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Hey all you guys from foreign countries that are reading this. I'd like you guys to know that I find you, in general, a lot more talented than developers from the USA. I've worked with many foreigners in the software world, and I'd have to say that specifically the people from India and China are very good at knowing tech stuff. I'm not sure about the folks from Africa, but I believe the africans generally have a passion for doing the work. It's just too bad that our stupid country over here puts you guys in lower-level positions because they don't want their authority challenged. If I was an employer that needed people to work for me that were competent in technological matters, I'd surely hire one of you! :) for reference:

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Reading your post made me think about a lot of things.
But above all I was thinking if intelligence comes with nationality.
 

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While I have known many bright and capable people from other countries, I have also met total chowderheads - in two fields. Remember that before I switched career tracks, I was a chemist. So I have seen these foreign-born people from the zenith to the nadir in abilities. They are human - as good or as bad as any of use. Just as smart. Just as stupid.

From the conversations I have had, the really good folks you mentioned are that way because of the incredibly intense competition that spurs them on to greater heights. That in turn occurs because their countries are so overcrowded that there is no chance for mediocrity. In those conversations, more than one of them has described the competitive processes such that if 10 scholarships are available, not less than 50 people will be competing for it. The cost of that education is beyond the income of parents of humble means, and it is a great family tragedy when someone fails out of their scholarship, because that ends their college career. So when they GET their degree, they were already culled by a societal form of "survival of the fittest." Which perhaps explains your perception. You are already looking at the top 20% of their group.

Years ago, Yahoo had chat rooms (long before Facetime and Skype) where kids would come to unload. At least a couple of dozen times I would chat with someone who was despondent for failing out of school. These people were from Japan or Taiwan back then, and they were seriously considering suicide because their lives were over (according to family attitudes). They KNEW they had doomed themselves to a life of mindless menial labor by their failure. They KNEW (due to their culture's current attitudes) that they had shamed their family. I bring this up because it explains to at least some degree the intensity of social pressure to reach for that degree, to compete and climb that ladder. Therefore, if you are seeing the folks who have that degree and learned that technology, you aren't seeing the general population.

I will address another issue for the purpose of clarification. With government contracting requiring security clearances, which was true for the job I had as a Navy contractor, non-citizens are instantly disqualified. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is a Congressional mandate. So with the Navy job, I saw foreign-born guys and gals, but they had gone the "citizenship route" long before they got in with the contracting companies. Given the age group and a knowledge of history, it was not surprising to me that the bulk of foreign-born that I saw early in my career were Vietnamese who escaped the infamous "fall of Saigon."

For what it is worth, Adam, you might be amused to know that J.N., one of the Windows admins in my Navy group, didn't like Microsoft products that much either - because it was HIS job to configure them so that we could make a "master installation" disk we used to re-image new machines with all of the new security rules in-place. J. would have torn his hair out if he had any left. But he was a very knowledgeable guy from Vietnam who would probably have fallen into your category of "bright people." Other than having somewhat of a difficult accent when he got excited, he was an OK guy to work with.
 

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Hey all you guys from foreign countries that are reading this. I'd like you guys to know that I find you, in general, a lot more talented than developers from the USA.
If you (Adam) were the only example of Yankee ingenuity then yes we would be lacking. Second they are coming here seeking work, let that sink into the folds of your gray matter.

I'm curious, have ever hired anyone for professional position? Have ever sat on a hiring panel or been involved with the hiring authority?
My guess is not, I could be wrong.

You make sweeping accusation about USA, yet people are coming here in droves to part of the American experience. If capitalism is so bad and we are so lazy why are they coming? Because we set the bar so low?
 

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Reading your post made me think about a lot of things.
But above all I was thinking if intelligence comes with nationality.
I have no idea why Indians are so technically savvy, but as far as I've known, the Japanese have always been highly intelligent people as well. Like I've said before, that's exactly why I won't drive any other brand of car but a Toyota.
 

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From the conversations I have had, the really good folks you mentioned are that way because of the incredibly intense competition that spurs them on to greater heights. That in turn occurs because their countries are so overcrowded that there is no chance for mediocrity.
I know that Richard, and THAT is exactly American corporations should be taken down and the executive put in jail for their idiotic obsession with taking American capitalism into countries that were already unsustainable due to over-crowdeness. But like I've said before, and everybody knows, America ALWAYS gets its ways and if it doesn't, that's fine, they'll just start a fu**ing war to solve the problem! Some days this place just literally sucks when you are an intelligent person and know what the hell these corporate fools do on a daily basis.
 

