American War Crimes are Happening All Around Us (2 Viewers)

[Thales750]

How long must we defend the corruption in the White House?

 

[AccessBlaster]

How long must we defend the corruption in the White House?

3 years my guess.

 

[Thales750]

3 years my guess.

That's a good response. I'm saddened by it, but it is a reasonable answer.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Perhaps forever, since I see no evidence of saintliness in the opposition party, either.

 

[Thales750]

Perhaps forever, since I see no evidence of saintliness in the opposition party, either.

There is a big gap between killing people on the open seas with American War Ships and being the son of a sitting president, who makes deals with some folks to make $25 million or so.
Especially, if you compare that to the Trump's family making billions off of their crypto-coin shenanigans. Which by the way, directly took money out of the pockets of their supporters. Just like his fictional Legal Fund which collected over $200 million from those same worshiping suckers.

Innumeracy is a real root cause of the conservative contempt for Dems. Furthermore, Donald Trump never stops lying, it is a continuous stream. The Conservative answer, everyone lies. Once again, not even recognizing actual orders of magnitude.

I brought this subject up because what this administration is doing has all the appearance of War Crimes. You and I were both federal employees, I took the oath to the Constitution and managed to get through the process of getting a clearance. We were not legally permitted to even have the "appearance of impropriety".

The folks in the White House have a law-enforceable-duty to do the same.

 

[AccessBlaster]

There is a big gap between killing people on the open seas with American War Ships and being the son of a sitting president, who makes deals with some folks to make $25 million or so.
Especially, if you compare that to the Trump's family making billions off of their crypto-coin shenanigans. Which by the way, directly took money out of the pockets of their supporters. Just like his fictional Legal Fund which collected over $200 million from those same worshiping suckers.

Innumeracy is a real root cause of the conservative contempt for Dems. Furthermore, Donald Trump never stops lying, it is a continuous stream. The Conservative answer, everyone lies. Once again, not even recognizing actual orders of magnitude.

I brought this subject up because what this administration is doing has all the appearance of War Crimes. You and I were both federal employees, I took the oath to the Constitution and managed to get through the process of getting a clearance. We were not legally permitted to even have the "appearance of impropriety".

The folks in the White House have a law-enforceable-duty to do the same.

This list represents only a fraction of the drone strikes President Obama authorized; it does not include “second strikes,” where rescue teams were targeted. The last column is a civilians count.

Let’s not forget that a U.S. drone strike killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric from New Mexico. It also killed Samir Khan, another U.S. citizen. This was the first known instance of the United States killing an American with a drone without a trial.

Year	Approx. Number of Strikes (Pakistan)	Estimated Total Killed	Estimated Civilians Killed
2009	52 strikes (The Bureau Investigates)	465–744 killed (The Bureau Investigates)	100–210 civilians (The Bureau Investigates)
2010	~122 strikes (Council on Foreign Relations)	818 killed (per one source) (Council on Foreign Relations)	smaller proportion civilians (per source) (Council on Foreign Relations)
2011	~75 strikes (The Bureau Investigates)	363–666 killed (The Bureau Investigates)	52–152 civilians killed (The Bureau Investigates)
2012	~50 strikes (The Bureau Investigates)	212–410 killed (The Bureau Investigates)	13–63 civilians killed (The Bureau Investigates)

 

[NauticalGent]

Let’s not forget that a U.S. drone strike killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric from New Mexico. It also killed Samir Khan, another U.S. citizen. This was the first known instance of the United States killing an American with a drone without a trial.

An inconvenient truth...

 

[Thales750]

This list represents only a fraction of the drone strikes President Obama authorized; it does not include “second strikes,” where rescue teams were targeted. The last column is a civilians count.

Let’s not forget that a U.S. drone strike killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric from New Mexico. It also killed Samir Khan, another U.S. citizen. This was the first known instance of the United States killing an American with a drone without a trial.

