Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight (1 Viewer)

Thales750

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In 2020 Republicans stole 5,259,126 votes for the Real President and gave them to Trump.

Texas must end the winner take all election steel. All we need is just one time that we elect a democrat in this state and every redneck and their sister will be screaming to change our laws. They raided the Capital over a lie about voter fraud, and yet, not a single Conservative has ever complained about all the Democrat Votes that are switched to Republican.

Texas voters need to wake up.
 
Ramping up the Electoral College argument because Harris's own internal polls show she is tanking what next, pack the supreme court? When you can't win or cheat change the rules.
 
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Ramping up the Electoral College argument because Harris's own internal polls show she is tanking what next, pack the supreme court? When you can't win or cheat change the rules.
I've been against it for 40 years. It's a bs relic of a time far removed from modern reality.
Your buddy Trump tried to fix the election and you all cheered him on.
 
Texas must end the winner take all election steel.
That is up to Texas to fix. If you follow the Dem's current logic, winner take all is exactly the end run around the Constitution they are pushing for. Did you know that? The Dems want ALL states to switch to the Winner takes all rule in an effort to eliminate the impact of the Electoral College since they'll never get an amendment passed to change us from a Republic to a Democracy. That is typical Democrat logic. If you can't change the law, circumvent it or just ignore it.
Your buddy Trump tried to fix the election and you all cheered him on.
Where do you get your news? Pravda? Trump asked the Georgia governor to ensure that the election was valid since there were reports of cheating. He never told the Governor to "fix" the election. That is absolutely idiotic and only someone with TDS would think that Trump would be stupid enough to think that a Governor could just up and change the vote tallies. Do you really think that Trump thought that the Governor could simply trot on down to the counting site and change the count? If you are going to believe bad stuff about Trump at least run it through a rationality filter. The man you love to hate is not stupid or crazy, no matter how many times you say he is. And the more idiotic lies and mistruths you choose to believe, the less I believe in your sanity. You only wish all these crazy lies were true but this is backfiring. The more idiotic lies the left manufactures, the more they misquoted Trump, the more people like Maddow "channel" him and tell us what Trump is reallllllly thinking, the more uncommitted people wake up to see how the media is lying to them. And no one likes to be lied to. The left has overplayed their hand. They had an easy and HONEST beat of Trump. All they needed was to run someone who wasn't a Marxist. This country isn't buying what the Left is currently selling but they would have had a lot of trouble choosing Trump over someone sane like Tulsi Gabbard. Instead, they inflicted Harris on the Democrat voters without even allowing them to think they chose her. Any voter with half a brain should be incensed. How DARE the Democrat party steal my primary vote. They should have been marching in the streets. I don't think the Dems can cheat enough to drag her to victory even if we count ballots until Jan 19th. We will be watching. There will be people outside the counting centers filming every box that enters the building once the polls close and who delivered it. There will be no more of this "finding" boxes of ballots three weeks after the polls close. There will be no shredding trucks outside the door shredding the envelopes so there can be no comparison of the count of envelops to the count of ballots.
 
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Ramping up the Electoral College argument because Harris's own internal polls show she is tanking what next, pack the supreme court? When you can't win or cheat change the rules.
Now, what law abiding person would want to stack the court?
 
I've been against it for 40 years. It's a bs relic of a time far removed from modern reality.

Yet there are those of us whose eyes are open enough to see that if it became a "pure" popularity contest, based on raw numbers regardless of state lines, the candidates would end up not caring about low-population states. They would just make campaign visits to the big-city states. Which is EXACTLY why the Electoral College was devised. Without it, the low-population states would ALWAYS be at the tail end of the benefits line and would ALWAYS get the dregs. And that is why the EC still retains relevance. It is one of those pesky little "check-and-balance" things. In a country where people can vote for those "grab someone else's money" candidates, those of us who are right on the edge after retirement need to be protected from such politicians. Because, as Greece proved several years ago, socialism fails when they run out of someone else's money to spend.

