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[Thales750]

They have "hearings" in Congress to make it look like they're doing something but when it comes time to take action, they don't

Excuse me. Tell me that the Democrats are not guilty of gerrymandering with a straight face while we watch your nose grow. We have the technology to create districts using software. It has been available for at least 10 years and yet we still allow the party in power whether it be the Republicans or Democrats of trying to skew an election based on how they draw lines. That is because the Democrats AND Republicans LIKE IT THAT WAY. It gives the parties power that they would not have otherwise so there is no way it changes. They only complain about gerrymandering when the other party is controlling the lines.

How Gerrymandering Began in the US

The practice was happening before the country's founding.

www.history.com

And you are blaming the Electoral College on Trump now. Really?? Read the Federalist Papers. Understand the politics of the time. It will be quite clear to you WHY the Electoral College was chosen for the purpose of electing the President. Only the President, not any other position in government. Also, keep in mind that the Senators used to be appointed by the State Assemblies rather than national elections. Having the Senators appointed by the State Assemblies is what kept them from going rogue. They knew who they owed their allegiance to and they knew they could be replaced. With the current method of a popular vote, they owe their allegiance to their big donors. They could give a flying fig about the people who actually voted for them. They cater to the "money" rather than what their constituents actually want.

This map is the reason that the Electoral College is important. It shows that support for Trump (in this case) is widespread whereas support for Clinton (this was the 2016 map) is restricted to large population concentrations. The Electoral College mitigates the importance of the large cities and gives the rest of the country a chance.
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This map lies, in that it leaves out so much of the truth.
I can really only speak to Texas. Those blue areas in Texas represent millions of voters who voted Democrat were turned into votes for Trump. Several million votes. So its ok for MAGA folks to create a false narrative about steeling votes when the system create millions of Republican Votes.
The very first time a little more than half of the Texas voters vote Democrat the Austin boys will be shouting from the roof tops how we need to modernize the system.
I basically posted this to trigger you. I knew that you would not see the logic, as it turns out...

 

[Thales750]

Again, by saying the requests are not timely on Trumps part, you are still putting the burden back on the defense to get these documents. Yet earlier you said this:


Source: https://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/threads/verdict.331262/page-2#post-1922010

So in effect, you are saying it should be excluded (which it was not) and that the prosecution does not have a burden (which it does). You do realise that this is the opposite of what the law requires?


Until they do, to use your turn of phrase. And when they do, they have a legal burden to provide these to the defense in a timely manner, do you not agree?


I am interested to see what the appellate Klan members will do. Can they rise above their Democrat bias when the Donald is the target? I know the FBI couldn't during the Russia investigation. They kept going for years, despite there being no evidence. And neither could 51 former intelligence officials who falsly labeled Hunter Biden's laptop as Russia disinformation, despite knowing that it wasn't.


Or in other words, you do accept that I both understand and was correct in saying the burden was on the prosecution in providing those documents to the defense in a timely manner.

A defense would be a little easier if you knew what crime you were being charged for and that documents were delivered in plenty of time. None of these things happened. Can you name what crime he was charged with?

There is no doubt that this is headed for the supreme court.
They should accelerate the process so it can be done before Nov.

 

[Thales750]

And when you map it by population it looks a little different

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Exactly. Texas law is BS. We are by definition a Purple State. City dwelling Texans need to get more involve in Texas politics. If we did, there would be no more swing states, Texas would change all that.

 

[Thales750]

Austin is as blue as it gets. It is San Francisco in cowboy boots.

I was referring to the Texas Government which is seated in Austin.

 

[Thales750]

Show me the evidence. Republicans are not above stealing the vote.

I didn't say they were stolen. I said were turned into Republican Votes.
as this data shows that State is close to being 50/50 and yet all 40 electoral votes will go to the Republican candidate. It's been like that since Reagan got elected in 1980.

Texas should not be a winner-take-all state. None of them should be, but especially Texas.
Texas Electoral Votes

 

[moke123]

And you think this is good?

yes, drain the swamp.

Are you completely unaware of all of the alternate electors who have been sent to Congress in the past?

I know all about it. Do You? I'd love to hear your version of it. Do you know the differences between the Hawaii electors and Trumps?

 

[Jon]

Your almost there. Again I'll state that I'm talking in generalities as neither you nor I know the intricacies involved. These issues are extremely fact based on a case by case basis. Just because a defendant wants something it does not create an obligation for the prosecution to provide it. Generally anything the prosecution is going to use at trial must be exchanged. Same goes for the defense.

I think you have the makings of a strawman argument there. I have only ever argued that the prosecution has an obligation to provide documentation that is in their possession. And that the defense does not need to ask for it. They should get it automatically. It is part of the constitution in the 5th and 6th amendments. The prosecution were arguing that the defense was slow to ask for it, but the defense was arguing that it is not their job to chase up the prosecution.

Again, it was litigated and according to the article you provided the judge found the prosecution did not have an obligation to pursue those records on behalf of the defense, nor was SDNY required to voluntarily provide them. We don't even know the scope of the request and there are exceptions such as attorney work product that may apply. I can't tell you the reason without more information.

The Klan judge considered the 200,000 page document dump only warranted a 3 week delay to the trial.

 

[Jon]

What a surprise. More indictments of Trump Aides in Wisconsin today. Who saw that coming?

