Are you an atheist? (2 Viewers)

[BlueIshDan]

I am sorry that I don't base my judgements on the different political groups and other things that affect what makes what possible.

I guess that is what is so great about my youth. I can think freely and assume that these peaceful solutions, that make perfect sense to me, can be accomplished.

I can only hope that others in my generation, and the ones to come, can think for peace and be able to act when needed to reserve regain and create fairness.

Isn't that what they say about youth? We dream of a better future and, ultimately, we are the future?

 

[Bladerunner]

Under Obamacare I was quoted approx $4200 a year for Platinum grade insurance for a family of three. $600 a year for Bronze grade.

Either you have one heck of an income/policy or your making things up.

Again, WHY, because it does not fit your world view, do you and others allow that I am lying. My insurance policy was a good one with a low deductible of about $500. Look at your deductible. If you do not have a deductable, then you are one of the those that are being subsidized by some of my tax dollars. If you do, you will find the deductible is probably higher than the premium. About 7 million of those 30 million that did not have insurance now have Obamacare. Oh, I know the government figures are around 15 million but they also told you you could keep your old plan or your doctor, etc An then what about the people (middle class) that lost their insurance to find it so high because of their income, that they cannot afford it.

Now if you want to discuss the healthcare of the poor, I could fill you in or just go to a MEdicaid site because that is where 90% of those poor that had no insurance went. A sub-standard insurance plan. Is this what we really want for the poor. Evidently it is, it is what the liberals and /or democrats pushed down our throats. You decide here too!

 

[Bladerunner]

I am sorry that I don't base my judgements on the different political groups and other things that affect what makes what possible.

I guess that is what is so great about my youth. I can think freely and assume that these peaceful solutions, that make perfect sense to me, can be accomplished.

I can only hope that others in my generation, and the ones to come, can think for peace and be able to act when needed to reserve regain and create fairness.

Isn't that what they say about youth? We dream of a better future and, ultimately, we are the future?

Ah to be young again>>>>>>.lol,,, Yes, even in my youth, had problems with the so-called 'establishments'. Their rules did not apply to me. However, once it starts affecting your pocketbook, you start changing your mind. Now, if your rich, you can afford to be liberal forever. However, if you are raising kids, and your paycheck is affected by the decreasing jobs available (attributed a lot to Obamacare) these days, you will start looking at things from a different perspective. On, the other hand if you are single, you probably have not been hurt by the jobs problems because you can up and move to the jobs,,,,,etc.

The bottom line depending upon how laws affect you and your beliefs, will determine your thinking and the older you get, the more you acquire, the more you pay for these programs, the more your mindset changes.

It has nothing to do with you personally.

Have a good day

 

[dan-cat]

Again, WHY, because it does not fit your world view, do you and others allow that I am lying.

I'm suspicious because Tennessee Obamacare rates are actually below the national average. Link

Did that $8000 quote come from the Tennessee Health Exchange?

I'm self-employed, so-so middle class and Obamacare has made health coverage doable for me and my family. My wife is also no longer shut out due to the abolition of the pre-existing condition clause.

I'm genuinely interested on how your results are so wildly different.

EDIT: Here is the policy for the Platinum plan $500 deductible. Link

 

[dan-cat]

Hope this helps, I mean no disrespect to anyone.

Not linking to sites that sell Rudolf Hess merchandise would be a good start.

 

[Bladerunner]

I'm suspicious because Tennessee Obamacare rates are actually below the national average. Link

Did that $8000 quote come from the Tennessee Health Exchange?

I'm self-employed, so-so middle class and Obamacare has made health coverage doable for me and my family. My wife is also no longer shut out due to the abolition of the pre-existing condition clause.

I'm genuinely interested on how your results are so wildly different.

Pre-existing conditions if one thing I agree with should have been put into law a long time ago.

No, I have not even tried to get Obamacare. My insurance company increased my rates at the beginning when Obamacare first started.

