Nigel, That's true but think how many people still don't know about holding the shift key to bypass the AutoExex/Open Form. In any event, I use it because it is better behaved than an .accde. Doing certing actions such as importing or exporting a spreadsheet will cause the navigation pane to appear even though it is supposed to be hidden and no code that I have come up with or found with a web search can shut it back down again. This doesn't happen with an .accdr since it never shows the nav pane under any circumstances.