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I've noticed a few interesting facts about the reporting on this case.

The left-wing media predictably, is focused on the following aspects... Self-described White supremacist, gun control implications, replacement theory which supposedly is the fault of right wing media, etc.

They conveniently ignore the fact that he actually described himself as a left-wing person, an authoritarian left-wing socialist!

Also, this is a classic textbook case that should spark a good discussion on gun control. The rounds that he were using or I should say the capacity that he was using was already illegal. What good did that do? He used it anyway.
This is what we've been saying for years. Criminals don't obey gun control laws. The main effect of them is on law-abiding people who will actually follow the new law. Then you end up with only the bad guys have the weapons. Pretty silly stuff..
As for the replacement theory, the fact that something causes a few people to devolve into violence doesn't mean it's not true or mustn't ever be said. May I remind you of the violence caused by pro-abortion activists after the week. Or pretty much any of the last couple years of rioting and violence. The White House typical responsive is something like, yes it's wrong, but we understand that people are hurting and angry...
Yikes.
Lots to think about.
 

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It is typical of the "progressive Left" to never let a tragedy go to waste. At least one facet of the problem, however, is that people who are to blame in such things see other miscreants get by with a slap on the wrist for the most violent crimes while peaceful, non-violent people get sent to jail because they smoked the wrong leaf. The words "accountability" and "responsibility" come to mind as having somehow lost meaning.

Nowadays, people are crazy enough to sue rifle makers when some crazy mentally ill person uses a rifle. Remington was sued because some kid got a gun and shot up a school. Yes, that was tragic and I don't want to downplay the losses. But ... the kid didn't get the gun directly from Remington. He didn't get it from a store with negligent screening checks. His father got it and didn't lock it up in a way to prevent its casual misuse. My point is that people are desperate to pin the blame on someone who can pay for it instead of pinning the blame on the negligent father who allowed his kid access to that improperly secured weapon.

I saw one article on Yahoo News within the last month in which a man was sued by a mechanic because the mechanic was hurt when the car fell on him... WHILE IN THE DEALERSHIP'S SERVICE DEPARTMENT. The car owner left the car in custody of the dealership for some required repairs, so the car's owner at that point had no physical control over his vehicle. It was a matter of good luck, perhaps, that a judge ruled that regardless of who won the suit, a particular insurance company that covered the dealership would pay the damages to the mechanic. But the idea that the car's owner could be liable in this circumstance just floored me.

The lawsuit regarding opiods ends up suing the pharmaceutical company. OK, in this case, the company was pushing hard for doctors to prescribe their product. The doctors who did so may well have over-prescribed the pills. There, you should see shared liability, but the massive suits went after the drug company because they had bigger pockets.

What's wrong with this picture? People are quick to take the "nuclear" approach to a problem rather than placing low-level blame where it belongs. They want to make a humongous example so they target some company or group that cannot possibly have done anything to affect the original unfortunate or even tragic outcome. The concept of liability has gotten out of hand and is now contributing to a legal circus with entirely too many clowns.
 

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Wasn't aware of this until just now...
 

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They conveniently ignore the fact that he actually described himself as a left-wing person, an authoritarian left-wing socialist!
Source?

The only description I've found states from his manifesto:
The author attributes the internet for most of his beliefs and describes himself as a fascist, a White supremacist and an anti-Semite.
 

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It also appears that the perpetrator had a history of this type of threat and he was not in the "system" due to some silly law. Similar to the Parkland shooter. Perhaps we should take these threats seriously when they are made. Only deranged people want to kill strangers. Obviously we can't incarcerate them for thought crimes but maybe we could find a way to get them medical help if they actually threaten others.

The manifesto is pretty long and I'm not going to read it but I heard a similar report regarding his political orientation on the radio this morning.
 

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Doc that's a point similar to a point I was trying to make a while back on a thread about lawsuits and liability. I recall there being a lot of opposition to my post and probably as usual you said it a lot better than I did but I agree wholeheartedly. The concept of liability has simply gotten out of hand, simply put!