Felony Charges Filed Against Attorneys, Aide Who Worked For Trump During 2020 Campaign In Wisconsin

Trump lost Wisconsin to Biden, a Democrat, by fewer than 21,000 votes. Trump carried Wisconsin by a similar margin in 2016.

www.huffpost.com

Hmm, busy day for lawyers

Right-Wing Media Executive Charged In Massive Money-Laundering Scheme

A federal indictment accuses the media company's CFO of laundering millions in illicit funds using cryptocurrency and prepaid debit cards.

www.huffpost.com

More lawfare?

 

[Jon]

yes, drain the swamp.

Agreed, regardless of which political party. Get rid of corruption as best you can.

 

[moke123]

I have only ever argued that the prosecution has an obligation to provide documentation that is in their possession. And that the defense does not need to ask for it. They should get it automatically.

That is correct but it didn't sound like you understood the care, custody , and control issues. That's what occurs in the early stages which are then followed by a series of PTC's where discovery issues are hammered out. It's there that deadlines get set, and often extended, that leads to non compliance issues which applies to both sides. It's not a simple process.

the 200,000 page document dump

I think the biggest I've had were 2 pdfs, one was @10,000 pages and the other just over 20,000. It was the raw data of 2 facebook accounts which were generated over a weeks time. Pages were loaded top to bottom with tons of info. Thankfully out of all the data the only relevant stuff was the timestamp, the sender, the recipient(s), and the message, which in many instances were one or two words sentences. I wound up writing an app to parse that out.

More lawfare?

No. Just our institutions doing what they're supposed to.

 

[Mike Krailo]

You know what is a simple process? Indicting Hunter Biden on FARA charges. That would be simple to do, but David Wise won't do that even with a mountain of evidence to support it. If they did, it would tie Joe Biden and another certain former president into the charges as well. I guess some privileged folks are above the law and never get indicted on the charges that matter. They already chose to put their heads in the sand on that issue and it's the most important one.

 

[moke123]

You know what is a simple process? Indicting Hunter Biden on FARA charges.

Not so simple when you don't have credible evidence. Do you mean David Weiss, the trump appointed US Atty. Isn't he the one who charged Smirnov for fabricating the story that all the republicans fell for? Whatever happened with that whole impeach Biden thing? Did Comer Pyle finally give up?

 

[moke123]

I Know your a stickler for quotes, at least when it comes your messiah.
The actual quote is below and the "you" she was referring to was the audience at some conference, not congress.
Of course there were a lot of words before the quote but I guess putting it in context doesn't fit in with the false narrative.

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

An awful lot of time was spent discussing it so it's hard to believe no one knew what was in it.

■ The House held 79 bipartisan hearings and markups on the health reform bill over an entire year.

■ House members spent nearly 100 hours in hearings, listening to 181 witnesses from both parties. They considered 239 amendments, both Democratic and Republican, and accepted 121.

■ The HELP Committee, in charge of the process, held 14 bipartisan roundtables, 13 bipartisan hearings, and 20 bipartisan walkthroughs.

■ The HELP Committee considered nearly 300 amendments, and accepted more than 160 from Republicans.

■ The Finance Committee held 17 roundtables, summits, and hearings. It also held 13 member meetings and walkthroughs and 38 meetings and negotiations.

■ The Committee also held a 7-day markup of the bill -- its longest markup in in 22 years, resulting in a bipartisan 14-9 to approve.

■ That markup resulted in 41 amendments to revise the bill, including 18 by unanimous consent or without objection.

■ The Senate spent 25 consecutive days in session discussing the ACA. This was the second longest consecutive session in American history. In total, the Senate spent more than 160 hours considering the legislation.

 

[Isaac]

They say the polls indicate Virginia is in play for the election. Last time Biden won it by 11 points.
Keep convicting!

 

[Isaac]

These are the same people who believe that it is OK to drop a 3,000 page bill in congress 24 hours before the members need to vote on it. This is why we end up with such bad laws. No one knows what they are voting for or against. As Pelosi famously said about the "affordable" care act - you have to pass the bill to know what's in it.

So was I The Republicans in the Texas state government have been co opted by the artsey crowd in Austin.

I enjoy watching the state of Tx keep austin in check.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Not so simple when you don't have credible evidence.

Your trying to say that it's perfectly OK to receive money from foreign governments or entities (work on their behalf) and not report it? That 1.6 Million that Hunter pulled out of ATM's over a four year period was for keeping a seat warm on board at Burisma and not reportable? This is exactly what they do when there are real crimes, they just put their heads in the sand and say there is no evidence. The money trail doesn't lie. We're not talking one or two levels of hiding the trail, this thing goes much deeper than that. Why is it necessary to create such a twisted trail of payment accounting with such a tangled web? The actual red flags noted by involved banks absolutely noticed the fraud potetial just from the shady way the money was being moved around. If that isn't damning evidence enough to investigate further, I don't know what is. There literally no other reason for doing such a thing except for covering up the trail by way of compilated transfers in the hopes that no one notices or someone like you says there is no credible evidence.

In contrast we have such solid evidence like this one that was used for a cover up:

More than 50 former intelligence officials said emails alleged to have been found on a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden show signs of a Russian disinformation operation.

That was considered evidence by deferring to experts, and it was all a lie to do more quick cover up. Pay attention to what is actually going on.

 

[AccessBlaster]

@Isaac I was in Scottsdale for 5 days last week. had a great time!

 

[Mike Krailo]

That special cover up attorney general refuses to release those audio tapes of Bribem. Pay attention to what is going on.

 

[Isaac]

@Isaac I was in Scottsdale for 5 days last week. had a great time!

Sweet - got a taste of the bad summer weather though I bet! it's already getting too warm

 

[AccessBlaster]

Yes, release the tapes!