I am glad it fits you. You are one of the lucky ones. Keep in mind that the new rates will be even higher for some.

 

[Bladerunner]

p.s. dan-cat:

I found another way to get insurance for myself but am told now that in 2015, that will be cut out in order to force me to get ObamaCare. Go figure.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Not linking to sites that sell Rudolf Hess merchandise would be a good start.

Surely you weren't surprised?

 

[BlueIshDan]

Ah to be young again>>>>>>.lol,,, Yes, even in my youth, had problems with the so-called 'establishments'. Their rules did not apply to me. However, once it starts affecting your pocketbook, you start changing your mind. Now, if your rich, you can afford to be liberal forever. However, if you are raising kids, and your paycheck is affected by the decreasing jobs available (attributed a lot to Obamacare) these days, you will start looking at things from a different perspective. On, the other hand if you are single, you probably have not been hurt by the jobs problems because you can up and move to the jobs,,,,,etc.

The bottom line depending upon how laws affect you and your beliefs, will determine your thinking and the older you get, the more you acquire, the more you pay for these programs, the more your mindset changes.

It has nothing to do with you personally.

Have a good day

I'm actually Canadian. We have "Free" healthcare to a certain extent.

If you're wondering. I grew up poor and am now Employed with a higher salary than I should have and find myself with $0 after rent, car and food. If I were to be hit with the need for medication or cancer treatments I would be living in my mothers basement and feeding off of her $10/h job.

With that said, I think I am affected by all of what you say, but I still think outside of the limitations and wish for what I explained in my previous post.

I didn't take anything personally. lol
I was just expressing my thought of the difference of how we thought.

 

[dan-cat]

No, I have not even tried to get Obamacare. My insurance company increased my rates at the beginning when Obamacare first started.

Blade, can you possibly fathom how frustrating this response is?!?

You bitch about Obamacare and haven't even bothered to research it. Go research it now, with the subsidy system you may well end up paying less than your previous $4000.

It was your insurance company that chose not to adapt to the times. Go find one that has. There are plenty, at least in KY anyway.

 

[Bladerunner]

Originally Posted by BlueIshDan: I can only hope that others in my generation, and the ones to come, can think for peace and be able to act when needed to reserve regain and create fairness.

Isn't that what they say about youth? We dream of a better future and, ultimately, we are the future?

When I was young , I was in the middle of a war. One that many people just kept saying "Just Give Peace a Chance". Unfortunately the world does not work like that or so far it has not. In the 1980s, we tore down the cold-war wall. There was Peace in Europe not known since WWII. Then war rears its ugly head and begins again in Africa, Middle east, and other places. What do you do, sit by and watch the people being slaughtered (like we are doing these days)? You tell me. You can not have both.

Canada is a friend we have stuck with for many a year. I have some friends down here that tell me horror stories about the healthcare up there which makes me think of the growing problems is here in the USA. The increased liberal thinking people with a lot of help from those very rich (Sorros, Warren, Gates, etc.) who are trying to steer the US into those very tar pits that you have up there. Why would they do this, you ask? They don't do any thing unless it involves money and /or power. If they can convince a specific section of the masses that Utopia is attainable, they will rake in millions in the end and rule the a larger part of the world. What better subjects are there to use to convince these masses to act without regard to the consequences in the future. Consequences that show up years later when it is too late to chose a different road.: "Help the poor" "save the Children", "feed the masses", "Cheaper Energy", Better Water", " Don't worry the Government will support you" , etc...etc.......

In the end , after many a year on this earth, I have found these feel good ideas do not work and only serve to make it even harder on specific masses to make a living. Which is why I am against it. I keep trying but you know the old saying: "You can take a horse to water but you can not make him drink".


Have a great day.

 

[BlueIshDan]

You're saying that you're shut down by the people who do evil and mask it with good... If that's all it takes to break your will then I pity you.

