the debt ceiling (1 Viewer)

[HillTJ]

@Isaac , i go back to your post #36, i think, where you discuss the breakdown of family values. My wife grew up in an extended family in the pacific islands. Kids went to school, their parents went to work & the grand parents hung around the home. There was always someone home to greet the kids after school, give them a snack, make sure they did their homework, got them ready for bed & maybe started an evening meal prep.

When the parents arrived home, they knew what the situation was & a load was taken off their evening routine.

Grand Parents had a sense of worth, had somewhere to stay, food on the table & the whole family benefited from their wisdom. Grand Parents also were sensitive to the family's needs and would 'dissapear' when the parents/kids needed some alone time.

Culture aside, doesn't this model overcome many of "modern" societies problems?. Who's the 3rd world now?

 

[Isaac]

@Isaac , i go back to your post #36, i think, where you discuss the breakdown of family values. My wife grew up in an extended family in the pacific islands. Kids went to school, their parents went to work & the grand parents hung around the home. There was always someone home to greet the kids after school, give them a snack, make sure they did their homework, got them ready for bed & maybe started an evening meal prep.

When the parents arrived home, they knew what the situation was & a load was taken off their evening routine.

Grand Parents had a sense of worth, had somewhere to stay, food on the table & the whole family benefited from their wisdom. Grand Parents also were sensitive to the family's needs and would 'dissapear' when the parents/kids needed some alone time.

Culture aside, doesn't this model overcome many of "modern" societies problems?. Who's the 3rd world now?

Yes - when traditional families thrive, it solves dozens and dozens of problems. It's really amazing, the design of whatever one wants to call it - "nature" or God - just cannot be beat. Although society can try really really hard to constantly invent new paradigms to accommodate their evolving appetites - which really haven't evolved at all, but simply been magnified via encouragement and attention.

Speaking of this - and the implied topics of all the 'alternative' ways of being, I read something interesting in an Abnormal Psychology book last night. They were talking about disociative disorders of all kinds. Specifically when discussing the history of multiple personality disorders, they admitted that there is still much debate among doctors and researchers about the validity of these diagnosis. The textbook author admitted that everyone found it quite interesting how, during a particular decade after the subject began to receive MUCH media attention of all types, the number of people suddenly having this "clinical" disorder rose drastically.

In other words, as society and information and media and learning began to influence people that this was an option, they suddenly - and magically - began to have it in droves. Certain obvious parallels can be drawn between this and other subjects, but shhhh ... it's Taboo.

 

[Steve R.]

Liz Peek made on of those, why didn't I think of it comments. Associated with the debt ceiling bickering is the issue of how many of the proposed Democratic entitlements would be paid for. (Unbelievably Biden claimed they wouldn't cost anything.) Liz pointed out that Social Security and Medicare will be running out of money in the near future. Given that, why doesn't Congress fix existing programs rather than propose new programs. As an add-on, if you can't manage existing programs effectively, you should not be proposing new programs.

 

[Isaac]

They are also increasingly penalizing married couples in tax law. Can you imagine - doing something you know is the exact opposite of what leads to a healthy society??

I'm starting to believe Dan Bongino's thought provoking question:

Hypothetically, if the Democrats goal was to destroy America, what would they be doing differently than they are now?

 

[AccessBlaster]

Dan bongino might fight back against liberalism but repubs on the hill won't, that's the real issue.

 

[Isaac]

I believe they are stymied from doing so by an american public that increasingly supports the democrats positions. It may be stupid, mis-guided, a result of all kinds of misinformation and lack of understanding, judgment and foresight - but it is, just the same. They can only do so much otherwise they could be voted OUT and then be able to do nothing.

That's the way i see it. if it's currently dems 51% rep 49%, the rep's can't afford to cater to the 35% staunchly conservatives.
They have to maintain the support of the 49 and even try to get 51 so they can at least achieve their half-a**ed pushback efforts

 

[Pat Hartman]

Given that, why doesn't Congress fix existing programs rather than propose new programs. As an add-on, if you can't manage existing programs effectively, you should not be proposing new programs.

SS has been "fixed" multiple times. The "fix" has always been to raise more money now to cover the KNOWN upcoming dip. The existence of the baby boomer bubble has been known since the early 60's when the bubble burst. The problem is that Johnson "discovered" the SS "lock box" and moved it into the general fund so the extra money SS has been collecting since the 80's was spent long ago on other stuff, NOT what it was intended for. The "lock box" is empty. SS is paid out of current funds. There is no money to cover the upcoming shortfall.