Now as a person who strives to be intellectually honest, I will admit that if there are crazy people out there who are hearing about Tucker's replacement theory which is really just a reality that we all know is kind of slowly happening and not really a theory at all, and then killing people because of it, we owe it to everyone to be careful sort of in how we phrase it and how we encourage people to do anything about it or feel about it. For example once Tucker is aware that people are reacting like this I would expect him to be cautious in the wording that he uses and perhaps not say things anymore like, you should be terrified and you should be enraged. Maybe just something like, you should realize what the consequences of this are, and you should realize that one political party is manipulating it to their benefit, and acknowledge that it's happening and vote accordingly.
And of course, liberals should do the same thing with their causes and stop talking in ways that send people out to the streets acting like violent fools.

Even though I know the liberals will always try to crucify the right wing anytime violence is committed in their name, and even though I know that that's nonsense and doesn't actually make us responsible, yet I do feel a responsibility to society to be as careful as we can to try not to encourage any of the fringe crazy people.

I want people alive and well and unscathed as crime victims as much as everyone else does.

But, and I hate to always come back to this, but it's always healthy to take a step back and look at the big picture. The primary thing that's happening when it comes to people being shot and killed in this country is what it is and we all know exactly what that is. Hint: it's not white supremacists murdering people.

Both things happen, it's just that one of them is 90% of the problem and the other is 10 or maybe even 99 to 1.

It makes sense to keep that in mind and triage our level of focus and priorities.
 

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I think the main ingredient in this and several similar situations that PREVENTS the liberals from being successful in making this stick as a "it's the conservatives fault" is the anti-semitic part of it.

Despite liberals' incessant, daily attempts to try to smear conservatives as anti-semitic, it never works, because everyone knows that if anything, it's the opposite. Conservatives and Republicans have been the most consistent friend and defender of Israel that the world has ever seen - and still are.
It's liberals that are constantly disparaging Israel as occupiers, racists, and all kinds of nasty stuff for defending their country.

If there's one thing you can't fool the American people on, it's that. Everyone knows it to be true, so "anti-semitic" and "right-wing" in the same sentence, it just doesn't work.

This - among other concepts, like the "Big Lie" phrase - constantly reminds me of Mean Girls: "Stop trying to make FETCH happen!"
It's not catching on, let it go
 

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Doc that's a point similar to a point I was trying to make a while back on a thread about lawsuits and liability. I recall there being a lot of opposition to my post and probably as usual you said it a lot better than I did but I agree wholeheartedly. The concept of liability has simply gotten out of hand, simply put!

First and foremost, thank you.

Second, I think that the litigious trend in society is evidence of a burgeoning "victim mentality" in which folks don't want to believe the philosophy so clearly stated in Forrest Gump - "stuff happens." Granted, when someone does something criminal; violent; negligent; or stupid, then you need to hold them accountable. Too many "slaps on the wrist" just don't help. Misdirected actions don't help.

You should listen to comedian Bill Engvall (of the "Blue Collar Comedy Tour") about why there is a sign on the inside of the door of a jet liner, "Do not open door while in flight." His explanation is that someone probably just wanted to step out of the plane to take a smoke and catch some fresh air. So now, to protect themselves, the airlines put warnings where a reasonable person would know better.

Which leads me to paraphrase a statement I heard years ago: The greatest tragedy regarding common sense is how uncommon it is to find it.
 

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The solution is to pass new laws rather than enforcement of existing laws. He was not a stranger to law enforcement or the medical community.

The media be like please please let it be a white dude this time!
 

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First and foremost, thank you.

Second, I think that the litigious trend in society is evidence of a burgeoning "victim mentality" in which folks don't want to believe the philosophy so clearly stated in Forrest Gump - "stuff happens." Granted, when someone does something criminal; violent; negligent; or stupid, then you need to hold them accountable. Too many "slaps on the wrist" just don't help. Misdirected actions don't help.

You should listen to comedian Bill Engvall (of the "Blue Collar Comedy Tour") about why there is a sign on the inside of the door of a jet liner, "Do not open door while in flight." His explanation is that someone probably just wanted to step out of the plane to take a smoke and catch some fresh air. So now, to protect themselves, the airlines put warnings where a reasonable person would know better.