If they're good at doing bad things for trillions of dollars why can't you be just as great at doing good things for the welfare of billions of people. These people go into great depths of preparation in order to gain their position and power. I believe that with an equal amount of effort we can do the same but for a different purpose.

Maybe most of us simply fall into the place of which these people want us to fall into. Sit back and do what you can for #1(you). While we control every aspect of your life and give you JUST enough to get by and say "Hey, I'm barely getting by. I don't have time to worry about the others." Sounds like a great way to control risk(us) to me.

You can sit there and try to remind me or put your ways on me, but I wont simply accept what you've grown to accept. Sorry.

 

[Bladerunner]

You're saying that you're shut down by the people who do evil and mask it with good... If that's all it takes to break your will then I pity you.

If they're good at doing bad things for trillions of dollars why can't you be just as great at doing good things for the welfare of billions of people. These people go into great depths of preparation in order to gain their position and power. I believe that with an equal amount of effort we can do the same but for a different purpose.

Maybe most of us simply fall into the place of which these people want us to fall into. Sit back and do what you can for #1(you). While we control every aspect of your life and give you JUST enough to get by and say "Hey, I'm barely getting by. I don't have time to worry about the others." Sounds like a great way to control risk(us) to me.

You can sit there and try to remind me or put your ways on me, but I wont simply accept what you've grown to accept. Sorry.

OK, I respect your opinion, sorry, I could not convince you of what I believe to be true. I will not be around thirty years from now to hear your take on the subject then. Personally, I and about 57% of the American population believe this nation is going in the wrong direction. However, the bottom line is: irregardless of whether you are right or I am right, we (conservatives and liberals in the USA) are going down this path together. One side is going to be right and one side is going to be wrong. Europe is going to get there before we do. I just hope it does not tear either country in-half getting there.

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade, can you possibly fathom how frustrating this response is?!?

You bitch about Obamacare and haven't even bothered to research it. Go research it now, with the subsidy system you may well end up paying less than your previous $4000.

It was your insurance company that chose not to adapt to the times. Go find one that has. There are plenty, at least in KY anyway.

like I said, Dan-cat, I h=found another way for insurance but even that will be taken away from me by Obamacare in order to force me to get on ObamaCare. That is all I am saying. Obamacare was set up as a one payer system, The gov. which is paid for by my increased taxes. Also the penalties, for employers who do not furnish Obamacare to their empoyees, cost these people (some of them ) their jobs. Thes people get on welfare, food stamps, etc....... ;(There was one lady that after all was said and done was making around $80,000 for doing nothing). Why would they want to go back to work? now this lowers the workforce and the collected taxes. This facilitates raising those taxes. Pretty soon, if if I am middle class, I can make more on welfare than by working.The businesses get hit by higher taxes and finally they close down. Now those 10-20 employees have no job and are forced to go on welfare. And the Cry went out to all in the nation: Why should I work??????
Then where will the taxes that pays the bills come from. then my friend you have complete ANARCHY?

WE have see this happen in many cases throughout history. As MR. Gruber stated, the American people are just too stupid to realize Obamacare would have never passed if they had know it was full of these taxes.

The above scenario is just the tip of the ice burg. If you are on Obamacare and are happy with it, I am glad for you but you are but one of few of the 350 million Americans that stand to lose everything because of this liberal ideology.

The saying is "When Obamacare runs out of my money, what is it going to do?" It is all down the road and luckily I will probably but for the Grace of Jesus, not be there/


Have a good day!

 

[ConnorGiles]

I kind of think the Government should be completely separated from religion OR they should separate religious concerns from others. There is a place for religion and there is a place for education. No need to mix in my opinion. They can surely manage to create a place for religion for their people outside of schools.

