When will the world end?

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I have some dry cleaning to get done? 2012 seems very popular with some groups as the end of the world?

We all have differnat beliefs and interpretations of observations, so does anyone think about the end of the world, and if they do when do they think it will be? Will it be when teh sun burns out, or global warmin takes its toll, or an Armeggedon type event.


Its the new year lets see how this thread goes. Judging by the the "Anyone finding it financially ...." I'm not convinced it will go so well.

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Re: When will teh world end?

Please define the end of the world, do you just mean the end of mankind?.

Brian
 
Re: When will teh world end?

Please define the end of the world, do you just mean the end of mankind?.

Brian

Thats open to interpretation and completely up to you Brian.
 
Re: When will teh world end?

Ok, guess it's when I die then.

Brian
 
Re: When will teh world end?

Ok, guess it's when I die then.

Brian

I admire you honesty in your interest in self, if not your interest in self in itself.

Though I doubt it of much interest to those who dont know you.
 
Re: When will teh world end?

The only other answer I can come up with is when the world explodes and ceases to be a planet, all other scenarios mean that the world is still here, possibly even with life in the form of bacteria.

Brian
 
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Well Anthony this thread did not exactly set the world alight , was it prompted by the Mayan alleged "prophecy".

There has been an article in our press recently and there appears to be some disagreement by the experts , when isn't there, as to what the calendar actually means, but the article also mentioned that people are buying bunkers to withstand whatever is going to happen so that they survive. This raises an interesting question, would you want to be a survivor on a planet that had suffered a major disaster, wiping all life as we know it?

I would have thought for the religious the answer is simple, but anyway what do people think?
I do not want to hijack your thread but just add to it, is that ok?

Brian


O yes my answer is no
 
Re: When will teh world end?

In approx 1 billion years, probably just before lunch :p.

Scientists reckon that by then the expansion of the Sun during it's transition to a red giant will have completely destroy the Earth biosphere.

Now don't get me started on the so called Mayan prediction I'll leave that up to Neil Degrasse - clicky
 
Re: When will teh world end?

In approx 1 billion years, probably just before lunch :p.

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I wont use Johnsons then!



This thread was prompted by listening to radio 4, which was talking about the various beliefs (from the science to the religiuos and all in between) a week or two ago.
I thought maybe some on the forum, who have an interest in the universe and physics would have found this thread a perfect setting to discuss their theories.

Adding to the thread is good Brian - and my answer to your question is no also. That sounds like hell, the survivor wouldnt last long would they in such an alien environment.

If it was just me and Scarlet Johanson left in an island paradise - then the answer is yes!
 
Re: When will teh world end?

LOL, in that scenario an old guy like me wouldn't last long but what a way to go.

Brian

You wouldnt know whether you were coming or going!

I dont think I'd last long either ?! ;-)
 
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... would you want to be a survivor on a planet that had suffered a major disaster, wiping all life as we know it?

Already work there, fortunately there is life outside this building ;)
 
Re: When will teh world end?

It will surely end someday. That's for sure. How? When? Who knows?
 
Re: When will teh world end?

The world will end at 3 o'clock.

3:30 in Newfoundland.
 
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When Will the World End?

The Earth has excellent chances to continue its existence as a planet for a very long time to come. The human species is highly intelligent and adaptable, and it seems likely that at least some people will continue living on the earth for hundreds if not thousands of years.
But if the "End of the World" can be thought of as the end of the world we know - the end of civilization, the end of modern cities where millions of people live in close proximity, the end of surplus food and water, global transportation, high art and fashion, advanced science, (the list goes on and on), then I think the time frame is far shorter.
The society we know is in deep trouble.
All the surface ice on Greenland melted a couple of weeks ago, to the utter astonishment of scientists.
There are methane plumes in the Antarctic unlike anything seen before. The methane is shooting straight up into the atmosphere, and methane is a greenhouse gas, ten times worse than CO2. Disastrous weather is becoming commonplace, and heat records are shattered every year, if not almost every day. The food chain is fragile and some of the links are on the verge of breaking. There's the mysterious appearance of honeybee colony collapse, the worldwide decline of amphibians, decline of menhaden (bait fish that feed the bigger fish), decline of rain forest, decline of arctic ice, decline of coastline. Human populations are growing, and resources are shrinking. Ocean currents are changing, and "100 year storms" seem to happen every year or so. Almost every measure of our health as a society, and our planet's health as our environment, is alarming.

