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When's the next Access Release
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Pat, are you sure that you haven't got a lorry that drives past your house with the back doors slightly ajar?
Maybe Mission is in spy mode checking up on your 'licences'
I dread the thought of an Access Pervert but hey, each to their own (and he didn't deny it either!)
Maybe Mission is in spy mode checking up on your 'licences'
I dread the thought of an Access Pervert but hey, each to their own (and he didn't deny it either!)
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Fizzio said:I dread the thought of an Access Pervert but hey, each to their own (and he didn't deny it either!)
HEY!!
Ok, I'm no Access pervert. I do develop databases and am getting more oppurtunities to do it at work. Most of our clients would like to use Excel to track material usages, and for the most part that works. But one day in my effort to use Excel to do something, I realized that there was no practical way to make it work, so I tinkered with Access and managed to make it work. Now trying to offer it to more of our company clients.
BUT, I am loathe to call myself one since I am no where near the level of most of the people here (hence why I ask so many questions
).Pat Hartman said
-That may be one of the rare occasions I have seen Pat show some humor (which is probably good for people like me, since she ends up posting superb answers to questionsBTW, if you are not a developer, what are you doing here asking questions? Are you some sort of a pervert?I wonder what the shrinks would call someone who pretends to be a developer just so he can ask technical questions?
)Back to the topic of the Action Pack subscription, I am tempted to give it a shot since it is just so much cheaper than forking over the money for the developer's edition of Office XP (Not to mention all the other software!), and I just need something to try things out on my own away from work (where I need to keep my billability up!). But I wouldn't be able to try and take up any freelance work or charity work since the license doesn't allow for it, and I wouldn't want to break the law or cut into Microsoft's profit, now would it?
Guess after the year of subscription is up, I either fork over more money or immediately cease use of and to destroy all copies of any Microsoft Products provided with or licensed under the Subscription.
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I know it doesn't include the developer edition, just meant it would be more worthwhile to get the Action Pack over the developers edition (which is probably the one I'd get it I were to get the full retail version).
Microsoft Action Pack Subscription
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/SalesMarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/
Microsoft Action Pack Subscription (USA)
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/actionpackus.aspx
Check out www.viosoftware.com for some pretty good prices on software!! $480 for Microsoft Office XP Developer Full Version and $294 for Microsoft Office XP Pro Full Version OEM.
Microsoft Action Pack Subscription
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/SalesMarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/
Microsoft Action Pack Subscription (USA)
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/actionpackus.aspx
Check out www.viosoftware.com for some pretty good prices on software!! $480 for Microsoft Office XP Developer Full Version and $294 for Microsoft Office XP Pro Full Version OEM.
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I meant that I wouldn't only be able to create anything anything (Excel, Access, Word, PowerPoint) for use at work with the Action Pack Subscription software since it must be used for internal business use, testing, evaluation, demonstration, training, and educational purposes only.
The Developers Edition of Ofice XP includes everything the Professional version does PLUS Developer Tools and FrontPage.
The Developers Edition of Ofice XP includes everything the Professional version does PLUS Developer Tools and FrontPage.
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VB, VBA, DAO, ADO & .NET
This may or may not be the best place for this only because of the direction this thread took concerning the Action Pack Subscription but here goes...
I am just starting to get a handle on VBA for Access and Excel (though I haven't used VBA for Excel recently).
Am clueless for DAO or ADO.
Not even very sure what .NET is (something to do with XML capabilities and exchanging data?)
http://www.microsoft.com/net/basics/
If I can bring myself to try and learn something beyond VBA ( even though I have a LONG way to go with VBA!), where should I start? What should I try and learn?
HAH! Here I am talking about programmng and I don't even know SQL. Even though I can look at simple SQL and kind of understand it. (Keyword is simple)
Maybe a better starting point would be to learn SQL?
This may or may not be the best place for this only because of the direction this thread took concerning the Action Pack Subscription but here goes...
I am just starting to get a handle on VBA for Access and Excel (though I haven't used VBA for Excel recently).
Am clueless for DAO or ADO.
Not even very sure what .NET is (something to do with XML capabilities and exchanging data?)
http://www.microsoft.com/net/basics/
If I can bring myself to try and learn something beyond VBA ( even though I have a LONG way to go with VBA!), where should I start? What should I try and learn?
HAH! Here I am talking about programmng and I don't even know SQL. Even though I can look at simple SQL and kind of understand it. (Keyword is simple)
Maybe a better starting point would be to learn SQL?
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The notorious "DLL Hell"
9999 dll's in the PC, 9999 dll's, take one down pass it around 10,000 dlls in the PC!
The never ending story
9999 dll's in the PC, 9999 dll's, take one down pass it around 10,000 dlls in the PC!
The never ending story
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Pat Hartman said:
The beer version..this is MS's version =).
The more DLL's the more pricy =).
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Hello - don't know if you all are still checking this thread, but I just saw it now.
About licensing - I agree with Pat that developers should get their money and that if nobody pirated that prices would (in theory - but I doubt it) go down, but I've always felt that software prices punish people just starting out. Students, or those wanting to learn software, can't afford the asking prices (or would rather spend it on beer) and employees wanting to learn something new can't always justify the expense to their employers. Yes they have trial versions, but they always leave you worrying about things like time (like a 30 day period) or wondering what's missing from the real version.