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Adam, you are a self loathing man child who excepts no responsibility for your own actions.
 

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I'm curious, have ever hired anyone for professional position? Have ever sat on a hiring panel or been involved with the hiring authority?
yes, once. I don't know if you realize this or not AB, but as we get further into the future with this technological non-sense, it's common sense to know that corporations and people working in them will start thinking WAY too much about their jobs and over-analyzing the shit out of everything. and that of course will result in a bunch of nothing when it comes to innovation and economic growth. Mark Cuban of shark tank has already hinted at this....he says:
if you're in college, you should study philosophy and not engineering because engineering will become automated in the future. engineers will be turned into philosophical thinkers so they can learn how to program the automation and machines
I hope you realize too, that because software developers are in such great demand and the big boys can't/won't hire them if they don't meet asynchronous skill sets, those corporations will automate what needs to be done. It's inevitable. remember would you? ..... the money has to keep coming in, we have retirees like richard to think about, right? if the corporations of the world don't profit, Richard is put out on the street. although he's probably safe due to his government pension. so what choice do we have?
Adam, you are a self loathing man child who excepts no responsibility for your own actions.
i don't think so, bud. ;)
 

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Adam, AB beat me to that response. Rather than beat that dead horse, here is my response.

You moan and groan about capitalism, but the other major variants are worse. Both communism and its little brother socialism ignore the nature of the human animal. While it is a good idea for companies to "give back" to their communities, and there are "corporate raider" executives who tear apart companies for monetary gain, there is at least a simple motive for all of those apex economic predators - survival of the fittest. Capitalism is the economic equivalent of evolution. There is that inherent striving for domination that is part and parcel of capitalism. By contrast, communism stifles creativity and socialism stifles ambition.

There is that further parallel that perhaps you don't agree with, but the parable of the sower and the seeds tells us that everyone is different and "one size DOES NOT fit all." Communism and socialism tend to suppress that. Capitalism lets it happen.

Your whining and moaning and groaning about capitalism makes you what we used to call a "parlor pink" - a misguided soul who knows just enough to be dangerous. Taking down American corporations? WHY would you do something so truly silly when it is those American corporations who drive our record low unemployment. It is those American corporations that have led to increases in average wages (outstripping inflation).

All of that moaning and whining and groaning that you do make you an unpleasant person. I have tried to tell you that, but you don't listen. That's OK. You always want to "save" me from Hell. I want to save YOU from yourself. Kvetching about American corporations is sort of like being a fish in the bayou when the alligator is on the prowl. You fear being swallowed up. Your dreams from the "vivid dreams" thread reflect your anxiety that someone will finally realize just how much of a fraud you are. (NOTE: I'm NOT saying that you ARE a fraud - but that your DREAMS say you FEAR that you are.)

EDIT: Thank you for your concern that I will be put out on the street, but I was one of the guys who drove the automation process for the Navy. They didn't want me to leave but my health issues and age and a couple of other factors gave me the incentive to cut the cord. I have no government employee pension. Contractors get to "roll their own" with a 401k that gets converted to an annuity. I get Social Security plus my annuity and the combination is reasonably comfortable.
 

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I'm not a fool Richard, nor do I want to take down American companies. What I meant was that they should be done something to based on what they did. Their desire for greed is gonna come back to bite them in the ass someday.
there is at least a simple motive for all of those apex economic predators - survival of the fittest. Capitalism is the economic equivalent of evolution. There is that inherent striving for domination that is part and parcel of capitalism
I know exactly what you mean old man (;)), but if you read the words of the one who knows the hearts and souls of the people rather than what medicine and AI can figure out, you would realize that people like me, and many like me (like the monks) will be killed during the last days (if they happen in our lifetime) because Satan will be controlling the greed and desire for money. But as the prophecy by christ in revelation says....eventually Satan and the people working for him will eventually fail to prevail because Satan's kingdom is always divided against itself. And that kingdom can be DIRECTLY compared with large corporations => their methods will eventually end up in them destroying themselves and the methods they run on. and christ won't save people who insist on it and don't realize the truth before it's all over. 2 phrases from the leader in this regard:
how can his kingdom stand it Satan is divided among himself?
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stay awake, for the time is at hand. I am coming like a thief in the night. Noone knows that day and hour when I am coming, not the saints, not even the son, but the father only
so if I were you Richard, I would explore the faith before you depart the Earth. :) Just a thought....but if you do, make sure to talk to right people and not the majority who are just trying to climb the church organization ladder.
 