If I can use the example of a chemical reaction, it continues until at least one of the necessary components is exhausted. That component is the limiting reagent. The reaction cannot continue indefinitely - it can only go on as long as it is supplied with the compounds and conditions required for the reaction to occur. Civilization’s limiting reagent is cheap energy, and cheap energy is getting scarcer. When cheap energy is gone, we're gone. Don't tell me about solar and wind. Fossil fuels have always done the heavy lifting, and I don't see any way for that to change. Solar and wind energy can heat your home and even provide juice for your appliances, but don't ever expect them to power cars, ships, planes, trains, and heavy industrial machinery. Cold fusion, anti-matter reactors, and other far flung, sci-fi scenarios are fantasies. Oil is king. There were < 1 billion people on the earth until the industrial revolution, which was fueled by abundant, cheap energy. There are > 7 billion now. If and when industrialization ends due to the lack of cheap energy, we can expect population levels to return to pre-industrial levels. What do you think will happen to about 6 billion of us? I use the term "cheap energy" with care. At the start of the industrial revolution, oil (which up until then had been an agricultural nuisance), was lying about in large amounts all over the place. Well all that oil is gone. Now, you have to go miles off shore and thousands of feet deep to get it. If it takes more energy to obtain the oil than it yields, you have a net loss and there's no point in getting it. The amount of energy in the universe is a fixed constant. It's only the cheap energy that we need and can use.


The economic outlook is no better - the global economy is teetering and if it goes there might be no way back. If oil is civilization's fuel, the economy is its engine. In a failing economy, people have to work harder and harder for less and less. In a failed economy, there is no way for a person or a government to function or provide - other than growing his/her own food or taking it from someone else. The economy is everything. It's not just about the inflation rate or the borrowing rate or the unemployment rate. Economic gain of some kind is the underlying motive for pretty much all human activities.

Things seem to be getting worse all the time and the only solution our leaders have, is to paint a sunny face on it and just keep kicking the can down the road. Well, the end of the road may be in sight. I'm thinking in terms of a few decades. Obviously I don't know society is going to collapse. I hope I'm wrong. Despite all our ills, we're an interesting species and I'm pretty proud of what's been accomplished, despite my forebodings. But I'm worried. I'm worried about anybody younger than 60. Fortunately for me I'm 61. Just made it. Of course, my timing could be offffffdfjosalnfsdfs...........................
 
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... the only solution our leaders have is to paint a sunny face on it and just keep kicking the can down the road.
...

The majority of our leaders have their fingers in their ears and are happily singing "La La La ..."
 
Re: When will teh world end?

In approx 1 billion years, probably just before lunch :p.

Scientists reckon that by then the expansion of the Sun during it's transition to a red giant will have completely destroy the Earth biosphere.

The Sun won't be a Red Giant in a billion years. It is only in mid life now and will go on for another four or five billion years before that stage.

However life's inevitable crisis comes much sooner because, like any star the Sun grows hotter as it ages. A billion years from now it will be too hot for water to remain liquid and we will lose the oceans to space.

Mars will be about the right distance at that time. Some scientists have proposed guiding objects from the Kupier belt into close encounters with the Earth to add orbital energy to the planet and get it out further. We only need one large well aimed shot every thousand years to do it.

Of course the objects are so large that a direct hit would be our doom and we only have to get it right a million times in a row.:rolleyes:

Personally I think a more likely scenario will be a slow transition of consciousness into heat resistant forms. The research into carbon nanomaterials as computers and motors is the first step to integration of organic life as cyborgs but eventually we will convert to silicon and other heat resistant materials that don't require water.

However there won't be as many of them as there are humans now. Everything will run on solar energy.
 
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I'm supposed to be buying a house in a few weeks, shall I wait or go ahead with the purchase?
 
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The Sun won't be a Red Giant in a billion years. It is only in mid life now and will go on for another four or five billion years before that stage.

Whew! That's a relief. I thought it was just 1 billion.
:)
 
Re: When will teh world end?

I figure the world will end when we run out of beer.
 

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