Year	Approx. Number of Strikes (Pakistan)	Estimated Total Killed	Estimated Civilians Killed
2009	52 strikes (The Bureau Investigates)	465–744 killed (The Bureau Investigates)	100–210 civilians (The Bureau Investigates)
2010	~122 strikes (Council on Foreign Relations)	818 killed (per one source) (Council on Foreign Relations)	smaller proportion civilians (per source) (Council on Foreign Relations)
2011	~75 strikes (The Bureau Investigates)	363–666 killed (The Bureau Investigates)	52–152 civilians killed (The Bureau Investigates)
2012	~50 strikes (The Bureau Investigates)	212–410 killed (The Bureau Investigates)	13–63 civilians killed (The Bureau Investigates)

Do you actually believe that's a viable comparison and if you even do now because of your political beliefs believe that it's viable at the time when the United States was killing known terrorist after we had dealt with the attacks on 9/11 I think it's interesting that you have changed your views so dramatically has to protect and defend Donald Trump. You can tell me I'm wrong about this but you're going to have to have some pretty significant evidence that you weren't waving the red white and blue back when we were killing all those terrorists.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I think it's interesting that you have changed your views so dramatically has to protect and defend Donald Trump.

I think I've been consistent in my objections to DJT. For example, his DOJ picks—Bondi, Kash, and Bongino—are a joke. Hegseth isn’t panning out as I’d hoped. And when it comes to immigration, there should be more emphasis on targeting hardcore criminals of all races and creeds, not just the low-hanging fruit.

Do you actually believe that's a viable comparison and if you even do now because of your political beliefs believe that it's viable at the time when the United States was killing known terrorist after we had dealt with the attacks on 9/11

Viable? It's how we do business. We can go back to the jungles of Vietnam and napalm or Nagasaki and Hiroshima pick your poison.

The point is, it didn't start with DJT.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Technically, by your standards what Obama had done to Osama Bin Laden - execution while in his home on foreign soil, followed by removal of the body, plus execution of a couple of his henchmen during the incursion - would count as a criminal act. But since it was carried out by Democrats, you haven't, to my recollection, complained.

 

[Thales750]

I think I've been consistent in my objections to DJT. For example, his DOJ picks—Bondi, Kash, and Bongino—are a joke. Hegseth isn’t panning out as I’d hoped. And when it comes to immigration, there should be more emphasis on targeting hardcore criminals of all races and creeds, not just the low-hanging fruit.


Viable? It's how we do business. We can go back to the jungles of Vietnam and napalm or Nagasaki and Hiroshima pick your poison.

The point is, it didn't start with DJT.

Except these aren't military or organized terrorist, they're fishermen. And it is a war crime to shoot people in the water. Like actual Nazi war crimes. It was only a matter of time, untill we got here.
As far as atomic weapons in WWII, that also has to be view within the context. Vietnam happened for a lot of complicated reasons not the least of which was the obsession that conservatives had with Communism, and not just conservatives average Americans also had pretty significant anti-communist leanings. And maybe rightly so I think the Communist doctrine in those days was definitely to take over the world and certainly the Soviets were doing everything they could to do that. All these things have to be taken in context but the United States has had a huge infusion of deadly narcotics for the last I don't know 80 90 years whatever it is maybe more like 70 or 60 years but anyway a long time and now all of a sudden they find justification to take American naval assets and destroy random fishing boats or maybe drug boats but that's a new thing either way.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Except these aren't military or organized terrorist, they're fishermen. And it is a war crime to shoot people in the water. Like actual Nazi war crimes. It was only a matter of time, untill we got here.
As far as atomic weapons in WWII, that also has to be view within the context. Vietnam happened for a lot of complicated reasons not the least of which was the obsession that conservatives had with Communism, and not just conservatives average Americans also had pretty significant anti-communist leanings. And maybe rightly so I think the Communist doctrine in those days was definitely to take over the world and certainly the Soviets were doing everything they could to do that. All these things have to be taken in context but the United States has had a huge infusion of deadly narcotics for the last I don't know 80 90 years whatever it is maybe more like 70 or 60 years but anyway a long time and now all of a sudden they find justification to take American naval assets and destroy random fishing boats or maybe drug boats but that's a new thing either way.

That's why he designated them narco terrorists.

 

[moke123]

That's why he designated them narco terrorists.

And legally that does what?

 

[AccessBlaster]

And legally that does what?

It triggers litigation, it wasn't that long ago George Bush was considered a war criminal, now he's besties with the Obama's go figure.