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I believe we have been there and done this before. Adam, I have "explored the faith" and found it to be hollow, uninspiring, and in some ways naively childish. I found no satisfaction in it the one agonizing time I really needed it. My truth from the Bible comes from Eccl 9:5 and a couple of verses after that. The peace of the grave awaits us all. We will feel no joy, no sorrow, no want, no satiety, ... nothing. We will be unaware of our situation for there will be no awareness of any kind. No torment, no torture, no strife. Non-existence awaits. Oblivion awaits. You and I will be alike in that after death, we will BOTH cease to exist, living on only in whatever little monuments and memories we can offer to others.

Your memories left behind in others, unfortunately, will be of a bitter man whom life has treated harshly and who never recovered from whatever happened to you in your formative years. I am sad for you. I don't claim to know details (and don't want to know, thank you), but I know you act and talk (and dream) like you are greatly disappointed with your lot in life but cannot find the acumen to realize that you always had control, if only you knew how to exert it and only had the WILL to do so. You don't know how to blame yourself for your dissatisfaction because it would be an admission of failure and your ego blocks that from happening.
 

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We will feel no joy, no sorrow, no want, no satiety, ... nothing. We will be unaware of our situation for there will be no awareness of any kind. No torment, no torture, no strife. Non-existence awaits. Oblivion awaits. You and I will be alike in that after death, we will BOTH cease to exist, living on only in whatever little monuments and memories we can offer to others.
then I guess I shouldn't mention that almost every day in my mind's eye I see plenty of light everywhere, not to mention overly-bright "whiteness" of a hospital wall anytime I am in an emergency exam room at the hospital. I'm not gonna put you down Richard, but if anyone asks me about you, I'm going to tell them to stay the hell away from you because your view is seriously screwed up. But I wish you luck with it. :(
 

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MY view is seriously screwed up? :LOL::ROFLMAO:🤨😏

You see plenty of light everywhere yet have such negativity. Warning folks to stay away from me? Given the religiously oriented folks you say are your preferred companions, then if you are chasing away potentially pestiferous proselytizers, thank you. I would rather a visit from a proctologist with cold hands than from one of your proselytizers with a warm heart.
 

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I've got cold hands Doc but you are safe with me. :D
 

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with a warm heart.
my view is a little negative a lot of times, and my energy level is still extremely high even though I'm fairly old at 39, but when this energy level finally drops off, more than likely I'll start acting like a real monk. but rest assured Richard, if you met me in real life, you would witness an entirely different person than what you have built up in your mind by reading my stuff here. but I'm curious....are you just like the rest of the developers in the world and only commmunicate through machines? I'm still at a loss as to why they insist on doing that...
 

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Well, darn it Adam, the only way to communicate with you right now is through a machine. My family issues keep me here on the far eastern edge of swamp country where I can help with my youngest grandson. You have job duties that keep you more than a couple of states away. But yes, there are people with whom I communicate face-to-face. It happens, you know, that some of us have a life outside of business or religious pursuits.
 

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.are you just like the rest of the developers in the world and only commmunicate through machines?

Where do you come up with this...nonsense? :poop:
 

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It happens, you know, that some of us have a life outside of business or religious pursuits.
well if I ever accumulate enough cash to take a vacation Richard, and if you would welcome me, I would travel down to your area just to meet you and show you what a compassionate soul has to offer you. :) I wouldn't mind re-visiting bourbon street either. I love those improvisors down there!
Where do you come up with this...nonsense? :poop:
I would assume anyone working for a limousine company of a size less than 1,000 people wouldn't fall into that category Paul. Or is it a trucking company you work for? I can't remember. My words are just part of the classic Evanovich-style rants.
 

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Ah, then I can give your thoughts the attention they deserve from now on. ;)
I seem to be getting a lot of negative reactions from the older crowd here. You, NG, and DOC MAN. hmmmm....is there a pattern emerging here? As it just so happens, I have quite great success talking to, and inspiring, college level kids in this town that want careers in technology. What a surprise, eh?
 
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