if he really was concerned, he would reform your gun laws, but that would lose too many votes and money.

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Thanks for proving me right again.

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if he really was concerned, he would reform your gun laws, but that would lose too many votes and money.

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He's not allowed to reform them, some old scrap of paper say that they have the right to shoot each other
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You've lost me there Ken.

You've not been playing golf with Gloria have you?

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You've lost me there Ken.

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That doesn't suprise me.

Actually, I thought this was an good topic to discuss. Shame your typical blanket hate stuff causes most of us on this side of the pond to not have any interest in chatting about it with you...
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That doesn't suprise me.

Actually, I thought this was an good topic to discuss. Shame your typical blanket hate stuff causes most of us on this side of the pond to not have any interest in chatting about it with you...
I've not mentioned the word hate. Yet again its your misinterpretation.

I said that most religious people are ok apart from being hypocritical and I said that GWB saying he was going to "do something" about kids being shot in school was a joke.

Also, I questioned about the Amish preaching about "avoiding modern things" - but it seems they can't really do without them. If they pay their way then they are entitled, but then why bother to live in the 18th century? it all seems a bit weird to me.

Get out of the bed on the wrong side today Kenny babe? (again)

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Guns and Religion aside (as I have little time for either), what about shifting the emphasis of this thread toward the Amish lifestyle sans all the doctrine and getting some general feelings?

Premise - If you could cross-out the religious bits (for the non-religious... and possibly the beards too..!) would the idea of living an Amish-esque lifestyle appeal to you? Consider - even if it was just for say, a month or two.





My head is ringing with Wierd Al Yankovich's "Amish Paradise", everytime I think about the Amish
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An Amish lyfestyle with Kelly McGillis would appeal a lot.


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