Which leads me to paraphrase a statement I heard years ago: The greatest tragedy regarding common sense is how uncommon it is to find it.
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NG, Bill Engvall would LOVE it.

His comment might be: No, I thought with all that cheese and meat, I would add some fiber in my diet, so I ate the box, too.
 

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The "open box" warning on the Pizza box brings to mind the progressive mantra - "stupid people shouldn't breed" and I can't actually disagree with that in this case. But that's what led to the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood so I guess we just have to do our best to protect them. I heard some reporting that women actually submitted to sterilization as a protest to revoking Roe v Wade. If that is true, then I guess they took care of the problem themselves. Seems like birth control would have been a wiser option.
 

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The Biden administration, by opening the border, is implementing "replacement theory". The shooter did commit an atrocious racist act, but the Biden administration is itself committing an atrocious racist act, that regretfully validates the shooters acceptance of "replacement theory". Two wrongs don't make a "right", but Biden's racism, implementing "replacement theory" requires exposure.

PS: During the 2020 Presidential campaign, Biden, playing optics card, visited the Blake family as the son was shot, while resisting arrest, by a White police officer. The father is a Black anti-Semitic. The left leaning media did not disclose that fact.
 

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The "open box" warning on the Pizza box brings to mind the progressive mantra - "stupid people shouldn't breed" and I can't actually disagree with that in this case. But that's what led to the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood so I guess we just have to do our best to protect them. I heard some reporting that women actually submitted to sterilization as a protest to revoking Roe v Wade. If that is true, then I guess they took care of the problem themselves. Seems like birth control would have been a wiser option.
I read that same thing Pat. Some liberal reporter was bragging about it and I thought to myself, well gee, I think you finally gotten the point. And you can now stop acting like there is just absolutely no choice other than to have millions of children.

After 75 years of the most thorough and aggressive sex education the world has ever seen, you would really think they would understand how babies are made at this point.

All liberals should stop and ask themselves this question and then just seriously pondered for a while. Why aren't conservatives freaking out that their daughters and granddaughters may not have the opportunity to have unlimited abortions? Really, think about it. We love our children just as much. So why doesn't it freak us out?

Pondering that leads to the obvious.
Because we are raising children to be sexually responsible human beings, or at least trying to.
Liberals would have you believe that option is non-existent or something. Which is somewhat ironic in the me too era don't you think?
 

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Birth control is good but it isn't infallible so accidents do happen even to responsible people and that is why I would not ban abortion in the first trimester.
 

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"The 18-year-old suspect showed up unannounced at 8 a.m. to drop off the terrifying arsenal with longtime pal Matthew Casado, a 19-year-old Hispanic man who has a black girlfriend, the friend told ABC News.

Casado — whose mother described Gendron as “like my other child” — was at work at the time in Conklin, NY, about 200 miles from where the mass shooter allegedly targeted black shoppers in Buffalo the next day".


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Birth control is good but it isn't infallible so accidents do happen even to responsible people and that is why I would not ban abortion in the first trimester.
Of course, it's not 100%, it just eliminates most of the concern. Which is huge.
But that's not all. Add to that the concept of being marriage minded, and faithful to your spouse.

If you take on the one extreme a liberal-minded person who sleeps around wherever they want as much as they want for as many years as they want. Now put on the other end of that extreme a marriage minded person who gets married at a reasonable point in life and stays faithful to their spouse and also uses birth control for times when they don't want to have a baby.

The latter is not a perfect solution, but damn near.
Contrary to what liberals would have us believe, what I just described is the way most people avoid having abortions. It is not any magical rich person White privilege white supremacy etc etc. It is just being responsible and getting married and living a normal morally decent life.
 

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"The 18-year-old suspect showed up unannounced at 8 a.m. to drop off the terrifying arsenal with longtime pal Matthew Casado, a 19-year-old Hispanic man who has a black girlfriend, the friend told ABC News.

Casado — whose mother described Gendron as “like my other child” — was at work at the time in Conklin, NY, about 200 miles from where the mass shooter allegedly targeted black shoppers in Buffalo the next day".


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Wait what? I tried to piece that together but I don't think I succeeded very well mentally. Please expound or link something more.
Don't tease me like this
 
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