Trump vs Zelensky (1 Viewer)

[Mike Krailo]

Hopefully the EU will back Zelensky 100% militarily and financially, and they'll keep fighting or broker their own deal

Saying your going to back them 100% and doing it for real are two different things.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Nations used to reference this.

NATO’s position on Ukraine’s membership has often emphasized that continued anti-corruption efforts are essential for any potential accession, as it’s critical for ensuring that the country meets the alliance's democratic and institutional standards.

 

[Mike Krailo]

I agree 100% with this guy's take on the situation. If you don't have time to watch the whole thing, at least watch the last minute starting at 16:00 mark. The whole video is on point IMO.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Excellent summation.

 

[MarkK]

And what would you have done after you were lead to believe a deal was going to be signed?

If I was president of the United States of America, and cameras were rolling, I would first of all demonstrate that there is a cool and steady hand at the rudder. Job #1. No other messaging comes close in value to that one, regardless of the situation, regardless of the deal currently on the table.

You may perceive weakness, but weakness is getting your ass kicked in a never ending war IMHO.

Is your argument here that the president did not look weak because someone else, IYHO, looks weaker? Pretty low standard that the president's conduct looks strong, as long as one person in the room looks weaker.

 

[MarkK]

Hopefully the EU will back Zelensky 100% militarily and financially, and they'll keep fighting or broker their own deal.

This, because of a failure of what used to be American leadership of what used to be known as the 'Free World.'

 

[AccessBlaster]

This, because of a failure of what used to be American leadership of what used to be known as the 'Free World.'

Obama and Biden were weak, and it led to Russian aggression in Crimea and the current debacle.

 

[Isaac]

"Your gambling with World War III" said the man who's gambling with World War III and bankrupted a Casino.

Okay I'll bite I'm just curious in a raw way. What in the world is a casino and bankruptcy have to do with this situation?

I've noticed just in general life that people seem to think that the term bankruptcy is overly much a negative zinger for whatever is being discussed. Bankruptcy protection is the smartest thing you can do for many businesses. And oftentimes is the only thing that allows them to become successful again it is just a tool like every other tool

 

[Isaac]

This, because of a failure of what used to be American leadership of what used to be known as the 'Free World.'

You're saying you would rather that the United States do all the support? That that would have been more ideal?

 

[Isaac]

Obama and Biden were weak, and it led to Russian aggression in Crimea and the current debacle.

That's very true and needs to be repeated.

So Trump got a little mad at someone. I think it's going to knock zielinski into common sense and a much more willingness to stop fighting and actually try negotiating for peace.

He can't win this war. Is it ever the right time to admit that, will it never ever be?

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Okay I'll bite I'm just curious in a raw way. What in the world is a casino and bankruptcy have to do with this situation?

I've noticed just in general life that people seem to think that the term bankruptcy is overly much a negative zinger for whatever is being discussed. Bankruptcy protection is the smartest thing you can do for many businesses. And oftentimes is the only thing that allows them to become successful again it is just a tool like every other tool

He's clueless about running a business. Trump has over 500 businesses. Some make it, some don't. A gambling casino is a risky business. In Illinois, the beautiful Arlington Racecourse didn't make it. The Taj Mahal cost close to a billion dollars.

 

[Isaac]

And now finally, Europe is actually doing something

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/europe/ukraine-russia-zelensky-starmer-summit-intl/index.html

 

[DickyP]

Let's face it the only reason for Trump's behaviour in effectively supporting Putin is to give legitimacy to his intentions to invade neighbouring countries (Greenland and Panama).

 

[Cotswold]

Yesterday's farcical Ukraine summit in London

It was as I said it would be, a total waste of time. All a publicity stunt for Starmer.
Banners outside announcing the "summit" on the 2nd March in London. Only a select few of the EU leaders, so all of those excluded now asking why. The so called meeting lasted less than two hours. To discuss a conflict running for over three years! What exactly could be sorted out in two hours? In fact all of the leaders will have spent longer getting there, or having the pat me on the back free meal afterwards, than they did chatting.