As to the Texas "winner take all" issue - it might break your heart to hear this, but the U.S. Constitution CLEARLY explains that STATES decide specifics of how they vote. Sure, you COULD simply apportion votes from the electoral districts according to the proportions for each candidate if you wanted. That would be closer to a popular vote method. But if Texas decides to not dilute their state's electoral votes by instead making it a "winner take all" state, that IS their right. It is how you protect people from the greed or envy of others. It is how you prevent the "Tyranny of the Majority" from becoming a major issue.

For what it is worth, the Roman Empire fell because of several factors, one of which was that the Roman citizens discovered that they could vote benefits for themselves, which led to complacency. When you don't have checks and balances in place, people will simply say "take that other person's money 'cause he's got more than I have." And DON'T you DARE say it wouldn't happen, because it happens a lot. Joe Biden's initiative to forgive college loans is an example of taking money away from intended purposes by forgiving those loans that were backed by Congress. But that money was already spent and, if the loan is forgiven, won't be replaced so easily. People need to learn about fiscal responsibility. This country was FOUNDED based on self-sufficiency and personal responsibility.

People need an INCENTIVE to improve themselves. What happened during the COVID era here in the USA is that folks got comfortable on all that federal assistance. But paraphrasing Ben Franklin, hunger is the best incentive.
 
For what it is worth, the Roman Empire fell because of several factors, one of which was that the Roman citizens discovered that they could vote benefits for themselves, which led to complacency. When you don't have checks and balances in place, people will simply say "take that other person's money 'cause he's got more than I have." And DON'T you DARE say it wouldn't happen, because it happens a lot. Joe Biden's initiative to forgive college loans is an example of taking money away from intended purposes by forgiving those loans that were backed by Congress. But that money was already spent and, if the loan is forgiven, won't be replaced so easily. People need to learn about fiscal responsibility. This country was FOUNDED based on self-sufficiency and personal responsibility.
The quote below, has often been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville. Evidently, according to CheckYourFact, that's not true. Nevertheless it perfectly sums up what Congress is doing. Bribing many through the promise of free stuff. Needless to say, those craving free stuff would vote for those politicians thereby exacerbating limitless deficit spending.
The American Republic Will Endure Until The Day Congress Discovers That It Can Bribe The Public With The Public’s Money’.
 
A side note for Jon, who believes that voting is futile:

The punishment suffered by the wise who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of bad men. - Plato

A direct note for Thales750:

In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power. - Marcus Tullius Cicero

And this one, for everyone:

Democracy shall fall due to attempting to please everybody.
The poor shall desire wealth of the rich. And democracy shall grant them wealth.
The young shall desire respect of the elders. And democracy shall grant them respect.
The foreigners shall desire privileges of the natives. And democracy shall grant them privileges.
The women shall desire to be equal to men. And democracy shall grant them equality.
The crook and the wicked shall desire to rule. And democracy shall grant them important positions within the Republic.
And when finally the crook and the wicked are elected democratically, there shall be worse tyranny than has been during any monarchy or oligarchy.

- Socrates

THIS is why we have to remind Papa Joe and Kamala that the USA is NOT A DEMOCRACY. It is a republic. "Progressive Liberal" is just another way of saying "destroy the republic."
 
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"We MUST jail Trump to keep anyone from voting for him." -- That's pretty much what Joe said yesterday. And no rational Democrat even bats an eyelash. They are perfectly OK with bearing false witness against Trump and weaponizing the DOJ to try to convict Trump of some non-crime. We have ample evidence from the forum posters here. Apparently the rational Democrats are afraid of being cancelled so they dare not criticize the warfare being conducted against Trump, even here which is a relatively safe space. Sadly, they are all on board with violating Trump's Constitutional rights just because Trump makes mean tweets. They have been brainwashed into believing that "democracy" (with a small d as in "our democracy" as the Democrats call it) means that someone can prevent you from voting for the candidate of your choice and you have to be OK with that like they did with the Democrat Primary. STEALING YOUR vote is the new "democracy" with a small "d" being pushed by the Marxists now masquerading as Democrats. If you can't be trusted to vote for the anointed candidate, you can't be trusted to vote at all.
 