 

[conception_native_0123]

back to the original issue.... What in the world does budget reconciliation mean?

 

[AccessBlaster]

I believe they are stymied from doing so by an american public that increasingly supports the democrats positions. It may be stupid, mis-guided, a result of all kinds of misinformation and lack of understanding, judgment and foresight - but it is, just the same. They can only do so much otherwise they could be voted OUT and then be able to do nothing.

That's the way i see it. if it's currently dems 51% rep 49%, the rep's can't afford to cater to the 35% staunchly conservatives.
They have to maintain the support of the 49 and even try to get 51 so they can at least achieve their half-a**ed pushback efforts

The democrats positions are wildly unpopular viewed though the lens of Biden's recent poll numbers. He's basically cratering in every demographic. But will the repubs take advantage?

 

[Isaac]

The democrats positions are wildly unpopular viewed though the lens of Biden's recent poll numbers. He's basically cratering in every demographic. But will the repubs take advantage?

Hoping!! With all this Democrat infighting, if the Republicans are careful they can take things back........But what about the Trump factor?
This makes things annoying, because whether we want him to or not, he's still all over the scene.

So many people I would rather be president - I'd vote for Candace Owens in a heartbeat. But we may never get those kinds of choices.

 

[conception_native_0123]

Candice Owens is too busy trying to find the right man

 

[AccessBlaster]

Candice Owens is too busy trying to find the right man

Man, I thought I was random.

 

[conception_native_0123]

Man, I thought I was random.

There was a reference there. A while back, Candice Owens said in an interview on CNN that she wished there were more men with balls in the political arena nowadays.

 

[Pat Hartman]

The Democrats with their Political Correctness have done a pretty good job of emasculating men. They can't disagree with a women because that makes them a mishogenist. They can't argue with a homosexual because that makes them a homophobe. They can't disagree with a person of a different race because that makes them a racist. They can't object to illegal immigration because that makes them callus and uncaring. What about he poor children? sob, sob. There is nothing a man can do to defend himself that isn't going to get him called names. Conservative women have the same problem but not as pronounced because they are not part of the patriarch and technically women are victims also..

You guys just have to suck it up buttercup and get back in the game.

 

[Steve R.]

Biden just spoke on the debt ceiling once again. Biden, at his inauguration speech, promised that he would be a "unifying" and "healing" President. His presentation today once again demonstrated that Biden is a "divisive" and "hateful" President. To paraphrase Biden's remarks: "The Republicans caused the debt ceiling crises. It is time for the nasty Republicans to do the right-thing and stop opposing the heroic Democrats from saving the Country from vile Republican mismanagement. Come-on man!!"

By coincidence, Mark Levin had another excellent analysis of the Democrats using scare tactics to inimidate the public through lies to get the debt ceiling relaxed. Again, I need to reiterate that the debt ceiling has been a known constraint for some time. For Congress to wail so that it becomes a crises is despicable. The obvious solution propose a budget where revenue and spending are balanced. Clearly Congress, especially the Democrats in this case, want a manufactured crises so that they can push their socialist agenda. (Not to also mention simply rolling over any Republican objections.)

Levin picks away Democratic 'scare tactics' one by one | Fox News Video

Mark Levin, host of Life, Liberty & Levin, rebutted the Democrats' scare tactics, such as that Congress will cause a default on the debt.

video.foxnews.com

 

[Isaac]

They (Democrats in general and Biden in particular) are crashing and burning, man - enjoy the show, I'm just making popcorn at this point, until 2022.

 

[NauticalGent]

I'm just making popcorn at this point, until 2022.

It's ok to dream, just don't take it too hard when nothing comes of it.

 

[AccessBlaster]

They (Democrats in general and Biden in particular) are crashing and burning, man - enjoy the show, I'm just making popcorn at this point, until 2022.

While I certainly hope you are right about 2022 midterms. There were significant cheating in the prior election and that was hailed as the most secure of all time with uncle Joe getting the most votes ever. With democrats in all key areas of government and spineless Republicans it might be a forgone conclusion.

 

[Steve R.]

While I certainly hope you are right about 2022 midterms. There were significant cheating in the prior election and that was hailed as the most secure of all time with uncle Joe getting the most votes ever. With democrats in all key areas of government and spineless Republicans it might be a forgone conclusion.

That is my fear. The Democrats by 2022 may have "fixed" the election process to favor them. Not only that, but the spineless Republicans never seen to actually undo the progressive big government legislation imposed by Democrats.

 

[Isaac]

It's ok to dream, just don't take it too hard when nothing comes of it.

WAH!