Waste of time and money and as I say just another publicity stunt for Starmer.
He did say during the election that it would be country first but what he actually meant was it would be Starmer first and his promotion.
Just as it was for Tony Bliar, Starmer is preparing for when Labour is removed from power at the next election. There is doubt that he's not bothered about the damage he does to the country, with immigration, Net Zero, inflation etc. As long as he's grifted his way into benefiting by the end of it.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Is your argument here that the president did not look weak because someone else, IYHO, looks weaker? Pretty low standard that the president's conduct looks strong, as long as one person in the room looks weaker.

No one cares about pin head democrat talking points anymore. We're after results, they are after sabotage of their political opposition and like to grasp at straws of perception in hopes the public will buy their BS. So what I see here is weak pathetic democrats whining about anything and everything to do about Trump. This was a very bad decision on Z's part. Good thing that the olive branch is still there for the taking.

The latest info that was not apparent right away, or even reported on, is that Zelensky talked to democrats just prior to this signing deal. Now what did they say to him? The trader democrats would rather have a never ending war and most likely suggested they should not sign the deal. Traitors.

 

[Mike Krailo]

The whole purpose of the Oval meeting on camera was to get to an actual signing of the peace deal. So anything that goes against this purpose is no good. The peanut gallery comment about Z's lack of suit wasn't helping to close the deal. The fact that Trump and Vance allowed Z to play his sympathy card for Ukraine yet again to justify the continuation of the war should have been shut down pronto. Camera's off, I (Trump) need to speak with Z in private. Unfortunately, they let him play that sympathy card on national TV so he could just decline the deal and gain more public support for continuing the war. It should have never gotten as far as it did and that's the mistake made by the WH. Hopefully, the olive branch is still on the table and Z comes to his senses and signs the deal. I think Trump left that door open which was very smart.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Trump should give z another chance. He should invite z back to the oval and invite the media again. Trump should say are you ready to sign? Any answer but yes Trump should walk away.

 

[Cotswold]

Trump should give z another chance. He should invite z back to the oval and invite the media again. Trump should say are you ready to sign? Any answer but yes Trump should walk away.

I think that Trump has given Z enough chances. Problem is that Z appears to think he can dictate to the US and everyone else.
JDV mentioned he has never thanked anyone for the huge assistance. Then Z said thank you and in the next breath promptly asked for more.

One problem here is a lot of this stuff is given as a loan. But can or will Z pay anything back? He has been firing $800,000 rockets like confetti and we all know it something is free, you will use more than if you pay for it. So does he not intend to pay anything back?

 

[AccessBlaster]

One problem here is a lot of this stuff is given as a loan. But can or will Z pay anything back? He has been firing $800,000 rockets like confetti and we all know it something is free, you will use more than if you pay for it. So does he not intend to pay anything back?

Starmer told Trump at their meeting, the money the UK gave the Ukraine was not a loan and tried to correct Trump. When Starmer got back to London the story changed. It's clearly a loan expected to be paid back.

 

[Isaac]

The whole showing up in a tshirt, crossing his arms a lot, and bringing up things that had already been decided, and doing so in front of the cameras, was stupid on Z's part. I didn't like Vance's specific contribution, but overall I like that they are trying to hold Z to a higher standard.

Remember, a lot of people have deified Zelensky. He's no god. Previous to this war he was just an average guy and at least slightly corrupt.
The whole world has watched as 100's of 1000's of human beings have been sacrificed on the altar of "wanting to totally and decisively beat Putin". So far it couldn't be done and probably time to be open to more negotiating. Russia is a nuclear power. Trump wanting to try to bring both parties to the negotiating table - which involves placating both of them to some degree, including Putin - is very reasonable, and in fact is the only thing left to do. Security guarantees is the equivalent of saying we will go to war with Russia, which might be a pretty awful thing to do.

Neither leader is perfect. But it's time for Zelensky to be open minded to negotiating, and including his rare earth minerals. The free money can't last forever. I just looked at my paycheck, $900 in tax extracted for the Federal Government. I'm glad Trump is trying to be careful with it and extend his tax cuts, which (contrary to popular myth), don't just benefit rich people, they benefit the middle class too.

Amen. Pass the biscuits.