That was the crowd chanting and Trump went along with the joke. What did Trump actually DO as President? Did he persecute Hilary? Did he persecute any Democrat? No. In fact, he immediately made peace by telling Hillary that he was NOT going to prosecute her crimes. He was NOT going to lock her up. So, going along with the crowd was fun and everyone got a kick out of it at the rallies but when he had the power to persecute the Democrats, Trump chose not to because it would be unseemly for a former First Lady to be prosecuted and jailed.

What did the Democrats do when they took power? They impeached him twice. They interfered ceaselessly with his administration. They persecuted Trump with all the effort they could muster. They put thousands of his supporters in jail for the heinous crime of "parading". Once he was out of office, they charged him with non-crimes. They hired people to accuse him of r*** and made it impossible for him to defend himself. They even tried to keep him off the ballot once it was certain that he was going to win the primary despite all their efforts.

But, you know what? This time, he is a lame duck. He's not getting elected again. He's never running again. The Democrats have committed actual crimes and violated Trump's Constitutional rights and forced him to spend MILLIONS of dollars. These are actual crimes and I really hope that this time he has a change of heart and has an AG that sees things the same way and goes after the cheating, lying Democrats with a vengeance. You reap what you sow and not a single Republican will come to your defense because the crimes are real unlike the crimes that Trump has been charged with. They are not made up. Notice that now when the crowd chants "lock them up". He doesn't ask them to stop and he even repeats the chant. This does not bode well for the criminals.
 
Out of 60 presidential elections, 55 resulted in outcomes that were considered acceptable, with both the Electoral College and the popular vote supporting the winning candidate. Only 5 have not, dating back to Washington.

It's definitely not broken, but when it hasn't aligned it's mostly favored republicans and that might be the real issue. ;)
Below is the list of the five, the first three are not even in modern times.

  • John Quincy Adams (1824)
  • Rutherford B. Hayes (1876)
  • Benjamin Harrison (1888)
  • George W. Bush (2000)
  • Donald Trump (2016)
 
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That is up to Texas to fix. If you follow the Dem's current logic, winner take all is exactly the end run around the Constitution they are pushing for. Did you know that? The Dems want ALL states to switch to the Winner takes all rule in an effort to eliminate the impact of the Electoral College since they'll never get an amendment passed to change us from a Republic to a Democracy. That is typical Democrat logic. If you can't change the law, circumvent it or just ignore it.

Where do you get your news? Pravda? Trump asked the Georgia governor to ensure that the election was valid since there were reports of cheating. He never told the Governor to "fix" the election. That is absolutely idiotic and only someone with TDS would think that Trump would be stupid enough to think that a Governor could just up and change the vote tallies. Do you really think that Trump thought that the Governor could simply trot on down to the counting site and change the count? If you are going to believe bad stuff about Trump at least run it through a rationality filter. The man you love to hate is not stupid or crazy, no matter how many times you say he is. And the more idiotic lies and mistruths you choose to believe, the less I believe in your sanity. You only wish all these crazy lies were true but this is backfiring. The more idiotic lies the left manufactures, the more they misquoted Trump, the more people like Maddow "channel" him and tell us what Trump is reallllllly thinking, the more uncommitted people wake up to see how the media is lying to them. And no one likes to be lied to. The left has overplayed their hand. They had an easy and HONEST beat of Trump. All they needed was to run someone who wasn't a Marxist. This country isn't buying what the Left is currently selling but they would have had a lot of trouble choosing Trump over someone sane like Tulsi Gabbard. Instead, they inflicted Harris on the Democrat voters without even allowing them to think they chose her. Any voter with half a brain should be incensed. How DARE the Democrat party steal my primary vote. They should have been marching in the streets. I don't think the Dems can cheat enough to drag her to victory even if we count ballots until Jan 19th. We will be watching. There will be people outside the counting centers filming every box that enters the building once the polls close and who delivered it. There will be no more of this "finding" boxes of ballots three weeks after the polls close. There will be no shredding trucks outside the door shredding the envelopes so there can be no comparison of the count of envelops to the count of ballots.
Newsweek
Associated Press
The Wall Street Journal
Every news agency in the world other than the Conservative Conspiracy Theory brainwashing machine.