Exactly My View Dan, Religion shouldn't be forced on younger impressionable people as they will always follow what is taught - Not learnt. If you were older and found religion on your own then I fully accept this, but having it pushed upon you as a child as was tried with me just is not acceptable in my opinion. (Before Bladerunner or anyone says that the people who find religion later more likely than not turn into fanatics, That is a very small minority and were most probably nut jobs before hand )

(Subway topic) Businesses should accommodate for the different religious preferences. With that said, businesses will obviously make the decision that appeases the majority of their consumers / customers. Unless it can be forced down our throats (Net Neutrality Happenings... )

Also, people should accept the fact that their religion is theirs. It is not a kingdom, not a cult, etc. It is a personal connection to your God or way of being that you believe in.
Sure maybe you're a part of a religion that has many people following it. This does not mean that you're the one and only and all others shall fall or all others are wrong and idiotic.

People are just plain crazy.. geez.

Sorry blade for what you call one of my ridiculous rants, but my thoughts are just as valid as yours.

I do agree with you BlueIshDan, Religion should be a personal connection. I Indeed am not religious in any way shape or form, But if I was religious I would personally not care what anyone else believes in because it would not matter to me

I am of course assuming you are slightly religious, but you are one the kind of religious people I do not mind conversing with in religious debates

I also do not mind talking to the people who quote religion in every sentence, but they do make it hard to debate with when they throw down bible passages like they can prove its fact

 

[ConnorGiles]

Check out the latest polls, not newspaper or blogs but polls out there.

If it does not matter, then why do they want it taken off the coin? Does not make any sense except to get rid of any mention of Christianity in this country. They want to destroy Christianity.

Marriage under God is a personal preference and I have no problem with that. It all comes down to ONE decision and you have to make it.

I think you are taking what's going on way to personally Bladerunner, Just because we want it removed doesn't mean we are going to put another god onto the coin? It would only Neutralise the statement. Sort of like when a parent says "If you cant agree none of you can have it".

About the marriage part, That my friend would be because you are a Christian. Marriage under god really isn't necessary, Hopefully one day when I do marry my other half I would like to think its the statement marriage creates. That you will be seen as husband and wife and will be seen as a pair from hence forth. (Plus women like the big ceremonies and so forth, as much as it hurts our pockets I would do anything for her )

 

[ConnorGiles]

So we change America for all those that came here with different beliefs. Do you need to change the UK so the Muslims community can feel more at home? Maybe . give them Sheria Law that supercedes your written laws? Or maybe just a few changes at a time makes everybody feel better but in the end it still results in the same scenario. Chaos.

Well, I guess what is happening is inevitable. the bible tells us that in the end of days, the Christians will be persecuted in lands. This I fear is just the beginning.

We live in an ever changing world my friend, if it never changed we would still be living in caves, hunting for food etc.....

I do think you have some grudges to sort out with liberals and Islamic religion, because they seem to be the only problems you quote of.

Most people I have met from an Islamic background are actually very nice and caring people. Liberals just have different views to yourself (everyone is entitled to an opinion)

Although I can tell your motives are noble, (from what I have read) You seem hell bent on saving Christianity when BlueIshDan has already proclaimed that it is your own personal connection that matters not anyone else's.

I think we need to sit you down with some liberals and Islamic people that have not been in the news for bad experiences or crimes , you know the nice ones!

I'm sure your opinion would change.

The end of days is certainly not upon us...

 

[Frothingslosh]

I do get a big laugh out of how nearly 70% of the US identifies as Christian, and yet they constantly scream that they're being fed to the lions because some people don't want to say 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance or because they can't begin every school day with a mandatory prayer.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Hey FrothingSlosh - Hows the other side of the Atlantic? Still cold and snowy?

I think we are due some snow, it seems to have gone terribly cold (we always seem to get the backlash of weather from there )

On current matters, yes it is quite amusing.

But what I find even funnier is the fact people feel the need to make a big deal about things, (relating to your comment) They can start the day with a prayer at home, They can still say the "Under God" part to the pledge of allegiance if they do so wish. People are just fighting for the right to be able to miss that part out

 

[Frothingslosh]

I live in Michigan. Asking if it's still cold and snowy is like asking if water is wet.