I guess my point is that it seems as if software producers have created their own mess - they jack up prices to the point where some people couldn't even consider purchasing it, forcing them to find other means (ie I once signed up for a class at my local college just so I could have access to the labs).
I guess we'll see when Palladium (sp? - MS new OS which apparantly will help wipe out pirating) is launched if prices go down. In the meantime, I'm gonna check out the subsciption option Pat mentioned. We need it for our business that Cosmos and I own (Legitimate Business Inc.), right Cosmos? (wink, wink)
-Sean
About licensing - I agree with Pat that developers should get their money and that if nobody pirated that prices would (in theory - but I doubt it) go down, but I've always felt that software prices punish people just starting out. Students, or those wanting to learn software, can't afford the asking prices (or would rather spend it on beer) and employees wanting to learn something new can't always justify the expense to their employers. Yes they have trial versions, but they always leave you worrying about things like time (like a 30 day period) or wondering what's missing from the real version.
I guess my point is that it seems as if software producers have created their own mess - they jack up prices to the point where some people couldn't even consider purchasing it, forcing them to find other means (ie I once signed up for a class at my local college just so I could have access to the labs).
I guess we'll see when Palladium (sp? - MS new OS which apparantly will help wipe out pirating) is launched if prices go down. In the meantime, I'm gonna check out the subsciption option Pat mentioned. We need it for our business that Cosmos and I own (Legitimate Business Inc.), right Cosmos? (wink, wink)
-Sean
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What's Next?
Microsoft hints at what the future might hold for Access.
"Longhorn isn't scheduled for release until 2006, so you don't have to rush to toss out Access 2003. This long delay means an Access developer can take the time to ramp up to the new technologies in a more leisurely way. Here are some suggestions for what to focus on. Learn as much as you can about .NET. It isn't going away, and the learning curve is long (if not terribly steep)."
Moving to .NET
Microsoft hints at what the future might hold for Access.
"Longhorn isn't scheduled for release until 2006, so you don't have to rush to toss out Access 2003. This long delay means an Access developer can take the time to ramp up to the new technologies in a more leisurely way. Here are some suggestions for what to focus on. Learn as much as you can about .NET. It isn't going away, and the learning curve is long (if not terribly steep)."
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This is one man's opinion.
Microsoft DESERVES to have their software pirated because of their ignorance regarding a little concept called backwards compatibility. Not to mention their ignorance regarding the (lack of) security built in to their operating systems. To think that your O/S is suitable to support issues regarding data falling under the Privacy Act when in fact you've got more holes than a Swiss cheese; that is to me the height of arrogance. But they get their little hooks in you, and its Katy bar the door!
Backwards compatibility: As in, if I upgrade from OpenVMS 6.2 to OpenVMS 7.1 (we are talking an HP operating system here), I relink all of my software (don't even have to recompile) and IT RUNS!
When I switch from Win2K to WinXP I might have to run the compatibility manager and there is not a single shred of guarantee that my app would work even if I didn't break any Win2K rules. Gods FORBID that I should try to run a Win95 app! Absolutely no guarantee of anything running.
Security holes: Well, for one great big GOTCHA, the Windows Everyone group, by default, has FULL ACCESS to a lot of files. You know who is in the Everyone group? (Well, .... duh! EVERYONE!!!! Including ANONYMOUS LOGINS!!!!!!! ) One GOTCHA out of so many I can't count them all.
So in my mind, Bill Gates DESERVES to be punished. As much as I don't care for Linux/UNIX, I'm glad to see folks finally realizing that Bill needs the pressure put on him. This cycle of releasing new software that won't accept your old applications has GOT to stop.
I'm getting off the soap box now. I'm going to find a nice, shady tree, sip some iced tea with mint, and rest for a while.
Microsoft DESERVES to have their software pirated because of their ignorance regarding a little concept called backwards compatibility. Not to mention their ignorance regarding the (lack of) security built in to their operating systems. To think that your O/S is suitable to support issues regarding data falling under the Privacy Act when in fact you've got more holes than a Swiss cheese; that is to me the height of arrogance. But they get their little hooks in you, and its Katy bar the door!
Backwards compatibility: As in, if I upgrade from OpenVMS 6.2 to OpenVMS 7.1 (we are talking an HP operating system here), I relink all of my software (don't even have to recompile) and IT RUNS!
When I switch from Win2K to WinXP I might have to run the compatibility manager and there is not a single shred of guarantee that my app would work even if I didn't break any Win2K rules. Gods FORBID that I should try to run a Win95 app! Absolutely no guarantee of anything running.
Security holes: Well, for one great big GOTCHA, the Windows Everyone group, by default, has FULL ACCESS to a lot of files. You know who is in the Everyone group? (Well, .... duh! EVERYONE!!!! Including ANONYMOUS LOGINS!!!!!!!
) One GOTCHA out of so many I can't count them all.So in my mind, Bill Gates DESERVES to be punished. As much as I don't care for Linux/UNIX, I'm glad to see folks finally realizing that Bill needs the pressure put on him. This cycle of releasing new software that won't accept your old applications has GOT to stop.
I'm getting off the soap box now. I'm going to find a nice, shady tree, sip some iced tea with mint, and rest for a while.