You listen to conservative brainwashing exclusively, and you honestly believe you are enlightened.
 
Out of 60 presidential elections, 55 resulted in outcomes that were considered acceptable, with both the Electoral College and the popular vote supporting the winning candidate. Only 5 have not, dating back to Washington.

It's definitely not broken, but when it hasn't aligned it's mostly favored republicans and that might be the real issue. ;)
Below is the list of the five, the first three are not even in modern times.

  • John Quincy Adams (1824)
  • Rutherford B. Hayes (1876)
  • Benjamin Harrison (1888)
  • George W. Bush (2000)
  • Donald Trump (2016)
That is correct, and look at the time lapse. The Electoral College has become slanted away from the people's choice. It is no longer useful. If it was leaning towards Democrats the outrage would be thousands of times larger than it is now.

There are no worse victims than MAGA.

But, all that aside. Texas should be forced by it's residence population to stop the winner-take-all process. We are not some backwoods southern religious fanatic state, or the heart land.
We are Texas, the second most dynamic economy in the US and the closest to being purple of any of the big states.

The only reason you care, is that no republican would become president without the 5 million stolen Texas votes.
 
Yet there are those of us whose eyes are open enough to see that if it became a "pure" popularity contest, based on raw numbers regardless of state lines, the candidates would end up not caring about low-population states. They would just make campaign visits to the big-city states. Which is EXACTLY why the Electoral College was devised. Without it, the low-population states would ALWAYS be at the tail end of the benefits line and would ALWAYS get the dregs. And that is why the EC still retains relevance. It is one of those pesky little "check-and-balance" things. In a country where people can vote for those "grab someone else's money" candidates, those of us who are right on the edge after retirement need to be protected from such politicians. Because, as Greece proved several years ago, socialism fails when they run out of someone else's money to spend.

As to the Texas "winner take all" issue - it might break your heart to hear this, but the U.S. Constitution CLEARLY explains that STATES decide specifics of how they vote. Sure, you COULD simply apportion votes from the electoral districts according to the proportions for each candidate if you wanted. That would be closer to a popular vote method. But if Texas decides to not dilute their state's electoral votes by instead making it a "winner take all" state, that IS their right. It is how you protect people from the greed or envy of others. It is how you prevent the "Tyranny of the Majority" from becoming a major issue.

For what it is worth, the Roman Empire fell because of several factors, one of which was that the Roman citizens discovered that they could vote benefits for themselves, which led to complacency. When you don't have checks and balances in place, people will simply say "take that other person's money 'cause he's got more than I have." And DON'T you DARE say it wouldn't happen, because it happens a lot. Joe Biden's initiative to forgive college loans is an example of taking money away from intended purposes by forgiving those loans that were backed by Congress. But that money was already spent and, if the loan is forgiven, won't be replaced so easily. People need to learn about fiscal responsibility. This country was FOUNDED based on self-sufficiency and personal responsibility.

People need an INCENTIVE to improve themselves. What happened during the COVID era here in the USA is that folks got comfortable on all that federal assistance. But paraphrasing Ben Franklin, hunger is the best incentive.
I know all that, acting like you're more enlightened than people that don't agree with your brand of fundamentalism, a trait of our modern contempt saturated society.

Once again I earlier said the the People of Texas should get rid of the criminals that run our election process. We should not have a winner take all in Texas.
 

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