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Sorry I solved the insert issue by adding a foreign key constraint and a auto increment that I had though I had done already but clearly I hadn't Acces needs more verbose errors

its probably the session lock thing as at this point the cronological differance is days (also thank you for the assitance) how would iu fix the problem then if it is the locking issue

The Dreaded The Microsft Access database enigine stopped the proccres because you and another user are attempting to change the same data at the same time has happened to me and i cant seem to fix it I had a database stored in acces that i exported to a uwamp server via odbc unicode driver...