Recent content by Jon

Doc, I'm not sure how much of this thread you have read, but were you aware that Floyd had severe heart disease with a 90% occluded artery?

The sites Oops issue seems to have returned.

You don't have to be convinced he Od'd, that is not the standard. The standard is just that it is a reasonable possibility. What circumstances would have to be true for you to believe that he might have died of an OD? Not directly, but we are still waiting for the defences argument. However, if...

Do you mean that if someone has an overdose, they have a 1 in 5 chance of dying? What about intentional overdoses? Would that be a higher rate? I imagine so, because I guess they would be taking a larger amount. If Floyd partially ingested fentanyl to avoid detection from police, perhaps he was...

So in an imperfect world, the one we actually live in, do you therefore believe that a juror shouldn't keep an open mind until all the arguments are in? It doesn't matter if the world is perfect or not, jurors should still hear both sides. That is an assumption that you do not know the answer...

I discovered another factor that tilts my opinion towards a drug overdose being a reasonable explanation for the cause of death. His girlfriend testified that a few months prior to his death, George Floyd suffered a drug overdose and had to go to ER. I completely missed that, but picked it up...

I agree with you Pat. There is no evidence of racism at all, and the prosecution has not brought up any either. The whole BLM movement was founded on a lie. But that is ok for the founder, who now lives in a $1.4M home in a 97% white neighbourhood paid for through company funds. We haven't...

And the removal of identity politics.

I have no information on that. How many were dealing with a muscular 6'5" bouncer on meth, with a 140lb police officer as one of the restrainers? What you are talking about is a compound situation, where prone position + knee on neck > prone position. The defence argues that fentanyl + heart...

Floyd was restrained on the ground for the nine minutes, but you don't stop thinking. Split second judgements need to be made, such as what call in code for medical services, stay restraining or let up, how much pressure to use and so on. The nature of the situation is dynamic and evolving...

I find these court cases quite fascinating. The Oscar Pistorius trial had brutal cross-examination, while in the US it is much more subtle and controlled. The only problem is they suck up so much of my time that I should spend doing useful things like my big list of chores! Ultimately, if you...

Yes, I know. The prosecution are arguing this point. The defence is saying that the prone position is part of training, and that in a Canadian study with about 3,000 people put in a prone position during arrests none died. And so they argue the position is not inherently dangerous.

Indeed. I also thought he was kneeling there, looking arrogant with his hands in his pockets. I too was mistaken. And so did one of the bystanders. It shifted my initial perspective slightly, with a bit of Bayesian type thinking.

Was your point not about about failure of the safety of the individual, as stated below? If someone dies of a drug overdose, can they be kept safe? I think it is THE point. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. I've watched the raw footage, although...

I think most people here think Chauvin is guilty, while I believe there is reasonable doubt. Then again I thought OJ was innocent, yet most here think he was guilty. But with the OJ trial, I agree with the jury! Maybe the jury in this case will come to the same conclusion as me. :unsure: